Nice job! Used to use Gatorskins, my experience was they had poor grip in wet, but never wore out and would fail at the sidewalls or from dry rot on sidewalls. Nowadays I still use Contis on my road bikes but use Grand Prix, Grand Sport and Ultrasport. The 25mm Grand Prix's made in Germany are my favourites as the black chili compound is very grippy, run them with Cyclami TPU tubes. My steel Thorn Audax has a Zefal HP pump on seat stay pip, great pumps. I can't understand why Bike industry is ditching rim brakes, so much better on a road bike for us amateurs.
As someone who started using Tubulars 44 years ago and has used everything else in between it is refreshing to see this video. Only the ignorant and ill informed, ie most riders these days, would maintain that clinchers and tubeless are an improvement on tubulars for normal road use!
I agree they have their advantages but better no, just different. Every tech has its pros and cons. I do think the standard clinchers without the tubeless ready rims were the best everyday tyre. But tubulars are a close runner up.
@@waynosfotosahhh you dissapoint me, for someone who rides Look you should know better, lol. True, quality clinchers have come a looong way in the last decade or two, possibly, probably to even be the equal of tubular maybe for some. But subjective pros and cons (mainly ill made excuses made about their "convenience") aside, tubular by design IS the pinnacle of road bike tyre technology hands down. Used by a competent person they are objectively better by any criteria.
@markcarlton i have tubulars for race day, but for trainimg clinchers are much better. Have a peice of glass slash your tyre, throw a tire boot on it and replace the tube. They all fit nicely in a saddle bag, not so easy with tubulars.
@@stpOwnerso we are in agreement...for absolute performance always use tubular, otherwise as an acceptable compromise, go with second best if you don't mind second best.
Like you Wayno, I love my tubulars and I'm looking for some 26mm or 27mm tubs if they exist to run on a Time VXR with Campy Bora Ultras. I have tried 28mm with some clinchers but they are just a bit tight on clearance. Currently I am running Vittoria 25mm tubulars. Also it's not easy finding Veloflex or Challenge tubulars in Aussie. Really appreciate your knowledge on this stuff. Any clues? Thanks . . .
That's how my clincher GatorSkin tires start to falloff. I thought they would last longer than a year, but I was wrong :( On the other hand, my Tubular Gatorskin tires are lasting more, but I don't use them a lot.
Well I never knew you could get Gatorskin tubs, interesting. Used Gatorskins (wired on) for winter commuting in the UK and at sub zero temperatures they become very hard and unresponsive and slip on metal work around drains etc but they sure are puncture resistant and got me home over the mountain in the snow and ice at midnight on a number of occasions, so can't complain..
Hey Wayno, I've always used glue as in the UK tape is not allowed on track bikes but picked up some super cheap, super light Corima rims for a road bike build, thinking of using tape basically for ease of change if I get punctured. Anyway I noticed you didn't spin the wheel to check tyre alignment before pulling off the backing tape, does the tyre self align with the rim when pumped slightly before the backing is removed? With glue I have to mess about after as it grabs as I'm putting the tyre on.
I find if you put a little air in, not too much, they do come pretty straight. You never get them perfect even if you mess with them, and the area around the valve is always a little off.
Yes, if the glue has been put on previously, get an old rag and a hair-dryer or heat gun. Heat till the glue goes soft and wipe with the rag, move around the rim. It is not necessary to get absolutely all the glue off, but it must be only a film left. Thanks for popping bye. Enjoy
I personally Prefer TUFO tubs and tape, as the quality is also very good. Conti's are a wee bit OTT with their pricing. Same goes for Vittoria....Tubs should'nt cost more than a ton! ££$$$€€€€.....
I ride gatorskins. Fixing a flat on the side of the road where i live; well lets just say 'its not a good idea'. That being said, Fixing gatorskins to Reynolds rims is nightmarish!
Too much faff with gluing. I have used Tufo tapes for ages. Never once have I had a single issue with this. Replacing a tyre takes me 20 mins. This may be concern for people who race at a high level, but us aging recreational riders don't ride nowhere near aggressively enough to risk a failure of the bond, me thinks.
Glue works but tape technology now makes it stronger, and easier to fit. If tape can hold bus and building windows in, you can be sure that the high end tapes are better than old Mastik. If you carry a spare tub, a taped rim means a new tyre fitted results in enough tack that the replacement tyre is safe enough to ride on.
Glue is def the premium option. But you can use tape inside and no need for gloves or solvents, and no toxic fumes. Tape can also be done on the side of the road very easily from a punctured tyre, if you don't want to mess around when you get home. It also doesn't go hard. I get it, for racing yes, for everyday use, I feel tape is a better option.
Nice job! Used to use Gatorskins, my experience was they had poor grip in wet, but never wore out and would fail at the sidewalls or from dry rot on sidewalls. Nowadays I still use Contis on my road bikes but use Grand Prix, Grand Sport and Ultrasport. The 25mm Grand Prix's made in Germany are my favourites as the black chili compound is very grippy, run them with Cyclami TPU tubes. My steel Thorn Audax has a Zefal HP pump on seat stay pip, great pumps. I can't understand why Bike industry is ditching rim brakes, so much better on a road bike for us amateurs.
Great video, thanks for posting! I'm two rides into my first tubulars, conti sprinter Gatorskins. Absolutely love the ride quality.
I have tufo tubs on my older classic bike and they've been perfect. I had a blowout a few weeks ago on a newish clincher tyre
Oh Great! Look who came on the start of Le Tour!
As someone who started using Tubulars 44 years ago and has used everything else in between it is refreshing to see this video. Only the ignorant and ill informed, ie most riders these days, would maintain that clinchers and tubeless are an improvement on tubulars for normal road use!
I agree they have their advantages but better no, just different. Every tech has its pros and cons. I do think the standard clinchers without the tubeless ready rims were the best everyday tyre. But tubulars are a close runner up.
@@waynosfotosahhh you dissapoint me, for someone who rides Look you should know better, lol. True, quality clinchers have come a looong way in the last decade or two, possibly, probably to even be the equal of tubular maybe for some. But subjective pros and cons (mainly ill made excuses made about their "convenience") aside, tubular by design IS the pinnacle of road bike tyre technology hands down. Used by a competent person they are objectively better by any criteria.
@markcarlton i have tubulars for race day, but for trainimg clinchers are much better. Have a peice of glass slash your tyre, throw a tire boot on it and replace the tube.
They all fit nicely in a saddle bag, not so easy with tubulars.
@@stpOwnerso we are in agreement...for absolute performance always use tubular, otherwise as an acceptable compromise, go with second best if you don't mind second best.
Interesting ! Thanks for sharing ❤
I used gator skins for many year's no problem do check them after every ride
Like you Wayno, I love my tubulars and I'm looking for some 26mm or 27mm tubs if they exist to run on a Time VXR with Campy Bora Ultras. I have tried 28mm with some clinchers but they are just a bit tight on clearance. Currently I am running Vittoria 25mm tubulars. Also it's not easy finding Veloflex or Challenge tubulars in Aussie. Really appreciate your knowledge on this stuff. Any clues? Thanks . . .
I’ve got the same Gatorskins and tape and I love it. But……. I use some sealant in it for 3 years and never had a flat tire 👌🏻
I use tubular and tape is the only reason i can bare tubulars. Also the used tubular wheels are super cheap!
That's how my clincher GatorSkin tires start to falloff. I thought they would last longer than a year, but I was wrong :(
On the other hand, my Tubular Gatorskin tires are lasting more, but I don't use them a lot.
Well I never knew you could get Gatorskin tubs, interesting. Used Gatorskins (wired on) for winter commuting in the UK and at sub zero temperatures they become very hard and unresponsive and slip on metal work around drains etc but they sure are puncture resistant and got me home over the mountain in the snow and ice at midnight on a number of occasions, so can't complain..
Hey Wayno, I've always used glue as in the UK tape is not allowed on track bikes but picked up some super cheap, super light Corima rims for a road bike build, thinking of using tape basically for ease of change if I get punctured. Anyway I noticed you didn't spin the wheel to check tyre alignment before pulling off the backing tape, does the tyre self align with the rim when pumped slightly before the backing is removed?
With glue I have to mess about after as it grabs as I'm putting the tyre on.
Some tyres self align straight away, some not, but it is quite easy to re-align when you are pulling the tape from under the tyre bit by bit.
I find if you put a little air in, not too much, they do come pretty straight. You never get them perfect even if you mess with them, and the area around the valve is always a little off.
@@waynosfotos thanks
GatorSkin tyres? Animal rights should hear about this!
ahahahha it’s just a name or is this “black humor” from the UK
@@SprayIgniteBoom a crime and black humour
That's funny. A rain bike in Perth.
My word the old tyre looks 100 years old i'm surprised it lasted that long.
Do you clean the old glue off the rim?
Yes, if the glue has been put on previously, get an old rag and a hair-dryer or heat gun. Heat till the glue goes soft and wipe with the rag, move around the rim. It is not necessary to get absolutely all the glue off, but it must be only a film left. Thanks for popping bye. Enjoy
Hell yeah I run those also!!!
I personally Prefer TUFO tubs and tape, as the quality is also very good. Conti's are a wee bit OTT with their pricing. Same goes for Vittoria....Tubs should'nt cost more than a ton! ££$$$€€€€.....
Had success with tufo tape so far
Using gatorskins should be a crime.
I ride gatorskins. Fixing a flat on the side of the road where i live; well lets just say 'its not a good idea'. That being said, Fixing gatorskins to Reynolds rims is nightmarish!
I use tubulares... You should use glue... Not tape! Glue is a lot safer (the Victoria glue is really good 👌)
Too much faff with gluing. I have used Tufo tapes for ages. Never once have I had a single issue with this. Replacing a tyre takes me 20 mins. This may be concern for people who race at a high level, but us aging recreational riders don't ride nowhere near aggressively enough to risk a failure of the bond, me thinks.
Glue works but tape technology now makes it stronger, and easier to fit. If tape can hold bus and building windows in, you can be sure that the high end tapes are better than old Mastik. If you carry a spare tub, a taped rim means a new tyre fitted results in enough tack that the replacement tyre is safe enough to ride on.
@@patrickparisienne1917 And one doesn't need to breathe in the toxic glue vapour when re-fitting.
Glue is def the premium option. But you can use tape inside and no need for gloves or solvents, and no toxic fumes. Tape can also be done on the side of the road very easily from a punctured tyre, if you don't want to mess around when you get home. It also doesn't go hard. I get it, for racing yes, for everyday use, I feel tape is a better option.
Bin the Conties, Veloflex are the only road tyres you’ll ever need.
I use them on my other bike.
That wheel looks 15-20 years old
Yep and still works fine!
You arr like from 19 century
Yep a dinosaur 🦕 😀
Tubular - worst idea in cycling history (not saying little). Just avoid.