Is Control Still the Best Deck in Pioneer | Ascendancy Combo vs Azorius Control

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  • @CardmarketMagic
    @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    🌱🧙🏿 Decklists: bit.ly/36MmD7E

  • @DoublePhilip
    @DoublePhilip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    Amazing vid. Thoralf is a great host, Gabriel is a great guest, both amazing players, pioneer, educational, decks... Everything awesome. Chef's kiss

  • @joseadrianoferreira944
    @joseadrianoferreira944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    this is great magic content. usually when you watch someone strem you only learn how to play one deck. here you learn 2 at the same time :)

  • @marcelukawski1346
    @marcelukawski1346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I love this video format. Great tips for new players combined with great matches. Keep em comming!

  • @Darium856
    @Darium856 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Bois this is supreme Magic content. I have been going through and binging yall’s content and it has just made me crave paper magic more and more. Keep it up, seriously really good stuff.

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you! That is very kind of you to say :D

  • @27Lands
    @27Lands 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Shout out to the production team, really impressive! Keep up the great work!

  • @Doublecake17
    @Doublecake17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The editing on this viedo is so slick. Great job, thank you for the high quality content.

  • @ravedave1272
    @ravedave1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Please more Pioneer Matches :)

  • @firebirddy9998
    @firebirddy9998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Risky play, but Thoralf could've silenced in game 3 before his Ascendency for potentially the win. Good matches overall, it's nice to see some pioneer content.

    • @KennnnHK
      @KennnnHK ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I assume you mean when he had 7 mana and Nassif only had otherworldly light. The Silence had to go last to trigger ascendency to untap the lands. If you play silence first, resolves, then you play Ascendency and Awakening, whets untapping your lands? If you play Ascendency after silence,, then Awakening, the Ascendency triggers, untapping your creatures but at that point you don't have creatures yet, then awakening resolves and all you man lands are tapped. If you play awakening first, you don't have a non creature spell to trigger Ascendency.

    • @Swnkmstr
      @Swnkmstr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KennnnHK With our perfect knowledge of Nassif's hand (31:55) the play was Awakening 1st, Ascendancy 2nd and then Silence 3rd.
      Awaking - Animate your lands
      Ascendancy - Set up the combo
      Silence - Untap your lands, giving you 7 3/3's
      Nassif's worst play is to March ascendancy and die to 21 power on board and his best play is to March 2 lands w/ Thoralf then presenting 5 3/3's or 15 damage
      Assuming he makes the best play and exiles 2 lands, Thoralf should Fry the 1/1 Soldier giving him 5 4/4's for lethal damage.

  • @martin_goodlad
    @martin_goodlad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks! It’s nice to see pioneer making a comeback and that you guys are making some great pioneer content :)

  • @mrgamgee5858
    @mrgamgee5858 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    37:46 exactly how I feel every time I draw negate late game against UW control!

  • @J3P
    @J3P 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is excellent content. Easy to follow and great tips from pro players. Would love to see you guys try out a Grixis Lutri deck in pioneer :)

  • @paulmallet3104
    @paulmallet3104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content as usual, shout out to the editors for the great work !

  • @maxreis9534
    @maxreis9534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nassif on the full control train. I love it!

  • @returningwhisper
    @returningwhisper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great seeing both of these amazing players here!

  • @David-hb3gu
    @David-hb3gu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been watching all of yalls videos sincei found this channel about a weak ago Great content you are are so awsome

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoy. We put a lot of work into our videos and have a lot of fun making them!

  • @gaberyan6283
    @gaberyan6283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Really well done video, I pretty much exclusively play mtga arena magic, so seeing this from a top down perspective was certainly interesting. I still prefer the way arena displays your cards but I can see why some people would prefer table magic. That said watching this at 1.75 speed I can safely say arena does allot of the hard micro work for you.

  • @billrobinsonmazda
    @billrobinsonmazda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep these coming guys. They're great!!

  • @janbabinski4081
    @janbabinski4081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love watching pro players with tier decks on this channel!!! Great content :D :D :D

  • @noahpurzycki7324
    @noahpurzycki7324 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ascendancy combo has been the only deck I play in pioneer and I loved seeing it on here and piloted at such a high level, reminds me of how fun the deck is in control matchups and not only scamming people out turn 4 lol

  • @nidzo4394
    @nidzo4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Pioneer content is much appreciated!

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That kind of comments is much appreciated too!

  • @reverse_win
    @reverse_win ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's been 9 months, but if you see this, I was wondering if Jeskai Ascendancy could run with a cheaper mana base? I bought the cards to build the deck but the lands are more expensive than the whole rest of the deck, so I skipped most of them and was looking for budget alternatives.

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It sounds weird to say, but good mana is almost more important to the cards. Not only just for winning (as you will more likely get to play your cards on time) but also for how much fun you have at the game (because you!ll have less feelbad situations where you can't cast your cards). If you don't want to spend the big bucks on boring shock lands or pathways (which I can perfectly understand), I'd at least recommend some guildgates and and cycle lands (like irrigated farmland) 🙂

    • @reverse_win
      @reverse_win ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CardmarketMagic Thanks! It makes complete sense.

  • @doim1676
    @doim1676 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The last game was such a rollercoaster ride xD

  • @FPRobber
    @FPRobber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love to see mono Green devotion. It's everywhere atm

  • @thoralfseverin2112
    @thoralfseverin2112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please show the new calobrated blast deck 😏

  • @fuukakun8428
    @fuukakun8428 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at 29:26 shouldn't the teferi resolve? it's been cast before the silence

    • @meta02
      @meta02 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thoralf casts a mystical dispute targeting teferi after the silence resolves

  • @evanshaner991
    @evanshaner991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being someone who has very limited experience playing formats other than commander, I love these videos due to how easy it is to get into them without knowing anything about the format's metagame and you guys are able to just explain it and make it make sense as it goes. Love the cut aways to the players talking through their decisions and this is honestly some of my favorite Magic content out there right now. Strangely enough, binging these videos has made me realize that I like watching control get played way more in 1v1 formats for whatever reason.

  • @migguthi
    @migguthi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this kind of content! I'm wandering why it has so few views

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here! Do no thesitate to share our videos!

  • @kebinus
    @kebinus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes please more really good to learn as well the decks to play

  • @hawkbern4
    @hawkbern4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Decklist suggestions: Jund Death Shadow with Tarmogoyf in Modern or Mono Blue Spirits in Pioneer!

  • @HacheMartin152
    @HacheMartin152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why you don't play your wandering emperor game 2 😢

  • @arthiLigue1
    @arthiLigue1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is Amazing. PLEASE keep more Pionneer !!!

  • @Romans1-8
    @Romans1-8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here for it!

  • @imnotwhiteiswear
    @imnotwhiteiswear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thoralf had the win the last game.
    He even commented on the only play that stops him😂
    If he cast Sylvan first then the ascendency, it would jave resolved and he could have cast silence to untap all his lands to become 3/3s, get a free loot, and possibly another trigger
    7 3/3s is still lethal.

  • @victoraguirre7486
    @victoraguirre7486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HOT DAMN WHAT A MATCH

  • @hurenopa
    @hurenopa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pioneer is great! I love spikes rakdos artifact sac list! Highly recommend it.

  • @siradzki5905
    @siradzki5905 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video! 👍

  • @anxoviqueira2669
    @anxoviqueira2669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jund Food is kind of a pet deck of mine, highly recommended!

  • @derekhall8453
    @derekhall8453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Toffel is questing beast 💪🤣

  • @disafear3674
    @disafear3674 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely loved this video

  • @btrbt8613
    @btrbt8613 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was such an intense match.

  • @theNoriLi
    @theNoriLi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @ProfDragonite
    @ProfDragonite ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did Thoralf really just make a Jeff Dunham joke?
    Huh.

  • @DaniszAstronauta
    @DaniszAstronauta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:26 how did that happen? Didn't that creature had hexproof?

    • @ArborusVitae
      @ArborusVitae 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aether Gust can target spells on the stack.

  • @daem0nfaust
    @daem0nfaust 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Silence! I keell you!"

  • @kingalpaca1
    @kingalpaca1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video ! Keep going

  • @swisssaga4419
    @swisssaga4419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    32:33 no thoralf its not disgusting. it is aethergusting

  • @KnickKnax
    @KnickKnax ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did thoralf make a Jeff Dunham reference?

  • @rubenxramos
    @rubenxramos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:49 looks like an anime draw

  • @DefCatofficial
    @DefCatofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    35:37 how did he play memory deluge on upkeep before untap?

    • @forever915ful
      @forever915ful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's an instant, and yellow hat untapped then casted memory in response to Silence

    • @DefCatofficial
      @DefCatofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@forever915fulbut how did he untap? Wasn't it on upkeep before untap?

    • @colgatelampinen2501
      @colgatelampinen2501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DefCatofficial upkeep is after untap

  • @joshuarobertson1672
    @joshuarobertson1672 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone should play something crazy with aetherworks marvel! Maybe with genesis ultimatum ?

  • @reytal496
    @reytal496 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, sending love and support 🙃 can you play a ninjistu deck or a treasure token deck i would really like to see how any of those will play in modern

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you got a list to send us ? Love!

    • @reytal496
      @reytal496 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@CardmarketMagic just finished build it and i think it got some fire in it (i dont know what goes in the side board but there are 75 cards in the deck list)
      3: tezzeret, master of the bridge
      3: academy manufactor
      2: broodstar
      2: galazeth prismari
      2: goldspan dragon
      4: magda, brazen outlaw
      4: ragavan, nimble pilferer
      3: subtlety
      4: xorn
      4: time sieve
      3: tormod's crypt
      3: hornswoggle
      4: lightning bolt
      3: prismari command
      3: terminate
      4: storm the vault // vault of catlacan
      2: blood crypt
      4: bloodstained mire
      1: island
      1: mountain
      4: polluted delta
      4: scalding tarn
      3: steam vents
      1: swamp
      2: watery grave
      2: xander's lounge
      if you got any problem contact me.
      would love to see you use this deck (:
      btw this is a modern deck
      Note (maybe switch lightning bolt with fury)

  • @gregoryefs9898
    @gregoryefs9898 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing that Shark Typhoon cycled hurt me on a deep level, damn

  • @Alexsnow0_0
    @Alexsnow0_0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the game play.

  • @semi-relatablerants3964
    @semi-relatablerants3964 ปีที่แล้ว

    Game 3 was so riveting

  • @devineyre5545
    @devineyre5545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    UW control all the way

  • @ricogarciaperez4734
    @ricogarciaperez4734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Game 2: Funny that Thoralf has 2 "Ketria Triome" in his Starthand and than plays them and they are "Raugrin Triome" 😅🤣

  • @nimunarin
    @nimunarin ปีที่แล้ว

    17:47 why is thoralf intentionally taping his cards the wrong way?

  • @derekhall8453
    @derekhall8453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    26:31- 26:37 is the best

  • @ryanwhite3393
    @ryanwhite3393 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    More pioneer please!

  • @dustinfurness2155
    @dustinfurness2155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The wandering emperor could have exiled the creature that stopped non-creature spells from being countered game 2

  • @angelvalera1997
    @angelvalera1997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try some budget cycles :D

  • @diogoborges00
    @diogoborges00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why non-yorion UW?

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you got a list to give us?

    • @diogoborges00
      @diogoborges00 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CardmarketMagic Most of the lists making results on MOL are UW yorion 80 cards lists. I like more the 60 cards, and was surprised to see Nassif playing this 60 cards version here. Would be possible to give any thoughts on which one is the correct one to play?

  • @Kniki104
    @Kniki104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    really good episode

  • @michaelbohm5160
    @michaelbohm5160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    please more pro vs pro videos!

  • @Vi0ar
    @Vi0ar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He played the uw control deck so poorly it triggered me. Tapped out vs combo decks to make tokens. Countering expressive iteration instead of saving them for combo pieces. You don’t have to do anything vs combo as control just save your counter spells for their win conditions and let their deck fizzle.

    • @siradzki5905
      @siradzki5905 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's your opinion vs the one of Nassif, pro Tour player for years and player of the year in 2004. I'm gonna trust what he is doing over what some internet troll is saying

    • @JayJayPea1
      @JayJayPea1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@siradzki5905 Nassif played like trash fan boy

  • @otakudibyan24
    @otakudibyan24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try this deck!
    Deck
    1 Island (NEO) 286
    1 Mountain (NEO) 290
    4 Steam Vents (GRN) 257
    4 Opt (STA) 19
    4 Faithless Looting (STA) 38
    2 Pillar of Flame (JMP) 355
    4 Spirebluff Canal (KLR) 286
    4 Arclight Phoenix (GRN) 91
    2 Crackling Drake (GRN) 163
    1 Finale of Promise (WAR) 127
    1 Brazen Borrower (ELD) 39
    1 Mystical Dispute (ELD) 58
    1 Ox of Agonas (THB) 147
    2 Stormwing Entity (M21) 73
    1 Spikefield Hazard (ZNR) 166
    4 Riverglide Pathway (ZNR) 264
    4 Unholy Heat (MH2) 145
    4 Expressive Iteration (STX) 186
    4 Dragon's Rage Channeler (MH2) 121
    1 Den of the Bugbear (AFR) 254
    4 Consider (MID) 44
    1 Flame-Blessed Bolt (VOW) 158
    4 Stormcarved Coast (VOW) 265
    1 Otawara, Soaring City (NEO) 271
    Sideboard
    1 Negate (STA) 18
    1 Pithing Needle (MID) 257
    1 Fry (M20) 140
    1 Brazen Borrower (ELD) 39
    1 Mystical Dispute (ELD) 58
    2 Soul-Guide Lantern (THB) 237
    2 Anger of the Gods (AKR) 138
    2 Abrade (VOW) 139
    1 Crackling Drake (GRN) 163
    1 Narset, Parter of Veils (WAR) 61
    2 Svyelun of Sea and Sky (MH2) 69

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the list.

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was going to pick this list for net week's modern match because it looks so fun, but it's unfortunately not legal in any of the formats we play :0
      - Carl

    • @otakudibyan24
      @otakudibyan24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CardmarketMagic so sad but the non legal cards can be substituted though

  • @TimyrosNachos
    @TimyrosNachos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love devotion decks

  • @nathanerickson8836
    @nathanerickson8836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pog

  • @jellysandjamz250
    @jellysandjamz250 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any day control loses is a good day

  • @jewski6852
    @jewski6852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    100% you play the awakening first

  • @TheeKrix
    @TheeKrix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gabriel “yellow teeth” Nasir

  • @JayJayPea1
    @JayJayPea1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Extremely low level play from a hall of fame player. Gabriel used to be good but this looked like some new player who’s never played control before. 0 thought into his plays just randomly cast spells.