I just heard this on my vast music collection...I mean How Fu****** good i this? One of the greatest chillout tunes there is The person who wrote this is a genious musically.. I hope they are appreciated and credited for such magical piece of music
Azatoth was a genius in his day. All that coding and a SUPERB soundtrack ! These 2 skills usually don't go hand in hand and such a combination at this high level was never repeated or execeeded to my knowledge. Belongs in the Top 10 of Best Amiga demos ever
When this was released my mate had binned his 500 and moved on to the A1200. I just re-watched this and at that bit I could have sworn that the missiles missed there target. Glad to know I didn't imagine that.
April 1993 and Kefrens, Amiga 600 and Desert Dream!! Daily if i started my Amiga 600, first what i must to do, was to see this demo .... then i was able to play Agony, Walker or Shadow of the Beast x)
Don't forget, this ran off an Amiga 3.5" DD floppy disc. That means 880k max (uncompressed). One of the boasting points was that this ran on a stock A500 and had mostly was realtime rendering and visuals, not simply playing an animation, but actually doing 3-D, texture mapping, and rotating picture zooming! Since the Amiga was basically a mulitprocessing computer, it could load new data from the floppy, play music, and certain video effects without needing to burden the 7 mhz microprocessor.
Kefrens was one of the best! I hope those dudes still work together! Was always waiting for the Phenomena/Kefrens/Rebels/Melon demos in that timeage. I miss Red Sector ;-)
@BlackStarEOP You are still active in the scene. That is great! Here in Portugal, at those times, almost no one knew what the scene was about, so It was hard to meet people with the same interests. I've allways been a tracker without a group :) . Downloading your demo Deception of Gain as we speak :)
Takes me back, are we all really this old? No one I speak to knows about these good old days. Then, of course, there's the ol' Spectrum PD demo's to trawl through too! So, so good all of them! If these guys are around we should get them to do a long video and album in celebration of their talents!
Second Reality was the Demo that inspired me to become tracker. First with Modedit using PC Speaker. Then I saved money for a Sound Blaster 16 and went to Scream Tracker 3. Made a couple .S3M and Adlib tracks. Then I went to Fast Tracker 2.08 and never looked for another music production software. Good old times
The most amazing thing to me is that all this sound and video fitted on a 880 KB 3,5" floppy... The youtube video is like 20,8MB in size and is of a lower quality....
there is a secret part in this demo. how to access it: Boot disc two and wait for the screen to fade into black. Press both mousebuttons along with the fire butten on your joystick to access the first hidden part.
@patriktofflan You forget the emulator I used (winUAE) plays the demo "live", by programming, not by any source video. A higher resolution is possible because in the Amiga days we had no bigger monitors, or hardware to support a higher resolution. This is best seen in my video when watching the 1.2.3. - 12,000 dots part.
@Snowwie88 You cannot overcome the resolution limitations of the Amiga chipset WinUAE emulates without breaking the software you run - like this demo. The Amiga was never resolution limited by the size of the monitors back in the days. However, you are right that something is off with my upload and this shows very well in the 1.2.3.. 12.000 dots part - I am loosing vertical pixels. The reason is that parts of this demo uses PAL Highres (non interlaced) 640x256,
The music in part 2 is almost better. I was at The Gathering 93 when this demo won, and i think they got the most expensive price ever at The Gathering too. A coincidence maybe, but a inner ten. I was wathing this demo live for the first time on a big screen at that party. Most demoes since this demo is mostly pre-calulations and shit, and not handmade in assembler like Desert Dream. This demo shows true programming skills.
@c0v3n4n7 Yes, but the scene is different from what it was back then. The Breakpoint 2010 page explains it properly. One word of warning, Deception of Gain really sucks :D It was our first attempt at a demo, and we didn't know anything back then. It was about 10% done when we released it. It can be found on youtube if you search for 'DeceptionOfGain' Next big scene event is Revision 2012 :)
@c0v3n4n7 @c0v3n4n7 Awesome :) Second Reality was the demo that inspired me to become a programmer. I did some pascal then became a musician using Impulse Tracker. My old 386 had an AWE64 card so it was hardware accelerated. Then when I met our musician we did only music till 2005, where I decided to quit the music and go back to programming. At Breakpoint 2010 we released Deception of Gain , our first demo. Now we're writing our second demo for Revision 2012.
@Snowwie88 Because the demo is in an Amiga PAL lowres resolution - 320x256 (a bit more with oversan), it is rather pointless to scale it to 1080p before you upload it. That will even worsen the image quality, as there will then be two scalings applied in most cases - the one from Amiga resolution to 1080p before upload and then a scaling in the youtube player to whatever resolution you are viewing it in.
So it was wrong by me to assume that the demo only used PAL Lowres for all scenes (and I blatantly missed it when checking the video afterwards). This is the reason your video looks so much better in those scenes - no missing pixels.
The processor had only 1.8mhz or something. The fastest command took 4 cycles, so... you have to divide 7 by that. The bus speed was 3.6 mhz that was the important thing. PCs needed quite some time before they had the same bus speed. Anyway, this demo doesn't make that much use of the blitter. It does however make critical use of the copper bplcon0 trick (which comes very close to an animation really, I mean having copperlists of some kb is pretty similar to having an animation.)
Always thought this sound a bit like Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd (if you listen to the part of the song where the lead guitar solo is, the chord progression is very similar)
I also want to use this platform to address Patrick Tufvesson (err... no, the family name is probably incorrect, anyway better known as Mahoney) and say this: You know, you always wanted to be a real musician like the Pet Shop Boys? Go figure... real musicians of nowadays seem to want to copy the Amiga demo musical style. And thx to Kaktus for "The optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears that that is actually true." One of my all time favorites!
This 240p video is instead a non-scaled pixel-mapped upload. I cropped away 16 pixels of vertical res to match a the standard youtube resolution 240p to avoid the video being scaled by the youtube upload converter. This way the only scaling that is applied is the one in the youtube player. However, this is a very old upload, from the days you uploaded videos to youtube in mpeg4 and then the file size limits were rather restricted, so these videos suffers quite badly from compression artifacts.
At 4:06 the picture is the same for the cover of the album "Stone Cold Sober" from a german trash metal band, and the album was released in 1992, only the letters at the bottom of the picture are differents.. strange.
Always a favorite - I remember downloading this back when it came out - still blows me away :). Interesting bugs in this demo - if you didn't run it on a cycle exact A500 (ie a Pal A500 with no fast ram) the missles miss their target, also some white lines show up in the dot section. Maybe thats what I get for having an A4000.
Sanity has many good demos so I won't mention anything in particular (it kills me that Chaos went to the Wedel Technical University at the same time as a class mate of mine, whereas I was at the UH), but this demo surely sticks out too: /watch?v=dQYMYJm5WjY
@aga060 well...they really died way before that :) the Kefrens that made this prod stole the name from a previous disbanded group that made some megademos...melon design didnt take to kindle to that(the melon reference). A fuckings you just gotta love them
I've never been much into the amiga scene so i've never seen this demo... The music is a lot like the music in second reality in some parts, i wonder who borrowed from who :)
Great music, nice use of the bplcon0 (or 1?... it's been some time) register for the pudding effect also. My favorite demo? Well... one of my favorites. I really like Sanity's demos too... and the Razor 1911 demo that annoys UAE with its totally unnecessary use of the CIA-B event counter to prohibit faster processors (which is completely idiotic since it runs on faster processors and the later effects look considerably better with them (you know this logo zoomer)... that one had great music too
Or even 6 cycles instead of 10. I'd have to look that up again. dbf takes 10 cycles in one case or in both, I remember that though. Truth is I never used dbf, I think, and the only possible reason seems to be that something like subq.w #1,d0 bne.s loop is faster on average (perhaps 10 cycles when taken, whereas dbf in that case needed 12, but I'm not sure). Well, perhaps there's another reason, namely that counting down by 1 is inappropriate and something like subq.w #4,d0 is more efficient.
However, a video upload in 640x256 (ofcourse the correct aspect ratio needs to be set, it might be simpler to pre-double to 640x512 and I would still crop to 640x240 respective 640x480 to avoid the youtube converter going bananas), will still look better than your 1080p version as there will just be one scaling applied.
"Anders Emil Hansen". Se evt csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=14&topicid=65453&showallposts=1 søg efter "2009-04-08 14:58" - der får du en (gammel) opsummering af hvad han har lavet sidenhen.
I just heard this on my vast music collection...I mean How Fu****** good i this?
One of the greatest chillout tunes there is
The person who wrote this is a genious musically.. I hope they are appreciated and credited for such magical piece of music
Azatoth was a genius in his day.
All that coding and a SUPERB soundtrack !
These 2 skills usually don't go hand in hand and such a combination at this high level was never repeated or execeeded to my knowledge.
Belongs in the Top 10 of Best Amiga demos ever
My fave amiga demo, brilliant music and visuals.
A beautiful work of art, second to none.
One of classic Amiga demos... never be forgotten!
Still my favourite amiga demo of all time, thanks for uploading :)
4 channel of tracker music and you get this... I love it and have made some covers of this score during the years. I like many miss the Amiga days ;)
When this was released my mate had binned his 500 and moved on to the A1200. I just re-watched this and at that bit I could have sworn that the missiles missed there target. Glad to know I didn't imagine that.
April 1993 and Kefrens, Amiga 600 and Desert Dream!! Daily if i started my Amiga 600, first what i must to do, was to see this demo .... then i was able to play Agony, Walker or Shadow of the Beast x)
I see all these 15 year old comments and laugh you guys are all awesome ! Long live the tracker!
The Greatest Sound Track For A Demo . . . . . . . Ever!
My own fafourite demo at all time... put's smile on my face!!!
The music is outstanding. One of my favorites.
Don't forget, this ran off an Amiga 3.5" DD floppy disc. That means 880k max (uncompressed). One of the boasting points was that this ran on a stock A500 and had mostly was realtime rendering and visuals, not simply playing an animation, but actually doing 3-D, texture mapping, and rotating picture zooming!
Since the Amiga was basically a mulitprocessing computer, it could load new data from the floppy, play music, and certain video effects without needing to burden the 7 mhz microprocessor.
Kefrens was one of the best! I hope those dudes still work together! Was always waiting for the Phenomena/Kefrens/Rebels/Melon demos in that timeage. I miss Red Sector ;-)
IIRC, must be an old pal (Thomas aka Scud) favorite demo (among them, if not the absolute fav).
Giving me the shivers once again.
music is just awesome, cant stop listening it
@BlackStarEOP You are still active in the scene. That is great! Here in Portugal, at those times, almost no one knew what the scene was about, so It was hard to meet people with the same interests. I've allways been a tracker without a group :) . Downloading your demo Deception of Gain as we speak :)
Takes me back, are we all really this old? No one I speak to knows about these good old days. Then, of course, there's the ol' Spectrum PD demo's to trawl through too! So, so good all of them! If these guys are around we should get them to do a long video and album in celebration of their talents!
My best Amiga years...
Awesome, thanks for posting this one.. I literally made a jump into my memories.
An all time CLASSIC! Wish the drive on my 500 still worked.
Second Reality was the Demo that inspired me to become tracker. First with Modedit using PC Speaker. Then I saved money for a Sound Blaster 16 and went to Scream Tracker 3. Made a couple .S3M and Adlib tracks. Then I went to Fast Tracker 2.08 and never looked for another music production software. Good old times
One of the best ever.
The legend already exited.
Thank you for probably the most informative youtube comment ever. Fun story :)
The most amazing thing to me is that all this sound and video fitted on a 880 KB 3,5" floppy...
The youtube video is like 20,8MB in size and is of a lower quality....
a piece of magic...
just love this demo, brings back memories:D
this music rocks!
Sill a great demo 27 years later.
there is a secret part in this demo. how to access it: Boot disc two and wait for the screen to fade into black. Press both mousebuttons along with the fire butten on your joystick to access the first hidden part.
Second Reality has so much influence from this demo.
The .mod of this demo is one of the best 4 chan tracks ever. Hail Kefrens
Hell this IS the best demo. And the part when the saw hits... yummy!!
Awesome music. Part 2 is even better.
desert dream on amiga was released in april 1993.
second reality on pc was released in august 1993.
@patriktofflan
You forget the emulator I used (winUAE) plays the demo "live", by programming, not by any source video. A higher resolution is possible because in the Amiga days we had no bigger monitors, or hardware to support a higher resolution. This is best seen in my video when watching the 1.2.3. - 12,000 dots part.
@Snowwie88
You cannot overcome the resolution limitations of the Amiga chipset WinUAE emulates without breaking the software you run - like this demo. The Amiga was never resolution limited by the size of the monitors back in the days.
However, you are right that something is off with my upload and this shows very well in the 1.2.3.. 12.000 dots part - I am loosing vertical pixels. The reason is that parts of this demo uses PAL Highres (non interlaced) 640x256,
@fcycles You are right. Both Demos are awesome.
Respect too the old amiga days
this is my fucking 10000th refresh of this video, and im still fuckin; impressed .... and this awesome music tunes my brain to proper frequency ....
The music in part 2 is almost better. I was at The Gathering 93 when this demo won, and i think they got the most expensive price ever at The Gathering too. A coincidence maybe, but a inner ten. I was wathing this demo live for the first time on a big screen at that party.
Most demoes since this demo is mostly pre-calulations and shit, and not handmade in assembler like Desert Dream. This demo shows true programming skills.
@c0v3n4n7 Yes, but the scene is different from what it was back then. The Breakpoint 2010 page explains it properly. One word of warning, Deception of Gain really sucks :D It was our first attempt at a demo, and we didn't know anything back then. It was about 10% done when we released it. It can be found on youtube if you search for 'DeceptionOfGain' Next big scene event is Revision 2012 :)
@c0v3n4n7 @c0v3n4n7 Awesome :) Second Reality was the demo that inspired me to become a programmer. I did some pascal then became a musician using Impulse Tracker. My old 386 had an AWE64 card so it was hardware accelerated. Then when I met our musician we did only music till 2005, where I decided to quit the music and go back to programming. At Breakpoint 2010 we released Deception of Gain , our first demo. Now we're writing our second demo for Revision 2012.
LOVE!!!
The real meaning of life is to become a legend ....
Sure I remember FC. Skaven and Purple Motion were the ones that got me into tracking. Good old scene days
Yes, it is the best demo track
best demo EVER!
Don't forget Cannon Fodder, The Settlers, North & South, Pinball Dreams and Shuffle Puck Café.
@Snowwie88
Because the demo is in an Amiga PAL lowres resolution - 320x256 (a bit more with oversan), it is rather pointless to scale it to 1080p before you upload it. That will even worsen the image quality, as there will then be two scalings applied in most cases - the one from Amiga resolution to 1080p before upload and then a scaling in the youtube player to whatever resolution you are viewing it in.
Beautiful and even the more impressive on the C64.
@dudechesterdesigner
yes.. it is!
Legend
"Laxity's" band Live.. He was the main coder and musician in this demo. He is the vocal in this band.
th-cam.com/video/7ka0RGvdiS4/w-d-xo.html
So it was wrong by me to assume that the demo only used PAL Lowres for all scenes (and I blatantly missed it when checking the video afterwards). This is the reason your video looks so much better in those scenes - no missing pixels.
The processor had only 1.8mhz or something. The fastest command took 4 cycles, so... you have to divide 7 by that. The bus speed was 3.6 mhz that was the important thing. PCs needed quite some time before they had the same bus speed.
Anyway, this demo doesn't make that much use of the blitter. It does however make critical use of the copper bplcon0 trick (which comes very close to an animation really, I mean having copperlists of some kb is pretty similar to having an animation.)
Best! Demo! Ever! :D
jasne magiel
!!!!
Always thought this sound a bit like Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd (if you listen to the part of the song where the lead guitar solo is, the chord progression is very similar)
As demos go.. I say nothing .. and there are some damn good demos for amiga. But the music ? Damn
I also want to use this platform to address Patrick Tufvesson (err... no, the family name is probably incorrect, anyway better known as Mahoney) and say this:
You know, you always wanted to be a real musician like the Pet Shop Boys? Go figure... real musicians of nowadays seem to want to copy the Amiga demo musical style.
And thx to Kaktus for "The optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears that that is actually true." One of my all time favorites!
This 240p video is instead a non-scaled pixel-mapped upload. I cropped away 16 pixels of vertical res to match a the standard youtube resolution 240p to avoid the video being scaled by the youtube upload converter.
This way the only scaling that is applied is the one in the youtube player.
However, this is a very old upload, from the days you uploaded videos to youtube in mpeg4 and then the file size limits were rather restricted, so these videos suffers quite badly from compression artifacts.
@c0v3n4n7 They admitted that they were heavily influenced by Amiga demos :) It still remains an awesome piece of hardware.
Agree 100%
At 4:06 the picture is the same for the cover of the album "Stone Cold Sober" from a german trash metal band, and the album was released in 1992, only the letters at the bottom of the picture are differents..
strange.
epic music
Always a favorite - I remember downloading this back when it came out - still blows me away :).
Interesting bugs in this demo - if you didn't run it on a cycle exact A500 (ie a Pal A500 with no fast ram) the missles miss their target, also some white lines show up in the dot section. Maybe thats what I get for having an A4000.
The programmer and composer plays/writes rock nowadays :)
His band - on facebook slash killingsaltchemicals
All this from a floppy disk. Can any one remember if it was one disk or two ran at the same time? I was a bit young!
You are so right, It's Laxity ... I'm getting old and sloppy at 37 years of age.
hell yeah:))))
Sanity has many good demos so I won't mention anything in particular (it kills me that Chaos went to the Wedel Technical University at the same time as a class mate of mine, whereas I was at the UH), but this demo surely sticks out too: /watch?v=dQYMYJm5WjY
Time for a re-capture and reupload!
i actually got this demo on my old amiga1200 standing in my closet:DD
just what i thought too!.. Laxity is the god!.
@aga060 well...they really died way before that :) the Kefrens that made this prod stole the name from a previous disbanded group that made some megademos...melon design didnt take to kindle to that(the melon reference).
A fuckings you just gotta love them
I've never been much into the amiga scene so i've never seen this demo... The music is a lot like the music in second reality in some parts, i wonder who borrowed from who :)
God damn I love this demo!
Where is Laxity today ? Is he making music or a famous developer somewhere?
@wabeti
the last demo from kefrens was released in 1994.
THEY ARE DEAD.
@thetruemetroid Well, there was another group called Melon Dezign, maybe it is a reference to some rivalry between those two groups?
Great music, nice use of the bplcon0 (or 1?... it's been some time) register for the pudding effect also.
My favorite demo? Well... one of my favorites. I really like Sanity's demos too... and the Razor 1911 demo that annoys UAE with its totally unnecessary use of the CIA-B event counter to prohibit faster processors (which is completely idiotic since it runs on faster processors and the later effects look considerably better with them (you know this logo zoomer)... that one had great music too
the picture search to be specific.
Hum.. Have you ever heard Future Crew - Second Reality? Although a PC Demo. Also the creators of the later upcoming Max Payne!
super demo with atack rack :)
GOD < .mod
Or even 6 cycles instead of 10. I'd have to look that up again. dbf takes 10 cycles in one case or in both, I remember that though. Truth is I never used dbf, I think, and the only possible reason seems to be that something like
subq.w #1,d0
bne.s loop
is faster on average (perhaps 10 cycles when taken, whereas dbf in that case needed 12, but I'm not sure).
Well, perhaps there's another reason, namely that counting down by 1 is inappropriate and something like subq.w #4,d0 is more efficient.
However, a video upload in 640x256 (ofcourse the correct aspect ratio needs to be set, it might be simpler to pre-double to 640x512 and I would still crop to 640x240 respective 640x480 to avoid the youtube converter going bananas), will still look better than your 1080p version as there will just be one scaling applied.
Was deffo a 2 disker.
Is there anyway to get the .MOD of this track?
Best demomusic ever.
Simulation theory of course
Laxity Rulez!
...no play...
(Too much work indeed. And soon the sun rises again. John's day isn't far...)
I loved this demo when it first came out! Laxity was my idol! Does anyone know his real identity?
"Anders Emil Hansen". Se evt csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=14&topicid=65453&showallposts=1 søg efter "2009-04-08 14:58" - der får du en (gammel) opsummering af hvad han har lavet sidenhen.
@thetruemetroid Because a banana would look silly!
explosive watermelon
doooooooooooooooh ;)
head over to amigaremix, they got a lot of new desertdream remixes
amigaremix[dot]com there are some good remixes of this tune.
Kinda shit to say Hardwired has better music etc.. because both are epic