What's Left of Pearl Harbor's Secret Past?
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00:00 Unveiling Pearl Harbor: Exploring the Forgotten Stories of Infamy
00:53 Rising Tensions: From Diplomatic Clashes to the Road to Pearl Harbor
03:35 Behind Enemy Lines: The Espionage at Pearl Harbor.
09:15 Missed Signals: The Radar Oversight at Pearl Harbor.
12:46 Resilience and Recovery: Stories of USS Nevada and USS California at Pearl Harbor
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The title of your video is "What's Left of Pearl Harbor's Secret Structures?".
Would you be so kind as to tell me at what time stamp that question was answered?
What's that you say? You can't provide it because your video doesn't contain that content?
Considering that all you did was repeat the account of the attack, which has nothing to do with answering the question it is of no surprise to me.
That video showed nothing relevant to the title.
So what is left of Pearl Harbor’s secret structures as I didn’t see any of that mentioned in the video?
Came here to say this.
Thanks. You saved me from wasting my time watching it. I didn’t want a history lesson.
That's pretty much standard for his videos. Fake title for views.
Amen sounds like clickbait
Yep - TOTAL click bait title…
I was hoping you'd be talking about what's left. No mention of the ship graveyard, no mention of the abandoned radar sites, and no mention of any of the remaining ww2 harbor structures ?
Cry baby
Wah
It is the title after all. Agreed.
THANK YOU. I HATE click bait....
the title states pearl harbours SECRET STRUCTURES. the hanger and national monument from the ship yard is not secret ..
My dad was at Hickham field playing baseball when the Japanese attacked.
He said that when they ran to the gun lockers, they were locked. This caused a delay as no one had the keys.
To his dying days he reiterated that he couldn't understand why they were locked as they were never locked previously.
There were lots of 'mysterious' 'odd' things like this that make no sense whatsoever that happened that I've heard about over the years
They can make sense, but only if you question the official reports of the events. @@jamiejones6994
Kinda like in lahaina when the cops were blocking people's egress....🤔🤔🤔hmmmm
@@erick5709exactly... They should be charged with murder
@@erick5709 THATS WHAT IM SAYING, agreed, the hawaii five-o were definitely under Chinese orders and I'm for sure not a mentally handicapped schizophrenic. I've been telling this to the staff at the institution every day and they wont listen will you please call my mother
The thumbnail is an aerial photo of the old coal docks that serviced the older BB dreadnaughts and other coal burning US Navy ships. Built 1903. Trains circulated on the elevated trestles and dumped coal. The USS Texas, last BB built for coal, was converted from coal to oil around 1925. The coal dock location was converted to dry docks by 1944. Search for Pearl Harbor Coal Docks.
Interesting, thank you for that.
Must have been a sight with trains up on the platform
I don't think the coal yard was in Pearl Harbor, but closer to Kewalo Basin. But it is part of the pre-history of Pearl Harbor.
I was curious, I was wondering if the trestles were the interior overhead trolly lines for some kind of a giant warehouse at first.
If the radar at Pearl had been properly used in an integrated command and control system, as the RAF has used it the previous year during the Battle of Britain, one wonders how different that attack would have been. One of the "what if?" moments of history.
it was like brit. subs in ww1 they didnt develop them because they thought the way they operated wasn't cricket. arrogance plus ignorance equals great great costs
"Not invented here" has often been the prevailing attitude to defend ignorance. In other words we didn't think of it first so we aren't going to make ourselves look foolish asking for help from the Brits. We have our pride, ya' know.
Absolutely, what if ? Suppose we had defended adequately that day. If and when would the U.S. have entered the war ? And would we have jumped in so hard ? Would Hitler have still declared war against U.S. ? I think it would have come to pass at some point, but what would have been the broken straw then ?
There was no direct communication between the radar site and command center to alert them. There was also confusion regarding a flight of bombers arriving from the US about the same time of the attack. Interesting how the Japanese never attacked the dry docks and oil reserves.
I always wondered if the Japanese
had also attacked and captured
Midway to be used as a follow up attack on Pearl Harbor.
@@PanioloBee As someone pointed out the US doesn't like using foreign technology even when it's beneficial. How anyone could think the formation of so many aircraft could have been a flight of much less B17's also coming from a different direction. Did they think they had missed the Island and had to turn to come in from a different direction? Also Admiral Nagumo was overly cautious and didn't allow a follow up strike which was planed to attack the dry docks and fuel storage. Had he sent out the third wave as planned would they have lost many more planes and pilots and would they have accomplished their goal?
You failed to mention the mock battle at Pearl Harbor in 1932 led by Rear Admiral Harry E. Yarnell to test the defenses of Pearl and was a complete success but under pressure from the Department of Defense gave the victory to Pearl. The attack was used a a template that the Japanese ended up using in 1941. Their attack was identical to the mock attack used by Yarnell almost a decade previously.
Do you mean Department of the Army or Department of the Navy? DoD did not exist before September 1947.
That's fascinating. That's the first time I've heard that. I always knew the Japanese were influenced by the British attack on the Italian Fleet at Toronto, but I didn't know about this.
So what are the secret structures? All you talked about was the attack and the damaged ships.
And then the thumbnail was of the coal yards that are part of the pre-history of Pearl Harbor, but weren't in Pearl Harbor itself. I came for the title and thumbnail and left disappointed as neither had been addressed.
Misleading Heading, no secrets from the past.
Two turrets were recovered from the Arizona and given to the Army. They were repaired, and emplacements prepared for them on the east and west points of Oahu. As the war moved into the western ocean, work slowed, and only one was finished before the end of the war. They were later scrapped.
Scrapped or just stored? Heard there's still parts of the Arizona that was cut off rusting nearby might include some barrels
@@doomaster4 Information from a book on seacoast fortifications of the US by the National Park Service.
While I was stationed at Pearl Harbour one of the vessels I was assigned to was the USS Barbel (SS580). During one exercise we tied up alongside the USS Utah. We tied up there so that the electricians could repair a piece of equipment that had been damaged during the exercise we were doing. I actually was able to stand on the sunken and rolled over hull of this once great battleship. This was a very sobering event as when the electricians finished their work, we assembled on our deck and had a ceremony for the fallen sailors of the Utah.
We then continued with our training exercise knowing that it was of vital importance to be ready no matter what to protect our vessel so that we did not end up like so many in the Utah, trapped and dead. I doubt that anyone except family members of the Utah ever go to that section of Ford Island, let alone ever hear of their valiant efforts to not just save their ship, but also to protect others from the onslaught of the attack on Pearl Harbour and Hickam Field.
I was stationed at Pearl. Many of the old buildings still have the bullet holes in them. One mystery for me though was when my ship would head over to NAVMAG at West Loch. Across the water was the sunken hulk of an old vessel covered in brush and rusting away. There was a plaque on the shore close to where we'd tie up, but it was on the other side of a fence and I could never seem to get close enough to read it. I always wondered about its story.
The ship you're referring to might be the battleship U.S.S Utah. It was moored on the west side of Ford Island and sunk during the attack. It was an old battleship that had been converted into a target shp. As such it's decks were covered with wood planking that made it's decks look flat and the Japanese pilots mistook it for an aircraft carrier. It was never raised and is still there.
@@tommybruner01 So, decided to do some more research, and it appears Google Maps finally got around to labeling it. (Google Maps was in its infancy when I was at Pearl). The ship in question according to Google is LST-480. She was sunk in 1944 by an accidental explosion that occured on the neighboring LST-353. The incident claimed several ships and the lives of 163 Sailors with an additional 396 wounded. The other ships were eventually moved, but LST-480 was left in place. As for USS Utah. I am familiar with her and have seen the memorial (It's closed to the general public but military can visit. The Parks Service is working on elevating her status through adding tours, but they have to do so while being mindful of the security and privacy of Ford Island residents). Ships don't often go to that side of Ford Island these days, but my ship did. Utah and Arizona are treated like active ships meaning that passing vessels are required to man the rails and render honors when passing.
Agree. Being an old vessel even by the beginning of the war, it was never refloated. As far as I know, Utah and Arizona are the only hulks remaining from that day.
@@tommybruner01 my husband was stationed at Ewa Beach and we went onto Pearl Harbor for a tour, it’s nice to know more about ALL the ships not just some. Thank you for your service, BTW. Have an awesome day.
The bullet holes can never be repaired theres some hangers with holes in window panes and the first bomb that was dropped the small crater is still there.
Thank you for explaining the geography of the harbor - that was the one thing that most documentaries omit.
Right, I always thought it was on the sea not a cove
I grew up in Williamsport PA. I played with the niece of Joe Lockard (radar operator that saw the incoming Japanese planes). I didn't know the significant part of history that man played on December 7th. He would come in town to see his mother. I thought he was a very nice person. he sadly died several years ago. Another member of the greatest generation slipped away from us.
We never hear about how our own commanders failed us on this day: ignoring warnings and dismissing early intervention attempts.
More than that, the commanders who were relieved afterward, but said to their dying day it was not their fault.
BUT while under war warning, the AA guns were at only 1/2 ammo, there was no early bird air patrol/search, no CAP - Combat Air Patrol over bases, no communication with Radar, no harbor anti torpedo nets out, no guards at the only electrical generator station, and not much at the Pearl Oil storage.
It was all treated kinda non serious from the top down.
I think the commanders deserved to be relieved.
@@tommy-er6hh They thought the most likely threat in Pearl Harbor was sabotage by Japanese loyal to their homeland.
Love this topic.
Drachinfel did a very good and comprehensive 3 video report on the salvage and return to service of the ships sunk at Pearl. For example, the Nevada was back in service for the start of the island hopping campaigns. It moved to the Atlantic for the North Africa invasion and bombarded the beach defenses at Normandy for Overlord.
You forgot the other sunken ship at Pearl Harbor. The USS Utah. A BB converted to a manned target ship.
I've been a frequent visitor to Pearl over the years, attending many of the Pearl Harbor Day ceremonies and meeting those survivors (a humbling experience). But, about 10'ish years ago I found out that the fuel/oil tanks at Pearl were not the only source of reserves for the ships in 1941. Now I haven't been back to prove this yet, but apparently up in the Aeia mountain area, there were secret oil reserves dug into the mountain. I believe there were 3 reserves, one had not been completed at the time of the attack.
I think you're thinking of the Red Hill Underground Fuel Storage Facility. The Roosevelt Administration kicked it off in 1940, and it was completed in 1943 - after the attack. It recently made headlines in 2021 when a spill contaminated the fresh water aquifer and it was ordered to be shut down.
@@muddy-one Could be, I was never given a name, just an area.
My family lives in Moanalua Valley adjacent to Red Hill, which did not exist prior to the war. It was said that you could look directly into the valley prior to tank construction. Sailors on night watch early in the war would have hissy fits about night-marcher torchlight processions in the valley, violating light curfew.
Wow the Radar incompetence
Reminds me of the French issues
During WW1 and 2
When their generals didn’t like change at all so they refused telegrams and preferred runners
Its called being FRENCH!
@@towgod7985 Surrender moneys.
The radar system was a long way from being ready to provide adequate information. Had Japan waited six months, the radar defense system may have been operational and the outcome might have been very different.
Did I miss the part about secret structures?
@BeauInPDX....No, you didn't miss the part...it was never discussed. Lying, fraudulent click-bait.
Excellent piece of history reporting covering many points that most of the videos I've seen, and there have been many, don't
I remember seeing an 80's movie shot in Hawaii where there were some structures in the background. I recognized what looked like parts of USS Arizona's superstructure. Specifically the high arch parts to the rear of the forward superstructure.
I guess we forgot what the episode was supposed to be about?
@VanessaFlyhight.....Do you mean "we" as in who put this video together? I think that 'they' did not forget. I think that "they" had no intention of talking about the "secret structures" but were just interested in luring viewers into watching the video.
at 15:00 - it's interesting how much the big gun turret on that ship resembles the turret on the M1 MBT today.
Very nicely done, great topic. Thanks for covering this event.
Hawaii was a US territory at the time. It became a US state in 1959.
Theres a radar site in north shore, bunkers all over the island on the mountain side, fuel line from pearl to Mililani, rundown runway on wheeler, theres a few abandoned buildings in a few areas by creeks between Schofield and ewa.
a friend of my dad was a mechanic at the air base and was on duty during the attack !! (i believe working on a PBY) when he "heard" "HAIL" hitting the roof of the hanger they were working in. THEN he realized it doesnt hail in Hawaii , he helped Break into the armory ( it was locked and no one knew who had or where the keys were)!!!!! AMAZING HISTORYS
I heard, a long time ago, that there is a scrap yard of sorts, with the metal cut off of the USS Arizona & other ships. Hawaii is the only state in the country I've never been to & it's #1 on my bucket list. I hope there's a way to tour that scrap yard, if it does indeed exist.
wow!!! I had no idea that those battleships took such a pounding and managed to be recovered !!!!! the old saying "they don't build them like they used to " sure as shit rings true here ! My grandad was on the HMS Achilles and was involved in the battle at River Plate...RIP Graham Ching, AKA "China" Ching....
The radars functioned within nominal operating parameters, the operators failed, misidentifying the swarm of attack aircraft as a flock of birds, however; to be fair, it was cutting edge technology at the time, and as such, few people had much of a working knowledge of it's use or it's capabilities.
Actually, they identified the huge blip on the radar as planes, It was a lieutenant in the operations office that said they were from the mainland and were a flight of B-17's due to arrive that day. Which they did during the attack.
The targets were identified as planes. A major downfall was the delay from the time of sighting until someone in authority got the message. Like sending a first class postal letter to your neighbor to warn him of an oncoming tornado.
I've read and seen references about the radars' performance and not being able to distinguish birds from planes in the early days. These blamed it on both poor training and no one who was able to tune the equipment. Thus little confidence was given when the radar reports were actually correct. Sounds reasonable. But so much has been in books and movies that weren't true, that most will believe whichever version strikes their fancy. Would have been easy to test.
My brother in law is at the Arizona RIGHT now scanning withGPS for US park Service. he has dived there many times.
In the book "Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor written by Robert B. Stinnett it is mentioned that an 8-point memo was written detailing 8 ways the Japanese could be forced to attack us. This memo allegedly became Roosevelt's blueprint for getting us into the war. It is also stated that not only did we break Japan's diplomatic code but we also broke their military code, and we were aware that the Japanese carriers were approaching Hawaii before the attack. It is said that the Japanese fleet was under radio silence during their voyage to Hawaii, but according to the book they were chatting like songbirds, allowing our RDFs to pinpoint their location across the northern Pacific. So if everything is true we knew not only that the attack was coming, but we allowed it to happen, taking no action to stop it.
A video about the wartime service of the sunken and raised Pearl Harbor battleship would be nice. I Believe they were referred to as "The Old Battleships" (as opposed to the new "Fast Battleships" of the North Carolina, South Dakota and Iowa classes). I believe they were under the command of Adm Oldendorf (Oldendorf and the Old Battleships) and used and intended for shore bombardment but they did fight one significant naval surface action where they crossed the T of the Japanese battle line.
Ryan, if you haven't already done it you should read the book "At Dawn We Slept" by Gordon Prange, Donald Goldstein, and Katherine Dillon. It addresses the myths and conspiracy theories surrounding Pearl Harbor.
I think that radar was such a new idea then, it's almost understandable the tech wasn't used properly.
Apart from the RAF in the Battle of Britain in 1940.
I live in Honolulu, island of O’ahu Hawaii close to Pearl Harbor. These men are real heroes, men of Valor, men that perished in the battle that have been missed by loved ones very much for decades. Aloha ke akua.
The ship fighting the fire on the uss nevada was the uss hoga which had an interesting career as well. You can see her stern and tower on the video.
I had an uncle who got drafted into the army at the beginning of the Korean War and was sent in country before the war really amped up. Due to a series of Math Tests he had taken for the Army my uncle was plucked from the infantry and into Military Intelligence working in Japan.
The senior people were mostly Ill from WWII, including many of the Japanese who had come to work for the USA after the war.
According to Uncle, he was told from Japanese Intel Agents that they had anything they wanted in the way of intel from the US in the way of spies, they admitted to receiving intell from the ground at Pearl harbor right up until that morning.
They had next to no boots on the ground intel after because, in their words, The US had locked them all up for the duration.
There were in fact many acts of sabotage planned but never executed.
That was good, thanks. Being such a large scale attack, it's hard to grasp the enormity of it. Recaps like this make it perhaps some what easier. I've been a model maker for over 45 years and I try to see it from that perspective. Just the scale of the Japanese planning, launch and attack are insane. All the people, ships, planes, guns, bombs and torpedo's that had to be equipped, armed, fed and transported.. Think about what was waiting them in Pearl Harbour. It's alot and will forever keep enthausiast and historians occupied. Enjoyed your video alot and like the channels name, subbed and liked.
I still feel the outcome would have been different if Japan had committed to the third and fourth waves. The carriers would have been forced to relocate to San Francisco and San Diego so Gaum and Midway would have easily fallen.
Yep, if they had completely ignored those old, slow, obsolete WWI era battleships they sank and focused the first two waves on completely destroying the drydocks and the fuel tanks at Pearl Harbor the Japanese would have come much closer to achieving their objective of driving the US Navy out of the Western Pacific for an extended period of time.
With the fuel storage and ship repair facilities in Hawaii destroyed those old battleships as well as the carriers would have been going nowhere except back to the US West Coast and the US Navy would not have been able to threaten to Hirohito's empire until that stuff had been rebuilt. So there would have been no carriers to fight the battle of the Coral Sea, and the invasion of Port Moresby would have probably succeeded. There would have been no US carriers to defend Midway so Midway would have fallen, and the Japanese could have used it as a base for long range bombers to frustrate attempts to repair the facilities at Pearl Harbor and worse case as a staging area for an invasion of Hawaii.
Because the fuel tanks and ship repair facilities were still largely intact the US was able to go on the offensive almost immediately and put the battleships Maryland, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania back in service within weeks, and begin salvaging the two sunken battleships, Nevada, California and West Virginia that were repairable. If the those things had sat on the bottom for a year or two they would not have been salvageble.
Basically the attack on Pearl Harbor was a strategic victory for the U.S. The US Navy only permanently lost two old battleships, one of which, the Oklahoma, was slated to be retired in less than six months anyway due to its age and antiquated propulsion system, and the Arizona which was nearly as old.
Failing to destroy the base infrastructure (fuel tanks, repair facilities, warehouses etc) turned a Tactical Victory into a Strategic Defeat. When Enterprise and her escorts entered Pearl Harbor the afternoon of 8 December and refueled, rearmed and reprovisioned over night, and back at sea by sunrise 9 December, the Japanese had started losing the war. They did not destroy the Pacific Fleet. They destroyed some old battleships, but not the fleets ability to fight.
@@trevorn9381 ...Your comments are well thought out and reasonable and has the ring of truth and logic. Bravo..!!
Just as in so many wars over the ages, the saying, "Fog of War" is always making an appearance.
I would love to see the history off the USS Utah and of ships that was hit on that side of ford island.
@0:06 Not Pearl Harbor. The Normandie burns and capsizes at New York Harbor in 1942.
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@1:17 Notice how the seals line up in the shape of Japan!
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Great video!
Timely video. One thing I have heard is rhat many of the fighterplanes on the island were parked nose to nose so scrambling fast was impossible.
Oh and it was headline news in one of the island papers that Japan might strike over the weekend..
I dont think any of the commanders faced any trial for their gross neglect of suty
Roosevelt likely knew.
You didn't make clear the aircraft carrier question. When the code was sent to the spy, was the Japanese attack fleet already on it's way. Along with that, when or at what point was the spy arrested. Reason for the questions, if they had a spy supplying daily information, WHY did the Japanese not know the carriers were at sea, why were they surprised by their absence at Pearl and shifted there main attack objectives to the battle ships, docks and repair facilities and the air fields. If he was arrested the morning of or a day or two before, like December 5th, the carriers were already at sea and the Japanese should have been aware.
@Theywaswrong....That is a very good question. The saying "Timing Is Everything", was so applicable here.
In 1936 or there abouts US Navy embarked on creating an inland harbor in southern California. As of the 12/41 already acquired land for bases that included locations for PBY s. PEARL Extinguished that as it showed that inlay harbors were not as safe as thought.
The radar systems emplaced by the US Army are misreported here. They are not/were not SRC 270 Radar sets, but SCR 270. Perhaps a simple transposition of numbers/letters but accuracy is vital for historical documentation of the various aspects of the entire campaign.
When you've got Kermit making judgements about security what do you expect? Miss Piggy would have done a better job. Hiyah!!!!
So what is left of the secret facilities? We never got that.
He may be referring to the underground fuel storage at Red Hill. Not much of a secret: how do you hide the construction a large hill area where none existed prior.
The fleet was put there in great peril. They even fired the admiral of the fleet that wouldn’t support.
What are the secret structures?
@kgs42....Sshhh....cannot say...it is still secret.....lol..!!
Well-written and researched narrative, despite the abbreviated game context. Frankly, some of us could care less about gaming, but the drama of the unfolding Japanese effort sustains all interest.
With such abundant research, the folly and incompetence of Pacific fleet comand is laid bare.
For those interested, the BBC years ago released a videotaped documentary revealing FDR anticipated the Japanese attack, but left the American fleet unprepared. The president's rationale was to use Pearl Harbor as the trip-wire for US involvement in a global war against the Axis. Since the US congress was filled with anti-war advocates, only a direct Axis attack could put this country into a full, organized military response.
Intriguing, learn't a couple of names I didn't know and a couple of other things.
It is disappointing that a reputable channel would mis-name a video to such an extent.
Ryan, That was so cool.
What in tge heck did that have anything to do with secret structures or what's left?
At 0:06, isn’t that the Normandy in New York?
Sure is….caught my attention since has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor! Was on Feb 9th 1942 when she caught fire.
The Empire struck back!
In about 1969 I believe my family went to Oahu on vacation and we took the boat ride out to the Arizona because the memorial had just been opened I guess recently, but on the boat ride back in the weeds, I saw the superstructure of a ship and I bet it was the Arizona they cut it off I wonder what happened to that
As far as I know, the ARIZONA's superstructure is still on a remote part of Ford Island. It is just laying there.
Well, I was stationed in Pearl Harbor from 83 to 88. I’ve been on Ford Island and around the base I never seen any place.
@davidstevens6117 the super structure and part of the turrets I remember watching a documentary that said they are just sitting on the island rusting
@@doomaster4 that is a shame.
No mention of The Battle of Taranto Harbour where the Japanese saw british success in sinking a fleet of italian battleships at their moorings. Also no mention of the Automedon Incident which gave Japan a southern plan of attack for british strongpoints generated by the british intel. A stupid misstep if Germany wanted Japan to attack Russian's Siberian troops in their northern plan.
Why does your video about Pearl Harbor have video of the Normandie burning in New York Harbor?
As always a good and informative video. I must though hint the videos the team behind Time Ghost Army (WW2) made on the attack, hour by hour.
8:46: Yoshikawa very much did not “work closely” with Bernard Kuehn. Kuehn was a bumbler and inept agent, and Yoshikawa quickly made the decision to stay as far away from him as possible. Kuehn did succeed in making social contacts with the Japanese-American community in Honolulu, resulting in people being sent to interment camps who had no idea of his motives or activities.
just read "At Dawn We Slept" for an in depth study of the failures at Pearl Harbor.
Where did you get the map at 1:11? That's really cool with old city names and the angle.
the radars are called SCR-270 NOT SRC-270
Can you please take a moment to get Hawaiian names right in the future? A simple TH-cam search of these locations will always yield good results. Mahalo.
What about the USS Tennessee BB43?????
Um those ships were on the east side of Ford island . The Honolulu side
No mention of missing structure
So you dont show any alleged secret bases
My late father in law and hos brother were born Pearl Harbor Survivors both carried physical scars from the event.
There is a theory that Roosevelt knew of the attack and let it happen. Congress was against going to war and the economy was still in a depression. After the attack congress unanimously supported the war declaration and the economy turned around. Just a theory. I don't have nearly the knowledge to support or deny it.
Nonsense.
That has always been one theory and maybe true. He wanted to get the US economy going and also to have more reason to help his buddy Churchhill.
@@leroycharles9751 Not true at all. And Churchill wasn't his buddy. Churchill sucked up big time and I'm sure he was more a pain in the arse than a buddy.
The war declaration vote by Congress was not unanimous. A single pacifist Congresswoman from Montana voted against it. She was not re-elected.
@fortress1133....Will we ever know the real truth about what Roosevelt was thinking? But what he did know was that, as a whole, Americans did not want to be dragged into another war. Yes, America was helping England with supplies and in other ways but was still trying to remain clear of it all. Pearl changed all that.
WHAT SECRET STRUCTURES ? ?
Tough deck huh?
I think it is the only reason I am able to write this in English.
What secret structures???
You forgot about the USS Utah
A key piece of info about all of this that is missing from this evaluation is the roots of Japanese anger towards the US because of Admiral Perry FORCING Japan, at the point of cannons from a fleet of American warships, to open up to outside trade in 1853. This is, in my mind, a crucial piece of information that many historical accounts of the contributors to Japanese expansionism miss.
Yah, lots of things left out like the US sponsored treaty that ended the Russo-Japanese war that gave the Japanese the right to establish control of Korea. Korea became the power base of the army and made it very difficult for the civilian government to control the army.
So, the Japanese were butthurt by something that happen a century ago? Seems like a lame reason for unprovoked surprise attack?
And I think the program over estimated the effect of it. The Japanese needed Indonesian oil and The US stopped them from getting it and the Philippines was under US control and in between Japan and Indonesia. Actually up until the mid 1920's US and Japanese relations were pretty good. After the 1924 naval arms limitation treaty the Japanese began to see their navy forced into a second class status and started to see the UK and USA as threats. Before then the relations with the UK had been very good so that many of the ships of Japan had been made in England and naval operations were patterned on the Royal Navy. Naval engineers went to England to learn how to build ships in Japan. When Holland fell to the Germans and the US acted to keep Japan from claiming the Dutch colonies the Japanese could measure just how many months they could go on before they ran out of oil. The choice was fight or knuckle under. The choice made was not surprising.
If it is secret, how do you know all this stuff?
11:28 it was YOU
Privates do NOT have three chevrons facing upward and a rocker underneath on their sleeve. You need to get your ranks right before you expect me to believe you.
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The Japanese completely ignored the Submarine Base and and Fuel storage. It was American Submarines that took the war to Japan while the fleet rebuilt.
The United States Submarine Service in WW II saw action in both the Atlantic, in a very limited way, and in the Pacific in a major way. The Submarine Service accounted for about 55% of all Japanese tonnage sunk in the war. This was done by a branch of the Navy that accounted for about 1.6% of the Navy's wartime complement.
The Japanese lost 1,178 Merchant Ships sunk for a tonnage total of 5,053,491 tons. The Naval losses were 214 ships and submarines totaling 577,626 tons. A staggering five million, six hundred thirty one thousand, one hundred seventeen tons, (5,631,117 tons), 1,392 ships.
Japan ended the war with a bare 12% of her merchant fleet intact but not fuel at hand to run more than a few of them.
Also didnt get the power station, They had so much welding for ship repair going on they would cut off power to the rest of the island to supply power for welding. If an American can cut and weld metal theyll come up with anything!!
@webbtrekker534....Yes, the Silent Service ripped open the belly of Japan's Navy and bled her to death. Oh, yes, the IJN was still dangerous and inflicted a lot of death and destruction in the next few years after Midway, but the heart had been ripped out and Japan's navy never recovered.
Why would there have been gasoline on Nevada?
Spotter planes.
I always wonder what would have happened if Japan had actually landed troops on Hawaii at that time.
USA would have hell of logistic issues, Australia north part would be occupied , India as well north part ,and no help for UK and Soviet Union and perhaps not even soldiers contingent. And no Midway would happen
@@andrewbrindescu6666 Ditto for the Japanese. It would have been very difficult to invade and sustain the invasion force. It would have been a step too far.
@@dougerrohmer hard to tell. The big issues for japanese was Manciuria. The Japs had 750.000 soldiers there
The Japanese didn't want to invade as they were concerned about their supply lines. After the attack the US fully expected them to invade and made preparations. It would all come down to how quickly they invaded and how big the invasion would be.
It would have been extremely unlikely to succeed. Just look at the results of the invasion of Alaska. The US had almost zero combat forces in that area and Japan was barely able to eek out a foothold. On Pearl, there were 4,500 Marines and about 35k soldiers. Based on the performance of just 450 Marines and 100 construction workers on Wake, I'd wager that Japan would not have succeeded in an invasion of the Hawaii Islands.
NO different that norad calling off the fighter jets on 2001....
They always have control.
Bait and switch. Don’t bother doing any more frauds. Either produce whats promised or go away.
Was Dorie Miller really being recommended for court marshalled for his actions on 7December???
They should make a movie about the salvaging of theses ships with as little Hollywood b.s. As possible, I think that would be interesting and the first Hollywood movie I'd pay to see since 2011
Drachinifel did an excellent 2 part video about the salvage about a year ago. Very detailed.
@@SteamCrane I mean a movie like "pearl harbor" but real. the divers view would be good without the dun dun dunt scary Hollywood shark b.s.
No mention of the USS Ward and the sinking of a midget sub just before the attack?
One of the real mysteries is how the U.S. Navy was caught flat-footed after the British aerial attack on the Italian bzttlefleet
at Taranto demonstrated the vulnerability of ships in a landlocked harbor. We're the officers in charge of our Pacific fleet in 1941
ignorant and incapable of learning from current events?
And all those valuable lessons are lost on the current "leadership", and I fear we may all suffer for their folly.... The hubris and ignorance they routinely display should be a wake up call to anyone paying attention
Worst admin ever.
Well what I learned is kind of what I already knew, the US government knew about the attack and wanted it to happen. Fun fact, all the modern warships and aircraft carriers were all out to sea and nowhere near Pearl harbor at the time of the attack.
God bless America and all her brave souls lost on that day!
Can't be much of a secret if you're making a video about it!
0:05 ss normandie burned up later and in new york (no hate just pointing it out for history sake)
FOCSEL not Fore Castle!
well done video, thank you.......Paul in Florida