ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- SOURCES BELOW:
books.google.c...
books.google.c...
Music Used:
• Storytelling Mayo & Do...
• Deck The Halls - Chris...
• Helan går
• Lilting: Queen of the ...
• Dermot Power singing o...
• Seamus Ennis-An Poc Ar...
• Robbie McMahon The Mas...
Video at the end:
• Can Anyone Play The Fi...
All other videos/pictures are either from TH-cam, Wikipedia, or are self-produced.
as an irish person, i had no idea there was a word for this. i thought it was just something everyone instinctually did when they hear some eye-diddly-eyedle music
I'm also Irish and thought the same. All my kids babbled like that before they could even speak. I would think this is a universal phenomenon, not just an Irish thing, but who knows. Potatoes and now this. How lucky can one nationality get!?! Lol
@@bobhughes9628 hahahahaha
I'm English and this was a surprise as well.
Same from the diaspora, 2nd gen American here... I am familiar with the concept of portaireacht having a name but that's not improvised, those are exact lyrics. Good example being the non-words in "rare auld mountain dew"
Same here I’m Irish and I thought it was as universal as humming, watched this whole video in disbelief
My father would do this for me as a young child. I had an intestinal disorder and was in constant pain. My father would would hold me and bounce me gently on his knees and "lilt" a made-up song he called the "dumpy dee's" until I fell asleep. It would take hours. I remember seeing the sunrise through my window. He would get 3 to 4 hours sleep and go to work, then do it all over again. He never complained. I love you forever, dad. Rest in peace.
How lucky to have a Dad like that.
I'm so sorry for your loss, he sounds like a wonderful father.
As a child, I had the same experience with my dad who was from Co. Mayo. I was born in Mayo too but brought up in England from the age of four. Never knew there was an actual name for this.
What a dad! Hope you’re free of pain now ?
My dad always lilting when I was kid.
This little irish bit of culture is proof that no matter how hard times got or how harsh the winter or how tuff the boot upon our necks, we shall always have music to dance free.
This made me tear up man. What a beautiful and absolutely correct comment. This music doesn't really require a language at all, so even during times where our language was banned, we could still sing and dance to our hearts content. The Irish spirit truly never dies. Éirinn go Brách 💚🤍🧡
It’s basically the noises you make when you can’t remember the lyrics to a song!
In America we call this jack blacking it
@@lucasorourke8759 Greatest song in the world! this is a ttribuuuuuttte!
One step up from humming.
amen
Well actually it's for when there is no words and you can't afford an instrument
My Irish father did this more-or-less constantly and everywhere.
Yes, the ‘mouth music’ or ‘diddlee diddlee dum’ stuff is definitely not common humming as some seemed confused at that. Another confusion is not to see that the Irish guys are doing the notes &/or the tune, & not just humming it in a bland monsyaballic way.
Humming may be used in it though. A unique version of oral music known in different forms thruout the world. The Lilting is imitating musical instruments and also sounding out the tune, using the refrains called by my Irish family ‘diddly diddlee dum’. The meaning of which has been lost to us in the distant Gaelic past. But many of the refrains in insular folk music that seem like nonsense are also old Irish, Brythonic, German, Gaelic phrases usually I believe, referring to the Deity(the sound ‘day’ or ‘dee’) in one form or another.
My parents were from Ireland, my mother born speaking Irish, learning English in school. I grew up with many Irish aunts and uncles and this ‘mouth music’ was as common as coughing among us.
My Irish twin brother (+18mos) and I took their palavering and lilting & gift of the gabbing & made up our own pig-pidgin-speak that was a combination of what we thought was Irish, English, Latin, French, Diddly, etc., & communicate to each as a goof in front of friends.
Most of our friends thought it was Irish Gaelic & we never said it wasn’t.
Funny but Joe & I knew exactly what we were saying to each other in our crazy patois that would contain paragraphs and repeated phrases, some of which always appeared when we did it. Like we were channeling our decd ancestors, lol. And we usta do impromptu duos of the diddly diddly variety not having a clue it was an ancient art form, lol.
I usta sing and play in bands, mostly hand drums, got good with the Irish Bodhran, and at certain times, when playing Celtic music, & the lyrics were temporarily misplaced I’d do a diddly diddly refrain & as long as I didn’t act like I forgot, nobody knew I did.
But, but, I just never put 2 + 2 together until your video Oscopo, that this what you call ‘lilting’ could be considered in itself as a musical form. Shite, those two brothers are almost as good as me and Joe, lol.
Thanks for the lightbulb, duh.
Yes, mine also. I grew up listening to him do this. Sometimes he would do it under his breath. He would also whistle. He was good at it...
@@michael7324 Haha my dad couldn't whistle well but he did like to bang out tunes on anything he was holding!
diddling?
My old man did the same , Always singing when happy and now I know Lilting. He was from Portumna born 1930, He was a hard man from a different time set in his ways. Did not like Elvis or rock n roll . It was all Baloney or I would'nt give you Tuppence for it . Always telling stories of back home and the state of Ireland these days.
My grandad was from Ireland, and had the habit of humming, singing and lilting as he went through his daily life. The Irish are a lyrical people, and grandad was no exception. He had more of a free-form style of lilting, but with particular repetition of "rub-a-dubs" and "rik-a-tai-ais" and other non-lexical norms that sounded funny and silly to a young boy. I hadn't thought about it in years, until I watched your video. Sure wish I had a recording of him lilting with his thick brogue.
1 year on I am reading your comment, in a bar in ireland new years eve have good one
@@frankdunne2401 It is not New Year's Eve. It is Christmas Eve.
@@dashroodle9507
Bloody scientists ! Born on Wednesday, the lot of em ..
@@peregrinegrace8570 hahaha. What are you talking about?
You won't hear anyone under 70 yo lilting in Ireland, especially in the cities. They are too busy trying to be anything but what brings in the international tourists. You'll have to visit the Irish-speaking areas (Gaeltacht) before the decade is over. They are bleeding young people who don't want to live like that.
Irish traditional flute player here and its very werid to see this from an outside perspective! Everything in the video is pretty much bang on and lilting is exactly as it sounds, households that were poor and couldn't afford instrument would use things like tablespoons and lilt to play music. In sessions its pretty common for someone to stand up and lilt in between sets. Muscians and crowds are usually pretty respectful and keep noise down so a lilter can be heard. Theres no right or wrong way to do it, tunes are just sang like they would sound if they were played on an instrument. Really good video man, keep it up!
I'm an Irish drummer and feel the same way. Seeing a foreigner take an interest in what is the norm for us was interesting. Until I could afford my first drum, I pounded out rhythms on anything that came into my hands. Do you think Americans would be horrified if they knew how young we start playing as musicians in pubs? Should we even tell them? I'd like to see a video on that LOL.
I play keyboard/piano and lilting is also useful when you're thinking of a song but cant remember the name. 😆
This is very weird
@@THEED123 Youre weird.
@@RayPoo122 great comment bro
Ned Flanders makes a lot more sense now....
Sharpwit !
Well spotted bud and the weird thing is they say that it's the Sampsons that have Irish ancestry but all along it's been ole Ned diddly Flanders.......diddly
Stupid sexy Flanders..
Neddy 'o Flanders
I thought about Ned Flanders and how he is all about this lifestyle. This is the basis of who he is as a character.
Most percussionists (African/Afrocuban) have a saying: "if you can say it, you can play it". Indian music has a spoken form that allows a player to internalize the music as well.
My friend told me this about playing the guitar long ago, too. He said you have to be able to do it vocally first. Otherwise, it is just button mashing strings.
The word for the spoken sounds in Indian music is bols, which is plural of bol referring to the individual sounds. It's incredible watching people play the Tabla.
A big part of gaelic music is that everyone takes part. When you listen to the music a big part is clapping, singing, banging glasses. Not only the performers but the whole room . Lilting plays a part of this as it let's people sing reels (they have no lyrics)
Probaly the same with folk music everywhere in this world.
@@iagobroxado: Probably the same in every pub and parlour where people get a wee bit too drunk, lol.
I think the Gypsy people in Southern Spain have something of this taking part tradition, They travelled across Europe from East to West, through many cultures that have a Celt/Gael root. They also clap, bang the table, etc as well..
Not to forget the link of intricate and fast footwork dancing.
@@flamencoprof Probably not coincidence given the fact that the modern Irish ethnic majority is originally from Spain
Same goes for Swedish folk music. The musicians may be playing, but the listeners are encouraged to clap, stomp, holler and sing along
It's weird that "scatting"/scat singing wasn't mentioned as an obvious connection.
I never thought about it, but the feeling of "it's easy to get into, but you better plan ahead or else you stumble through ill-fitting sounds or too repetitive a pattern" made it click in my head
Or take traditional hindustani Tintal tabla music: Use "bol"s (kind of like lilts, explicitly as mnemonics for the rhytm) to define the "theka", then play it... Here Ustad Zakir Hussain, th-cam.com/video/ZtRPB8xHP8M/w-d-xo.html --- both scat and tintal is predominantly improvised, as opposed to typical irish 'ditties'.
I’m pretty sure Lilting predates scatting. Just like Irish step dancing predates tap dancing.
@@irishgrl Sure, that would be my guess as well
I was thinking the same thing
@@irishgrl American Clog dancing is derived from Irish step dancing. Tap dancing is derived from clog dancing.
Yodeling is very close to lilting. I would think that most cultures have some form of this “instrument-like” singlng.
For anyone who doesn't know, "Puss" (or "Pus") is a word nativised to Irish English, Scotsm and Ulster-Scots from a goidelic word for mouth. Where I come from it usually refers to one's face, but can still be used to refer to someone's mouth, so, it could make sense as meaning 'mouth music' or 'face music' in more regional dialects/languages of Scotland and Ireland.
I didn't realise that was of irish origin, considering how common it is in the english lexicon. For instance, calling someone a "sour puss." It does seem to be somewhat archaic in the US, however.
„Puss“ means kiss in Swedish 💋
I've heard "one in the puss" being used to describe being hit in the mouth by someone. It's definitely a rural or regional thing.
People saying "don't be a sour puss" when someone is frowning makes so much more sense now!
I am Slovak and we use this slang term for both mouth and kiss: "pusa". So I instinctively guessed the puss right.
Edit: when I think of it, we probably borrowed it from Austrian German
My favourite song that has Lilting is “Boil the Breakfast Early” by The Chieftains
My Irish father always joked that lilting happened at the point in the night when everyone was too drunk to remember the lyrics anymore haha
I grew up hearing this and thought they were singing in a very repetitive other language🤣 loved it tho
Yes! That's the first song I thought of!
Accurate
so about half an hour in then?
"Boil the Breakfast Early" was the first Chieftain's album I bought. I wasn't into the music but heard it on a trip to the record store and bought it blind. Best 'waste of money' ever! Since then 'what a long strange trip it's been'!
Can we appreciate the fact that this content was produced by someone with less than 1k subscribers whose previous video has less than 200 views?
Locally-sourced, scratch-made, artisinal, small-batch, craft content.
Praise the algorithm!
The fact that there are still Human beings on TH-cam comes as a great surprise to me as well, tbh
We will watch your career with great interest.
Can we appreciate the fact that this comment was produced by someone with less than 1k subscribers whose previous comment probably has less than 20 likes.
My Irish immigrant grandparents did this all the time when I was growing up, I never knew it had a name
You're blessed with good genes and beautiful.
@@Dman3827 incel moment
@@Dman3827 Leave young girls alone, lmao. You're like 30 years old.
based and whitepilled
It was used long long ago in Ireland during penal times when Irish music,, dance, language and religion was banned by the British....Over the years it was used at house dances in Ireland when there was no musician present to play for the dancers. All these customs have only become popular since we acquired our independence from Britain.
Wow youtube really decided to just bless you with the algorithm
Any sca boy?
🕶️
Clear !
Idk if blessed is the word I'd use
Diddly do, it's a thing. Who knew 🤔
The chorus "Aililiú" in An póc ar buille (the mad poc goat) is not lilting. Aililiú is a word. From one dictionary it is defined as "good gracious! Strange! Wonderful!". It could be considered an interjection. It also possibly has hallelujah as a root.
Thank you, too many people aren't understanding this
Came here to say this!
Yep, basically like when we yell "Holy Shit!" in English.
What about builelú/puilelú - the next one?
You have something similar in English music, e.g. the word folderol, which Google tells me means 'trivial or nonsensical fuss', but which is often used among non-lexical sounds like 'folderol diddle-aye ay'. I guess it's sort of a mid-point between diddling and... song-ing?
In Scotland it’s called puirt a beul (a tune from the mouth). It is used to accompany dance too. When my dad played in a pipe band, they used tan-tup-ta-ra (or something - I’m not a drummer) for drum patterns. Each different syllable gives you a different specific drum strike with its duration or lack of it. This is also done in India to give drum patterns.
Whiskey Galore has a wonderful scene on the Isle of Barra.
Port a' bhéil means the same thing in Irish Gaelic, although the tunes usually have lyrics with lilting just replacing a chorus.
Puirt a beul actually has true words rather than vocables - brochan lom, and cailleach liath ratharsay would be examples
Yes!! Canntaireachd I learned by ear better than by sheet music.
Made this same connection while watching, thanks for these comments!
Isaac Asimov suggested that you lilt the “Irish Washer Woman” with the name of a molecule: paradimethylaminobenzaldehyde. I can no longer hear the tune and think of it any other way.
I just tried it. It's fun
@@TheNationalfilmbored me too. 🤣
Huh... would you look at that
th-cam.com/video/tlPT1ybDzFQ/w-d-xo.html
It actually also fits some german carnival songs nicely. Improves them a lot, actually.
That's brilliant lol!
Regrading "puss music": the word "puss" used to be a slang term, related to one's mouth - and, more broadly, one's face. It got eclipsed by the shortening of "pussy" (which is a whole other etymological discussion), and is no longer used; but one can occasionally hear some mobster in an old black & white movie, talking about "sockin' 'em in the puss." We also still have it in the term "sourpuss," for someone with an irritated look about them (as if they had just tasted something sour/spoiled).
So yup, "puss music" is literally "mouth music."
PS: For my personal favourite bit of diddling, check out Omnia's song Fee Ra Huri ( th-cam.com/video/J56VVtlZCGE/w-d-xo.html ). There's about a minute and a half of penny whistle to sit through before the diddling starts - but both "instruments" put on a good showing. :)
PPS: The last beats in Washer Woman will now forever end with "Becky, oh look at her butt!" Thanks for that... XD
any time i was caught with resting b*tch face my mother would say “look at the puss on you”
In Celtic nations the mouth is still sometimes referred to as a puss. Getting rejected by a woman can sometimes be called getting a "slap in the puss".
@@AutisticWombot my dad, yrs ago, called one our neighbours a pus dóite, ( burnt mouth) due to the lad having a 🚬 , plus he didn't like him at all
The idea that anyone would immediately think "puss" in this context would have anything to do with "pussy" is sadly hilarious. The pornification of the world is complete. Hahaha.
I know some old timers who still use the word puss for basically everything lol
Bro made me learn about my heritage and made my heart feel warm. Instant success for me to binge watch your entire channel.
I wish I had more for you to watch
@@Oscopo that's okay. I luv u ❤
I'm Irish an I'm lilting every day over here..it's our way of singing an the purest way of expressing Irish music cos any aul soul can do it
Beautiful
Every day? Really
Yes, I guess superior qualities of music are "impurities" lol.
@@NellieKAdaba Beautiful?...try working all day with him...
American of Irish decent here. I lilt nearly every day myself. But, I think anyone who listens to Irish folk music can't help it. I mean, can you even listen to Makem and the Clancy Brothers and not sing along?
I recommend listening to the late Dolores O’Riordan of the Cranberries sing “Dreams”, at the end of the song her Lilting is very beautiful and shows her range
Aw RIP this is precious
@@playingforghosts what's wrong with the original comment?
Brilliant song
Her live performance of Dreams at Woodstock is unreal, really shows the band at their peak
@@standarduck5860 what u mean? I said aww this is precious, RIP, to Dolores, my queen
We have our own version of that over to the other side of the sea in Québec, we call it “Turlutte” most commonly associated to La Bolduc who popularized it in the 30s
It also pops up around Christmas and new year’s in a myriad of folk songs
La fameuse turlutte
Moi ca me rappelle la cabane a sucre haha! Tpujours quelqun qui "chante" vomme ca avec des cuillères en acompagnement!!!
Part of why I think lilting was so common was because it took a while before people wrote down music, usually musicians would learn local tunes by heart and then pass it on to future students and would travel the country playing for various occasions. For harping specifically, because the tradition was dying out it was only then that in 1792 the Belfast harp festival was made where people began to write down the tunes. The reason this is relevant is because even musicians who had an instrument they could play would still need to lilt in order to memorise/teach a tune.
One thing that gets misunderstood in the modern world is culture and spirit. Music and singing at one point was as much a part of a person's character as political voting is today. People would have been defined by it.
Today very little music has real culture and is nothing more than a series of preprogrammed computer sounds.
Music of those era's would have had the same significance as a person name would have today and it was closely connected with a person's family and heritage.
One of the most beautiful things about the likes of Irish lilting is the fact it is being creative in the spur of the moment rather than something that is more structured.
Today people outsource everything from their personality to their understanding of the world.
@@bighands69 I don`t know about the rest of the world but here in Ireland music and singing is Still as much a part of a persons character and heritage just as it always was
@@DocRockBabyAbsolutely..It is an integral part of who we are. It defines us as a people and as a culture
@@ItsmeeSaoirse Thanks for your reply 😊 good to know I'm not the only one who thinks this 😊 peace and love to you Sister ✌️❤️
@@bighands69 what?
I’m Irish and I’ve grown up just hearing my family diddily-aye ing my whole life and I do it from time to time. But never thought much about it before. It was actually very fun to learn about this from the outside. Awesome stuff
Well that was actually delightful, which is a rarity in terms of non-Irish videos on Irish culture
Maith thú!
That part with Robbie McMahon. That's exactly how a lot of traditional American music sounds, especially in the country Appalachia region who have a lot of scot and Irish descendents.
I would bet this is were "scatting" comes from!
Ireland is so facinating, you can see irish roots in the apalachians, in country music, which in turn gave way for rock music, the Irish are so incredibly influential and keeps traditions so well kept. *
In Sweden we lost all kinds of communal gatherings around song and dance to the industrialization, we lost family and traditions and dancing and so much.
Big respect to Ireland.
There is a strong Irish influence in American country music from the Irish immigrants in Appalachia
My Irish Grandfather did that all the time, I'm told I do it when I'm trying to focus on something.
"Hi diddly-ho, Neighbor!"
~Ned Flanders
"Buenos diddley dias!"
~Ned's Spanish Cousin
Goede diddley-dag from the Netherlands!
I'm getting obtuse here, but there actually a strong Celtic prescence in spain.
@@craigtrautmanjr9393 And vice versa in the Black Irish. Those that helped the marooned Spanish Armada. Which, coincidentally, is one of the MANY theories for the name Gallagher (O'Gallabher, sounds like Gulliver) "the foreign helpers" or "foreigner friend."
Dude: sings gibberish
other dude: OMG he's making music with his mouth!!
singers allover the world: -.-
It's both weird and wonderful that so many people had no idea that lilting exists....I've Irish danced for a long time and we all learned it at some point because it's how we'd practice while other people were using music or right before we go on stage. It's especially useful for ceiles or group dances that are pretty central to Irish culture.
I was going to say the same about Irish dance. I always liked it when my teachers would lilt the steps.
idk, too me it really doesnt seem all that different from humming or any other non word mouth sounds to a tune. seems pretty universal.
The show of riverdance had it during one of their reels. It doesn't seem to be in the show as it is now, but when they originally had it on tv/video, it's there. Can't quite remember the particular song, but... yeah.
It's the one where the young lads come out with the bodhran drums and sing while the girls dance. Looked it up, and it's Oscail an Doras (hopefully I spelled it correctly...).
As an Irish dancer I didn’t even realize that wilting is how we name moves. The beats are so fast and come in different combinations that using syllables through lilting is how you often name or describe certain groups of beats
I remember my nana singing like this for me when I was little and I had no idea there was a word for it. Thanks for bringing back the nostalgia!
It’s common for classically trained musicians , especially percussionists. When learning music as kids we often practice note division and subdivision with our mouths first when sight reading (for example the term “trip-a-let” when referring to musical triplets). This concept was so ingrained for me this I didn’t even realize others may not be as familiar with it haha.
Yup I’ve taught many a newbie flautist the articulation pattern by singing through a piece “bum ba-da-dum, bum ba-da-dum, bum, bum, bum, ba-da-da-da-dum,” Or better yet all us flautists when we started practicing double tounging, muttering “tho-khoo tho-khoo tho-khoo” as fast and as long as we can under our breath to build that muscle memory.
In Switzerland the concept of yodeling is similar. I use Switzerland specifically because I am Swiss, but also because there are 2 distinctly different types of yodeling. Or a lot more, but here we'll just break it down to the 2 basic categories. Fast and slow. The slow yodel since I am Bernese i would call it Jutze, but it's also Juiz, Naturjodel, and the Appenzell Zäuerli as well. This comes probably from cattle calls, the viehlochruf chüeliheili, or whatever you want to call it, and is the sort of thing a farmer might do it in the fields or out on the mountains herding his goats or cows.
The other is probably what you're familiar with, the faster sort of yodel with a lot of register changes and rapid syllables. This has a similar origin to the Irish lilting, and comes from imitating the sound of an accordion, or the same sort of music as it used to be played on the fiddle before the days of the accordion, or doing some sort of nonsense vocalizing that goes along with the music being played on instruments. The Swiss are apt to shout along with the music as it's played, and so naturally this shouting starts to become more musical over time. Hence yodeling.
"Fiddley dye dee-dye" is literally a meme in my large Irish family.
See “Gone With the Wind” Miss Scarlett.
Same lmao we just go “dee dydelly dydelly dydelly dydelly dydelly dydelly dum” whenever someone does a jig or dances it’s so funny
Nice
Something similar that might interest you is canntaireachd, which is an old Scottish form of singing. Way back before the Scottish were introduced to sheet music, bagpipers would teach each other tunes to play by singing them. Canntaireachd is a bit more detailed than lilting, however, as it actually had unique words/sounds to represent each note or embellishment. Even to this day, the leader of a pipe band will sing a portion of the tune the band will play to the band before they begin playing, and this singing is much more akin to lilting, with the singer simply making up sounds to best replicate the melody.
Popeye the Sailor Man was a lilter. And you haven't heard real Mouth Music until you've heard siblings Tríona and Micheal of the Bothy Band in full flight singing "Fionnghuala".
Rural Newfoundlander here. Same thing happens a lot in small towns there. My grandfather does it constantly when he's not actually playing the accordion, very specifically, he does The Irish Washerwoman. I found out the name of the song when I was in my teens and learned how to whistle it not remembering why I knew the song, and when my mother heard me whistle it, she brought it up that pop (her dad) "sings" it all the time.
Christy Moore does this a lot and very well, i suggest “The Night Visit“, “Welcome to the Caberet“ and “Casey“ for some of his more lilting filled songs
I love Welcome to the Caberet, I think Live at the Point is one of the greatest live albums of all time.
In Québec it’s part of our traditional singing too, we call this “turlutte” or “reel à bouche”. One of the greatest to ever do it was La Bolduc, he father was irish and her maiden name was Mary Travers.
"Ça va venir pis ça va venir mais décourageons-nous pas! Moé j'ai toujours le cœur gai pis j'continue à turlutter ba dum da diddly di da dum da di du dum da da diddly di da diddly di da dum da di da diddly dé du dum!"
I’m Canadian (from Toronto) and had no idea this was a thing. One more reason to go east and visit the beautiful province!!
My father's mother was a Travers from County Wexford. We used to go down every year for the "Pattern", the blessing of the graves. We'd gather in a cousin's house and have a music session. Fiddle, accordion, spoons, etc.
Comments either: "my Granda used to do this!" or "eVerY cUlTurE hAs tHiS"
That's because its true. Every culture has this.
In south India we don't have this
Rex, isn't singing ragas with the swaras of carnatic music similar to singing non-word vocals tho?
@@mesientogut6701 it is gamakas , it's just fast pace of notes without breaking the raga.
Ex : ni re ga , ni ma ma ga , ma re ga , ni dha sa (gamakas or saragam taans of raga yaman )
You can do it with just aakaar (which is uncommon in carnatic and very common in Hindustani )
@@coolfix948 I went to the cricket qt chinaswammy stadium once to see aus vs india was in the gilchrist and sachin times. These local girls were chanting
Ka kanna kanatakataa ooh ah ooh ah
That was 2004 when I was backpacking india and never have forgotten that chant
I was super immersed in irish music as a child because I was obsessed with fairies and other fae, but I haven’t thought about that in years but I picked up on this in the music. I didn’t know it was considered “rare knowledge” I even have my own spelling (though im no phoneticist) “liddle” pronounced lie-dle.
So crazy that this video managed to bring that memory back
Thank you for making this video, explaining the Irish art of mouth instrumentals. I would like to expand upon that and explain one of the main reasons that this form of mouth music was introduced.
When England invaded, occupied and ruled over Ireland, they introduced draconian and brutal laws against Irish catholics, these were known as the ' The Penal Laws '. These were laws that were specifically designed to prevent any status, progression or prosperity gained by the Irish catholics by banning them from doing many things. The 'Penal Laws' were a deliberate attempt to subjugate them, demoralise them, make them and keep them destitute and break their spirit. The English knew of how connected Irish people were to their native culture. One of the things they banned were musical instruments. To ultimately defeat Irish people, the English tried to destroy Irish culture and one of the many ways they thought they could succeed, was by not allowing them play musical instruments and enjoy their cultural music. Frequently, breaking such draconian and brutal laws could result in a summary execution of that person, with the local community being forced to watch. The Irish resisted, determined to keep their culture alive and created musical sounds and rhythms with their mouths, substituting for musical instruments., for people to sing along to and dance to. These men in the video are honouring a very important and immensely proud part of our cultural history.
🍀🍀🍀
I'm speechless. Thankyou so much for sharing this info.
Blessings to the ancestors who kept the music alive.
@@tothelighthouse9843 in Ulster interestingly many tunes were kept alive by Protestant fiddlers, which I was touched to learn.
Theres no evidence that Irish music was stopped by the penal laws, if anything it was hindered more by the Church in the public dance halls act in the 1930s. Just look at the work of Canon Goodman/George Petrie in the 19th Century, or the landed gentry who took up the instruments and promoted the music during this time
@@sionrouse The argument was not to establish the relative causal agency of different contributing factors which may have hindered the expression of the music. The point made above highlighted one systematic legislative attempt to subjugate a form of artistic expression.
And, yes it is self-evident that the music 'was[n’t]stopped' - it continues today in its current incarnation. However, the penal laws as a definite legal attempt to outlaw and end that music is well documented - see N. Canny: Kingdom and Colony … or Brady & Gillespie: Natives and Newcomers - essays on the making of Irish colonial society.
The efforts of the Goodman, Petrie or Bunting etc and the landed gentry etc, though laudable, were the efforts of men who were a miniscule minority among their own religious/politico/cultural stripe (that does not mean that we should overlook or discount the significant contribution of these few men - their religious/politico/cultural stripe afforded them power among a largely dispossessed and oppressed population - and they used it in their commendable service of the music).However, the main historical thrust of the landed gentry and COI at the time was to prioritise, promote and secure its own privileges at the expense of other cultural groups/denominations etc. It would be a gross misconstruing of history to overemphasise either COI and ‘landed gentry’ input or for that matter, the effects of the 1935 Public Dance Hall Act.
McCullagh’s De Valera Vol. 2 details how the act was to counter the supposed threat of ‘foreign’ music and dance (read jazz and specifically swing) - this was primarily a function of De Valera’s naive preoccupation with preserving the supposedly innate ‘homely goodness’ of young Irish ‘comely maidens’ who might be wrong footed on a dancefloor.
This law was an act of state (the Oireachtas, not the church, as you indicate), designed to undergird sexual mores - of course their was no real separation of church and state for Dev - quite the opposite & in fairness the act did hinder trad music - but it was collateral damage, something qualitatively different to the up-front attack on the music that characterised the penal laws.
It exists everywhere. In Bulgaria, we call it "tananikane", that is, singing with no lyrics. I believe it happens in many national styles.
Yeah it’s really weird that this guy is acting like that doesn’t happen everywhere.
With a happy yodel in Germany.
@@StarlasAiko exactly, or an Appalachian yodel. Or for that matter people beat boxing. Probably every human who ever lived has hummed
Reminds me of ‘scatting’, which is what you usually do if you’re a musician that adds vocals after the instrumentals.
In taiko it is called “kuchi showa” or “kuchishoka” or “kuchishoga”
0:05 my brain at all times of the day
I’ve been learning about this style of music in college recently! I’m in the music performance program, and I’m part of a Celtic ensemble! My college is located in PEI, Canada, which is well known for its Celtic music scene, along with Nova Scotia and Newfoundland (and to a lesser degree, my home province, New Brunswick). The Acadian word for mouth music is Turlutte. Thanks for making this video, shedding light on this topic for so many people!
"Diddling." Now I can't get the idea of Ned Flanders being a prolific "lilter" out of my head. (Because diddler is too on the nose...)
"Diddling." Now I can't get the idea of Jared Fogle being a prolific "diddler" out of my head.
Diddlekid is here.
I thought everyone did this as children? (American)
AHHHH WAIT the end! That old man grinding that fiddle was incredible and hilarious and very talented XD no one talking about the best part!!
I read once that young Indian tabla students learning the highly complex rhythms played on the drum start by simulating them with their mouths. There's a wonderful example of this by Sheila Chandra on her album 'Weaving My Ancestors' Voices.'
They copied this for the recent soccer world cup anthem.
0:37 - Its the same thing , portaireacht béil is the correct word...it translates as lilting
This was great. Lovely to see more cool music-centric TH-camrs pop up.
This sort of 'singing' comes to me naturally when I want to sing a tune whose lyrics I don't know.
I wasn't aware it's so uniquely Irish - although I am Irish, so it's not necessarily surprising.
Blackthorn's version of "As I Roved Out" has some of this sort of lilting. It's a fun song.
So when I'm going "hi-dee-di" over and over to imitate Irish music, I'm lilting?
There is a similar composition style in Hindustani Classical Music that relies on Persian phenomes, called a Tarana. The difference is that it is a well regarded art form performed by all of Indian Subcontinent's Hindustani Classical singers. And it's beautiful! Seriously, check it out!
PristinePerceptions
Just checked it out. Immediately felt hungry.
th-cam.com/video/-CH2Ngll-xk/w-d-xo.html
You already mentioned Swedish, but lilting is also a thing in traditional Swedish folk music! Might be obvious, but it's fun that it's a named tradition. I'm not being helpful by remembering the name used for it, but if I ever do I will edit this comment. My idol and music-role-model Sven-Ingvar Heij sang a lot of his music.
So…it’s just drunk mumbling. Got it.
Nice video! Puss is actually the Irish word for mouth in certain dialects- so puss music translates directly to mouth music!
My father used to call an ill-humoured person a sour-puss.
my parents still use is, and I always find it slightly uncomfortable haha
A slap in the puss.
My Dad (Italian-American, WW-II vet, from NJ) would say "shut yer puss" to mean shut up.
I learn Beal was mouth in Gaeilge as in "Binn Beal Ina thost." which means sweet sounds the mouth in silence. My teacher spoken Dongal dialect.
What you said about not having an instrument in the house, is spot on. The lilting is replicating the music that a violin, concertina, or flute basically, any instrument that plays the melody. Super stuff.
“Loo loo loo I’ve got some apples
Loo loo loo you’ve got some too…”
My grandmother used to hold up a baby till they were standing on her lap and do what you call lilting so the baby can do a jig. It is something that is so normal to me since I grew up seeing it done and often do myself when I am bored, that it is weird to realize that someone has never seen or heard it done before.
Maybe that explains why some people (like me) just can't dance .... if you don't start to learn at 6 months of age, that's it, you're done!!!!
My Hungarian grandma did it with a raw chicken on the counter while lilting Franz Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2. It was hilarious.
@@andrewg.carvill4596 same with fluent gibberish
There's also competitions in Ireland were we have to tell a story in a rhythmic manner and the end has a twist or funny ending couldn't think of the name but another great tradition
yooo some1 find this
Yee
Oh my goodness, Freckles!
I remember those days too!
By the way, I'm covered in freckles lol.
Reminds me of a Puerto Rican form called Bomba where you tell a story in rhyme and by the end have to roast the person next to you.
Limericks?
is it required to only have 4 teeth to start lilting or is that just what the pros do
The best lilting for the theme to game of thrones is “Dinklage, Peter Dinklage “ it works beautifully throughout.
Just tried this and laughed my ass off!
I find the theme from GoT extremely compelling. Once I catch a bit of it, I must keep my attention on it until it finishes. It’s an amazing piece of music!
What we call "Chin Music" in Newfoundland. Far as I know anyway. Lots of 'dye de dee da!..' And lots of stompin' till the joists gets a rhythmic bounce goin'.
May as well have a kitchen party there now.. I'll go get a case. Tell yr Mudder! Who's got the guitar.
This must be the least impressive thing I've ever seen
The world does this...diddly is just the irish version
True. In sweden we mostly go tralalala, falleralla, fallerallerej. What is it in yalls countries??
oh and for finnish version, listen to levan polkka
no, not the world. but specific groups of the world, yes. the world does not all engage this. what confident response you give in such ignorance my friend
@@mee6703 im pretty sure every human being has at some point hummed a melody
@@audhumbla6927 this video is not about humming a melody, you know this. do not be purposefully obtuse
Just as with scat, some people tend to imitate the sound of specific instruments while others just do their own thing. (Which is fair, because a lot of Irish instrumentalists imitate vocal singing, to give their instruments a more lyrical sound; and sometimes you can tell what instrument a tune was composed for.)
That's how it is in all cultures. From the 1600's with violins, the 1920 had singers and trumpets emulating each other, then blues with guitars, etc.
like a lot of 80s-early 90s hip hop vocals imitated drum machines of the time
I’ve been playing Celtic music my entire life, family was Irish. Performing on stage for the last 6 years, lilting comprises a good fourth of my repertoire at this point, we also have a different “lilt” that’s like yipping vocally that’s very cool entertwined with the Irish definition. ♥️ I’ve been rout-n-tout-n-diddlying-out-n-dithera-dohing longer than I can remember and learned indeed by listening to my gram- the first dancing video is a favourite! It’s featured in that same piece, little beggarman🥰
In Québec, we had La Bolduc, who was very good at lilting. She used to sing in french.
Julie Fowlis does some incredible puirt a beul. Especially the one about the man who loves three things: potatoes, butter, and women
Oh wow! I was looking for resources on youtube years ago on this topic. Like maybe 10 years or more now. Love Sean Nos and tons of Irish Music. I know how to tell the difference between a jig and a reel depending on if the beat fits with Liverpool or Black & Decker (say these over and over when listening to Sean Nos and you can feel the music in the syllables, try it out). Algorithm brings this video to me. It was posted like 2 years ago and already has 1.5 million views. Amazing. I've seen all the videos shown here and know them. Have them in play list. Lilting crosses my other love of The Elements Of Hip-Hop such as beatbox'n. I wanted to introduce some lilting into some of the beats I do. The challenge trying to understand lilting... there really wasn't much out there on about Lilting. I'm not really a musician. Thank you for making this video. I couldn't fully understand what I was hearing as far as the words. I study and know some Irish Gaelic, but I couldn't hear the sounds they where making. Excellent short and powerful video. Really cool sooooo many views on this topic. 🐄🛸
What a lovely comment, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! You should check out some of the other comments people have left if you want to hear anecdotes about how others use lilting!
@@Oscopo Thank you!
this was a really well made video! I was surprised it was so high quality with the amount of views, keep it up dude! also when you played the video of that guy in the beginning I started laughing so much my grandad (who is Irish lol) does that and I had no idea it was a musical thing, just thought it was something he did. so funny to see a video on it
I greatly appreciate the comment and the anecdote
Thanks for this video! During Oliver Cromwell's occupation of Ireland many areas weren't allowed to celebrate their own culture. For colonial reasons. So people would stand in close circles (think, like a cypher in Harlem) and musicians would lilt while a dancer (notice, never really moving their arms) would keep rhythm next to them. This was less conspicuous than a proper céilidh but still allowed the Irish to retain and build their own traditions.
Wow! Similar forces led to enslaved Africans in the Americas inventing the drum set because traditional drums were banned.
mad I never heard that before. Thanks for sharing
Source? Because it sounds a little ridiculous. Begorrah! No one can can hear us if we stand in a small circle, and sure, don't we need someone to dance, so we are able to sing? Lol. Edit: And don't move your arms, or they'll know you're dancing!!
Truly, I think you just made this up.
he banned christmas mate, ireland wasnt getting special treatment, count your chickens cromwell wasnt a king from europe or the middle east from the same time period by the standards of the day what he done wasnt that bad, ps i like the way you left out what happend in 1641 that got cromwells back up
@@whitetroutchannel "what he done wasnt that bad" cromwells invasion and genocide in ireland saw almost 40% of its pre war population slaughtered
HUH!?!? thats just as much german as it is french and spanish and...well ANYTHING!!!? its someone ousing the sound DIDL and DO and DAI and and and to make musik? HOW is that irish LAUGHABLE! Go to switzerland and the alüine region? JODEL DODLE ...DO...what ever you want but make it sound....is really their idea of music soo^^
The Deck the halls melody comes from Wales ,the original melody is called *Nos Galan* ,it translates as *New year's Eve*
🏴👍
You should definitely check out Christy Moore if you like lilting. He utilises lilting in a lot of his songs and he’s a master of slipping between it and conventional lyrical singing. His song “Welcome to the Cabaret” features arguably the greatest lilting solo I’ve ever heard.
Down in the Southern parts of America; in the rural and Black sections of the States like GA, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas and Arkansas we call it "Skatt", it is in Rock&Roll, Country & Western (where technically it's called Yodeling!), R&B,Soul, Rap,Reggae,Blues, Gospel,Blue Grass, Folk and Funk musics. It's Used sparingly and serves as a filler, accent and word alternative. Sometimes it can stand on its own as a complete song unto itself (but rarely!) . Here's an example: "Skippety- do -dah- a -skappety- doo- lah-atta--dooo- paaah-cha-chaaah!--- Oh well... boe-sie boe-sie--Bough!"... It's like a limerick or poem,no two are alike but similar in that they all have a certain and distinguishable cadence, accent and rhythm that goes in tandem and synchronicity with the music that's being played!
Two good examples are Mountain Dew by the Clancy Brothers, and Uncle Mike by Foster and Allan
Or Whisky in the Jar
The Lilting is within us all
As I was going over
The Cork and Kerry mountains
I met with Captain Farrell
And his money he was countin'
🎶
I first produced my pistol
And then produced my rapier
Saying stand o'er and deliver
Or the devil he may take ya
🎶
Musha ring dum-a-do dum-a-da
Whack for my daddi-o
Whack for my daddi-o
There's whiskey in the jar-o
🎶
I counted up his money
And it was a pretty penny
I took all of his money
And I took it home to Jenny
🎶
She swore that she loved me
And she never would deceive me
But the devil take that woman
For you know she tricked me easy
🎶
Musha ring dum-a-do dum-a-da
Whack for my daddi-o
Whack for my daddi-o
There's whiskey in the jar-o
🎶
best video i have ever seen
The british used to kill us for playing instruments.
Yeah ... my dad used to diddle old radio hits - he would have played them on the sax, but he was afraid the British would kill him if he did. Or maybe he was afraid the neighbours would ......
@@hilariousname6826 List the Penal Laws for us, Brit troll. List them, psycho. 🤣
@@hilariousname6826 No. You're right. The British didn't invade and occupy a quarter of the planet, they didn't ever attempt genocides, and they definitely didn't try to force their ghastly "culture" on anyone.
The empire was just a very elaborate way of delivering cookies and blankets to less fortunate countries.
So what's the difference between Lilting and Scatting. Obviously style (traditional Irish folk vs Jazz respectively), but what is the conceptual difference?
Gob ceol. In Canada we have La Bolduc and in French it's called a "turlutte". I think it's widely spread in the Celtic tradition abroad. In France Brittany it's also traditional. It was rather associated with the Shelta people, the Irish gypsies, the Travellers.
That's not the meaning I know for "turlutte" in French, I have to say.
@@ulrar If you refer to France French of course it has a WHOLE different meaning. Let say it's a "mouth full". I Canadian French it's exactly meaning Lilting.
If by "traditional," you mean: every human being who at some time or another has sung out the tune of a song without words, then, yeah . . . "traditional."
@@Padraigcoelfir yeah I'm French. Had no idea it had a different meaning in Canada, that is good to know.
@@ulrar if you ever come to Canada (especially Quebec) our French will sound completely different from y’all’s
Its what you do when you find yourself without a whistle in your pocket or a fiddle slung over your shoulder, so glad I actually grew up in a folk tradition without having to google this stuff.
Or if you can't afford to buy and upkeep an instrument.
Some of the mountain people in Kentucky have a version of this. I really like what they do. It goes along with their bluegrass music.
Its to be expected as they're decendents of Irish immigrants
@@user-ly3li3ex8c Scots-Irish and Ulstier Scots.
@@barrettwissell9708 yep exactly
Also, this same type of vocalization is used in education for music all the time, as well as in the marching band and Drumline worlds like drum corps international. In fact, certain rudiments are named as such because of how they sound case in point flam.
In the world of Jazz, singing without using actual words is called "Scatting".
@Nicholas Payne oh lord
@Nicholas Paynesame thing with beat boxing 😂
My grandma is Irish American and she falls into lilting whenever she's singing a song where she only knows bits and pieces. I never realized it had cultural relevance for her. She probably never thought much about it either.
Ggl ReallySucks She could be first generation for all you know.
@@gglreallysucks5512 lad shut up, your the obnoxious one here creating problems when there are none. U do realise that we also pollute the ocean and air, it’s not just Americans so stop running your mouth. And finally she could’ve been born in Ireland or had Irish parents so that would make her Irish-American.
@@gglreallysucks5512 if you must know back in the early 1900s many immigrant communities lived in enclaves. She was born in America to 2 direct Irish immigrants and didn’t meet a person who wasn’t 100% Irish until she went to high school. She grew up in an Irish American community.
@@gglreallysucks5512 lad dont be a knob. Irish American is perfectly fine. Its the perfect description for someone who wishes to describe their heritage whilst not laying claim to it as a native.
Go touch some grass
My brain is wilting.
I grew up in Quebec and I here we call it "turluterie" which is essentially how the Irish Lilting evolved when it was introduced back in the province's early days.
The best example would be the song "Ça Va Venir" by La Bolduc if any of you wanted to hear Lilting in french!
The "lilting" in Quebec probably comes from Breton singing rather than Irish.
@@AlexRodallec Not impossible, I'm no folklore expert, that was just my uneducated guess.
If you were Irish you needn’t have googled it lol. But yes it’s gorgeous and we all know what it means here. It’s not that the sounds replace the music but that the voice itself is an instrument.
Babies lilt, it’s human. Do it, it’s fine, you aren’t culturally appropriating. Go on! Yeaou!
Kinda like an beat boxing then
@@asawhite6817 sort of yes, same idea and principles
Unfortunately I'm not blessed to be irish about the only thing I know of similar to this would be yodeling lol. From a few movies and some singers like Dolly Parton and Jewel lol. Movies would be Another You with Gene Wilder and the sound of music lol
But oddly enough when I'm working or cleaning and bored of it I'll do both randomly just to cheer me up and keep me motivated.
Every culture does this, it’s not an Irish exclusive. Whether it’s humming or just none-sense, you don’t need to be Irish to understand it, all people do it.
Talk to some people who play Scottish bagpipes. In the "classical" big music called Ceol Mor (which means big music) they'll use Canntaireachd to teach a Piobaireachd, which is a very long piece of slow piping music. There are specific syllables that relate to notes and embellishments. But, to really get to the mouth music aspect more like lilting, ask a good piper to sing you a march, reel or jig and they'll have very percussive syllables to bang it out. daga daga tacum hrummm hee hadadum bri ta ho dro hee and such. A good piper can "lilt" a tune to another piper and the recipient piper will have a good idea of how to play not only the melody but get pretty close to the gracenotes and embellishments that the written tune would have.
Yeah and for some groups and some instruments and some songs were actually made illegal by the English. It certainly doesn't cover the whole history and there's a lot more to it than that simple statement but that is a part of Irish history.
I actually had this in my script originally but I cut it out because I couldn’t find any evidence for it, if you can find something that would be great!
@@Oscopo It sounds similar to the old myth that Irish dancing doesn't use arms to hide from the English. It doesn't make much sense.
@@qwertyTRiG Catholic church services (incl. church music obviously) was banned. Education of Catholics and school attendance was banned. Sending Catholic children abroad for education was banned. The effects of such laws are pretty obvious and the consequences make absolute sense. Logically, the enforcement of these laws by the British administration would minimise attainment of musical instrument skills among the general Catholic population. Therefore lilting was the alternative expression of innate desire for musical communication. A list of the main Penal laws is easily obtainable via search engines or library, if you don't believe this true.
Lilting still plays a huge role in Irish dancing today! you'd be hard-pressed to find a dance teacher today who doesn't lilt in some form. You hear it all the time, both to replicate the actual music and to eventuate rhythms and help dancers to hear them
This is singing! Making music with your voice is singing. Everyone sang and danced until very recently... Part of being a regular human... doing boring work you hum and sing... celebrating you dance and make music....