As promised, I’ve come back to leave a comment regarding Poe and Finn’s development in TLJ. I agree with so much of what you said about Poe’s arc. Especially how we are meant to distrust Holdo and how in the end both Poe and Holdo were wrong to some degree in they’re handling of the situation. Plus, how if this was a real world scenario Poe would deserve a court-martial on more than one account. I agree that both Finn and Poe had significant character growth in TLJ. This was often a result of their interaction with some of the smart female characters that populate TLJ and who the haters loved to bash. I totally disagree with their argument that this was some sort of SJW agenda for the movie. All primary characters were challenged in important ways that pushed their character growth in order to prepare them for what needs to happen in the final episode. Often these challenges came from members of the opposite sex, not because of some social justice campaign to promote women and put down men. This was one of the negative arguments about this film that really got under my skin. But I’ve learned for the most part to just ignore that segment of the Star Wars community. I think the greatest evidence of growth for Poe comes when he recognizes that confronting the First Order on Crait is foolish and orders everyone to stand down. However Finn is motivated in that moment by his new found desire to join in the galactic battle on the side of the Resistance. This demonstrates Finn’s growth while showing his need to still learn what Poe did about choosing your battles. I believe Poe gives us a big clue about what he still needs to learn from his pivotal moment inside the Rebel Station in the cave on Crait when he rephrases Holdo’s earlier line. Holdo’s statement was, “We are the spark that will help rebuild the Republic.” What Poe says is, “We are the spark that will burn down the First Order.” What Poe still needs to learn is Rose’s all important message of how they will win by saving what they love, not fighting what they hate. Yes I agree that Finn and Rose were quite awkward in the moment that she delivers that critical line. But I believe that was somewhat deliberate. And I believe that at the end of TLJ Finn and Rose are headed for a romantic pairing, but I won’t go into my justification of that idea here. Plus, I acknowledge that JJ Abrams could definitely change that up. I don’t think their romance has been as baked into the story as Reylo has at this point in the trilogy. I do think that Rose’s message is the key to how this trilogy is going to end, and the direct answer to Kylo Ren wanting to burn it all down. IMO this is not only the message that Poe needs to embrace, but all of the major characters, especially Ben Solo.
I love this response! Thank you so much for watching the commentary. Its important that people take off those political goggles and see whats going on in the narrative. MTFBWY!
Hey all! Enjoy my commentary! Its super tough to watch and talk. I love this film. Sure there are some silly bits and some campy parts, but thats Star Wars. Next Up ROGUE ONE. EDIT: Sorry for all the coughing. Jeesh. ATAT
The video recommendations on the side of this video makes me roll my eyes, "JJ ABRAMS TRIES TO FIX REY!" "DISNEY/LUCASFILM GOES ROGUE AGAIN!" "THE LAST JEDI A DIRECTIONLESS STORY" I really hate how people just can't let go of their anger, it's just a movie, life goes on.
I really enjoyed listening to your audio commentary on The Last Jedi. As a fellow fan of the movie I enjoyed getting to hear your impressions of the film. I think it says a lot about the film that you can point out so many moments of real significance, including moments that stand out in their support of traditional Star Wars themes. I would like to add an observation about one of your comments with my own thoughts on the matter. During the initial version that we see of Luke/Ben’s memories from that fateful night, you commented on all the bodies by pointing out how many Kylo had killed that night. However I believe there may still be more to this story than we currently know. Luke tells us that Kylo had vanished with a handful of his students and slaughtered the rest. But Luke was unconscious at the time, and as such an unreliable narrator. Kylo may indeed be solely responsible for those deaths. But I think it is more likely that his fellow students were roused by what happened in Ben’s hut. There was probably a standoff between those who believed Ben and those who didn’t. How many were killed directly by Ben is unknown. As is whether he killed out of self-defense, pure aggression for those who wouldn’t join him, or some of both. Not to mention that some of the deaths were likely the work of those who left with Ben. Perhaps the story is as simple as Luke’s narrative. But like so much of Ben Solo’s story, I hope we will learn more about what actually happened. I also have some thoughts about Poe and Finn’s character arcs. But as it is getting late, I will plan to leave an additional comment in the near future. Thanks again for sharing your impressions of The Last Jedi!
Holy crap man - your commentary on this film actually changed my opinion a bit on it I listened to your commentary on Rise and enjoyed it enough to pop in Last Jedi and listen to this Last is a film I had major issues with- especially the portrayal of Luke But your love of this film definitely comes thru and you point out a lot of really positive things about this film I hadn’t really considered too deeply I think it’s a better film than I gave it credit for and I appreciate it more now Thanks
I love Poe’s joke with Hux because of Hux’s status as a bastard who was ashamed of that status. Whether deliberate or not, I think a yo mama joke would really get to him.
Yes, but it always makes me laugh though, knowing that Hux’s mother was some random kitchen worker his father got pregnant and Poe says the message is from Leia. As much as Hux resents Kylo, you know that the comparison of their lineage has to be a sore spot. And whether Poe delivered the line with any knowledge of Hux’s background or not, as petty as Hux appears to be, you know he had to feel the burn.
Wait, I must have missed this piece of INFO? Was this in aftermath? How did i miss this. The most I know about Hux comes from the novels and the Phasma novel. Now that joke actually makes more sense in that light. Mind kind of blown.
AT-AT Chat I’m pretty sure it is in Aftermath: Empire’s End. Grand Admiral Rae Sloane takes Hux under her wing. She recognizes that Brendal Hux is abusive towards him, probably because he is ashamed of him. And Sloane hates Brendal. They are taking the remaining remnants of the Empire into Wild Space because of a plan left them by the Emperor, which forms the basis of the First Order. Sloane puts Hux in charge of some wild kids and we see the first signs of his enjoyment of power and cruelty. But there is definitely a reference to his bastard status and his Mom’s origins. I don’t think his mother is with him at this point. But we can see how he took over his father’s storm trooper training program for the First Order. And I know we learn later on that he was responsible for his father’s poisoning with Phasma’s involvement. (That is not in the trilogy) I’m sure that with his existing resentment of Kylo Ren because of his “unnatural powers”, he would also resent Kylo’s exalted legacy. I know there is a question of who knows about Kylo’s background. But Hux strikes me as someone who would make sure he had access to that type of information. And I expect the comparison with his own legacy has make him even more sensitive about it. I know that general audiences would have no idea about this information about Hux. But it makes me smile even time I hear that joke in TLJ because I do think about it from that angle. The Aftermath trilogy gets a lot of criticism. And it definitely wasn’t the easiest, or most interesting of the Star Wars novels I’ve read. But it does have a lot of information about what was happening after Return of the Jedi to the remaining Empire and the beginnings of the New Republic. I recommend it for anyone who wants to know more about that time, including Leia’s pregnancy and the birth of Ben. It has my favorite quote from Han talking to an infant Ben. If you’re interested I would be happy to share the quote.
COLOR IS IMPORTANTTTTTT. Haha. I wish more people paid attention to the stuff we see as editors etc. Ive never actually shared my day job work here before, but since you edit, th-cam.com/video/dKjGNbad5bU/w-d-xo.html. Its a goofy ad, but its fun to figure out how to tell a story in 30 seconds.
Awesome commentary! I've been a film and television student in both high school and college for around 5 years now, so it's awesome to hear someone else in the industry talking about little edits and things people don't usually notice. The Last Jedi is really well edited and directed, people who think the prequels are better perplex me because the shots and edits alone are way more mundane and boring. When I hear people say "Rian should have listened to the fans" or "Rian should have took advice from the actors" I just think it's so silly. A director should never waver on their decisions, especially big story ones. Rian had a vision and brought it to life with class and efficiency. Hell, the director of The Revenant was apparently choked out by Tom Hardy on set for being such an ass all the time, but the hard work payed off and the movie is full of fantastic oners and long takes because of it. The Last Jedi really was an awesome movie in my opinion, took me by surprise in all the best ways, and now it's definitely in my top 5 Star Wars movies.
Sounds to me like the director just successfully got Tom Hardy to method act as the villain. Especially considering, if I remember correctly, that character’s specialty seemed to be strangulation and the like.
@@JXEditor Maybe that was his plan, but as far as I understand it they used the sunlight and only the sunlight in that movie. That's really difficult to work with, especially when you have 4 minute action scenes done in one take during sunset. So I'm pretty sure he was just super harsh to all the actors. They handed out T-Shirts at the after party when they were done shooting of Tom choking the director.
@@ATATChat Cool, I really enjoyed the documentary. It's right next to the Episode 1 documentary in terms of quality, both show the hardships but also the fun of film-making. The TLJ one was super artsy though, which I really liked. It felt very personal. Right now I'm working on my review of The Force Awakens which I plan to be a parody of Unbridled Rage.
Okay, so it's already almost 00:00 here, so I'm going to wait until tomorrow to watch it alongside the movie. I'll return afterwards, good night and sleep tight :)
Just watched TLJ with your commentary, been meaning to do it for a few days but got around to it today. I truly think Hux and Kylo are going to have an interesting conflict in 9
Excellent job. I wish the dream that Luke had in the beginning of the TLJ novel was in the movie. The dream about not leaving Tatooine and having married Cammie and knowing that this dream was no accident, but that something was coming...
This was a great commentary for my second favorite star wars film! In the future could you do one with another person? Possibly girls with sabers that be cool.
As promised, I’ve come back to leave a comment regarding Poe and Finn’s development in TLJ. I agree with so much of what you said about Poe’s arc. Especially how we are meant to distrust Holdo and how in the end both Poe and Holdo were wrong to some degree in they’re handling of the situation. Plus, how if this was a real world scenario Poe would deserve a court-martial on more than one account.
I agree that both Finn and Poe had significant character growth in TLJ. This was often a result of their interaction with some of the smart female characters that populate TLJ and who the haters loved to bash. I totally disagree with their argument that this was some sort of SJW agenda for the movie. All primary characters were challenged in important ways that pushed their character growth in order to prepare them for what needs to happen in the final episode. Often these challenges came from members of the opposite sex, not because of some social justice campaign to promote women and put down men. This was one of the negative arguments about this film that really got under my skin. But I’ve learned for the most part to just ignore that segment of the Star Wars community.
I think the greatest evidence of growth for Poe comes when he recognizes that confronting the First Order on Crait is foolish and orders everyone to stand down. However Finn is motivated in that moment by his new found desire to join in the galactic battle on the side of the Resistance. This demonstrates Finn’s growth while showing his need to still learn what Poe did about choosing your battles.
I believe Poe gives us a big clue about what he still needs to learn from his pivotal moment inside the Rebel Station in the cave on Crait when he rephrases Holdo’s earlier line. Holdo’s statement was, “We are the spark that will help rebuild the Republic.” What Poe says is, “We are the spark that will burn down the First Order.” What Poe still needs to learn is Rose’s all important message of how they will win by saving what they love, not fighting what they hate.
Yes I agree that Finn and Rose were quite awkward in the moment that she delivers that critical line. But I believe that was somewhat deliberate. And I believe that at the end of TLJ Finn and Rose are headed for a romantic pairing, but I won’t go into my justification of that idea here. Plus, I acknowledge that JJ Abrams could definitely change that up. I don’t think their romance has been as baked into the story as Reylo has at this point in the trilogy.
I do think that Rose’s message is the key to how this trilogy is going to end, and the direct answer to Kylo Ren wanting to burn it all down. IMO this is not only the message that Poe needs to embrace, but all of the major characters, especially Ben Solo.
I love this response! Thank you so much for watching the commentary. Its important that people take off those political goggles and see whats going on in the narrative. MTFBWY!
I look forward to your commentary on The Force Awakens!
@@blackeyedlily Me too! haha
Hey all! Enjoy my commentary! Its super tough to watch and talk. I love this film. Sure there are some silly bits and some campy parts, but thats Star Wars.
Next Up ROGUE ONE.
EDIT: Sorry for all the coughing. Jeesh.
ATAT
NOTE FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO PAUSE: Commentary-Time = Movie-Time + 45 Seconds.
Appreciate that!
The video recommendations on the side of this video makes me roll my eyes, "JJ ABRAMS TRIES TO FIX REY!" "DISNEY/LUCASFILM GOES ROGUE AGAIN!" "THE LAST JEDI A DIRECTIONLESS STORY"
I really hate how people just can't let go of their anger, it's just a movie, life goes on.
Even on twitter its really relentless.
I really enjoyed listening to your audio commentary on The Last Jedi. As a fellow fan of the movie I enjoyed getting to hear your impressions of the film. I think it says a lot about the film that you can point out so many moments of real significance, including moments that stand out in their support of traditional Star Wars themes.
I would like to add an observation about one of your comments with my own thoughts on the matter. During the initial version that we see of Luke/Ben’s memories from that fateful night, you commented on all the bodies by pointing out how many Kylo had killed that night. However I believe there may still be more to this story than we currently know. Luke tells us that Kylo had vanished with a handful of his students and slaughtered the rest. But Luke was unconscious at the time, and as such an unreliable narrator. Kylo may indeed be solely responsible for those deaths. But I think it is more likely that his fellow students were roused by what happened in Ben’s hut. There was probably a standoff between those who believed Ben and those who didn’t. How many were killed directly by Ben is unknown. As is whether he killed out of self-defense, pure aggression for those who wouldn’t join him, or some of both. Not to mention that some of the deaths were likely the work of those who left with Ben. Perhaps the story is as simple as Luke’s narrative. But like so much of Ben Solo’s story, I hope we will learn more about what actually happened.
I also have some thoughts about Poe and Finn’s character arcs. But as it is getting late, I will plan to leave an additional comment in the near future. Thanks again for sharing your impressions of The Last Jedi!
I really appreciate this comment. Can't wait to hear more of your observations.
Holy crap man - your commentary on this film actually changed my opinion a bit on it
I listened to your commentary on Rise and enjoyed it enough to pop in Last Jedi and listen to this
Last is a film I had major issues with- especially the portrayal of Luke
But your love of this film definitely comes thru and you point out a lot of really positive things about this film I hadn’t really considered too deeply
I think it’s a better film than I gave it credit for and I appreciate it more now
Thanks
Glad you found some more enjoyment out of it!
Nice! Good to watch the movie and listen to another SW fan talking about it!
Im glad you enjoyed it! I coughed so much, haha.
I really hope I have time to watch this before Thanksgiving.
It's so long haha
I love Poe’s joke with Hux because of Hux’s status as a bastard who was ashamed of that status. Whether deliberate or not, I think a yo mama joke would really get to him.
I think for me, the joke is funny, but just so random. It's 100% Poe's character to mess with the FO. I still love Hux being a weasel.
Yes, but it always makes me laugh though, knowing that Hux’s mother was some random kitchen worker his father got pregnant and Poe says the message is from Leia. As much as Hux resents Kylo, you know that the comparison of their lineage has to be a sore spot. And whether Poe delivered the line with any knowledge of Hux’s background or not, as petty as Hux appears to be, you know he had to feel the burn.
Wait, I must have missed this piece of INFO? Was this in aftermath? How did i miss this. The most I know about Hux comes from the novels and the Phasma novel. Now that joke actually makes more sense in that light. Mind kind of blown.
AT-AT Chat I’m pretty sure it is in Aftermath: Empire’s End. Grand Admiral Rae Sloane takes Hux under her wing. She recognizes that Brendal Hux is abusive towards him, probably because he is ashamed of him. And Sloane hates Brendal. They are taking the remaining remnants of the Empire into Wild Space because of a plan left them by the Emperor, which forms the basis of the First Order. Sloane puts Hux in charge of some wild kids and we see the first signs of his enjoyment of power and cruelty. But there is definitely a reference to his bastard status and his Mom’s origins. I don’t think his mother is with him at this point. But we can see how he took over his father’s storm trooper training program for the First Order. And I know we learn later on that he was responsible for his father’s poisoning with Phasma’s involvement. (That is not in the trilogy)
I’m sure that with his existing resentment of Kylo Ren because of his “unnatural powers”, he would also resent Kylo’s exalted legacy. I know there is a question of who knows about Kylo’s background. But Hux strikes me as someone who would make sure he had access to that type of information. And I expect the comparison with his own legacy has make him even more sensitive about it.
I know that general audiences would have no idea about this information about Hux. But it makes me smile even time I hear that joke in TLJ because I do think about it from that angle. The Aftermath trilogy gets a lot of criticism. And it definitely wasn’t the easiest, or most interesting of the Star Wars novels I’ve read. But it does have a lot of information about what was happening after Return of the Jedi to the remaining Empire and the beginnings of the New Republic. I recommend it for anyone who wants to know more about that time, including Leia’s pregnancy and the birth of Ben. It has my favorite quote from Han talking to an infant Ben. If you’re interested I would be happy to share the quote.
This is super interesting. Definitely send me that quote. Or was it the ancient eyes quote? I remember that from somewhere.
1:17:48 Amber and teal... always fucking amber and teal!
COLOR IS IMPORTANTTTTTT. Haha. I wish more people paid attention to the stuff we see as editors etc. Ive never actually shared my day job work here before, but since you edit, th-cam.com/video/dKjGNbad5bU/w-d-xo.html. Its a goofy ad, but its fun to figure out how to tell a story in 30 seconds.
Awesome commentary! I've been a film and television student in both high school and college for around 5 years now, so it's awesome to hear someone else in the industry talking about little edits and things people don't usually notice. The Last Jedi is really well edited and directed, people who think the prequels are better perplex me because the shots and edits alone are way more mundane and boring. When I hear people say "Rian should have listened to the fans" or "Rian should have took advice from the actors" I just think it's so silly. A director should never waver on their decisions, especially big story ones. Rian had a vision and brought it to life with class and efficiency. Hell, the director of The Revenant was apparently choked out by Tom Hardy on set for being such an ass all the time, but the hard work payed off and the movie is full of fantastic oners and long takes because of it. The Last Jedi really was an awesome movie in my opinion, took me by surprise in all the best ways, and now it's definitely in my top 5 Star Wars movies.
It's a master class it camera movement as well as editing! I plan on doing a video on the documentary as well with tlj.
Sounds to me like the director just successfully got Tom Hardy to method act as the villain. Especially considering, if I remember correctly, that character’s specialty seemed to be strangulation and the like.
@@JXEditor Maybe that was his plan, but as far as I understand it they used the sunlight and only the sunlight in that movie. That's really difficult to work with, especially when you have 4 minute action scenes done in one take during sunset. So I'm pretty sure he was just super harsh to all the actors. They handed out T-Shirts at the after party when they were done shooting of Tom choking the director.
@@ATATChat Cool, I really enjoyed the documentary. It's right next to the Episode 1 documentary in terms of quality, both show the hardships but also the fun of film-making. The TLJ one was super artsy though, which I really liked. It felt very personal. Right now I'm working on my review of The Force Awakens which I plan to be a parody of Unbridled Rage.
@@Tribrachidiumheraldicum definitely send me that, haha!
Okay, so it's already almost 00:00 here, so I'm going to wait until tomorrow to watch it alongside the movie. I'll return afterwards, good night and sleep tight :)
Excellent... thanks so much for this. 😊 Cheers for knowing Temiri Blagg's name! 🍻
cool! Im all ears!❤
Just watched TLJ with your commentary, been meaning to do it for a few days but got around to it today.
I truly think Hux and Kylo are going to have an interesting conflict in 9
I hope Kylo knocks Hux into space. Haha.
@@ATATChat Just imagine if Hux pulled a Leia (Or another character that I can't spoil) LOL
lmao
Excellent job. I wish the dream that Luke had in the beginning of the TLJ novel was in the movie. The dream about not leaving Tatooine and having married Cammie and knowing that this dream was no accident, but that something was coming...
This was a great commentary for my second favorite star wars film! In the future could you do one with another person? Possibly girls with sabers that be cool.
That could be really fun!
AT-AT Chat
oh could it?
@@JXEditor the hardest thing is I'm est they are mid USA.
@@JXEditor we need to collab
AT-AT Chat Agreed. Especially considering we’re both EST
👍👍👏👏👏❤❤❤
I'll be watching this later
Make sure to cue up the film! Haha. Its probably so odd to just hear my voice.
Love this!
Sillyness is crucial to star wars