Robert Confronts Edith | Downton Abbey
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- Robert cannot bear listening to Edith lie to him anymore, and so decides to confront her about Marigold. Much to Edith's surprise, her Papa is delighted to have another Granddaughter but believes it is best to continue keeping this secret within the family in order to protect them both from scrutiny.
Season 5 Episode 9 ”A Moorland Holiday”: Lord and Lady Sinderby invite the Granthams to the country estate they have hired for driven grouse shooting. Elsewhere, Violet reunites Prince Kuragin and his estranged wife. Robert tells Edith that he knows Marigold is her legitimate daughter but will continue to keep the secret within the family to protect them both from scrutiny. Later, Isobel declines Lord Merton's marriage proposal, as she does not want to come between him and his sons. Finally, Anna is released on bail and a big Christmas party is held for the Downton household, which is the perfect send-off for Tom and Sybbie.
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“I need your forgiveness quite as much as you need mine.” If all fathers could admit this to their daughters in difficult situations like this, this world would be a far more pleasant one.
I love your comment. It is so true, so much hurt is healed by a simple request for forgiveness or acknowledgment of needing forgiveness.
That was such a touching moment: Edith finally having support from both parents after feeling so neglected!
Marina Ka-Fai they really left it too late to appreciate her. When Bertie's mom praises her and Cora says "I've been waiting for someone to work that out" I was so angry. Much of Edith's misery has been caused by her parents never giving her the respect and attention they gave Mary and Sybil. If you don't value your child, why should anyone else? That's why everyone else disregarded Edith too. The two men who loved her were both outsiders and not privy to her family's treatment of her. They saw who Edith really is.
@@inayatahmed5828 Edith once told Cora in season 1 she never told her she was proud of her. That was just so sad!
Marina Ka-Fai you're right. After Sybil's London presentation I think. It made me feel awful. I admire Edith all the more for turning out strong and successful inspite of such a family because many people would simply be crushed in the same situation.
@@inayatahmed5828 Besides, just look at how they dealt with grief between one another! When Sybil died, everyone tried to cheer each other up and both Edith and Mary were kind and sisterly to a devastated Tom. Edith took care of her mother while Mary tried to help her father. When Matthew died, everyone was super careful around Mary (and rightfully so!), Edith tried to hide her romance with Gregson from her sister so she would not hurt her, she basically walked on eggshells. What do they do when Edith learns Gregson died after being missing for a year? They leave her, going on a picnic because it was planned and no one even berates Mary for how she speaks to Edith because Edith complained of a lack of sensitivity on her part, making Mary comments she hopes she doesn't attend because she always ruins everything.
Marina Ka-Fai omg I was so mad at all of them for that!!! It was disgusting. She is part of the family. She has lost the man she loved in a brutal way and they cannot even support her in her grief. That's dreadful. But Mary's behavioral was the very nastiest as usual and the family's lack of response was appalling. Atleast Cora should have stayed back with Edith. It was unthinkable that they rushed off to a picnic!
This is really my one favorite Robert moments in the whole show. He finally realities how ignored and alone Edith felt and apologizes for it.
What makes it even better is that he really did change. He became extremely supportive of her newspaper and cried tears of joy when he saw her in a wedding dress.
Golden Rose Even better was the fact that he was legitimately upset when Bertie and Edith called their engagement off originally. He knew Bertie was Edith’s match and couldn’t bear the fact that his only other living child was ruining it all.
Spencer Carruth he was overjoyed she would outrank even him. That’s the ultimate gift for a parent that your child surpasses you and what’s more he knows she’s been so overlooked so much
To be fair you really do have to wonder how much of those "tears of joy" stemmed from the social rank of her husband to be.
He even admits as much to a degree when he learns of his change in fortune.
He really did become pro-Edith after that lol even said he admired her.
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Edith looks lovely with her hair down.
Cassidy Faith so fluffy and curly ❤️
Like Claudia in the Interview with the vampire.
I feel the same
I thought so too
I remember my great-grandmother, that before going to bed removed the clips and hair down. It was funny.
Laura Carmichael's natural prettiness is on display here; you can appreciate how much effort the makeup artists, hairstylists, and costumers put in to keep Edith looking like the plain sister.
She is lovely with curly blonde hair
She's soo lovely
When Robert says even in 1924 people there are plenty of people who might be unpleasant it hit me so hard as even a century later in 2024 there are still people who are unpleasant
For those who think Edith acted selfishly with regards to the Schroeders and Drewes, of course she did. But the tremble in her voice when she said "I can't give her up" - this is a mother speaking, a mother who loves her baby, who never should have had to be parted from her for a minute. Excellent acting, excellent writing! And I'm so proud of Robert here. A long-deserved moment between father and long-neglected daughter.
She brought to mind some real life situations I've known with people trying to adopt a relative's kid while the parent is unable to take them...and then the parent deciding to take the kid back after an amount of time.
Except, how is Marigold going to grow up, now? What about what's best for her? If they tell her who her mother is as a child, she'll be burdened to keep this secret while the other kids get to openly talk about who their parents are. If they never tell her, she'll never understand her place at Downton. If they tell her as an adult, her entire concept of who she is will be ripped away. It's not fair to her, even if Edith feels bad about it. She'll feel a lot worse about it if Marigold lashes out at her when she learns the truth. Not to mention the turbulence in her early childhood where she is constantly ripped away from families.
@@pandakatiefominz yes I think Marigold will definitely remember Mrs Drewe and the house with kids and have some psychological issues. They could have worked it out in a way that would have been less traumatic for Marigold for sure
@@pandakatiefominz I agree that Julian Fellowes could have written her story so differently - there could have been drama with any other Downton character, but Edith and Marigold (and Michael Gregson) could have had such a lovely little happy ending!
"... this is a mother speaking, a mother who loves her baby, who never should have had to be parted from her for a minute...."
Maybe today, but a hundred years ago, there's no way she would have ever been allowed to keep her illegitimate child at the Abbey. Edith knew the social rules of the day and she broke them. She then would get mouthy and angry whenever anyone suggested something that she didn't personally want to hear. No matter how much her parents might have loved her, the aristocracy's whole existence was based on heredity and legitimacy. An illegitimate child would have destroyed the entire family's reputation and all of the Crawley's would have been social outcasts. It just would not have ever happened.
You guys. The fact that Edith is on the defensive about it tells you how she was raised. Immediately she asks for his forgiveness.
@Martin Dennis Hey Martin, thanks for your response. I just want to point out that every time Mary does something wrong, she does not get punished for it. Tryst with Mr. Pamuk? Hotel holiday with Lord Gillingham? You remember Rita? Mr. Bates' ex-wife who tried to bring her entire family to ruin by exposing her scandal? Yeah. No favouritism there.
Well, of course! Having a child out of wedlock was absolutely unacceptable, even in lower classes, but for someone of Edith's rank, it meant social ruin. And it would also affect her family's reputation, and the opportunities for any other children Edith might have.
@@seithdaniel9013 They couldn't openly "punish" the girls because all of these scandals had to be kept tight secrets. If word ever got outside the family, the family's reputation in society would be ruined.
Even if were she not the neglected child, this is still something that should warrant forgiveness. Having a child out of wedlock as a woman even in the 1910s-20s is still something highly scandalous and improper. Even today a single mother deals with some negative implications (teen pregnancy, divorce, prostitution, etc that people would assume because its not the 'nuclear' family that is the ideal).
And when Mary got confronted by her father about Pamuk, she also was afraid her father wouldn't forgive her. She made her mother implicit in the secret because she knew her father would blow up. Might even have disowned her. Because she also believed as a girl and not the male heir, she is less important and thus more likely to be cast off for her scandal. When confronted she also was more resigned and sad than anything, by that point it had been a few years since Pamuk and she wasn't as scared as she was when it was fresh. But even she expected some blow back from her father. She expected her father to encourage her to go into sham marriage to keep the scandal hidden at her expense to be married to a man who blackmails her. she thought he wouldn't take her side.
Both girls have their own mistakes and they both had to deal with it and both expected their father to have some blow back. But of course, there is more immediate tenderness to Mary cos she had been the eldest and of course its a bit unfair on Edith that she expected less love and affection from her father. Even so, the point remains that both girls had equal treatment by their father equal and quite unexpectedly and atypical of aristocratic fathers of the time.
@@seithdaniel9013Edith never got punished by her parents for anything either.
She wrote to the Turkish Embassy to sell out her own sister, what repercussions did she face from Robert or Cora? No Mary shouldn't have been that stupid but Edith should not have written either.
She had a child out of wedlock, and was very much part of trying to avoid that scandal, it wasn't all on Rosamund or Violet, Edith also agreed to it before realising their plans simply couldn't work.
The only real consequences Mary and Edith faced were from each other by and large, not their parents, which in the way they grew up in that echelon of society at the time wouldn't really have been their job unless it was done in front of them, it would have been the job of the governess/nanny most of the time.
Edith's hair is SO gorgeous. Even in the other scenes where it's pinned up, it's just such a breathtaking, shimmering, golden color.
The actress who plays Edith is just lovely and I love the way she reacts as if the weight of the world is just a lifted off of her shoulders because this was one of her main fears. Her father not accepting her mistakes or her daughter Robert finally does something nice for Edith
I know her in real life. She’s a gorgeous soul inside and out
Edith's parents came around in the end. I had expected long ago after Sybil died that they would start to cherish the two daughters left. But Edith was still neglected and abandoned. She did fine in the end.
I was so very happy that Edith found her true love, but honestly, I would also like to have seen her come into her own as a businesswoman, and an independent single mother. However, I understand that idea was way before its time.
According to Burke's Peerage Limited Edith's title of Marchioness of Hexham, after her marriage to Herbert Pelham, was better than her father's and the rest of the family
@@cellpat7392 I still crack up at the scene when Edith is telling her family that Bertie is the new Marquess, and Robert says that Edith would outrank them all, and Mary glares at Edith like,Oh,HELL NO,😂😂😂
Nina tbh I was expecting a storyline like that too. But I loved the ending they actually wrote for her. They gave her the modern business woman story as well as her happy ending with her prince (or marquess at least!). I think Edith would always be insecure about not being wanted by any man if she remained unmarried and she would not be completely happy without it. Plus this way she got her come uppance against Mary😆
Nina I love Edith and Mary needed to learn to be kind to her sister. Mary is so childish and immature in her selfishness.
I always rooted for Edith to overcome all the obstacles life put in front of her. This touching scene shows to all the difficulties of an out of wedlock pregnancy and how the 20's morality made the problem more difficult for the family. This is one of about 10 scenes that made this series so memorable.
She makes me think of the youngest child even though she is supposed to be the middle sister.
Hugh Bonneville is just splendid as the head of the Downtown Abbey.
He’s so handsome, but I always was surprised they didn’t address his kissing the maid, unless they did in the movie sequels.
@@carrie-leehurzeler7413 I guess that his family never found out.
This scene is played with excellence by Laura Carmichael. All her emotions (and there are many in this scene: surprise, shame, fear, determination, mother love, faith in her lover, respect for her father, and finally relief and joy) are played thoroughly with her eyes. It is simply incredible! I have been watching it again and again in amazement! Bravo Laura Carmichael! You are an amazing actress and I am looking forward to watching your next movies. :)
Caroline von Ehrenberg Laura did a brilliant job portraying Edith! Especially since she is nothing like Edith in real life. Edith's storylines were very intense and complicated and Laura was perfect in her scenes.
@@inayatahmed5828 Indeeed, she is wonderful.
I think her very best scene was in Series 6, Episode 8 (next to last episode) when she tells Mary off and heads to London..
Out of all the actors on the show, Miss Carmichael improved the most over the series development. She ended up being one of the strongest actors on the show!
Fathers are always a blessing in a daughter's life.I miss my Dad.😔
Not always...
My situation was a little different, but when I became pregnant unexpectedly with my daughter two years ago, my folks were thrilled regardless. Unmarried at the time, I was mortified when telling my folks as I had every intention of having children after getting married. However, they were thrilled at the news of their first granddaughter and my mama said, “There are far more worse things in this life than a baby.” And speaking from a place of love and grace, she was right. Our sweet Caroline was born 5 months after the wedding. I’m glad Robert had that same grace and acceptance for Edith. ❤️❤️
This is probably the Most Underrated scene in the entire series. It shows Lady Edith in her Most Vulnerable moment. It was monstrous enough to have her Grandmother and Mother discover her secret about Marigold. Now to face her shame in front of her Father. In this scene she is a Little Girl. Who's run away from her governess because she broke a lamp/window or worse. Facing her father in this moment speaks to her Strength and Courage of spirit. 💖 In walks Lord Grantham. Not the stout Lord of the realm, but a Loving, caring and devoted father. A forgiving father. He speaks of his dismay but in a way that is Honest and Kind. 💜
I agree. I also like the fact that the writers didn’t make Lord Grantham the fool who doesn’t know what is going on in his own house. Sooner or later he always finds out everything. No matter how hard you try to keep Lord Grantham in the dark. He observes. He listens. He figures it out, confronts the matter head on in a loving way and then moves forward. I think that the Great War and its aftermath had a significant impact. I agree that the scene is very powerful. I had to fight back tears 😭
@@phalynwilliams4119 You're not the only one. 😢 It was at this moment that Lady Edith felt like she was valued and loved by her father.. Something she's been desperately needing all of her life. Despite her trials and tribulations, Lady Edith rose from the ashes like a Phoenix 🔥. Michael Gregson's death was both a tragedy and a triumph for Lady Edith. Through his Love for her she inherited his business and home in London. She then transformed the magazine into a modern day publication for women, by women. Unheard of even by today's standards.
"Even in 1924 there might be plenty of people who are unforgiving" sadly it seems this will always be the case
Eliza Clark unpleasant
Eliza Clark
we still have horrible people in 2020
@@lo7381 There will always be horrible people. Today we criticize a man or woman dating someone several decades younger. Especially if it's a 65-year-old man dating a 20-year-old woman. In 50 years, we may see it as natural and call it "love."
barchetta575m in that case I think most people would find that age gap problematic... and would rightly be so.
@@barchetta575m I am no where near 65 and I have nothing in common with a 20 year old. I could ask them something like, where were you on Sept 11, 2001? Erm an infant, not even conceieved. Nothing in common
Edith's hair is gorgeous! 💕👑
Edith finally getting the love approval and acceptance her sisters had 😊
This was a very touching scene. Just loved it. Robert indeed love all his girls and understood his own shortcomings.
Nancy Wilcocks exactly so accepting considering when it was!
I remember that Lord Grantham once described himself as a steward of the estate. Not the owner but the steward. In his grandness, he also has a humility that helps him to navigate 🧭 through situations and better understand others.
Poor Edith. She went through hell to hide Marigold, and hurt Mrs Drew in the process, and after all that both her parents were supportive after all. So much of that pain could have been avoided if she had told her mother at the beginning rather than Rosamond being the first to find out.
Rosamond was such a cat.
Mrs Drew must have known a parent of Marigold might well come for her. Her husband went through much more as he was hiding the truth from his wife.
"You never know what's coming, do you?"
That's so true and something the Crawleys have learned the hard way after losing Sybil and Matthew. You don't want to regret the last conversation you had or didn't have with someone you love.
I never get bored or tired of this show. They all performed excellent in my opinion. I believe that is what make this show special.
Finally Edith gets the love and support from her parents that she deserves
Edith storyline and growth was the best in the series
This was one of the best scenes in Downton Abbey that is a father character asking for forgiveness that is a true man a true father
I’m crying for how caring this scene is 🥺
Edith was such a sad and great character on this show and I always wanted more for her.
What is so comforting about this Series is seeing genuine love & understated understanding rather than the perpetual ridiculous disclosures of immature self righteous or self promoting individuals ... Less is truly often more & allows people to continue their lives with a comfortable feeling of security .
I always loved this scene. The love between father and daughter is wonderful.
That's just one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. I remember in my 20s when I got a tattoo, I kept it hidden from my parents, I knew they wouldn't like it. One day my mom walked in while I was changing, and saw it -- and instead of blowing up, she said "wow, I always wanted one of those." That mixture of shock, relief, happiness, and -- acceptance that I felt, is exactly what Edith showed all over her face. Laura Carmichael played that scene beautifully.
Edith is my favorite.She is a beautiful young lady,but always lost at everything though no fault of her own.I actually cheered for her when she found true love and everything worked out for her so well in the end.She was well overdue for Tre happiness
Actually, when she nearly lost Bertie, it was completely her fault. She should have told him about Marigold before things got too serious.
@@flyboy152 No, that was Mary's fault.
@@Furienna Wrong. Mary spilled the beans, but if Edith had been honest with Bertie from the start there probably wouldn't have been an issue.
@@flyboy152 I don't believe that you realize how shameful it was to be an unwed mother in the 1920s.
Even so, it is my belief that Edith would have told Bertie the truth about Marigold before they got married.
And no matter what, Mary had no right at all to spill the beans.
She only did it because she couldn't let Edith be happy as long as she had issues with Henry.
@@flyboy152Wrong, she had every intention of telling him, she had already spoken with her mother and told her mother what her plan was but Mary the b**** monster had to rear her ugly venomous head and ruin her little sister out of jealousy.
These are two beautiful scenes, so well acted!
IMHO, this was arguably the most well-acted and heartwarming scene in the entire series, or, the feature film!!
He calls his stomach tummy. Hahaha.
They get squeamish when it comes to matters of the body, especially women's bodies.
Jonathan Reyes I think Robert projects his own discomfort onto others. Recall when Dr. Clarkson was concerned about Lady Sybil’s urine sample; Robert admonished Clarkson for saying “urine” in front of the ladies, but Violet had no problem.
@@davidthaler7018 - That's true. And Violet watched that procedure where Clarkson drained the farmer's heart.
Tummy is still a very common word in England. Even doctors still say tummy 😂 we’re stuck in our weird ways
@@XxPhoenix14741xX I love that.
You can literally feel the weight being lifted off of Edith in that moment.
One of my top three favorite scenes. Just the best.
Edith looks even more lovely with her hair down.
I love this scene just as much as when Robert found out about Mary and Mr Pamuk
That actress is great. You can see the terror in her eyes as she realizes the conversation she's about to have.
Edith’s hair is breathtaking
"for his sake, as well as your's"....Edith's face...gosh right in the feels
I miss Downton Abbey.
Lord Grantham shows grace and humility
I smile as Robert refers to his stomach as his "tummy". Sweet.
My father was a fair man in the modern days 1984 (when I was... about, maybe younger... Edith's age in the show), but in 1924 there was still shame brought to families with children conceived out of wedlock. I would like to think had I been in Edith's shoes in the more modern days, it would have been the same response from my father. Times changed after the early 80s...
Both of my grandmother's were pregnant when they married their husbands. it was a shotgun wedding for my paternal grandparents via grandpa's mother.
watching this clip made me realize just how long it's been since i heard a clock ticking...
It's always good to know your daddy loves you.
As an acting coach, Laura's performance here is perfect. Like her character, she is very underrated
I feel like the actress did an amazing job of expressing multiple emotions at one time. My other favorite is when Bertie propose to Edith again at the restaurant and she mixed with happiness, flattery but also unsure of the situation and doubts of wether it would work out. She has the best facial expressions in my opinion in the series.
This scene and the one where he talks to Mary about the diplomat who did not die in his own bed are truly some of his best moments ❤️
What a beautiful scene. As a father should love his baby girl. Lord Grantham did well here!
I felt Edith had one of the harder character journey's dealing with the pressures of high society and being a single mother, terrified of embarrassment and losing her families love out of scandal. The fear consumed her for so long so it was a great relief to see her finally get the comfort she needed from both her parents.
I think he was a lot more understanding and kind because of who Sybil married and the fact she died. Otherwise he would have hit the roof.
No one will always accompany you, but there will always be someone around you.😊🧡
I grew up closeted gay in a household that despised gays. It would have been so immensely healing and powerful for me to have had something like this happen. But it never did.
All the comments are about Robert and Edith and I do agree with all of them but can we please have some appreciation for the scene between Robert and Cora at the beginning? 🥺 They have been through so much together. I just love them so much and this scene is so touching ❤️
Yes. Robert and Cora’s scenes are wonderful to watch too.
Can we acknowledge how gorgeous Edith’s hair is 😍
Even though this is a tv show, it just goes to show that those huge fears of disapproval from those who we love and family are many times just stirred up in our heads as huge obstacles. Parents love us and have grace and forgiveness and acceptance beyond our wildest dreams. Poor Edith thought that she could not tell her family, it being in the twenties. But she feared her sister's reactions even more. Mary was an over bearing prig when it came to Edith.
Amazing scene with edith and her father.
Edith was my favourite out of the three sisters. I thought she had the most interesting character.
I felt the same. I liked Edith very much starting with the first Season when she acts so badly toward Mary but she's what? 16? 17? Edith - as her father said - had hardly known a happy moment.
Same!
I miss this show so much.
The women in his family unerestimated robert so many times. He always took the high road
The way he was so quick to agree when Edith said that Mr Gregson was an honorable man--having both seen it for himself and also wanting Edith, with her history, to have what comfort she could.
The feeling when you come out to your dad and he's like I know that's cool
This is the difference between old money and new money . "To see a man shouting at his butler". Lord Sinderby has wealth but he has not learned that you get what you give. Lord Grantham knows how to treat servants. Most days they are like walpaper in his house but sometimes they are people for whom he feels responsibility, as the Earl.
Love Edith, she was the neglected child! This impacted every decision she made.
Did anybody else feel her stomach drop when he uttered "Marigold"?
I love Edith. She's so humble
Even in 1924.... It's 2023 and unpleasentness isn't going anywhere
Robert was so sweet to Edith.
That must have been such a relief.
How nice it was back then with household staff to serve you.
One of my VERY favorite scenes in ALL movie/screen plays. Wonderful! ❤️❤️❤️
best show ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When he mentions his "belly pains" I got war flashbacks
Lmao sAme
Everyone be going to Tom for advice and love. An ear and a mouth to give counsel 😂😂😂
Edith looks very beautiful with her hair down here.
Seriously. She looks so amazing, I’m almost mad at how they had her hair done for the rest of the show.
One of the best scenes of the show 🥺
Laura looks so lovely here 🥰
My favorite Edith clip...
Given what decade Marigold was born in, its likely she does not learn the truth about Edith’s relationship to her until a letter is given to her after Edith passes away decades later. 😢
I disagree. I think Edith would have told Marigold when she was a bit older and able to understand the reasons why she didn’t.
@@judycroteau482Given these were GENTRY = i.e. not caring for opinions of the GREAT UNWASHED, this _may_ be so.
a fathers love....we here of a mothers love all the time but we rarely here of a fathers love
One of the single most precious, tender, loving moments we’ve shared with the inimitable Crawleys.
Precious Priceless Downton Abbey Moment 🤗
So nice...
Wow. Touching wonderful moment, acted wonderfully by robert
I wish he would have said he loved her. It's just nice to hear. Even from a parent.
Nice of Robert to finally realize Edith is his daughter too.
Robert is a great father. Lovely scene.
Johan Herrenberg I know when she asks for forgiveness his responses is so moving
1924..... Hundred years ago.....the world has changed so much.
I loved this show so much
This is one of the best scenes in this program.
It seems no one has ever been told the real reason Michael went to Germany. She was just waiting for him to come back or to go and meet him. Surely it was hardly the kind of thing people talked about in those days, but it explained her actions, and they all deserved to know in the end.
He was seeking German citizenship in order to marry Edith.
He was seeking German citizenship in order to marry Edith.
I thought they were going to go the route that the newly formed na*zs killed him during a protest while he was in Germany but nothing came of that.
As I recall, though I could be slightly off the mark, Michael could only marry Edith if he got a German divorce from his terribly mentally ill wife. However, shortly after his arrival in Berlin, with him being the good and brave man he was, he got into a heated argument defending Jews from some of Hitler's murderous brownshirt thugs, who then kidnapped beat, and murdered him and disposing of his body until it was found a great while later, to Lady Edith's sad dismay.
@@snuffysmif9801 Nope, that's pretty much on the mark. It's just odd that he chose Germany, when apparently there were other countries where he also could have gotten a divorce.
Siento mucho no saber inglés pero me encanta la serie y sus actores y actrices la repito con frecuencia.
Mary and Matthew were really the key in the first 3 seasons, but Edith's story is what kept me going for the latter 3
Edith deserved so much better. I know it was her fault about people finding out about Pamuk, but that didn’t mean she deserved all the scorn and near disdain she got from everyone. Edith was an after thought for so long for their family, I’m glad she came out on top.
I was so proud of Robert right here.
One of my favorite scenes.
When Violet said that Robert was kinder than her and that was more important she was right.
My favorite scene from the entire show.