Ex-Zodiac Review and Early Access Feedback || Is It The New Star Fox?
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- Ex-Zodiac Review and Early Access Feedback || Is It The New Star Fox? The story of the rail shooter genre has been tragic. Despite having some major early successes like Star Fox 64 and Sin and Punishment, the genre has basically faded away since the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox era. Most rail shooters we see today are made through the lens of nostalgia or just as a fun novelty. I have been very much looking forward to seeing what Ex-Zodiac (an indie take on the Star Fox series) has to offer. Is it a bold new step forward for the genre? Is it a sign that we might see a renewed interest in this heavily looked over genre? Or is it another throw-back style game that's more geared toward imitation rather than innovation? In today's video I dig into my thoughts on Ex-Zodiac and since the game is in early access, also provide my feedback on the game and some ideas on how it could be improved. This will be a really interesting case because I rarely have the opportunity to comment on a game while it's still being developed. Fans of Star Fox SNES, Star Fox 64, Star Fox Zero, Sin and Pushment, Sin and Punishment 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, and REZ are definitely going to be interested in seeing what this game brings to the table. Currently it is on Steam, but I would not be surprised to see the final version also appearing on Nintendo Switch, PS5/PS4 and the Xbox series.
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Ehy Mark, wearing those thick sunglasses to reference James McCloud is a very nice touch! Devil is in the details!
Glad you picked up on that! Yes the glasses on every star fox related video is a must! Expert mode only
Man this makes me want to play Star Fox. Star Fox SNES was one of the very first games I ever beat, I absolutely loved it, and it blew my mind as a kid. I played the hell out of the 64 version as well, it was equally amazing.
yes gotta fire up some star fox 64 right now, go! XD
I love them both
I wish someone would mod the snes music into 64.
Star Successor is one of my favorite rail shooters along with Star Fox 64 and the original arcade Space Harrier! Maybe even Panzer Dragoon and aorta to a point
Star successor is a beast, such an innovative game even to this day. Don't sleep on sin 1 though :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground I love the first one lol!! But the controls on the original N64 take some getting used to which made me enjoy Star Successor more haha. Honestly mostly anything Treasure does is fantastic tho
You may love Star Fox Zero, if you haven’t played it, my favorite one.
Panzer Dragoon II is 🤌🏼
Have you checked out Yu Suzuki's new rail shooter Air Twister yet? As the man behind Space Harrier he's kind of the father of the genre, he's definitely returning to his roots there.
Oh snap I haven't! I hope it s good!
Whaaaa. Need to see this. Let's hope there's a rail shooter revival.
Edit just checked it, looks a bit crappy imo much prefer the look of ex zodiac.
@@eazyratit looks a bit shitty and isn’t great because of the mobile shot but the music is really good. Worth checking out if you do an Apple Arcade free trial
Alright Mark your turn. Every rail shooter ranked and reviewed! Haha. Seriously though you clearly have a love and appreciation for them and are the right person for it. I never got into the subgenre nearly as much. At a minimum a top 10 would likely be easy for you.
That s a great idea!!!! Yeah I should def make that video soon! I think there are a lot of hidden gems out there in the genre that even I need to dig up ha! Over the past few months I think sin and punishment 1 keeps creeping higher and higher on my list, but then there is the beast star successor! Yeah that would be a fun vid for sure! :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground Id be curious what you end up thinking of Panorama Cotton. Much more typical rail shooter nothing like Star Fox. If you ever do play it skip the recent emulated version as it’s got some issues. Better to just emulate the mega drive original. Sunsoft made some great games back then. It really plays very much like a Cotton game where they tried to incorporate most of the mechanics of the side scrolling games into it. So there’s complexity there and not just a typical fly, dodge and shoot
@@ShmupJunkie Really? Ok, you sold me on Panorama Cotton.
@@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 You should check out the short segment I did for it in the mega drive shooters video. It’s incredibly impressive for the system.
@@ShmupJunkie yeah I was shocked how many rail shooters you dug up on your megadrive vid! Afterburner looked really interesting too
A review of Panzer Dragoon Orta would be cool, they say its the best rail shooter ever made.
I haven't played it myself, but wrt the density of stages and using boost, one way to go about it might be to have a stage time bonus that encourages the use of boosts and adjust the balance (in terms of score bonus, enemy density, and boost recovery) so that you are forced to choose between going faster or destroying all enemies.
nice video!
That would be a really cool way to build the score system!
Brief Airforce nerd moment here just to clear things up, the barrel roll looks like you're swirling around while going forward like the shape of a corkscrew, while the aileron roll is what Peppy calls the "Barrel Roll". There's a whole bunch of fancy aircraft terms for evasive and show off maneuvers and they can be a pain to remember them all (I'm looking at you cobra maneuver. Do it, I dare you, make yourself an easier target in that Su-57 for my autocannon to shred you like a potato chip you flying Dorito!)
The original Star Fox does have wing damage. So is 64 on normal mode. I also think having damaged wings replaced the laser power ups with a wing repair power up
Yep I knew normal mode 64 has wing damage but you need to ram it a good amount so it s not a big deal, in expert mode though one hit and the wing blows off :-)
I love rail shooters. Let’s hope we are about to see the resurgence
I love third person rail shooters. They’re one of my favourite genres. This game looks like it seems content at being safe. If you’re going to take Star Fox’s identity at least evolve it as you said otherwise do something completely different. Star Fox, Sin and Punishment and Panzer Dragoon are all in the same genre but feel distinct from another. It’s giving me Metroid Dread and Blazing Chrome flashbacks. Good games but also unsatisfying because they feel too safe.
Yes I think this a is wide trend in indies right now, ties in with my nostalgia vid actually. Where the past is looked at as un matched, so the best thing that can be done is to mimic it, rather than push it s ideas further
I actually downloaded the demo when I first got my new gaming PC. Game is a pleasant surprise. The controls are slightly different from Starfox, there is a some getting used to, but once you adjust to the learning curve, you'll feel right at home. As a 90s kid, I couldn't have asked for anything better.
It will be interesting to see how the final version turns out :-)
Everytime mark where his's glasses in a video it makes me so happy
Ha glad to hear it!!! Gotta have them on for anything remotely star fox related ;-)
The remark that it's ok/good for these types of shooters to have more enemies than players can kill to create complexity/routing options is a good observation. Though I think using enemies as such for that is non-ideal. A lot of games (including S&P and SF) have tons of destructible scenery elements/secrets which have the same effect but without the slight feeling disappointment that comes from letting enemies escape your wrath. Light gun shooters also have headshot/limb hit bonuses and what not. It's definitely an important aspect of gameplay since it creates routing, variety between runs & sometimes on the fly decision making.
It's def an important balancing act. If you have too much enemy overflow then it just becomes frustrating and chaotic, but if you don't have enough now your game is limited and it's depth is shallow (like star fox snes). I think Sin and Punishment does a great job at having just enough enemies to keep you grasping but not so many that it's overwhelming and a complete mess ha.
Great observation
Ex-Zodiac actually does have its own scoring system with kill chains. Kill enemies as fast as you can, don't let the chain drop. Not as in-depth as 64, but it is unique from Star Fox.
Actually that does also lend into the game's level design as well and what really separates it from Star Fox. With Star Fox, you're encouraged to slow down in some densely packed areas and get everything you can while you're there. Whereas Ex-Zodiac's kill chain scoring system encourages you to go as fast as possible to not let the chain drop. The areas by extension can be more sparse because you're not spending as much time there.
There are a couple of old DOS games that need modern releases or reboots. Jazz Jackrabbit and Tyrian 2000. Love those games, they are still fantastic and hold up today even.
I recommend playing Black Rock Shooter The Game (for PSP). It's not necessarily a rail shooter, but sorta feels like that.
Oh cool! I've never heard of this game before
"The barrel roll is when you do the loop" - That goes against the definitions of barrel roll and loop aeronautic maneuvers
You know what I mean, don't get overly technical. it's a loop like maneuver, rather than the side spin
First, I saw images of this game and I was captivated, then I saw a gif and I was amazed and later I tried the demo and I said to myself "yes, damn! the spiritual successor of the great Star Fox!!!".
I fucking love the first Star Fox. 64 may be better, but I LOVE how everything is so extremely well designed and condensed, in the Snes game.
I have to buy Ex-Zodiac sooner rather than later.
Yep, it's been on my wishlist ever since I first discovered it via the "New & Upcoming" Steam queue. This game looks absolutely amazing.
Yes looking forward to see how the final version turns out
I really like the presentation of this game; it does a great job at emulating the aesthetics and gamefeel of SF1 but smoothing out all the rough edges.
That said, I totally agree with your criticisms re 1) power-up removal, 2) enemy sparseness and 3) the weird jolting-stop effect when you get hit in the Space Harrier stages.
I also noticed two things that I don't think came up in your discussion. First is that I had a number of times where I felt like depth perception was an issue where it shouldn't have been; a number of times in boss fights a bullet that I thought had passed me swung back around from off-screen and hit me. I don't remember ever having that issue with SF64; when a bullet was off-screen, it was basically gone. Second, I noticed some popcorn enemies - particular on the bike stage - took multiple lock-on missiles to kill. It's pretty unsatisfying as a player to have that happen with weak enemies, and it feels like having more enemies with fewer HP would be more satisfying.
P.S. Did you ever try out Xenocider, the indie-developed "Sin & Punishment"-like that came out for Dreamcast last year? I personally had mixed feelings after buying a physical copy, but it comes out on Steam in a month or so if you wanted to try it them you'll able to get it for a much more reasonable price.
Oh great observation on some of the boss depth issues, I noticed that as well I think on the worm was it was hard to tell when the worm was going to hit the player. I haven't tried the game you mentioned but I will keep an eye out for the stream version, sounds interesting
Guy at work told me about this game. We both love rail shooters. Just played that Space Harrier section in Bayonetta. Makes me so badly want a big budget rail shooter. ( haven’t play Star Fox Zero)
Me too!! I want to see a really polished rail shooter in powerful graphics. Zero has great fundimentals but the level design is all over the place
I'm already loving what Ex-Zodiac's delivering, it's like a combination of two of the best N64 games (Sin & Punishment and Star Fox 64).
Love sin and punishment. what elements remind you of sin and punishment?
@@TheElectricUnderground In a way the motorcycle and Space Harrier segments.
I put a lot of thought into Star Fox 64's charge shot and all range mode after my initial dabble with Ex-Zodiac as well. I came to the personal conclusion that these elements are part of SF64's identity as opposed to rail shooters in general, and I think Ex-Zodiac shouldn't go too far into being a SF clone. That said, I don't think it's doing enough of its own thing either. Like you said, it's playing it safe. Some more scoring depth or similar nuance would be nice, if nothing else.
The lock-on in particular just did not win me. I love SF64's lock-on for its scoring game. I love Panzer Dragoon and Rez's lock-ons for their flashiness, destruction and adaptability. I love Sin & Punishment's lock-on for its accessibility factor and that feeling of being a snappy quick-draw badass. The Ex-Zodiac lock-on felt a little bit superfluous to me. It seems it was trying to be a PD/Rez lock-on, but it didn't quite hit that mark for me. I was locking on to things and then thinking "man, I coulda just shot those". As I played more, I could tell there were places it was the better option, but it ultimately lacked that potent sense of fantasy, power and purpose I was looking for.
Yeah I didn't mention it in the review but if you turbo fire with an upgrade lock on seems like a waste of time. I def know what you mean about having it s own identity with lock on and such, but since the game is so clearly lifting from star fox in so many areas (including marketing) I think might as well go all the way, no need to back out in the finer details
Lové the look of the game, reminds me of Starblade. I agree about enemy count. Looking forward to the final version.
Yeah the game has a cool style :-)
Hell yeah with getting all the medals in expert starfox. I remember sector z took me forever to get in expert...so many times I had to reroute to that stage to try and grab it.
Oh yeah sector Z is such a pain to medal, the rng of your stupid allies killing the missles is a pain
Didn’t check all the comments but you can snap your wings in StarFox SNES
This game is so good, especially if you're an old school Star Fox fan :) It is definitely more of a remake of the original Star Fox than Star Fox 64, so it's interesting hearing the take from a fan who was more of a 64 fan than the original. I was always more a fan of the original since I never played 64 growing up.
Also they had a wing system in Star Fox SNES too actually. It originated in that game, so there not being one in Ex-Zodiac feels a bit strange.
Good point on the wing system being in og, I was a little hazy on the details of that but that further supports the idea that it should be in zodiac as well if it is in both SNES and 64 :-)
Dude so awesome. I didn’t even know. Nice beard too bro I’m jealous
Thanks so much! :-D
Star Fox start up section is Epic WAAAY back when I bought the cart I remember the Jet fighters wizzzing down the lounch strip DooDooDoo Dar Doo, Dor Doo Dar Doo Doo Doo .......deeer, da der taa.... The sounds track more than any shooter got me ready for Battle .... If the sound track is Great their half way there .... prob to late to tell the dev's this but blowing parts off a ship or monsters say arms, legs makes for a great game, like R Type Mother ship .. blowing bits off before the kill, BIG Monsters that take time to Kill (Giant Snake)... Big Motherships with chunks to shoot off ... that after the kill gives you a WOW great game feel..people will not mind spending time on a good Kill ........
I love the og star fox ost, it s one of my fav video game soundtracks actually. Funky but rocks at the same time
Cool review 😎. I've had my eye on this game for a long time now. Being a big ol' starfox 64 fan. Went and bought a nintendo subscription just to relive the glory days. Me and my kid took turns to beat it again like 60 times 🤣.
I might wait until after early access but it looks promising! Wish more rail shooters would come out.
me too we need more rail shooters! I am hoping indie devs can start catching up with the genre more on a technical level
@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah. Must be tough. I think like 30 people or something worked on Starfox when I last checked the credits 🤣.
One thing that I didn't think of is that Starfox uses a life bar and lives system which I thought was interesting going back to it. It also has a extremely simple scoring system which I personally loved as a kid.
What do you think about that?
Starfox SNES does have a wing system. My friend thought the game said Brain Damage when one of his wings broke off, it makes it harder to do a barrel roll
That s right ha, I was a little more fuzzy on the SNES version and it it has wing damage, makes it even a bigger oversight not to have it I'd say
Starfox 64 was a masterpiece and I've always been disappointed that it never had a proper continuation. I also medal'ed expert on 64 and it was like my biggest achievement as a kid. It was super rewarding to show off the extra characters on multiplayer mode(tank and humanoid).
Been looking forward to this game, big fan of SF64. Apparently the Dev is planning branching paths. For a solo Dev the quality is definitely there, but I do agree about the powerups and specifically not carrying them over between stages- In SF SNES/64 that was a subtle reward for not losing your wings or dying. On the other hand, I can understand the balancing reason for starting each stage fresh, less to factor into the difficulty.
The scoring seems to definitely encourage shooting everything since you're specifically graded on it, so not sure if more enemies would hinder that. I find the bombs fairly useless since there are so few enemies, there's never enough of a crowd for its function as crowd control!
Great analysis! Yes I think powerup carry is the way to go. The grading system seems a little linear rather than as open as 64. And yes more enemies please
Nice review! I've been looking forward to this game since I like rail shooters, though admittedly I haven't played too many (I like the Panzer Dragoon games a lot but somehow never finished S&P or SF64). Also, I agree it'd be cool if more rail shooters would come out that built on SF64 and other later games in the genre, even if what this game is going for looks pretty nice.
Yeah I think the genre should not just settle into a mindset of covering old hits, but rather pushing forward where the classics left off
@@TheElectricUnderground Part of me wonders if the Ace Combat games are comparable enough to what SF64 is doing (at least with all range mode) and could be a source for inspiration, even if that series would be classified as a different thing from rail shooters.
This game now has two all range mode levels!
Bombs suddenly way more useful as enemies mosquito you
VR has quite a lot of Rail Shooters, Archangel being one of them, there could be more. Also there's Yuki, the VR shmup :) not played that one but it looks interesting
That sounds interesting! I personally don't have much interest in VR due to it making me puke literally ha 🤮
Aw man, that sucks :) I love VR but I've got friends that can't stomach it and it's such a shame!
Hopefully they'll sort it out in the future :)
Finally just picked this up, anxious to check it out.
It's pretty fun, but still feels unfinished and a little clunky
@@TheElectricUnderground It's pretty fun overall. I do agree they could power you up more though.
If shmups were killed in their prime. Rail shooters were snuffed out in the cradle.
That s a great way to put it! Sad, but accurate ha
Wasn't expecting a game like this. Thanks for the video. I just bought the game for me and my friend. I'd love if this was coop.
Yeah rail shooter tend not to have co op which is interesting! I think zero is the one of the few that does
Thanks for the video. What are your 3 favorite rail shooters and light gun shooters? Thanks
Sin and punishment 1, sin and punishment 2, and star fox 64 :-)
There is a burst fire mechanic. When you tap once, you shoot 3 bullets.
I just double checked and you are right ha, it s so small though I didn't notice it. So I ll amend what I said to say that it needs to be a longer burst, you still end up doing a lot of mashing. Also thank you for pointing this out, I've gone ahead and trimmed out this section since the game does technically have one, even if it is really short ha.
Rail shooters seem to be an incredibly rare genre in general. Some were made in the early arcade 3d era, when developers were trying to figure out how to make 3d games using mostly 2d assets. So you have Space Harrier, that Star Wars arcade game and all the light gun games. Then there were a few on the early 3d consoles, like ps1, saturn and n64. I think ps1 had some tube runner game, and another called omega force or something like that. N64 had sin and punishment as well as star fox 64. PS2 era, there were more light gun games, as well as REZ. OG Xbox got Panzer Dragoon Orta. And... That's pretty much were things seem to have ended. Star Fox was kept alive for a few more games and then died.
That said, there are arcade space and air combat games which are similar to rail shooters but not quite the same. They play more like how Star Fox 64 does in All-Range Mode. You're placed in a large arena densely-packed with enemies and essentially told to kill them all. Ace Combat 4, Rogue Squadron, Robotech for gamecube... You can unlock more ships and weapons in these games, but you can't really upgrade anything. There are no rpg elements that I'm aware of, so they're pretty arcade-like in design. Not really designed for single-segment play but they are similar to rail shooters in some respects.
That game does look beautiful. I really like the ideas, but I'm sure you are correct in your criticisms as well. They may have decided to go with the Snes angle for the same reason that I'm just learning there even was a Starfox 64. Popularity. I did I think, know Starfox64 existed as I owned a N64 and two game boy colors briefly in my late twenties/early 30s because my neighbor played pokemon stadium with his son every other weekend and since he was our dealer we played it with him the other weekends and helped him get good to play his son when he was all straightened up for parent duty. It was pretty fun. I hadn't played any new games since around the time doom came out and everything started going 3d which was when I checked out of video games for about a decade. I was an arcade bike riding outdoors kinda street player not any part of the "gamer" thing that came later. I eventually got into Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout New Vegas modding, but that's the only games I play that are modern outside of mecha sims and shooters. To me shooters *are* the video games. The first games I ever played where Space Invaders, Astroids, Defender, Centipede, Galaxian, Galaga, Pacman and Battlezone in that order. The evolution of video games, for me, follows that path from Galaga to Xevious and onward and everything else is just fun side games to waste some time in the interim. Once you have a game like Skyrim (heavily modded) half the other things games were trying to accomplish are obsolete. What's left are shooters and basic challenge games. The sport of the thing. The gem in the crown is the vertical shooter and that is something history will bear me out on.
I really like this channel and the story you told about Raiden and playing beat me ups because it stretched the quarters longer and putting your last two quarters in Outrun to play you out...I did that during that same time as, even though I got a Nintendo eventually the lure of the real games would still get me on my bike even if only to go to a local gas station, bowling alley, or grocery store front walkway to play arcade cabinets. As the downtown pool halls sold off the stock they bought from the original mall and theater arcades like Aladdin's Castle those same machines filtered into bars, flea markets, and small impromptu mini arcades out in the county on the highways where the strip clubs and pawn shops are. My terf as a kid/early teen. Of course distributors put them all over the place too and I learned about Sanwa joysticks and cheery switches and 8 way restrictor gates and all kinds of things like that way back in the 80s and very early 90s from talking to the operators who I was always bugging about the machines. I knew when the tech guy came to work on a line of machines and would go and bother them with suggestions, requests, and questions. Didn't really think about how I'd have been able to find out on the Internet by the time I got the money to get any of those things, even though we all knew these things would soon be a reality.
Per the Steam board, the dev mentioned July 26th (one day after this video was uploaded) that branching paths and different modes are planned. Perhaps there'll be a score attack mode offering additional ways to earn points (chaining enemies would definitely be nice). The game has been in development since 2017 and became a sure thing when it's Kickstarter more than doubled it's funding goal in 2020 (20,000 British pound goal, raised 50,000 pounds). So I think the game will stay in Early Access probably until late 2023/early 2024, particularly since the dev team is so small, so I think by the time the game gets it's full commercial release that it'll have substantial transformations along with probably several more stages, using Early Access funds to continue making the game bigger and presumably better. Kickstarter continues to be crucial for indie game development despite garbage like Mighty No. 9 and scams like Elysian Shadows and Zoe Quinn's Kickstarted in the Butt giving the platform such a negative and toxic reputation.
Yes fingers crossed the game will follow through to a completed version!
The graphics are like low-rent Sayonara Wild Hearts. Still a great game, and am looking forward to the next levels.
Yeah I m really curious what the future levels will be like. There needs to be an all out assault venom style stage
Weird as hell comment but I liked the glasses LOL It added a lot of identity
thanks my dude! I wore them in honor of James McCloud and expert mode Star Fox
Still think panzer dragoon orta is peak rail shooter. Can't wait for xemu to run it perfect.
As someone that has never played a rail shooter game like Star Fox, the game was pretty good. Very nice graphics and soundtrack, responsive controls, etc. Very solid overall!
I played only a few levels but I agree about the density of the enemies and powerups -- dev should UP them!
Yes I think it has a solid foundation! Just needs that extra firepower to take it to the next level
my introduction to rail shooters were the gummy ship missions in kh2 if that counts
That s really cool ha. I wish rail shooters would pop up more places like they used to
I only played kh1 and they were kinda bad but maybe I didn’t pick the right parts for the gumi ship
@@Mingodough yeah in kh1 they're not very fun, 2 does them a lot better
The game looks glorious to me visually. I do hope the DEV takes your points to heart. It sucks when a game looks good, but the gameplay is lacking.
Yeah here s to hoping the final version beefs up the enemy counts, power level, and gameplay density
This game looks pretty rad, like Star Fox mixed with Space Harrier! I always liked SF64 better than SF SNES because it felt more polished, with not nearly as much slowdown. However, a game that's a more polished version of SF SNES would be perfectly fine with me, too. Totally disagree with the vid creator about SF Assault, though. I loved that game, personally. Thought it was more playable than SF SNES for sure.
I'd also like to state that Kyuu and her colleague look like characters out of the Captain Simian show.
Have you ever played Kid Icarus Uprising? It's probably not TOO up your alley, since it's a longer, more story- and less score-focused rail shooter, but the spectacle of those stages is unmatched. Some of the biggest budget probably ever put into a rail shooter. Really wish that we'd get more people try their hand at the genre, there's so much potential there, but like you said in this vid, it's barely tapped
Yeah I ve checked the game out, like you say it s a bit too much on the story side for me, but I do respect what they did with the game for a casual audience
No it's not the new star fox and never will be replaced
The game looks really cool despite its flaws, I hope they iron out some of the gameplay though. There are some games I really like artistically and musically but the gameplay really held it back. That’s how I felt with Scott pilgrim and other games. Cool early impressions, they picked the right person
Yes I feel the same way, and I do think it s possible for the dev to beef the game up before release
I would've liked an ever slightly more complex art style. I get it that it's a cheap style to make but just sightly more would've made it look a littler better. The ship looks way too simple imo. Hopefully the dev can work on higher res models. The city bike levels look more detailed than the ship levels. Gameplay matters most and that looks great will be getting this.
Re:one of the final comments about pausing when you get hit, this idea comes from Space Harrier so I would hope the dev does not abandon it in their homage. Since the game doesn't have HP it makes sense to give the screen a moment to clear before forcing the player back in.
Personally I think Star Fox 64 is one of the weakest major rail-shooters as it is far too slow and the idea of a brake and charge which is used over and over is just not interesting to me. The alternate vehicles do not hold up too well although the all-range boss fights are great (and this is why I like Star Fox Command). I loved it as a kid but when I go back to get better at the genre it's usually Panzer Dragoon Orta or Star Successor that I play as SF64 seems to get less and less fun every time I return to it.
Comparing 64 to Star Fox 1 is tough because as you say the 15 fps limit is just such a restriction on how that game plays that its level design is not able to shine. I think in lieu of Nintendo making a 60fps 'remaster' of original Star Fox (which we can all hold our breath for) it is great to see an indie dev "completing" the game even if it can't be a literal remake (if it was a Sega franchise they'd have bought it by now). With the Rayforce type combination of auto-shot and multi-lock ironically the mechanics look most similar to Yar's Revenge and Panzer Dragoon so I don't think it's right to say that they have only gone back to the beginning of the genre.
Unfortunately I think it will be very hard for a rail-shmup to ever top Star Successor because the IR pointer is such a great technology which has been wholesale abandoned and would only ever make a comeback in a VR format. So I look at new ones with some skepticism and I think we all have to admit this genre is an artifact of the 3D transition and the technical difficulty of implementing a 3D camera system, which in modern gaming is considered so fundamental.
How do you feel about the original panzer dragoon games Mark?
Haven't played them yet :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground oh, you should probably get on that ;)
There's a small, small Euro feel in this shooter.
NOOOOO!!!! EJECT.
Ha, could easily be fixed with earlier powerups or powerups across stages (rather than resetting the powerups)
@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah i was joking, don't want to make it seem like i exclusively extrapolated that sole line out of the whole pre-release review.
It actually looks quite interesting and i will be buying.
I love rail shooters, it's among my favorite genres.
I’m not a railshooter fan but I like this game! I think it’s very good!
It sounds like you are becoming a rail shooter fan :-)
There was only one game in our house we played more on the N64 than GoldenEye and that was 4 player competitive Lylat Wars!
Oh I love 4 player star fox 64, did you unlock on foot mode?
@@TheElectricUnderground NO!? The perils of not having the internet at the time, I've only just discovered this was a thing, thank you!
that is by far the game I want to play the most but can't bc my PC is just to shitty to run it, but holy fuck if this isn't all I ever wanted, my God
After checking some rail shooter games, you really can't find much on the modern consoles. Even in the indies.
Yeah it s a bummer :-(
It's true. Even on Steam they're quite rare for some reason, it's really unfortunate.
Also, hello Sora! I don't suppose you're in the Discord server are ya? I haven't seen you there. I usually hang out in #back-of-the-classroom, #hardware, #fighting-games, etc.
@@2bussy I dont have discord
I played but is Not my type of game. However with all respect i think the graphics are perfect (some of the best i have seem this year) , very easy to see the things, the minimal low poly helps US to focus on the gameplay as there are no distractions on the background or the enemyes .it looks like those sega 90 arcade racing,with intense Bright colors like a casino. They may not bé a technicaly Marvel, but the art Direction is amazing
Yeah the graphics remind me a lot of the 3d stages in sonic 3
Umm TEU, have you checked the game called Suguri? Or its sequel Sora? Does those two games count as shmup? I am also not talking about the fighting game spinoff called Acceleration of Suguri.
I love sin and punishment. Fantastic game I've been thinking of picking up a usb N64 controller just so I can play it as it was intended. I did a lot of messing around on the controls on my PS4 controller in retroarch until it felt 'right' to me.
I've been thinking of streaming it but I'd like to get a little better before I humiliate myself that much. My last 10 credit clear wouldn't make for compelling watching I reckons. ;)
If it's by Yu Sazuki I'll have to give it a look. I spend many many many hours playing space harrier and afterburner. The best part was back in the day if you could find the sit down cabinets. Those where a experience into themselves. Especially afterburner. So much fun.
Panzer Dragoon was a blast also. I love playing it on PS4. I just dunno if I want to link my PSN to twitch.
I wish you luck getting that USB controller for N64, It seems it has fallen victim to Nintendo's strategy of artificial short supply :-(
There seems to be a ton of them on Amazon. As much as I dislike amazon I dislike Nintendo's business practices more so amazon would be where would buy one.
Nintendo seems a lot like how Games workshop used to be. Low print runs of stuff so they can say look we sold out everyone want our stuff. All they really are doing is making the bot farmers rich on the secondary market. It's kind of silly I reckons, but then again I don't run a multibillion dollar company.
Keep up the great work Mark. It's nice to see you still around and still putting out great content.
I remember the wings could get blown off in SNES Starfox, though I don't remember if it affects the Arwing physics like in 64
Hopefully the dev takes what your comments into consideration, as the game looks like it has a lot of promise (just from the video footage)
Yeah I m a little hazy on the details of the wing system of SNES, I don't recall it being a big factor though.
I would love to see a house of the dead overkill part2 or similar light gun games.....
me too! I have a sinden lightgun and plan to do a bunch of lightgun vids next month
I played only the demo but I agree that the game could be better with more power ups and way more enemies and action on screen.
Yes feels too reserved, like the dev is being very very careful ha
@@TheElectricUnderground hey mark, have you tried the new shmup "like dreamer"? I think the gameplay is really cool. I would like to know your opinion.
Have you played Neon White yet? It's skill based time attack.
I haven't! Is it a rail shooter?
@@TheElectricUnderground Its a first person shooter
@@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 Is it though?
@@futureskeletons66669 that's according to what I just saw.
Game looks incredible but I think I'll wait until after early access. Been burned too many times.
ME TOO. I def understand that perspective, sometimes the game comes out on early access and then melts into nothingness forever.
@@TheElectricUnderground Or you go ham on the early release and then burn out before the final release
have you tried Mooselife?
I haven't but it looks hella trippy!
Do a review of Star Fox EX.
absolutely! I will def do so when I get the chance, looks really cool
@@TheElectricUnderground The music is really good in this.
=> ローリング
=> ロー(ROO) リ(RI) ン(N) グ(GU)
=> Rolling
It doesn t not seem to mention "barrel" in the original Japanese, which is where the error is
star fox nes does have a wing system.
Right I was a little hazy on the details on how the wing system in SNES works, I don't think it was as developed as in 64. That would mean though that this game not having a wing system is even more of an oversight
Is it still in early access?!
No love for Panzer Dragoon Orta?
I actually haven't played Orta yet (I have been holding off on the panzer games for a while ha).
There's like 10 rail shooters to ever exist and its a tragedy. Panzer dragoon zwei > every other rail shooter. I'll get this just to support an on rail shooter.
Really didn't like this game. It Copies too much of Starfox and Space Harrier and needed to improve on it. Not do an ATARI 2600 copy and was not impressed with this. It really needs to do something new and Unique and I love playing Starfox 1 with 2 players thanks to a mod.
Yeah I think the game could be more bold and less safe with it s design
Why is it that almost every starfox/nintendo fan needs to be SO cringe?
I m not a big Nintendo fan actually :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground that's what I meant. This is the first TH-camr that was ok when handling the theme.
Other ones are insufferable.
This game looks wonderful! I see it's made with the awesome GoDot engine tools, which is suprising!
Why do you think your face is more interesting than the visuals.