How To Use Vintage Army Knife Can Openers "Lobster Claw" & "Potato Digger" Styles...
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FYI even though I mentioned it in the video I could have stayed closer to the rim of the can for a bigger opening hole the nub on the tool is suppose to rub against the lip as a guide...Not the best example but you get the point, haha
Yes, the nub on the short blade should be on the outside or riding on the outer rim.
John Bullen is totally right! And the angle of the cutting blade supposed to be about 30 degrees faced outside of the can not 90 degrees to the lid as it was shown on that video. Basically, if your can opener is sharp enough you can pierce your can lid with the sharp part, angle your can opener about 30 degrees outside, start turning your can holding can opener in a static position and keeping second part of the can opener riding the rim. So you would get a perfectly round opening with a super sharp edge inside it and supersharp metal circle from the lid.
Yeah, with the nub riding on the rim, it's much easier as the rim won't give like the lid will.
Awesome 👍 video , last time I saw this done was 1978 I was 63 lbs and had a bobcat patch sewn on my blue shirt . 15 boys being boys learning how to be men .
I think the front pivot part is meant to be placed on the rim, then the blade lifted, then repeat. I think.
G Dog yes you are right, I remember when such an implement was in my grandmothers kitchen drawer.
Yes, that is how mine works. Not sure how well that would work with that outfit he has.
I was taught to use this type can opener around the top outside of the can, it works slightly better, but still leaves a sharp edge but the cans used to be made of much thinner and softer tin.
so the side of the can rather than the lid?
It's ment to oppen on the outside of the can with the blunt oposing tab on the inside of the lid holding it when you push the "sharp" tip in the side cutting the whole topp off
I learn so many interesting things from you! Keep ‘em coming.
I had an old dedicated opener (kitchen tool not a part of a knife) that had a curve to the blade that followed the can shape and a top bar that pries up on the rim of the can. It actually worked really well.
@cutlerylover the top tab is designed to lever against the top edge of the rim of the can and the penetration needs to be right up against the inside rim of the can. Give it a try and you will find the tool works much more effectively.
Its actually meant to hook over the rim and cut open around the side, not the top. Actually works very well when used correctly.
@@pfg_pedals Cool, some of them old openers are great!
@@badoldbiker368 they work a lot better than what was shown. Definitely easier to usr as designed. I wasn't sure until Hobie mentioned it and then I saw Nikos Nikgyver's video demo.
This "claw" type can opener was designed for cut the top of can from the side, not for cut the lid on the top.
See "Victorinox 1897 replica how to use the can opener" - this type of (side cut) can opener was used in SAK up to 1945 (1961 in the Soldier version).
I’ve always wondered how this old model can openers worked. Thank’s for your video!
Jeff the nub on the non-sharpened part is supposed to hook the outside of the rim on the can then the point goes into the top and gets worked around
thanks it would appear that way but this design was not meant to be used on the rim, the nub is suppose to be pressed against the inside lid to keep a consistant cut close to the edge which I didnt do in the demo sadly lol...
Thanks so much for this video! I have a Kamp King pocketknife with this style can opener, and I wasn't sure how to use it. I'll stick to my swiss army knife or my p38!
I have never seen that before. Thanks for sharing Jeff.
My Grandpa had one of these he used on camping trips or trips to the lake.
The old British army knives had this style of can opener, looks even more like a lobster claw than either of these two. The can opener on the genuine victorinox SAK's is one of the best I've used, when used correctly. If there's any SAK owners out there that don't know about Felix Immler on youtube yet I suggest you check him out, his vids will help you get the absolute best from your SAK.
Victorinox used three different types of can opener, with sub-variations variations.
The first model - 1897; use one like show in this video and was for cut off the top of the can from the side, not cut the lid on top like the guy in the video did. This first model was used up to 1945 (1961 in the Soldier model).
Those are made for cutting wall of the can and not the lid.
Shorter part of that can opener hooks on the lid edge.
Older cans whose made out of thinner metal.
But with evolution of cans can openers also evolved and those are now "moderne" can openers.
Very cool, The can opener on the German army cutlery set works the same and yes it makes a mess of the can lol.
Thank you, I had never seen a can opener like this. Appreciate the tutorial.
i think this style is suppoded to be used sideways so the whole top comes off
Holy Stromboli the Mercator! Ive lost it somewhere but love that knife
I found an old Gerlach Polish "Swiss army style" knife from the cold war. It's a solidly built sucker but I didn't know how to use this style of can opener since it's not like the one on my SAK Tinker...until now.
That was really interesting. I had never seen that style of opener.
During WWII this style of can opener caused so many injuries that it lead to the newer style being developed.
Hook the small foot on the outside of the rim and go counter clock wise is how they were meant to be used
Yeah really all wrong in this vid
Fuck Jeff for the win!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 Dude for twenty years I've been trying to figure out how my grandpa's Kamp King opened cans and I've used so many can openers but couldn't figure it out. Today for the past thirty minutes I've been researching how and nobody knew it seemed like on top of not every Kamp king had this specific can opener 🤣 your openers are slightly different but same mode of operation. I can't believe I missed this video for almost a year but I'm glad you of all people solved my problem. My grandfather didn't even know how to use it and said when he was a kid he used it for cleaning his nails, and in the army he used it to strip insulation off wires. So either way he got use from it haha.
I think the style of mine will actually grab the lip of the can to cut a wider hole 🤔🤔🤔 guess im eating that can of Wolf brand chilli for lunch.
hmm interesting, a familiar ratcheting kind of deal, but it leaves more of the inside of the lid in place... that could have some uses however. for speed your almost better off just using a decent knife. Various techniques for that depending on the knife. P-38 much safer to open cans.
yes the P-38 was invented in 1942 this style was used before that at least in the teens to 20's for sure but all the way up to the other more modern designs...
That is beautiful
First time I've seen this. Thanks!
Hi Jeff. Longtime viewer, few time commenter... I know the video is an old one. In this you mentioned you had at one point dated all of your knives and sometimes lose track of which is which date sometimes.
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I hope this helps, nice Mercator multi knife too, thanks for the videos, and take care buddy. Peace😊👍
👍🏼I had just been wondering how those work. Looks terrible. :)
I like the sak style. It saved the day a few times.
The version I have has a round pin on the right, with a nice bevel or groove in the middle, which sits right on the rim of the can and guides the blade around the edge. It leaves a slightly wider edge around the can which makes it harder to empty the can, but not really worse than the rim left on a pop top can. Maybe a bit sharper with all the jagged edges left. They didn't expect you to bother washing and recycling the cans back then. The design was different, and they are called "tin cans" because they were actually run, which is softer. So the openers actually made a lot more sense back then. And that is why you read about guys opening cans with their pocket knives, which makes one cringe today. And I don't really see how the Army worrying about troops cutting themselves changed much. They adopted the P-38 after this, which leaves edges just as sharp. If it is safer it is in the motions needed to open the can. I would speculate that it was that soldiers were losing their can openers and using their knives or bayonets, and so the Army came up with a requirement for canned rations with a disposable can opener with each can. That was the P-38/P-50. Honestly, the Boy Scout Knife I have works just as well as a P-38, and the pivot isn't going to wear out after a few dozen cans like a P-38 does. And yes, I have real ShelbyCo ones.
yup, old-school, handy stuff. Something people should realy learn, how to open a can or bottle in a varety of ways and using a variety of tools.
yeah I agree you never know what situation you may be in, I like the cody lundin method of opening a can by sanding down the lid seal on the curb lol...no tools needed...
@@cutlerylover ye i've used that with a flat rock once or twice. an absolute bitch if it isn't perfectly flat. better off with pretty much any other method if you don't have concrete work or flattened stones around.
@@wepntech ;) knowledge is power the more you know the better off you are, my problem is I have tons of random factoids in my heads leaving little room for some important stuff like remembering dates hahahahahaa
@@cutlerylover I'm terrible with names and dates. mostly cause I have...limited interest.
To open the can piece the can with the awl as close to the rim as possible. Put the cutting edge in the can have the “ hammer head “ on the rim , work the opener around fully. You should reduce the sharp edge considerably
using the awl to start it is a good idea :) but the sharp edge up is unavoidable its been recorded lots of soldiers got injuries from using this can opener...it became such a problem they changed it...
cutlerylover yes I’ve seen the upgrade it still leaves a jagged edge
My dad has that knife from when he was a boy scout
As many viewers have pointed out, you are supposed to use the can rim as support.
And it is an Otter Mercator. Pronounced "mer-kater" in English, "mer-kahter" in German. As in "Mercator projection". Never heard "mer-cah-tor" before.
that awl I think is also usable as a marlin spike.
yes its big and rounded enough to use it that way as well
I have this old boatsman folder with a lobster claw, had it for some time and tried to figure out how to use the can opener. Never managed it until I saw your vid. The one that invented the lobster claw should have been put in front of the judges in Haag for crimes against humanity. Thanks for sharing the trick.
The can actually looks like the old tin cans in old cartoons lol
i have a really old "scout knife" pocket knife where the can opener is just a small curved blade with a ridged backing. it has the letters "can opener" on it and its puzzled me how the heck that would work. the lobster thing you tested seems easier to figure out.
this may help... www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?t=56338
@@cutlerylover yeah thats it, picture 4 example 3, notched ridge. i always thought the knife was busted because i never seen a can opener look like that.
thanks, it seems pretty crude as well.
These kind are called lobster claw and the "new style" is called an eagle claw. That nub on the can opener supposed to ride on the lip of the can for more stability.
It looks like those tools you get used for cracking open crab legs
yeah it really does I think those are called shukaneers :) seafood shellers...
If you watched my hubertus video my first time useing this can opener it took me 4 min lol
Faster than my 1st time when I 1st saw this design on an old camp knife it took me a an hour to find any info on how to use it haha part of the reason for this video maybe someone will remember it if they stumble across an old knife that has it...
I've seen videos of prisoners using tops of cans as cutting tools.
I feel like I can open a can easier with a potato, than with that thing.
Should've broke out the P38. Most people haven't a clue on that one too.
Meant to add that is why the teeth are on the old Scout knife
Or you can go in from the side (at the top)
ive never seen it done from the outside of the can to completely remove the top I imagine it would be way more difficult...This is how it was designed to be used from everything I have seen in old books and literature...
Give it a go, you may be surprised or then again maybe not...!?
Wenger or Victorinox style can opener?
there were several but lots of videos on TH-cam about how to use them, Im not sure if Ive done one in the past or not
@@cutlerylover Sorry, I meant which style do you prefer? Looking through your past videos, you did do one on Victorinox's, but didn't see one on the kind that Wenger used.
It is crude because you are using it completely wrong. The cans back then opened around the rim on the side, not the top. You plunge the blade in and then lift up with the flat part pushing on the side as a lever. NikGuyver has a vid demonstrating correct use. Old cans even had a line on label to show where to open thwm.
Round the edge of the lid with the non cutter resting on the rim 😱
That is not a big awl, it is actually a "deknoting" tool, it helps you undo knots... we use that alot on the ships
edit: i love those can openers, you just use it wrong, use that "big awl" to punch a hole near the edge and lift with the hook on the edge that way will be much much of a cleaner cut
It's called a fid, and is used in splicing rope and cable.
Seems like a normal can opener just reversed.
I've had better results from using just a normal kitchen knife.
Certainly not safe but easier to control the cut, especially with cheaper knives that have a lot of spring in them.
isn’t this claw opener supposed to open the can from the side???
Whilst it is definitely not optimal, in an emergency, it opens a can
that's why I have p38 can opener it's safer.
Gets the job done I suppose
Love your channel man. Hope TH-cam treats you well 👍
Jeff man your doing it wrong lol honestly two other ways to use this top around the ring and outside the ring but to each his own.
It is really depressing to me that we live in a world where people actually need to go to TH-cam because they bought a bunch of canned goods and then realized they don't even own a can opener. To have gone through life never having needed a can opener means you either eat out every single day, or you have someone cook for your. I assumed most people would be coming here because they were curious about these weird old can openers and curious how they are supposed to work, not because they actually didn't know how to open a can without a pop top (and anyone who has never encountered a regular can top is just as bad).
I can't watch this. The little notch of that can opener should be ON THE EDGE OF THE CAN so that you have a lever !
Love your channel
thanks
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Wow, thats a terrible design, haha. I have used my Leatherman can opener on many a camping trip, especially years ago when not all the cans had pop tops. The Leatherman version is fantastic.
Darth Croll leatherman does can openers right
No. Is fantastic!!
@@garciagar75 Lol, well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. 👍
The guy don't use this "claw" can opener like was intended, it's for cut of the top of the can, bellow the top, not for cut the top lid. See a video showing the correct use with the Victorinox 1897 replica.
You’re holding it upside down. The end with the 90° is suppose to hook into the outside of the can. That is now your pivot point and pull up making the blade go into the can. Keep repeating. If you ever used a p-38 you know what I’m taking about
these can openers are not the best, but they can open ANY can. i mean the old style cans. and you should have started to open your can closer to the can's rib or whatever you call it.
Yeah have to be careful 😬
yes very careful with this style, slow and steady
is not the right way to use this type of can opener,this type of vintage can opener cut the tin on the side,not on the top,the tins was different at the past.
I've been opening cans with kitchen knifes like this for years
Sie verwenden das nicht richtig. Was sie als "Hammer"bezeichnen, gehört auf den Rand. Dann funktioniert das besser als alle anderen Dosenöffner, weil das Blech nach außen und nicht nach innen gedrückt wird.
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Jeff... my dude... you use these just like a standard p38 or p52 can opener... the lip on the bottom side... hooks under the rim of the can on the outside, and then you press down into the can...
You butchered the heck out of that can bud.
You're doing it wrong. You have to cut closer to edge.
Why cant americans use can openers? Is there a can-elf in their land?
Man does that suck.
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This is incorrect, see this video for proper use of this style, at 6 : 19 :
th-cam.com/video/8zE008eriDc/w-d-xo.html
Don’t quit your day job.
uhhhhhhhhh.....this does not seem correct....there is an extra edge for a reason.....place that on the rim.............. re-do the video please
You must have figure out by now...that you are totally doing the wrong
You are doing it wrong, mate
"cutlerylover", adult man, makes a video of how to use a can opener, but does not even know how to use a can opener XD all these videos of americans not knowing how to use a can opener, yet making a video about how to use a can opener, almost amazing... do all of you miss common sense?
Perdón.....pero no lo xsabes usar ten cuidado en lastimarte y sobre todo que muchos lo van a querer usar así.....