A long while back there was a bit of a tussle about dado stacks being too dangerous. Now they are added to the long list of things Brits can't own legally.
You can certainly keep storing them together. However, you will need to begin storing your thumb on the igniter of a lighter somewhere away from all those other items. Spontaneous combustion and whatnot
Ok, for the extra points and feels, I'm willing to give up my oily rags and supply of over the counter linseed oil, but only for two weeks to flatten the curve. Then we'll all go back to normal.
If it were me, and I were honest, I’d just upload the complete unedited video of both camera angles. And if I were dishonest, I’d find some reason that I couldn’t.
Hey, this sort of thing happens to honest and upstanding folks all the time. Just look at how frequently body cam/dash cam footage goes 'missing' from the safe and secure custody of those super-honest and upstanding folks who run around in blue costumes with badges, guns, and qualified immunity. History tells us that it's universally attributable to budgetary constraints, compounded by the completely innocuous gross negligence of an honest and heroic, humble, public servant. A mere "training issue," easily remedied from any future repeats, with a 40% larger department budget, and a weekend retreat 'training event' at some swanky resort hotel with an open bar, and a curiously high number of 'ladies of the evening' roaming about. Who're we to question it? I say we give this poor TH-camr the same benefit of the doubt. Allow him to 'investigate himself' and unilaterally clear himself of any wrongdoing; and then we can consider the matter closed. After all, who could argue against such a system as that, aside from bona fide freedom-hating terrorists?
6:46 Something I am just now noticing, is the bag that ignites is also the only one that has the rags exposed. It would be hard to light the briquette and then close the bag in time to catch the baby flame on camera before the whole bag went up.
@@SpankyK I know a dude who does it all the time, to satisfy his pyro urges without getting into trouble. He figures the man is gonna make it illegal soon, so he keeps it all on an external USB burner drive.
I remember being a kid and feeling frustrated that none of the products I bought worked as well as they should. Now I know why. All the good chemicals were banned and I was using fisher price imitations.
Since 2014 in the EU, RIP paint strippers that actually strips paint 🥲. To be fair, the issue with those was not false news but people not reading the labels or more likely reading them but being desensitized and deading themselves by using the product in small non ventilated spaces.
You can buy it in the UK, you just have to make a declaration that you are an industrial user. It's a completely screwed up situation though. Nothing works as it should any longer
Honestly for a toxic, ozone-depleating chlorinated solvent I'm shocked it remained OTC and readily available for as long as it did. The real shame with the ban though is that it doesn't apply to industrial users - and these users are where the majority of the deaths occur from.
I've really enjoyed it. AVE does some good investigation and reasoning that I sure as shit don't normally put behind watching a video. Kinda like having a FunkFVP short but in a long form and with factual information's. Gosh its good.
@@gadgetg9479 that’s almost as bad as the 💩 crap video you’re obviously trying to defend against do you have any idea what spontaneous means or combustion for that matter I think not learn something before you start babaling like an idiot 😂😊
If that stuff had self ignited as claimed, you'd smell and feel it way before ignition. Nile Red has done some experiments with acrolein and I don't think he was overly fond of the stuff.
Considering Nigel once said that the worst stinking chemical created by humans was "not that bad", I'd say that if he says something's bad on the nose and lungs, it's fucking horrific.
I was on the fence, mostly because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock. But your recent contributions have swayed me back into the fold. Keep doing you, my maple backed brother!
I was o. The fence because I've done this experiment and could never get it to work even slightly. It never occurred to me to use different types of rags.
I've got a 3D printer. I could print up a bunch of F's for you as long as you don't mind the plastic variety. (Hmmm... maybe I should design up a cute little F's maker/challenge coin...) 🤣
@@Sembazuru Put them in the give/take-a-penny trays at stores and whatnot. Just don't make them a color that someone could argue that it's made to look like a real money, without getting laughed at.
Acrolien... ahhh so thats what it was that set my lungs on fire when I walked into my shop 25 yrs ago when it was filled with smoke from the oily rags that were smoldering away in the trash can, its a smell I will never forget and will easily recognize if ever exposed to it again...
Those briquettes are amazing. Every time I’ve wanted to spontaneously start a campfire or barbecue they’ve never let me down. But I’m a spontaneous kinda guy. Excerpt when it comes to buying receptacles. Then I do my research.
Little trick for getting the perfect/easiest frames that you need on TH-cam (on computer): Pause video, press . to scan forward and , to scan backwards frame-by-frame.
The chemical putridity AvE experienced in his test made me think back to the initial video and I was thinking busted, there's no way you wouldn't have noticed and mentioned that, I mean I know it's obviously faked but the point is you only can fake what you expect to happen and this guy had no idea about the toxicity so he doesn't mention it.
I've used neigh on an IBC worth of boiled linseed oil and other "spontaneously combusting" wood finishes in my time as a professional dust maker. A mixture of carnauba wax, turpentine, and BLO comes to mind. Smells great while you're working with it, it's waterproof, it doesn't fade under UV rather it develops patina. Great stuff. Just one very simple thing to remember. At the end of the day, when the dust starts to settle, you put those rags on a laundry rack outside. I've seen rag buckets catch fire seemingly out of nowhere, but never with just BLO rags in them. There was always a mixture of oily rags in there so add things like turpentine, and thinner to the mix. And depending on whether someone had say rip sawed a taxus or some Nordic pine there might be rags in there that were soaked in isopropyl alcohol. It's that mix of all kinds of things that exothermically polymerise and things that have low boiling and autoignition temperatures that makes it interesting. Also it's like a stove, you have to keep feeding a rag bucket for quite a while for it to actually build up enough heat, at which point you need to add something more inflammable than BLO. Something like say, turps or IPA.
maybe you just don't have an eye for packaging, that's fine. the "white gas" can is actually Linsheen Boiled Linseed Oil, which absolutely makes sense in a woodshop. Looks nothing like your image of Coleman Camp Fuel. Wrong is wrong, even for you.
@@arduinoversusevil2025I'm telling ya. I've seen tack cloth and stain start shop fires. Smokes like the dickins before but it will. it's not a happy mixture.
i like how AvE started as a sceptic of auto-ignition and then proceeded to gas himself out of the shop to conclude that his mistrust was misplaced. Sceptic of the schiller, not of auto-ignition.
Lived in the same town as Biz Markie for a while. He'd come into the mall and walk around with his 3 or 4 buddies. Sold them some South Park dolls out of Spencer's one time. #RIP Biz
If we haven't, during the last three years, learned the problem with failing to call out obvious lies vigorously, I don't know if we ever will. But it's a good principle that needs a reminder sometimes.
We had a local politician go to a Tractor Supply and buy about $1500 worth of T-posts to put his election signage on. After he lost the election he tried to return them.
Also, when I saw the big red "Busted" on the thumbnail I thought it was going to be a Thunderfoot video... he makes some awesome videos mind you and seeing yours has managed to put me into a state of unbalanced preference. You have reached a level of "busting" equal to or maybe even higher than TFs incredible capacities... you rock dude!!
Good work on this one. If anyone is really paranoid about oily rags going up in flames, just vacuum seal them when you're finished with them. Remove the oxygen and they's no chance of rapid oxidation. I use my food vacuum sealer. In a pinch, I'll just toss my rags in a ziplock bag and purge as much air as possible before sealing. While I know it's probably not necessary it does give me the peace of mind of knowing I won't wake up to a fire after a night of working in the shop.
I wonder if you could make a big bucket / receptacle with a one-way valve that you could shove your shop vac hose into and suck the air out that way? Just toss the rags in, run the vacuum for a minute, and clean it up in the morning!
I throw mine in the ground away from anything flammable. So if they do ignite they don't ignite anything else. Also don't have them in big piles, any heat will easily dissipate
I also agree with Dan. Who cares about his looks and the name calling we can do without it. He was polite and never said shit about your demonstration but proved that it is possible if you are a moron it is possible. I still see no reason why to not believe dans findings. And yes it does seem like an extreme situation but it’s 100% possible! That other dude though… wow! Lol keep it up mr ave!
I once barely avoided a serious fire with linseed oil soaked paper towels. The smouldering smell coming out of that trash can was the most notable part. My entire garage was full of smoke and it was just a few rags in a 5 gallon bucket. I'll never forget the smell either. Very distinct and very toxic smelling.
Once again I'll state the obvious, anyone trying to start multiple fires in an insured building in plastic cans needs an insurance adjuster visit and recalculation
I believe it's pronounced acro-leen. And in its pure firm is a nasty molecule. At a facility I used to work at we had spontaneous fires a couple of times a month. The storage tanks were buried, as well as pointed (angled under groundl) up and out of the facility into the gulf o mehico in the event they ever decided to no longer reside there by way of half-assed rocketry
I've lit more fires than most people have had hot dinners. I love that moment where the gasses and smoke get to a point where you can almost predict combustion to the second. Aint no fire without smoke. I've left a bunch of linseed rags in direct sunlight (after I taught myself French polishing) and I've never been so disappointed.
Yo Ave! Been a subscriber for years now. I’m a leadworker from the uk, I use linseed oil soaked rags all day every day. In my 18 years of leadworking I’ve witnessed this phenomenon at least 3 times. Always happened on really hot days When the rags were left old used and wet in the mid summer sun 😂 Pretty sure this old toy did a vijeo on the subject too. Mucho luvo Callum
Box of stain soaked rags in a cardboard box, in a dumpster, in the summer, in Texas. Also I suspect that the rags being soaked, then used until dry over and over may have something to do with it.
In the early 80's I worked Civilian/DOD QA Liason on the B-1, strategic coatings, through several different configurations of craft and formulations of "paint". (This is when painters used to clean their hands, arms, even cheeks and ears with Xylol to remove the paint overspray before going home... OSHA who?) Early on, we had spontaneous combustion of the used paint filters, from the spray booth, spontaneously combusting. We'd pull the used booth filters after shift, and stuff them in the "empty as you can get with a hydraulic paint pump" 55 gallon metal drums, and set them out on the loading dock for hazmat disposal. Well, damit man, they kept catching on fire overnight. We ended up having to fill ea barrel with water after stuffing with used filters. As a conscientious adult, I wonder that the water ended up in an aquifer somewhere. 40 odd years later, thousands of oily rags in trash later, not one fire in my shop. I will say; however, I regard and treat waxes, paints, solvents, and epoxies with due disposal respect. I did leave a greasy rag in my pocket "once", and due to barely surviving the Mrs's full on assault over the residue in "her" washing machine tub, for personal safety and self preservation, I now secretly add Goop to her washing detergent.
Military installations tend to be toxic waste dumps. A friend of a friend bought an old abandoned cold war radar station cause he thought it was awesome. Then you find out that the groundwater is completely unusable for over 2 miles surrounding the place. There's a lake about a mile down the hill that's completely devoid of animal life. An extremely toxic deicer was used for decades on the radar equipment that completely poisoned the ground. then mix in everything was painted with lead paint and has been unmaintained for years. So all that lead paint got rained into the ground. He bought a nightmare.
Another "Treat Especialle"! Good attention to detail on pointing out the "extra constituents" on the floor. I also now noticed how all the plastic garbage can brand labels were all perfectly facing the camera.
"Empty every night", where? Onto the giant pile on the floor? A second oxygen-limiting flame proof can?(BTW all you need is a way to limit oxygen and the reaction can't happen fast enough to heat up let alone run away.)
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I really hope you find a protege editor worthy of your humor and your message. Always felt like your mind was a light in the dark!
I’ll add another option, for those who don’t want to think he just wanted to sell metal garbage cans. He had a friends shop burn down. Subconsciously or consciously he will do whatever he can to make that not be a result of negligence or malicious actions.
This is beginning to be the equivalent of that amazing youtuber who suffered an engine out and jumped out of his plane - and then the plane crashed. By an extreme stroke of luck, this magically happened on the one day he decided to wear a parachute and even luckier for us, he managed to film it all! And we was so worried about the potential enviromental damage from the wrecked planed, that he had it all removed before the authorities had a chance to investigate the crash site. What a stand up dude. I just love TH-camrs with such dedication not only to truth, knowledge and entertainment but also to their sponsors. The sponsors must surely love them, too.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and I love them. I saw this video a while back and also thought the spontaneous combustion was BS. I sanded and oiled a shovel handle last night and threw the paper towels in a canvas bucket in the bed of my truck. Today while I was at work, at about 4PM, the wife calls me, frantic, and tells me the truck is on fire. The fire originated from that bucket. Once I told the fire marshal about the oily towels he believed that to be the cause. Unless someone lit the bucket on fire while I was gone I have no other explanation. I believe this may be an actual hazard to people. Thanks for the videos keep it up.
Just learning about the toxic off gas was well worth the price of admission just once I'd love AvE to finish the vidjayo with --- "and ever since I've been the CHAMP!"
Hi AVE. I am an E&I (electrical and Instrumentation Tech) and I have been offered a job as an underground E&I at a gold mine in Nevada. I have accepted the offer and I will start at the Mine next month. I learned my Trade in paper mills and fuel refineries. Any advice for me?
Yes there is a small risk that can be easily mitigated without buying a $200 fancy metal trashcan, and if it does start to happen it's going to smoke and smolder a ton before it gets to that point of bursting into flame. The other video made it seem like you could just be working and turn around and half your shops on fire if you don't have a special fire can.
You are 100% correct, there is always smoke before flames, as anyone who has lit a fire in a fireplace, woodstove would know..Forget to open the damper and see what happens....Good call on this guy...👍👍👍
I been pretty skeptical of your accusations on this one, but the toxic gas production is a pretty strong point. I thought it was weird af that anyone would use plastic trashcans, especially since the metal ones are cheaper, but most the wood workers on youtube are artsy fartsy weirdos, so it's kinda something they would do.
I don't understand the point of buying a 'fireproof' bin that needs to be emptied every night? Is that not like saying this is a crash proof car, just don't drive it.
And, in this case it lead to a good discovery when someone else tries to replicate it. I always heard it was just linseed and other nut oil rags, so it never happened to me despite actually trying to make it happen. This video series taught me I was using the wrong rags. Apparently paper towels don't work as well. Now there's a debate on why one would use paper towels or cotton rags, but in my experience it comes down to cost and versatility. Tangent aside, I would try this again with new knowledge, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.
In 15 years of woodworking/wood lathe I have never had an issue, I have always draped used rags (one layer thick) over the edge of a metal bin (trash cash) to dry. I suspect that most modern finishing oils are actually formulated to actually minimise fire risk and poisoning the user. I would suggest a special bin (or trash can) is of no help anyhow, get into the habit of drying used rags to stop any issue in the first place.
Im pretty certain Dan is right on the money, re-creating almost burning down his garage. And i know after watching many live streams, he doesent drink or partake in any mind altering substances. Hes a pretty sincere dude. Aka hot rod Jesus. And him repeating how bad the smoke was. Calling out the faker,good on ya! He’d be dead if he wasnt faking the whole thing,btw.
Just to be clear, you are not saying this effect never happens, just that it is relatively rare, and easily preventable, right? I have only ever seen it actually happen on a hot humid day in a steel dumpster in the alley behind a cabinet shop, where it self extinguished after a couple of hours, putting out some horrific fumes.
Of course he wasn’t. He never expressed or implied otherwise. It’s quite the opposite really.. each video was largely focused on how the “phenomenon” does occur! My mind boggled itself to death trying to figure out how so many people came to that conclusion (assuming they watched the videos at all)
@@ConceptXX I can only speak for myself, but he stated "bullsXXt" several times while referencing "spontaneous" combustion, so it was confusing. I presumed he meant only the way it was shown in that specific video, but his speech pattern can be vague (deeblie doo, etc) .😆
My 66 VW van, became a portable wheeled barbecue. When I tried the gas heater. After putting it out with a bucket of snow. The fire underneath, melted the home job starter wires together. Did it hop hop hop, to the box of perforation charges, or the plywood wall? To be 18 again, and in the shop alone. Having finished my work early. The good old days.
There was (IS) a full dirty shop rag container here when I bought this place in 2005. I guess I shulda emptied it somewhere along the line, because I'm still waiting for it to Combust.
The first thing I learned im science class is that when doin an experiment, you need a control. So with this, you gotta put some clean rags in a garbage can to see if they combust with a fire starter.
Love the "BUSTED" plastered across the thumbnail. Very Tf00t. Great work, I am appalled at the lack of rigor demonstrated by this creator, from the box of zip logs, to the weather channel, to the magazine pages. Not to include his immunity to the effects of noxious chemicals off gassing. You can't make this stuff up.
@@dh2032 Even without convection, gases naturally spread out to evenly fill whatever container/environment they're in (limited by density somewhat) Also convection would be a factor well before ignition
If only thunderf00t could stop repeating himself 4,500,000 times per video turning what could be 10min into 30 and pick another subject other than elon musk
Bourbon Moth Woodworking did a re-enactment of the Hindenburg disaster. He proved that the disaster was caused by carelessly stored Zip briquets and that had the Hindenburg been manufactured out of Fire Safe Rag Containers, the airship would have moored safely at Lakehurst NJ.
About to move into a van because fuck real state speculation. I treathed the interior whit linseed, should I be concerned by the off gases or shit just gets nasty when you fuck up?
isnt it the hardener in the oils that cause an exoterm reaction that cause the combustion? Personally, i have had rags combust when they were lying outside on some concrete tiles, scared the shit out of me, because i was almost to lazy to throw em outside, because i couldnt be bothered getting clothed (had showered after sanding and oiling floor) it pisses me off that the message of shop safety gets clouded by people trying to capitalise on it.
not to be that guy... but I started machining when Lead Hammers were still both available and widely used... all the old machinists that used them, farkin dingy as a bellfree, not many of them got to enjoy retirement either. and honestly, the deadblow hammers we can get now work better (stanley compucast for the win BTW) and them zip lites are fecking gawbage, unless you are trying to light a plastic garbage can full of paper scraps... even then they took their sweet time.
Kind of reminds me of the sawstop guy when he first invented it he tried to get the government to make it a requirement for all saws so companies would be required to license it from him. Now you got all these youtubers pushing sawstop saws and talking about how it save them from cutting their fingers off. How about keep your fingers away from the blade. If your sawstop is constantly saving you then you might want to rethink your hobby/career.
The part about misinformed lawmakers regulating linseed oil scares me...never forget what they did to our gas cans.
I personally love my new gas cans that cause me to spill way more gasoline in one use than five years of using the old style.
Don't wanna be that guy, but your Jerry cans, not ours as of yet, stay strong brother 🇨🇦🇺🇸
@@TheMrrappel son of a... You better hope Trudeau doesn't hear about this.
@@jozak78 LMFAO!
@@RustyorBroken LOL
this is the most drama the woodworking community has had since one of them said a certain miter gauge sucks
Oh man.... Please don't start THAT thread up again.
A long while back there was a bit of a tussle about dado stacks being too dangerous. Now they are added to the long list of things Brits can't own legally.
I thought they realised they were using metric degrees.
Don't forget the Mathias vs John "pocket holes" saga (I actually loved that :) )
@@Corvid- I'm surprised the UK still allows kitchen cutlery TBH.
Thank you AvE. I will not be storing my fire starting bricks with my used linseed oil rags anymore
This comment…legendary!
Wimp. 😜
Don't forget to store your matches in the same bin
So I guess nesting my gas cans in a bed of used linseed oil rags wasn't a good idea.
You can certainly keep storing them together. However, you will need to begin storing your thumb on the igniter of a lighter somewhere away from all those other items. Spontaneous combustion and whatnot
Ok, for the extra points and feels, I'm willing to give up my oily rags and supply of over the counter linseed oil, but only for two weeks to flatten the curve. Then we'll all go back to normal.
If it were me, and I were honest, I’d just upload the complete unedited video of both camera angles. And if I were dishonest, I’d find some reason that I couldn’t.
Low level staffer walked off with the footage
Hey, this sort of thing happens to honest and upstanding folks all the time.
Just look at how frequently body cam/dash cam footage goes 'missing' from the safe and secure custody of those super-honest and upstanding folks who run around in blue costumes with badges, guns, and qualified immunity.
History tells us that it's universally attributable to budgetary constraints, compounded by the completely innocuous gross negligence of an honest and heroic, humble, public servant. A mere "training issue," easily remedied from any future repeats, with a 40% larger department budget, and a weekend retreat 'training event' at some swanky resort hotel with an open bar, and a curiously high number of 'ladies of the evening' roaming about.
Who're we to question it?
I say we give this poor TH-camr the same benefit of the doubt. Allow him to 'investigate himself' and unilaterally clear himself of any wrongdoing; and then we can consider the matter closed.
After all, who could argue against such a system as that, aside from bona fide freedom-hating terrorists?
@@trozz7660 it spontaneously combusted i suspect
The footage was corrupted and the security guards were asleep and the garbage cans had been on suicide watch anyway.
The comment section on his bs video has been reopened. Go over there and ask him where the footage went.
Reminds me of that time NBC used incendiaries to show that Chevy truck gas tank exploding during a side impact demonstration in the early 90s.
Should have put an affiliate link to the fire starters on this video.
Genius
Well done sir 😂
....and for them Cute Brute bins! I didn't know they came that small (that's what she said)
6:46 Something I am just now noticing, is the bag that ignites is also the only one that has the rags exposed. It would be hard to light the briquette and then close the bag in time to catch the baby flame on camera before the whole bag went up.
Wouldn't that also be the one with the greatest oxygen supply and thus the one of the three bags most likely to go up first in an honest experiment?
Surely he could just release the 10 minutes of footage preceding the "spontaneous" combustion to evidence a lack of foul play?
Or just release the whole 8 hours of footage unedited.
How can u trust at this point with cgi capabilities
@@DrewsReviews07 lolz😂 CGI
@@DrewsReviews07can you make cgi linseed oil fires?
@@SpankyK I know a dude who does it all the time, to satisfy his pyro urges without getting into trouble. He figures the man is gonna make it illegal soon, so he keeps it all on an external USB burner drive.
like they outlawed methylene chloride paint stripper. cant buy the jeezless thing anywhere.
I knew a stripper named methylene once.
I remember being a kid and feeling frustrated that none of the products I bought worked as well as they should. Now I know why. All the good chemicals were banned and I was using fisher price imitations.
Since 2014 in the EU, RIP paint strippers that actually strips paint 🥲.
To be fair, the issue with those was not false news but people not reading the labels or more likely reading them but being desensitized and deading themselves by using the product in small non ventilated spaces.
You can buy it in the UK, you just have to make a declaration that you are an industrial user. It's a completely screwed up situation though. Nothing works as it should any longer
Honestly for a toxic, ozone-depleating chlorinated solvent I'm shocked it remained OTC and readily available for as long as it did. The real shame with the ban though is that it doesn't apply to industrial users - and these users are where the majority of the deaths occur from.
This series is the gift that keeps on giving.
I've really enjoyed it.
AVE does some good investigation and reasoning that I sure as shit don't normally put behind watching a video. Kinda like having a FunkFVP short but in a long form and with factual information's. Gosh its good.
The grift that keeps on giving even.
No doubt!
If we all through a few $ in we can pay for ave to go see a doc and there might’ve be a chance he will take his meds again.
@@gadgetg9479 that’s almost as bad as the 💩 crap video you’re obviously trying to defend against do you have any idea what spontaneous means or combustion for that matter I think not learn something before you start babaling like an idiot 😂😊
If that stuff had self ignited as claimed, you'd smell and feel it way before ignition. Nile Red has done some experiments with acrolein and I don't think he was overly fond of the stuff.
And that boy could drain a septic tank and IMMEDIATELY move in without complaining of the smell..
@@mattfleming86 he does love his smelly fuming chemicals...
And nile isn't phased by much smell wise, as in barely even the slightest
@@mattfleming86 Weird question, Matt, but where you from? We might be related.
Considering Nigel once said that the worst stinking chemical created by humans was "not that bad", I'd say that if he says something's bad on the nose and lungs, it's fucking horrific.
I was on the fence, mostly because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock. But your recent contributions have swayed me back into the fold. Keep doing you, my maple backed brother!
I was o. The fence because I've done this experiment and could never get it to work even slightly. It never occurred to me to use different types of rags.
"because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock" 🤣🤣 stealing this
I've got a 3D printer. I could print up a bunch of F's for you as long as you don't mind the plastic variety. (Hmmm... maybe I should design up a cute little F's maker/challenge coin...) 🤣
@@Sembazuru Put them in the give/take-a-penny trays at stores and whatnot. Just don't make them a color that someone could argue that it's made to look like a real money, without getting laughed at.
@@Sembazuru can it print HDPE?
And the moral of the story is- Never heed the advice of a man with a tidy shop, you just can't trust them.
Acrolien... ahhh so thats what it was that set my lungs on fire when I walked into my shop 25 yrs ago when it was filled with smoke from the oily rags that were smoldering away in the trash can, its a smell I will never forget and will easily recognize if ever exposed to it again...
"I love the smell of brake cleaner in the morning."
It is real, but what that hoser did is criminal!
@@billlewis9740 of course the red can
Were you watching an episode of Seinfeld when you walked into the shop?
Those briquettes are amazing. Every time I’ve wanted to spontaneously start a campfire or barbecue they’ve never let me down. But I’m a spontaneous kinda guy. Excerpt when it comes to buying receptacles. Then I do my research.
Best youtube channel no click bait garbage just straight Honesty and morals
Whoa whoa whoa don't take a good waffle and chuckle for anything but good fun. That's what keeps the rent down.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 yeah, people might start expecting things and then where will you be?!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I hate honesty and morals.
@@lordchowder Politician?? 😊
If by "morals" you mean the kind that attract loose women, then yeah.....
imagine having the desire to lie to sell literal garbage receptacles
This shit is real it was even on the News th-cam.com/video/9yq6VW-c2Ts/w-d-xo.html
Most TH-camrs have links to the things they use.
@@Goalsplus yeah, to make money there mr room temp IQ
almost... trashy
@@landrec2 10/10
Lesson learned - I need some of those zip lighter briquettes.
Little trick for getting the perfect/easiest frames that you need on TH-cam (on computer): Pause video, press . to scan forward and , to scan backwards frame-by-frame.
Good tip!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 or just hit Shift+/ (for ?) while playing a video and it'll bring up the keyboard shortcut screen :)
Thanks random comment that's actually really helpful sometimes.
I’ve heard of flame wars but this is ridiculous
I just toss my oily rags in the shop wood stove. If they burn up in there, no biggie, and if they don’t, they make a good fire-starter for later.
The chemical putridity AvE experienced in his test made me think back to the initial video and I was thinking busted, there's no way you wouldn't have noticed and mentioned that, I mean I know it's obviously faked but the point is you only can fake what you expect to happen and this guy had no idea about the toxicity so he doesn't mention it.
GREAT point
I've used neigh on an IBC worth of boiled linseed oil and other "spontaneously combusting" wood finishes in my time as a professional dust maker. A mixture of carnauba wax, turpentine, and BLO comes to mind. Smells great while you're working with it, it's waterproof, it doesn't fade under UV rather it develops patina. Great stuff.
Just one very simple thing to remember. At the end of the day, when the dust starts to settle, you put those rags on a laundry rack outside.
I've seen rag buckets catch fire seemingly out of nowhere, but never with just BLO rags in them. There was always a mixture of oily rags in there so add things like turpentine, and thinner to the mix. And depending on whether someone had say rip sawed a taxus or some Nordic pine there might be rags in there that were soaked in isopropyl alcohol.
It's that mix of all kinds of things that exothermically polymerise and things that have low boiling and autoignition temperatures that makes it interesting.
Also it's like a stove, you have to keep feeding a rag bucket for quite a while for it to actually build up enough heat, at which point you need to add something more inflammable than BLO. Something like say, turps or IPA.
maybe you just don't have an eye for packaging, that's fine. the "white gas" can is actually Linsheen Boiled Linseed Oil, which absolutely makes sense in a woodshop. Looks nothing like your image of Coleman Camp Fuel. Wrong is wrong, even for you.
YES! Phreeeking Brainiacs I tells ya. I will add that to the erratta. Thank you!
@@arduinoversusevil2025I'm telling ya. I've seen tack cloth and stain start shop fires. Smokes like the dickins before but it will. it's not a happy mixture.
That was not fire starter on the ground not even the same color of package and the logo is not even close
Yeah the package of the fire starter on the ground didn't look like the one you showed. Unless they changed the logo. I dunno
@@nicholas4839I think it's a folded up Sun Chips bag, you can see it around 22:30 of the burbonmoth video. The S and U match the Sun Chips logo.
i like how AvE started as a sceptic of auto-ignition and then proceeded to gas himself out of the shop to conclude that his mistrust was misplaced. Sceptic of the schiller, not of auto-ignition.
Ah,hell!!!! Ya done gone dragged the greased pig into it!
this is what happens when people don't even understand how their own scam is supposed to work
The lie is half way around the world before truth gets it’s boots on
Seems like we have a lot of that going on these days
Damn that is a fine quote!
I still love that you always keep the *add text box when you've added text. It somehow gives me the warm fuzzies
Lived in the same town as Biz Markie for a while. He'd come into the mall and walk around with his 3 or 4 buddies. Sold them some South Park dolls out of Spencer's one time. #RIP Biz
it also explains why the bag and barrels didn't totally melt those fire starters don't burn that hot.
I'm a recovering dullard. The eyes and ears are willing, but the gray matter is soft and spongy.
I am a man, I can change, if I have to.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I guess
When he sat down in front of the camera to play his “pocket flute” I had seen enough.
you have no idea how much I love seeing hacks getting called out for bullshit. You are the GOAT.
If we haven't, during the last three years, learned the problem with failing to call out obvious lies vigorously, I don't know if we ever will. But it's a good principle that needs a reminder sometimes.
He didn't number the garbage cans or even remove the stickers because they were all returned to the store.
plastic bin not the greatest for doing things with fire?
We had a local politician go to a Tractor Supply and buy about $1500 worth of T-posts to put his election signage on. After he lost the election he tried to return them.
The commentary about the Lion of Truth is spot on. I often tell people "I'm too dumb to lie." Keeping track of the truth is difficult enough.
I mean if you're going to fake something, don't leave the thing you're faking with in the video. 😆
Looks like a quack, ducks like a quack, shits like a duck, its definitely a goose.
Or something.
Also, when I saw the big red "Busted" on the thumbnail I thought it was going to be a Thunderfoot video... he makes some awesome videos mind you and seeing yours has managed to put me into a state of unbalanced preference. You have reached a level of "busting" equal to or maybe even higher than TFs incredible capacities... you rock dude!!
That's what I thought too lol
You know....TF could bust the chemical hell out of this...might be a fun colab
Good work on this one. If anyone is really paranoid about oily rags going up in flames, just vacuum seal them when you're finished with them. Remove the oxygen and they's no chance of rapid oxidation. I use my food vacuum sealer. In a pinch, I'll just toss my rags in a ziplock bag and purge as much air as possible before sealing. While I know it's probably not necessary it does give me the peace of mind of knowing I won't wake up to a fire after a night of working in the shop.
Or like someone said before just stick them in a barrel of water
I just hang mine from a nail on the wall to off gas and dry out.
I wonder if you could make a big bucket / receptacle with a one-way valve that you could shove your shop vac hose into and suck the air out that way? Just toss the rags in, run the vacuum for a minute, and clean it up in the morning!
I throw mine in the ground away from anything flammable. So if they do ignite they don't ignite anything else. Also don't have them in big piles, any heat will easily dissipate
I also agree with Dan. Who cares about his looks and the name calling we can do without it. He was polite and never said shit about your demonstration but proved that it is possible if you are a moron it is possible. I still see no reason why to not believe dans findings. And yes it does seem like an extreme situation but it’s 100% possible! That other dude though… wow! Lol keep it up mr ave!
I once barely avoided a serious fire with linseed oil soaked paper towels. The smouldering smell coming out of that trash can was the most notable part. My entire garage was full of smoke and it was just a few rags in a 5 gallon bucket. I'll never forget the smell either. Very distinct and very toxic smelling.
wait, are the burn barrels made of plastic?
I can't even buy lawn darts anymore smh
Time to buy a lathe and get making
I find spontaneous combustion is more consistent when I start the fire
Luckily I filter my linseed oil fumes through a filter cigarette, tastes better than tanalith filtered through a cigar.
Maybe it's because bourbonmoth is keeping his farts in, while uncle BF is constantly venting the secondary opinion hole. Put Randy Marsh on the case!
Never hold in a fart! That's where shitty ideas come from!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I get my best ideas from the trash can.
ZIP Fire Starters needs to become the official sponsor of the channel now
Sure he hot boxed the linseed, he just didn't inhale.
"I did not have sexual relations with that greasy box."
Yeah, now imagine a world where it's illegal to investigate whether something is a lie.
Once again I'll state the obvious, anyone trying to start multiple fires in an insured building in plastic cans needs an insurance adjuster visit and recalculation
Visited by a man with no foreskin
I believe it's pronounced acro-leen.
And in its pure firm is a nasty molecule.
At a facility I used to work at we had spontaneous fires a couple of times a month.
The storage tanks were buried, as well as pointed (angled under groundl) up and out of the facility into the gulf o mehico in the event they ever decided to no longer reside there by way of half-assed rocketry
🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥
How do we know if we're in the brainiac or dullard group? I'm confused.
A mere millisecond of self-reflection tells the tale Rusty.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 a wise man is defined by his understanding that the more you know the less you know.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 also Dunning-Kruger
I've lit more fires than most people have had hot dinners. I love that moment where the gasses and smoke get to a point where you can almost predict combustion to the second. Aint no fire without smoke.
I've left a bunch of linseed rags in direct sunlight (after I taught myself French polishing) and I've never been so disappointed.
Yo Ave! Been a subscriber for years now. I’m a leadworker from the uk, I use linseed oil soaked rags all day every day.
In my 18 years of leadworking I’ve witnessed this phenomenon at least 3 times.
Always happened on really hot days When the rags were left old used and wet in the mid summer sun 😂
Pretty sure this old toy did a vijeo on the subject too.
Mucho luvo
Callum
Box of stain soaked rags in a cardboard box, in a dumpster, in the summer, in Texas. Also I suspect that the rags being soaked, then used until dry over and over may have something to do with it.
In the early 80's I worked Civilian/DOD QA Liason on the B-1, strategic coatings, through several different configurations of craft and formulations of "paint". (This is when painters used to clean their hands, arms, even cheeks and ears with Xylol to remove the paint overspray before going home... OSHA who?) Early on, we had spontaneous combustion of the used paint filters, from the spray booth, spontaneously combusting. We'd pull the used booth filters after shift, and stuff them in the "empty as you can get with a hydraulic paint pump" 55 gallon metal drums, and set them out on the loading dock for hazmat disposal. Well, damit man, they kept catching on fire overnight. We ended up having to fill ea barrel with water after stuffing with used filters. As a conscientious adult, I wonder that the water ended up in an aquifer somewhere. 40 odd years later, thousands of oily rags in trash later, not one fire in my shop. I will say; however, I regard and treat waxes, paints, solvents, and epoxies with due disposal respect. I did leave a greasy rag in my pocket "once", and due to barely surviving the Mrs's full on assault over the residue in "her" washing machine tub, for personal safety and self preservation, I now secretly add Goop to her washing detergent.
Military installations tend to be toxic waste dumps. A friend of a friend bought an old abandoned cold war radar station cause he thought it was awesome. Then you find out that the groundwater is completely unusable for over 2 miles surrounding the place. There's a lake about a mile down the hill that's completely devoid of animal life. An extremely toxic deicer was used for decades on the radar equipment that completely poisoned the ground. then mix in everything was painted with lead paint and has been unmaintained for years. So all that lead paint got rained into the ground. He bought a nightmare.
Another "Treat Especialle"!
Good attention to detail on pointing out the "extra constituents" on the floor. I also now noticed how all the plastic garbage can brand labels were all perfectly facing the camera.
"Empty every night", where?
Onto the giant pile on the floor? A second oxygen-limiting flame proof can?(BTW all you need is a way to limit oxygen and the reaction can't happen fast enough to heat up let alone run away.)
AvE Your video editing skills are just amazing, in a world of those who are very capable I am glad we have you.
meh. I have my own esthetic. No need to geld Lily. But maybe I'll add a computer animated guitar riff and sparks and sugar skullz.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 whoah there, calm down a bit - a body can only take so much.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I really hope you find a protege editor worthy of your humor and your message. Always felt like your mind was a light in the dark!
He’s drawin him in like a Moth to the Flame.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 sir that's copyrighted by ElectroBOOM because that's how giggles has determined it works.
I’ll add another option, for those who don’t want to think he just wanted to sell metal garbage cans.
He had a friends shop burn down. Subconsciously or consciously he will do whatever he can to make that not be a result of negligence or malicious actions.
I'd love a 'AvE vs BS' series in the name of Science.
The vs. is already in the name, as is the BS. "AvE = "Arduino vs. Evil"
AvB?
This is beginning to be the equivalent of that amazing youtuber who suffered an engine out and jumped out of his plane - and then the plane crashed. By an extreme stroke of luck, this magically happened on the one day he decided to wear a parachute and even luckier for us, he managed to film it all! And we was so worried about the potential enviromental damage from the wrecked planed, that he had it all removed before the authorities had a chance to investigate the crash site. What a stand up dude.
I just love TH-camrs with such dedication not only to truth, knowledge and entertainment but also to their sponsors. The sponsors must surely love them, too.
I've seen boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits mixed 2:1 in a cotton rag (left in the sun mind) start to combust.
I'll have to try that.
Works gooder on faded plastic. Never seen it even smoke in the small batch req'd for that. Rag flat hung dry in the shade.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and I love them. I saw this video a while back and also thought the spontaneous combustion was BS. I sanded and oiled a shovel handle last night and threw the paper towels in a canvas bucket in the bed of my truck. Today while I was at work, at about 4PM, the wife calls me, frantic, and tells me the truck is on fire. The fire originated from that bucket. Once I told the fire marshal about the oily towels he believed that to be the cause. Unless someone lit the bucket on fire while I was gone I have no other explanation. I believe this may be an actual hazard to people. Thanks for the videos keep it up.
Just learning about the toxic off gas was well worth the price of admission just once I'd love AvE to finish the vidjayo with --- "and ever since I've been the CHAMP!"
Hahaha I would love to hear that
Hi AVE. I am an E&I (electrical and Instrumentation Tech) and I have been offered a job as an underground E&I at a gold mine in Nevada. I have accepted the offer and I will start at the Mine next month. I learned my Trade in paper mills and fuel refineries. Any advice for me?
Fun! Keep your mouth shut and stay in line, you'll do fine.
So is there a risk from oily rags or not? Albeit a slight one. There seems to be untold warnings about it from, what should be, reputable authorities.
I'm an idiot, but I have a metal trash can with a metal lid. Cheap insurance, just in case 🤷♂️
There is a risk bit no so dramatic as shown in the debunked video.
@@nickhetzer2744 Cheers. Thumbs up for a straight answer.
Yes there is a small risk that can be easily mitigated without buying a $200 fancy metal trashcan, and if it does start to happen it's going to smoke and smolder a ton before it gets to that point of bursting into flame. The other video made it seem like you could just be working and turn around and half your shops on fire if you don't have a special fire can.
Yes, but it is easily managed. Just don't bundle up wet oily rags. Spread them out until they dry.
You are 100% correct, there is always smoke before flames, as anyone who has lit a fire in a fireplace, woodstove would know..Forget to open the damper and see what happens....Good call on this guy...👍👍👍
The first 5 minutes reminds me of the time my doctor was describing my liver
I been pretty skeptical of your accusations on this one, but the toxic gas production is a pretty strong point.
I thought it was weird af that anyone would use plastic trashcans, especially since the metal ones are cheaper, but most the wood workers on youtube are artsy fartsy weirdos, so it's kinda something they would do.
It’s the way of the carbon foam gnawing wood elf.
"proper f*cken dullards" He noticed me!!
The flash ignition of your young fella’s vidoe at 11:11 looks to me how materials light when heat builds for sure
No way in hell those peas just spontaneously grew out of those cups!
I don't understand the point of buying a 'fireproof' bin that needs to be emptied every night? Is that not like saying this is a crash proof car, just don't drive it.
Every good fake science experiment starts with a dodgy camera angle.
And, in this case it lead to a good discovery when someone else tries to replicate it. I always heard it was just linseed and other nut oil rags, so it never happened to me despite actually trying to make it happen. This video series taught me I was using the wrong rags. Apparently paper towels don't work as well. Now there's a debate on why one would use paper towels or cotton rags, but in my experience it comes down to cost and versatility. Tangent aside, I would try this again with new knowledge, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.
But what brand fire lighters would you use? Maybe two different ones and a block of wax as a control? Double blind? 😁
In 15 years of woodworking/wood lathe I have never had an issue, I have always draped used rags (one layer thick) over the edge of a metal bin (trash cash) to dry. I suspect that most modern finishing oils are actually formulated to actually minimise fire risk and poisoning the user. I would suggest a special bin (or trash can) is of no help anyhow, get into the habit of drying used rags to stop any issue in the first place.
Im pretty certain Dan is right on the money, re-creating almost burning down his garage. And i know after watching many live streams, he doesent drink or partake in any mind altering substances. Hes a pretty sincere dude. Aka hot rod Jesus.
And him repeating how bad the smoke was.
Calling out the faker,good on ya! He’d be dead if he wasnt faking the whole thing,btw.
Yes Hot Rod Jesus!
Just to be clear, you are not saying this effect never happens, just that it is relatively rare, and easily preventable, right? I have only ever seen it actually happen on a hot humid day in a steel dumpster in the alley behind a cabinet shop, where it self extinguished after a couple of hours, putting out some horrific fumes.
And the key being that when it does, the mass fumes and smoke come first not a clean flame.
@@feyrband That was my experience.
Of course he wasn’t. He never expressed or implied otherwise. It’s quite the opposite really.. each video was largely focused on how the “phenomenon” does occur! My mind boggled itself to death trying to figure out how so many people came to that conclusion (assuming they watched the videos at all)
@@ConceptXX I can only speak for myself, but he stated "bullsXXt" several times while referencing "spontaneous" combustion, so it was confusing. I presumed he meant only the way it was shown in that specific video, but his speech pattern can be vague (deeblie doo, etc) .😆
My 66 VW van, became a portable wheeled barbecue. When I tried the gas heater. After putting it out with a bucket of snow. The fire underneath, melted the home job starter wires together.
Did it hop hop hop, to the box of perforation charges, or the plywood wall?
To be 18 again, and in the shop alone. Having finished my work early.
The good old days.
Empty nightly . . . into what?
There was (IS) a full dirty shop rag container here when I bought this place in 2005. I guess I shulda emptied it somewhere along the line, because I'm still waiting for it to Combust.
I love this series!
The first thing I learned im science class is that when doin an experiment, you need a control. So with this, you gotta put some clean rags in a garbage can to see if they combust with a fire starter.
No matter what your side is, this is the best oily rag fight on TH-cam.
Love the "BUSTED" plastered across the thumbnail. Very Tf00t. Great work, I am appalled at the lack of rigor demonstrated by this creator, from the box of zip logs, to the weather channel, to the magazine pages. Not to include his immunity to the effects of noxious chemicals off gassing. You can't make this stuff up.
The BUSTED thumbnail made me think it WAS a Thunderfoot video. 😂
would the gas not just stay in the buckets, until at least the heat build-up fire broke out, and convection got things moving? in the air?
@@dh2032 Even without convection, gases naturally spread out to evenly fill whatever container/environment they're in (limited by density somewhat)
Also convection would be a factor well before ignition
If only thunderf00t could stop repeating himself 4,500,000 times per video turning what could be 10min into 30 and pick another subject other than elon musk
@@yucannthahvitt thunderf00t secretly has a crush on elon and is jealous, that's why our pube-headed friend only makes videos about him
So linoleum flooring and counter tops in a house fire could potentially be the killer... why do we use such a material?
Why in the hell would the guy choose PLASTIC trash cans to use to test 🔥 FIRE 🔥? DERP!
Bourbon Moth Woodworking did a re-enactment of the Hindenburg disaster. He proved that the disaster was caused by carelessly stored Zip briquets and that had the Hindenburg been manufactured out of Fire Safe Rag Containers, the airship would have moored safely at Lakehurst NJ.
Great job AVE. I always enjoy your chats. May the force be with you.
About to move into a van because fuck real state speculation. I treathed the interior whit linseed, should I be concerned by the off gases or shit just gets nasty when you fuck up?
It's fine, just when it gets hot. Once dry you're golden.
i APPRECIATE ANYONE WHO CALLS THOSE ON THEIR BULLSHIT. We need more people like us, thank you.
isnt it the hardener in the oils that cause an exoterm reaction that cause the combustion?
Personally, i have had rags combust when they were lying outside on some concrete tiles, scared the shit out of me, because i was almost to lazy to throw em outside, because i couldnt be bothered getting clothed (had showered after sanding and oiling floor)
it pisses me off that the message of shop safety gets clouded by people trying to capitalise on it.
you are spot on with people running with the nonsense... like sig Sauers going off on their own....
I’ll probably never use Linseed oil or even store in my garage but I’m captivated by this series!
Dewclaw wants his tablecloth..ahem...shirt back.
"Can't buy a lead hammer cause someone thinks you're gonna eat it" 😂😂😂 (so true)
not to be that guy... but I started machining when Lead Hammers were still both available and widely used... all the old machinists that used them, farkin dingy as a bellfree, not many of them got to enjoy retirement either. and honestly, the deadblow hammers we can get now work better (stanley compucast for the win BTW)
and them zip lites are fecking gawbage, unless you are trying to light a plastic garbage can full of paper scraps... even then they took their sweet time.
As Norm MacDonalnd once said,
"Why, I have nothing to gain from this lie"¡
Kind of reminds me of the sawstop guy when he first invented it he tried to get the government to make it a requirement for all saws so companies would be required to license it from him. Now you got all these youtubers pushing sawstop saws and talking about how it save them from cutting their fingers off. How about keep your fingers away from the blade. If your sawstop is constantly saving you then you might want to rethink your hobby/career.