victorious ticket to ride is an amazing beatles song, one of the best, give it a listen if you haven’t. john wrote it and woz pointed out that he made apple II, which is an amazing product. just a run of the mill analogy.
victorious just to add to what wwagner07 said, The Beatles were amazing and had four members (John, Paul, George, and Ringo). Popular culture now has mythologized John (and Paul) as the creative geniuses behind the Beatles’s music. So Woz is saying he was like John Lennon, that he (Woz) was the creative force behind Apple, and that he (Woz) wasn’t just some random guy who was watching the other people do the real genius work (so he’s giving the analogy to Ringo watching others be creative). Anyway, that’s more info than you need, but hope it helps! Also, Ringo and Paul were just as awesome and talented and creative as John in my opinion
i love how they place jobs on a stage, where he's the star but he's alone, in the spotlight, and they put wozniak in the audience, with the crowd, with the public. it wouldnt have been as good if they were on the same level
And how this argument never happened. If you talk to the guy that Seth is playing in this movie actually got along with Steve Jobs up to the end. Steve actually argued with the Apple board of executives more than his best friend.
@@johnspence8141 I don't think it's binary in that sense either. You can be decent and gifted, you can be gifted and an asshole. And most are not gifted in every respect. But I do think there's something to being at least capable of getting others to love you as a person if you're going to call yourself gifted.
Reminds me of how in every retelling of Sherlock Holmes (or any really really smart character) they make him an asshole. Did nobody tell these writers that it's possible to be a genius _and_ a nice person?
“All those guys behind the scenes working, soldering, possibly welding. And Steve walks out in tennis shoes, no belt, all relaxed. Like he was Tesla tapping into electricity.” -Billy Burr
Whether its Michael Fassbender & Seth Rogen here, or Jesse Eisenberg and Andrew Garfield or Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise, you can always know when you're watching Aaron Sorkin. He's a legend for dialogue and monologues.
Its fun to be a fly on the wall and listen to really smart people argue with each other on something when you didn't even know there was something to argue about. Afterwards, you feel so much smarter.
I'm not sure whether this is sarcasm, not because I'm on the spectrum but because I'm under the impression give seth rogan more credit than his acting is due. He's virtually the same person in every movie. At least Michael fassbender tries to act less bond villain I. This particular role. Regarding his notsogood American accent in this clip, you've clearly seen none of his other work. This was intentional.
amazing line.."it's not binary..you can be decent and gifted at same time".Not sure if Woz has really said it but it was ringing in my bind for a while..
Have you ever seen 50/50? I think Seth is great in that movie. A perfect mix of comedy/drama. He was also great in Take This Waltz, an indie with Michelle Williams.
The Elephant was killed long after Edison left the company. He had nothing to do with it and the Elephant was on for execution anyway. Tesla, while being a brilliant guy, had a lot of not feasible ideas like wireless energy.
I can't believe 2 people who are complete opposite of each other, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozinak, ended up building a company that's worth over a 1 trillion dollars It's just amazing.
They didnt build a company worth over a 1 trillion dollars, the "Iphone/Ipad" did, maybe steve had a hand in that, but without those products there would not be an apple today.
@@Shendue Sorry Shendue but getting an Oscar is all about politics and money. Why do you think they nominated Black Panther for best picture over Infinity war?
@@wall57805 because Wakanda have the most money from their profit with Vibranium black market, and just recently announced it's country existence to the world. Wow you are really right!! Damn to politics and money!!
@@wall57805 True. I don't think a couple of guys sitting together analysing a movie with features that can never be quantised can decide who has a better quality of acting over a bunch of contenders. It's a matter of perspective. Oscars thereby are just an overhyped party attended by some people who give awards to one another.
Jesus this scene is just electric. This is how you do historical drama; may not have happened exactly as shown, but I was in awe at these two going at it.
Danton by Andrzej Wajda is how you do historical drama. Waterloo by Sergey Bondarchuk is how you do historical drama. This is Hollywood screenwriting 101 and a pure distortion of the actual characters to cater to the perception of the general public. How much of a distortion? According to the only authorized biography of Jobs, by Walter Isaacson, Wozniak hated confrontation and would never engange in any type of verbal fight. Jobs was extremely more contrarian but hardly a Mark Twain type of wit, more often than not he'd retort to calling others ''dumb shits'' and when faced with someone who would diss it back at him he would end up crying. During their partnership, only once there was big fight and it was between Jobs and Wozniaks' father, who was a brilliant engineer himself. The latter went on to yell at Steve and even called him worthless and with no actual contribution to the still young company. Jobs got utterly gobsmacked, cried his eyes out and told Steve Wozniak that if he shared his fathers opinion, he was willing to step out of the company for free. Wozniak told Jobs that he most certainly didnt, that he always thought they were a great team and most importantly friends and that he wasnt going to continue without him. The only film that came quite close to captivating these characters personalities and the small details in their relationship, was Pirates of Silicon Valley.
@@mskidi yea this scene reads like every scene by sorkin ever : two white men bloviating over bullcrap as dueling aaron sorkins while camera pans and subdued music plays
Michael Fassbender and particularly Seth Rogen were amazing in this scene. For all his genius and "magical thinking" Jobs essentially helped cancer kill him. His form of pancreatic cancer was slow-growing, if had surgery after he found about it - the success rate was 95%. Instead he did juice cleanses, took vitamins, alternative treatments, acupuncture, and tried to convince himself that he didn't have cancer. By the time he agreed to have surgery, it was too late - it had spread to other organs. He later told his biographer that not having surgery immediately was his biggest regret. My uncle did all the things Jobs did - while doing chemo - and survived stage four lung cancer (30yrs+ of being a firefighter.)
NCBI: "There has been widespread speculation about whether Jobs’ decision to use CAM (Complementary and alternative medicine) approaches hastened his death by postponing initiation of potentially life-prolonging conventional treatments (Grady, 2011). However, the details of Jobs’ diagnosis and specific treatments received, both conventional and unconventional, have not been made public. Therefore, we cannot comment on whether or not he made the best decisions on his cancer treatment, nor can we comment on whether he would have had different outcomes had he chosen a different treatment approach. "
@@JS-tg7mw Don't try to defend garbage pseudoscience health practices that trick people into thinking they're healing themselves naturally when they're just letting themselves die slowly.
@@NoBody-lj5xh It's less like killing each other over basically nothing, and more like giving a person a punch in the fucking head for being a cunt, when they know they were being a cunt, to get the message into their head and make them think(If not immediately, then maybe later) "Yeah, ya know... Maybe I was being a bit of a cunt.... Probably shouldn't be like that anymore...." Nowadays you do that shit and you'll get a law suit and end up owing way more than a hospital bill, or be jailed if they decided to bring you to court for attempted murder, losing years of your life possibly in a cage with murderers and rapists, and likely ending up dying anyway, if not just giving up a big fat chunk of your savings... But hey.... At least we aren't 'Killing each other over basically nothing.' .... Like they do in the middle east and africa, every single day.
"I'm tired of being Ringo when I know I was John" Steve- " everybody loves Ringo" - This is Job's way of saying, 'be happy with what I give you.' Also him pretending to be noble when he, 'allows' Wozinak to 'keep his job'. Such an authoritarian asshole.
@LegoGuy87 I mean of course he was. The only person who could ever get away with saying that stuff to his face would be Woz. Woz also happens to be right and Steve knows it he just can’t admit it because admitting it is the beginning of the end.
The essence of the scene to me is; All Woz was saying is "acknowledge the Apple II team", unselfishly. Steve first reacts with arguments about - it will link the new product in the eyes of the public and journalist to a failed product... - but going forward the discussion shows the real reasons behind (both?) their points.
@@brmbkl About Steve's points. Woz somewhat singularised his argument to try and make it more direct and personal, but he was never just trying to get credit for himself. Woz's case never changed, Steve's kept getting vaguer and vaguer each time he realised how bad he was looking.
I have so much sympathy for Woz as a computer scientists. People who make the back end and do the work are always forgotten, when the ones who put their face on it refuse to show that they weren’t solely responsible.
Imagine not being the one to actually create, program, slave over or physically work on something, and yet refuse to give credit to the people who actually did something.
Being a charlatan is work. Being a perfect charlatan 24/7 is worse than work, it's a lifestyle you have to knowingly adopt. Turning water to wine is largely making sure nobody admits it tastes a lot like red colored water. Being a salesman is hollowing - they're both right and wrong, mostly because living in this system is terrible on the human spirit. Production, consumption, marketing.... it's a bad place to be.
The cinematography in this scene is excellent. The way Fassbender is shown taking up half the frame, eyes forward, the background slightly blurred and darkened against him literally stealing the spotlight while Rogen is always in the darker part of the room, never being illuminated more than needed to make out his posture, because he worked behind the scenes, OUTSIDE the spotlight.
I envy the extras. They got to sit or stand around in this beautiful auditorium and witness the filming of a beautifully crafted argument by the best screenwriter ever acted out by two actors at the top of their games. The tension in the performance was probably so thick, they probably easily forgot they were in a film.
@@anthonyhutchins2300 Steve was a bigger picture guy like Woz said. He created the foundation of apple and the user friendliness he designed things for the common user to want a computer and was intuitive not had to be heavily studied for their needs. Woz was the tech guy. He made Steve’s ideas happen gave them life. He wanted to give it for free and wasn’t much of a bigger picture guy. Steve saw the potential for something Woz hadn’t. A potential to grow a business out of making computers user friendly and help the common people with their work and hobbie which computers weren’t designed to do yet outside of just making calculations and stuff. Woz was an engineering genius and a hobbyist which before Steve his designs were meant for people like him. Steve brought ideas for computer usage to the world outside of engineering and stuff.
Anyone who studies Apple's history eventually figures this out: Steve Jobs may have been the better businessman, but Woz was *always* the better man. Going all the way back to the early days when Steve Jobs cheated Woz on an Atari game.
@@viksaggu9085 but his ideas failed. He might of had vision by taking other peoples ideas and making them happen. The Macintosh was a fail & so was the Lisa both Jobs ideas.
Jobs is just wrong here. It’s beautifully displayed here how Steve is a businessman who knew nothing about his industry yet still “played the orchestra “ like a true artist.
I dont get it are you saying he's a great artist or is he wrong? My opinion is he's a con artist who rode the backs of geniuses and knew how to work a crowd, and used dirty business scams to cheat people out of what was rightfully theirs.
To be clear, this never happened in real life. Jobs would have gladly acknowledged the apple 2 team. Wiz asked John scully in real life. This was just for conflict in the movie
@@nickcampbell6387 Steve rode off the backs of developers & engineers that did the work, and he was extremely abrasive at steering the ship. His genius was in the direction he chose to steer that ship in. Wozniak & the engineers were the reason that ship didn't sink in the stormy seas. Without Wozniak & the engineers, the ship would have sunk and Jobs would have been remembered as just another too full of himself executive. Without Jobs, the ship would have wandered around aimlessly and been remembered as another company with a technologically advanced product that just wasn't able to attract customers.
@@hereticsshallbecleansed7245 Steve was admitting he was the one acting on emotion, and Woz was acting on logic. Steve talks about "shipping a box of crap"--but hat's exactly what he did with LISA and the original mac, he shipped boxes of crap that failed. (And he failed because he way overestimated the growth of the market to non-enthusiasts.) Then he went off and failed again, and his "punishment" was to get another shot. Meanwhile, guys who actually succeeded at building a great project were being laid off.
in another year, Seth Rogen could have gotten talk for Best Supporting Actor. His performance is so subtle and great, nice to see him in a serious role
@@JoshSweetvale people that could cast him in more serious roles and allow us to see more of the acting genius that Seth can be. the whole thing is objectively foolish, but subjectively, for the people that live for it and care about it, it is important. and the fact that these people's influential power is very much, not real, but _impactful_ in our society and its gears, makes the Oscars an important thing, not because of it per se, but because of the actions/reactions of the people who care about it. I mean, would you have watched parasite if it weren't for the Oscars? if it was a more serious institution that genuinely awarded the truly great movies instead of the ones with better marketing, lobbying and exposure the world would be culturally richer. the status quo is a shame, but it's not like it has 0 impact in your life, after all, most people you know will care about it and what they talk to you about will be influenced by it even if ever so slightly so. maybe, beyond not caring about it at all, we should care enough and recognize its cultural importance as to make a wave to try and enforce change in its current status quo to one of real value? a democratically voted system would be flawed, sensible to being exploited by Cambridge analytica and other big data influence manipulation companies, besides, it couldn't even in our wildest dreams compete with the established event that is the Oscars, meaning it itself is the one that has the very power needed to change how things are now. (and ofc they won't, why? capitalism)
@@JoshSweetvale I don't care how much money he has. I like seeing him in films, and seeing him act. When he does exceptionally, I'd like to see it recognized. A man deserves recognition when he creates exceptional work through his labors.
The decision to frame this scene with the shark in the background is so brilliant, I can hardly describe it. Excellent choice by the director. What a scene.
one thing i always liked about this scene is that even though jobs is kind of a "villain" here, he legitimately sounds still hurt at the end. portrayed as a bad person, but still a human person.
Agnel Vishal kind of no. Torvalds is known for being a bit of an ass when talking to co-workers. For a long time he refused to implement a code of conduct despite complaints about unnecessarily harsh rants about other’s work on the kernel.
Don't need to debate back and forth about many things that happened between these guys. The single most simplistic way to measure Jobs is to see how he treated his first daughter.
@@garybrown2039 John Lennon treatment of Julian Lennon. Even Paul McCartney wrote the kid a song, but "Hey Jules" would have been too much in-your-face to John, that's why he changed the name to "Hey Jude".
I keep seeing compilations of the best acting of the decade, and I never see this scene in them, this is definitely some of the best acting I've ever seen this
And I love that the final slap to the face to Jobs whole mentality to the situation is his very own sleep screen in the background, “Think Different”. Such a small but impactful moment to reflect on.
Haven't seen the movie, but I still think that's the craziest thing that people forget. Steve Jobs didn't get rich off of Apple, it was essentially his pet project he wanted to run to prove himself, despite repeated financial problems for the company. He made his money by owning the majority of shares in Pixar by investing in the studio long before it was picked up by Disney. During that business deal he was paid not in cash, but in stocks in Disney, just before the release of their most successful movies ever (By the recently acquired Pixar of course). He was the largest stock holder for Disney for quite some time, and because of this wealth when he returned as a CEO, Apple didn't close down. People consider Apple to be his biggest success and is the thing he's always known for, but personally I consider it to be Pixar, as that was the first company to envision movies made entirely in a computer, which they achieved with incredible results.
@@Everythingupsidedown Yeah it's pretty crazy right? He made huge amounts of money on his Pixar investment especially after Disney bought them and the stock prices skyrocjeted. Whereas Apple didn't really reach largescale success (In terms of actually making money at least) until the Iphone which came out years later and not too long before his death. Previously Apple's biggest achievements weren't as a company really, but moreso in the things they made that Microsoft wasn't willing to risk trying at the time.
@@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo don't forget that he became a millionnaire with apple. Then was evicted from apple of course he'd be doing something else as he was a businessman.
@@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo Technically, it was Big Idea Productions that pioneered animations made entirely by a computer; and indeed, they released the very first full length CGI film in the history of animation in 1992, or three years prior to Pixar's first full length film.
This is how a Narcissist argues. They first try and change the subject, 2:00, responding to questions that were never asked. When that doesn't work, they switch to pointing out your failures that have nothing to do with the argument, 2:16 to 3:22. If that doesn't work, they have nothing left but personal insults.
I like how the whole scene there’s a shark on the screen, kinda representing Steve in a way somehow. And at the end after the whole conflict the screen switches briefly to Think Different like it was meant for him, to be different and not be a cold blooded shark.
This whole scene is a masterpiece, even the soundtrack, it just hits really different It gives you these peaceful yet uncertain feelings, I just can't describe it
@@NVC77 You can only up it to the resolution it was uploaded as. If something is uploaded at 720 you can always bring it down to 360 to make it play faster. But if it's uploaded at 240, you can't go higher than that as that's the ceiling of the resolution of the file.
Whether this conversation happened just like this or not, whether it represents these two fairly or not, it is illustrative of something...there can be creative and functional tensions between two individuals which lead to incredible things. And the tensions I refer to isn't this conversation...it is the years of collaboration well before this. This is just the culmination of that. I think arguably they can be both right about things, and both wrong simultaneously. The statement of "it isn't binary" is astute, and points out a significant flaw in Steve. But Steve wouldn't be Steve without that flaw. And Woz wouldn't be Woz without that humanity and a certain amount of naiveness. It is almost random and chaotic how it comes together, it can't be bottled or reproduced. It is just a fascinating story really. Must have been something to work with them and witness it.
worked for Woz, in '82'. He was decent and gifted, at the same time. Took exemplary care of me, of us. No, he's not a temperamental guy. He smiled the entire time and we had a blast.
@@thefatman69dude No they werent. Wozniak hated confrontation and Jobs was never dismissive of him. Only once, Wozniaks father, a brilliant engineer himself, called Jobs worthless and the latter got utterly gobsmacked, cried his eyes out and then told Steve Wozniak that he was willing to leave the company if he shared his fathers' opinions to which Wozniak responded that he most certainly didnt.
6:13 I love the way when he is thinking about the conversation just happened the screen in back changes to Apple Logo with 'Think Different' ... subtle way to say he is thinking this through differently.
Legend has it that Wozniak even told a man in an Apple store one time to consider looking at a Windows product, as it would be less expensive, and might provide him with a better experience.
In all honesty Fassbender is an amazing actor every role he's played he has smashed from action like 300 to this he absolutely slays everytime. Rogan as well his ability to play serious roles isn't taken seriously enough.
"You were less than ninety days from being insolvent. I had three different accountants try to explain it to me. The whole place has to be streamlined." "Start with two of the accountants."
"It's not binary. You can be decent and gifted at the same time." Beautiful writing. That was Steve Jobs. He was not a good man. He wouldn't give credit to anyone or acknowledge the work of anyone else but his own and what he could take credit for. He was ruthless, he had an ego. But he was a genius in his field. He was an innovator, he was an exceptional businessman. You can see it in Apple now. They've not innovated in years. They came out with AirPods which is not a first for wireless headphones nor are they practical in any sense over wired. They require recharging, you can easily lose them, there are many points of failure more than standard wired headphones yet they come at a higher cost. An idea that is good on paper much like the Apple 2 but not in practice. Steve Jobs would've known that, he would've been furious much like here.
All of those achievements could have been attained without being a major asshole like he is was in this film. Just because an asshole was able to revolutionize technology, doesn't mean he should've been an asshole.
@@graybonesau agree. And the Apple II was hardly a failed product. Also; to think Steve Jobs would dismiss a product because of points of failure? The first imacs came with a cord that was too long or too short depending on what user case, and a round hockeypuck mouse that didn't know itself which way it wanted to point. Apple made some great products that all had some crazy "what were they thinking" aspects. Features (and speed and bang for the buck) that's the pc-builder mentality. Nothing to do with apple in the Jobs era or now..
I’m sorry, but the line about Apple not innovating in years is so misleading it must come from someone whose never used a product of theirs before. The MacBook (2012), while revolutionary for music and video production, had infamously terrible heating problems and low battery life (maybe two hours of continued use). Today, a new MacBook (2020) produces no temperature problems whatsoever and can easily last 20 hours of continuous usage. They’re also on the cheaper end in comparison to other prebuilt laptops on the market. Also, if you’re comparing AirPods’ quality as wireless headphones, why are you comparing them to wired? That feels less like a comment on their efficacy and more like a personal gripe with wireless headphones in general. “They require charging?” So you’d rather go against the conventional wisdom of every wireless headphone manufacturer and build bulky wireless headphones using AA batteries for mobile users? That’s extremely impractical. The AirPods are successful because they’re extremely portable devices with great audio quality and active noise cancellation. Apple products are popular status symbols, yes, but to imply that they simply sit back and make no effort to work on the technology they produce is tremendously falsifiable.
Steve apparently was a pretty narcissistic, egocentric genius - unable to acknowledge the contribution of others to “his” products. Truly great CEOs take a step back, praise their team and nurture their talent. In my view Steve was a very successful, but not a great CEO, as he was unable to overcome his personality problems.
Eh, who cares about your mediocre perspective of morality and his "personality problems". He built the most profitable public corporation in the history of our species, AFTER turning it around from a sinking ship, that's a great CEO, if not the greatest CEO lol. Take your emotional value judgments elsewhere, in business and logistics you analyze objective results. The other people in this thread complaining about how "nice" he was as a person (or lack thereof) are worried about the wrong things, which is why these losers will never amount to anything and will always just be in TH-cam comments, talking about "how bad of a person" those who are better and more successful than them are. Have a nice day losers lol
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no You make this moronic rant and have the gall to call them losers? I genuinely feel sorry for your family and friends, assuming you have any.
@@Joshpl Wasn't really a rant, nothing was emotional about it. I utilized ad hominem in calling them losers, but that's not an emotional advance. Wasn't really moronic either, everything I said was a fact. Apple is the most profitable public corporation in human history, Steve Jobs brought them there from near-extinction, thereby making him objectively the greatest CEO. It's simple. And yes, losers tend to be people that share Slave-morality beliefs such as "It doesn't matter how successful you are if you're a bad person", and based on your emotional response of trying to bring "family and friends" into this as if they matter in this context, you're probably a loser as well.
With the compression, fassbender looks a lot like Steve. Especially on the stage right 1on1 with the lady. Low light bringing out the wide jaw of jobs.
Seth Rohan was the best part of this movie. Great cast. Excellent interpretation of Steve Jobs. Brutal but fair. Clarity over agreement. Truth over perception.
@@hajjdawood "Most households use iPads": you just proved his point. Jobs' vision was to have Macs in every household, not in every corporate section. With the Mac, Apple did not win the corporate sector entirely even though it claimed a big part of it, but it sure lost the household sector to Windows.
@@hajjdawood Also, Macs are more optimised, supported and better built: you pay more but they last longer while remaining pretty consistent throughout (visuals, performance, usability).
@@hajjdawood Did you really just claim that Macs have a better price-to-performance ratio than PCs? You either knowingly made that up or were told some seriously wrong info by someone.
@@A_78939 oh nice overpriced garbage ass headphones that I can lose easily because there's no wire but here's the kicker: they have to be charged so I can lose sound in one ear through my day, awesome! Can't wait for the batteries to fail LMFAO
It’s possible to be a gifted person and a decent person at the same time. What is virtually impossible is to climb into a role where the buck stops with you while simultaneously being a decent person.
Fassbender's last line hits really hard. first she says "He's a temperamental guy." and Jobs goes...."No, he's not." wow....like....Jobs knew that Wozniak was right, but this feud was old and Steve couldn't lose the feud now....in front of all these employees. Brilliant little moment of Jobs showing his hand.
They acted the shit out of what amounts to a pretty trivial dispute. It's too bad you so rarely see a scene so loaded with conflict and drama about something that matters.
NaBEAST no it makes them not mutually exclusive. Quantum would mean it was both decent and not until observed, at which time it would collapse into either one or the other. Or sum shit like that it’s late and I’m stoned.
JOHN VARELA you’re thinking of quantum superpositions, which is a property described in quantum mechanics. Something being “quantum” doesn’t mean anything
You ever see someone fall short of the potential they have? Like knowingly and deliberately be a bad person when you thought they were different like ugh
“He was John because he wrote ‘Ticket to Ride’, and I wrote the Apple II”
Savage.
Justin Lance anyone can explain ?
victorious ticket to ride is an amazing beatles song, one of the best, give it a listen if you haven’t. john wrote it and woz pointed out that he made apple II, which is an amazing product. just a run of the mill analogy.
victorious just to add to what wwagner07 said, The Beatles were amazing and had four members (John, Paul, George, and Ringo). Popular culture now has mythologized John (and Paul) as the creative geniuses behind the Beatles’s music. So Woz is saying he was like John Lennon, that he (Woz) was the creative force behind Apple, and that he (Woz) wasn’t just some random guy who was watching the other people do the real genius work (so he’s giving the analogy to Ringo watching others be creative). Anyway, that’s more info than you need, but hope it helps! Also, Ringo and Paul were just as awesome and talented and creative as John in my opinion
Everybody forgets about George Harrison... no more!
John Romanoski Haha, and Brian Epstein too. Sorry, should have mentioned George
i love how they place jobs on a stage, where he's the star but he's alone, in the spotlight, and they put wozniak in the audience, with the crowd, with the public. it wouldnt have been as good if they were on the same level
Visual rhetoric
astute observation
Damn, great observation! I rewatched this scene again. Now I realize that Woz is down in the auditorium with the other "bench workers."
And how this argument never happened. If you talk to the guy that Seth is playing in this movie actually got along with Steve Jobs up to the end. Steve actually argued with the Apple board of executives more than his best friend.
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"You can be decent and gifted at the same time" is a great quote.
I would say your not truly gifted if your not decent aswell. If you can only do something through assholeness how gifted are you really?
@@georgebarton1582 true enough. Exploiting others is the shallowest path to success
@@johnspence8141 I don't think it's binary in that sense either. You can be decent and gifted, you can be gifted and an asshole. And most are not gifted in every respect. But I do think there's something to being at least capable of getting others to love you as a person if you're going to call yourself gifted.
Something every celebrity could learn from
Reminds me of how in every retelling of Sherlock Holmes (or any really really smart character) they make him an asshole. Did nobody tell these writers that it's possible to be a genius _and_ a nice person?
“All those guys behind the scenes working, soldering, possibly welding. And Steve walks out in tennis shoes, no belt, all relaxed. Like he was Tesla tapping into electricity.” -Billy Burr
Ole Billy Rednuts hit the nail on the head
GET ON ITTTTTT😂😂😂
Eating some pretentious fruit like a pear.
I’m so glad we’re all in on this great joke
I hear Elon does the same
Whether its Michael Fassbender & Seth Rogen here, or Jesse Eisenberg and Andrew Garfield or Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise, you can always know when you're watching Aaron Sorkin. He's a legend for dialogue and monologues.
Its fun to be a fly on the wall and listen to really smart people argue with each other on something when you didn't even know there was something to argue about. Afterwards, you feel so much smarter.
Eddie redmaine and sacha baron Cohen
Sorkin, is he the one that did Newsroom??
Let's not forget the epic "America is not the greatest country in the world anymore".
“You better lawyer up asshole, cause I’m not coming back for 30%, I’m coming back for EVERYTHING.”
Two gifted actors with amazingly crafted dialogue duel.
Qualitative vs quantitative.
No this scene was written for Seth Rogen, he did a great job but he's far from a great actor.
One dude is obviously faking an American accent and I couldn’t not hear it.
It’s like Gordon Ramsay is bitching the pork is raw but the plate set up.
I'm not sure whether this is sarcasm, not because I'm on the spectrum but because I'm under the impression give seth rogan more credit than his acting is due. He's virtually the same person in every movie. At least Michael fassbender tries to act less bond villain I. This particular role. Regarding his notsogood American accent in this clip, you've clearly seen none of his other work. This was intentional.
Seth Rogen sucks. Easily the worst thing about this movie.
amazing line.."it's not binary..you can be decent and gifted at same time".Not sure if Woz has really said it but it was ringing in my bind for a while..
looking at the wiki woz said it didn't however the feelings were there and that steve definitely didnt see the apple 2 team highly
The_Alpha_Fox it's not black white. is that better?
He meant jobs can be both genius and decent,not as binary which results either 1 or 0 not both.
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@@msmsmskeksk7030 fu? The guy or girl explained it using a common phrase ..
I wish Seth Rogan played in more serious roles. He's a funny guy but man he has a wide range that he can cater to.
He has quite a few serious roles, he's just more well known for his goofy roles. Jonah Hill as well
Do what you must, I have already won ever had fun before? You sound like the most boring person to ever breathe
@Do what you must, I have already won oof, you sure showed him Ben
Have you ever seen 50/50? I think Seth is great in that movie. A perfect mix of comedy/drama.
He was also great in Take This Waltz, an indie with Michelle Williams.
"Funny"
this was the thing about Steve jobs, he refused to acknowledge anything that he couldn't take credit for, basically a modern Thomas eddison
Sean Gannon Does that make Wozniak a modern day Tesla?
Edison wasn’t as a big a dick as Jobs
So he killed an Elephant, big deal. He was still a brilliant guy. And Tesla was pretty out there.
He refused to acknowledge something that he think does not deserve to be acknowledge
The Elephant was killed long after Edison left the company. He had nothing to do with it and the Elephant was on for execution anyway. Tesla, while being a brilliant guy, had a lot of not feasible ideas like wireless energy.
I can't believe 2 people who are complete opposite of each other, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozinak,
ended up building a company that's worth over a 1 trillion dollars
It's just amazing.
1 trillion now
@@Navak3 Look at Oasis.
They didnt build a company worth over a 1 trillion dollars, the "Iphone/Ipad" did, maybe steve had a hand in that, but without those products there would not be an apple today.
@@Darbokst That is literally what sunny shah said... they did build that company.
I disagree. They were very good friends at the time of creating Apple and had a lot in common
If Seth keep acting like this one day Seth will get an Oscar
Getting an Oscar as nothing to do with high quality acting.
@@wall57805 As a matter of fact, yes. It does.
@@Shendue Sorry Shendue but getting an Oscar is all about politics and money. Why do you think they nominated Black Panther for best picture over Infinity war?
@@wall57805 because Wakanda have the most money from their profit with Vibranium black market, and just recently announced it's country existence to the world. Wow you are really right!! Damn to politics and money!!
@@wall57805 True. I don't think a couple of guys sitting together analysing a movie with features that can never be quantised can decide who has a better quality of acting over a bunch of contenders. It's a matter of perspective. Oscars thereby are just an overhyped party attended by some people who give awards to one another.
best seth rogen role i´ve ever seen.
hes mostly comedy but hes good in other things as well
Raptor moe Over his role in Superbad?
The only od two roles, the rest is a farse.
@@BigPoppa-t3z Considering you can't speak English as a native English speaker, your name makes a lot of sense.
yea he wasnt high or acting high
Jesus this scene is just electric. This is how you do historical drama; may not have happened exactly as shown, but I was in awe at these two going at it.
Danton by Andrzej Wajda is how you do historical drama. Waterloo by Sergey Bondarchuk is how you do historical drama. This is Hollywood screenwriting 101 and a pure distortion of the actual characters to cater to the perception of the general public. How much of a distortion? According to the only authorized biography of Jobs, by Walter Isaacson, Wozniak hated confrontation and would never engange in any type of verbal fight. Jobs was extremely more contrarian but hardly a Mark Twain type of wit, more often than not he'd retort to calling others ''dumb shits'' and when faced with someone who would diss it back at him he would end up crying. During their partnership, only once there was big fight and it was between Jobs and Wozniaks' father, who was a brilliant engineer himself. The latter went on to yell at Steve and even called him worthless and with no actual contribution to the still young company. Jobs got utterly gobsmacked, cried his eyes out and told Steve Wozniak that if he shared his fathers opinion, he was willing to step out of the company for free. Wozniak told Jobs that he most certainly didnt, that he always thought they were a great team and most importantly friends and that he wasnt going to continue without him. The only film that came quite close to captivating these characters personalities and the small details in their relationship, was Pirates of Silicon Valley.
@@mskidi go to bed
@@mskidi Great cinema isn’t about facts, it’s about truth.
@@SallyMankus130 Which is why it'll always drive an agenda.
@@mskidi yea this scene reads like every scene by sorkin ever : two white men bloviating over bullcrap as dueling aaron sorkins while camera pans and subdued music plays
Just one sentence: "It's not binary - you can be decent and gifted at the same time", on point!
except it's not a recipe for success
you can't win if you don't break a few eggs
Michael Fassbender and particularly Seth Rogen were amazing in this scene.
For all his genius and "magical thinking" Jobs essentially helped cancer kill him. His form of pancreatic cancer was slow-growing, if had surgery after he found about it - the success rate was 95%. Instead he did juice cleanses, took vitamins, alternative treatments, acupuncture, and tried to convince himself that he didn't have cancer. By the time he agreed to have surgery, it was too late - it had spread to other organs. He later told his biographer that not having surgery immediately was his biggest regret. My uncle did all the things Jobs did - while doing chemo - and survived stage four lung cancer (30yrs+ of being a firefighter.)
That's the way to do it. Do *everything* available to fight it. Fuck cancer.
Cancer Is a sham
NCBI: "There has been widespread speculation about whether Jobs’ decision to use CAM (Complementary and alternative medicine) approaches hastened his death by postponing initiation of potentially life-prolonging conventional treatments (Grady, 2011). However, the details of Jobs’ diagnosis and specific treatments received, both conventional and unconventional, have not been made public. Therefore, we cannot comment on whether or not he made the best decisions on his cancer treatment, nor can we comment on whether he would have had different outcomes had he chosen a different treatment approach. "
@@JS-tg7mw Oh look. It's an idiot who believes in that alternative medicine crap.
@@JS-tg7mw Don't try to defend garbage pseudoscience health practices that trick people into thinking they're healing themselves naturally when they're just letting themselves die slowly.
“I want my entire music collection in that phone - GET ON IT”
How the fuck are we gonna get all this, INTO THIS?
Hahaha
Billy "bitch tits" Burr
Big little big little, get on it!!!!!
I don't hear any thinking going on there! 😂
"Im tired of being Ringo when i know i was John"
Steve- *quietly*" everybody loves ringo" :(
What happened to men kicking each other’s asses
Ryan Jones the good ol’ days. It’s a damn shame we don’t settle our differences like that anymore 😩
@@AxeKick80 Yeah, back in the days when brothers killed each other over basically nothing. I sure miss it.
No Body I know, right?!? 😄🍻
@@NoBody-lj5xh It's less like killing each other over basically nothing, and more like giving a person a punch in the fucking head for being a cunt, when they know they were being a cunt, to get the message into their head and make them think(If not immediately, then maybe later) "Yeah, ya know... Maybe I was being a bit of a cunt.... Probably shouldn't be like that anymore...."
Nowadays you do that shit and you'll get a law suit and end up owing way more than a hospital bill, or be jailed if they decided to bring you to court for attempted murder, losing years of your life possibly in a cage with murderers and rapists, and likely ending up dying anyway, if not just giving up a big fat chunk of your savings...
But hey.... At least we aren't 'Killing each other over basically nothing.'
.... Like they do in the middle east and africa, every single day.
"I'm tired of being Ringo when I know I was John"
Steve- " everybody loves Ringo" - This is Job's way of saying, 'be happy with what I give you.' Also him pretending to be noble when he, 'allows' Wozinak to 'keep his job'. Such an authoritarian asshole.
The whole scene sounds like a dialogue of a broken and self-destructing marriage.
@LegoGuy87 I mean of course he was. The only person who could ever get away with saying that stuff to his face would be Woz. Woz also happens to be right and Steve knows it he just can’t admit it because admitting it is the beginning of the end.
The essence of the scene to me is; All Woz was saying is "acknowledge the Apple II team", unselfishly. Steve first reacts with arguments about - it will link the new product in the eyes of the public and journalist to a failed product... - but going forward the discussion shows the real reasons behind (both?) their points.
Woz was the one with talent and wasn't overhyped.
He was Paul.
He wrote Hey, Jude.
@@brmbkl About Steve's points. Woz somewhat singularised his argument to try and make it more direct and personal, but he was never just trying to get credit for himself. Woz's case never changed, Steve's kept getting vaguer and vaguer each time he realised how bad he was looking.
I have so much sympathy for Woz as a computer scientists. People who make the back end and do the work are always forgotten, when the ones who put their face on it refuse to show that they weren’t solely responsible.
Imagine not being the one to actually create, program, slave over or physically work on something, and yet refuse to give credit to the people who actually did something.
they get paid to do the work lmao it's not like you work for free
True. Work effortlessly to get something done, then someone else takes it and goes "Look what I did!"
Being a charlatan is work. Being a perfect charlatan 24/7 is worse than work, it's a lifestyle you have to knowingly adopt. Turning water to wine is largely making sure nobody admits it tastes a lot like red colored water.
Being a salesman is hollowing - they're both right and wrong, mostly because living in this system is terrible on the human spirit. Production, consumption, marketing.... it's a bad place to be.
At a product launch for a different and totally unconnected product? Everything Woz said was true except that this was the right time place to do that
Welcome to the us presidency.
which pixel is steve
both.
@@goldrake821 lmfao
my sweet summer child...what do you know about pixelation
144p was all we had. for YEARS
@@carlrs15 BaCk iN thE OlDEn DaAys
The dead one
The cinematography in this scene is excellent. The way Fassbender is shown taking up half the frame, eyes forward, the background slightly blurred and darkened against him literally stealing the spotlight while Rogen is always in the darker part of the room, never being illuminated more than needed to make out his posture, because he worked behind the scenes, OUTSIDE the spotlight.
Hell yeah! Glad you noticed it, and the meaning behind it.
I envy the extras. They got to sit or stand around in this beautiful auditorium and witness the filming of a beautifully crafted argument by the best screenwriter ever acted out by two actors at the top of their games. The tension in the performance was probably so thick, they probably easily forgot they were in a film.
Its a rare treat to see scenes like these with such great dialogue. The tension is built so well and the dialogue so quick and intense.
Wozniak > Jobs
Even as someone who doesn't like Apple products, I gotta give credit where it is due. Wozniak is a legend.
I will always wonder, and want to ask, what it was actually like between the two of them, their versions of how it all went down and no one else’s.
No one is better in that situation. Woz was great and Steve was great and it's clear they both struggled without eachother.
Both were necessary in order for Apple to succeed
@Tyler not a apple fanboy but apple is a ok company
@@anthonyhutchins2300 Steve was a bigger picture guy like Woz said. He created the foundation of apple and the user friendliness he designed things for the common user to want a computer and was intuitive not had to be heavily studied for their needs.
Woz was the tech guy. He made Steve’s ideas happen gave them life. He wanted to give it for free and wasn’t much of a bigger picture guy. Steve saw the potential for something Woz hadn’t. A potential to grow a business out of making computers user friendly and help the common people with their work and hobbie which computers weren’t designed to do yet outside of just making calculations and stuff. Woz was an engineering genius and a hobbyist which before Steve his designs were meant for people like him. Steve brought ideas for computer usage to the world outside of engineering and stuff.
Anyone who studies Apple's history eventually figures this out: Steve Jobs may have been the better businessman, but Woz was *always* the better man.
Going all the way back to the early days when Steve Jobs cheated Woz on an Atari game.
Woz disagrees with you. Shut the fuck up
@@josephmelton4721 he does NOT. He said time and again that while this conversation never happened, the meaning of it is spot on
I feel like Woz was better at making things, but Steve was the one with ideas and a vision
The whole evidence is that nothing has happened since Steve passed away.
@@viksaggu9085 but his ideas failed. He might of had vision by taking other peoples ideas and making them happen. The Macintosh was a fail & so was the Lisa both Jobs ideas.
Jobs is just wrong here. It’s beautifully displayed here how Steve is a businessman who knew nothing about his industry yet still “played the orchestra “ like a true artist.
I dont get it are you saying he's a great artist or is he wrong? My opinion is he's a con artist who rode the backs of geniuses and knew how to work a crowd, and used dirty business scams to cheat people out of what was rightfully theirs.
no jobs is right, he had to set the example that without him Apple can't exist
Word. Buying slave labor like a true artist would
To be clear, this never happened in real life. Jobs would have gladly acknowledged the apple 2 team. Wiz asked John scully in real life. This was just for conflict in the movie
@@nickcampbell6387 Steve rode off the backs of developers & engineers that did the work, and he was extremely abrasive at steering the ship. His genius was in the direction he chose to steer that ship in. Wozniak & the engineers were the reason that ship didn't sink in the stormy seas.
Without Wozniak & the engineers, the ship would have sunk and Jobs would have been remembered as just another too full of himself executive. Without Jobs, the ship would have wandered around aimlessly and been remembered as another company with a technologically advanced product that just wasn't able to attract customers.
-He didn't mean it.
Yeah, he did.
-He's a temperamental guy.
No, he's not.
That right there is Steve Jobs admitting Woz is right.
It's the closest he'd ever come to it.
Woz is always right.
I don't get it.
@@hereticsshallbecleansed7245 Steve was admitting he was the one acting on emotion, and Woz was acting on logic. Steve talks about "shipping a box of crap"--but hat's exactly what he did with LISA and the original mac, he shipped boxes of crap that failed. (And he failed because he way overestimated the growth of the market to non-enthusiasts.) Then he went off and failed again, and his "punishment" was to get another shot. Meanwhile, guys who actually succeeded at building a great project were being laid off.
It's admitting he's principled. It's not binary.
in another year, Seth Rogen could have gotten talk for Best Supporting Actor. His performance is so subtle and great, nice to see him in a serious role
The Oscars? Who gives a fuck about the Oscars?
@@JoshSweetvale people that could cast him in more serious roles and allow us to see more of the acting genius that Seth can be.
the whole thing is objectively foolish, but subjectively, for the people that live for it and care about it, it is important.
and the fact that these people's influential power is very much, not real, but _impactful_ in our society and its gears, makes the Oscars an important thing, not because of it per se, but because of the actions/reactions of the people who care about it.
I mean, would you have watched parasite if it weren't for the Oscars?
if it was a more serious institution that genuinely awarded the truly great movies instead of the ones with better marketing, lobbying and exposure the world would be culturally richer.
the status quo is a shame, but it's not like it has 0 impact in your life, after all, most people you know will care about it and what they talk to you about will be influenced by it even if ever so slightly so.
maybe, beyond not caring about it at all, we should care enough and recognize its cultural importance as to make a wave to try and enforce change in its current status quo to one of real value?
a democratically voted system would be flawed, sensible to being exploited by Cambridge analytica and other big data influence manipulation companies, besides, it couldn't even in our wildest dreams compete with the established event that is the Oscars, meaning it itself is the one that has the very power needed to change how things are now.
(and ofc they won't, why? capitalism)
@Bart Simpson I think Set Rogaine has enough money. So does Magneto.
@Bart Simpson 4 people. Possibly more. As for you: Nobody.
I have very little value. You have _no_ value.
@@JoshSweetvale I don't care how much money he has. I like seeing him in films, and seeing him act. When he does exceptionally, I'd like to see it recognized. A man deserves recognition when he creates exceptional work through his labors.
The decision to frame this scene with the shark in the background is so brilliant, I can hardly describe it. Excellent choice by the director. What a scene.
I can describe it. They put a shark behind him because they want to show him as bad. Perhaps a predator
"it is a crucial part of the history of personal computing"
"For a time!"
I don't think that's how history works Mr. Jobs
one thing i always liked about this scene is that even though jobs is kind of a "villain" here, he legitimately sounds still hurt at the end. portrayed as a bad person, but still a human person.
I wonder how many people noticed the symbolism of having that shark image on the projector.
Wow u must be some sort of genius
what does it mean?
The apple too with a bite represents Seth's character tryna take a byte of the apple. This movie man is all about sharks and apples.
@@chase7914 Ever heard of "business sharks" expression?
@@StRanGerManY 'ope I get it now
"You can be gifted and decent at the same time" That's linux.
Agnel Vishal kind of no. Torvalds is known for being a bit of an ass when talking to co-workers. For a long time he refused to implement a code of conduct despite complaints about unnecessarily harsh rants about other’s work on the kernel.
@@BenRangel okay. Let me give another perception. Gift is generally free. So linux is free and decent. Apple is decent but not free.
Agnel Vishal oh, thought you meant decency in terms of work climate or boss/employee conversations
@@BenRangel it can be seen as either ways I think
@@agnelvishal5361 you don't know what gifted means, do you?
"He's a temperamental guy"
"No he's not"
So good.
I’m glad they showed the man that Jobs really was in this movie
yeah a disgusting monster
agreed
History and people aren’t binary either
Their chemistry was epic.
Rogan definitely owned this scene
Even though this confrontation probably didn't happen, the dialog and acting is brilliant. The simple dynamic of two men arguing. Brilliant.
It definitely didn't happen. The Apple II team was disbanded and reassigned to other projects 4 years before Jobs came back to the company.
Michael Fassbender was absolutely fantastic as Steve Jobs. His best role and surprisingly the best choice to play Steve
“It’s not BINARY. You can be decent and gifted at the same time.” Good Lord. What a great phucking scene this was.
This scene is so great. Everything Sorkin touches is gold.
“He didn’t meant it..yeah he did...he’s a temperamental guy....no he’s not”. When perception becomes reality.
I just want to say that Ringo Starr was a great musician, too
Sure, but he wasn't an innovator.
@@WalterLiddy Talk to ten drummers, nine of them will say "Ringo is the reason I became a drummer."
You were saying?
@KD6-3. 7 I could give a shit about the Apple 2 team, but you're dead fucking wrong about Ringo being merely adequate.
@KD6-3. 7 This is the most literally autistic comment ive ever read
@@bobmarket8056 Keith Moon and Neil Peart are usually considered the best drummers of all time
Don't need to debate back and forth about many things that happened between these guys. The single most simplistic way to measure Jobs is to see how he treated his first daughter.
Or John treating his first son.
@@magtovi I’m confused, can you clarify?
@@garybrown2039 John Lennon treatment of Julian Lennon.
Even Paul McCartney wrote the kid a song, but "Hey Jules" would have been too much in-your-face to John, that's why he changed the name to "Hey Jude".
That’s the part that always gets left out of this clip: “you can be decent and gifted at the same time.” When that’s the entire point lol
I keep seeing compilations of the best acting of the decade, and I never see this scene in them, this is definitely some of the best acting I've ever seen this
And I love that the final slap to the face to Jobs whole mentality to the situation is his very own sleep screen in the background, “Think Different”. Such a small but impactful moment to reflect on.
Haven't seen the movie, but I still think that's the craziest thing that people forget. Steve Jobs didn't get rich off of Apple, it was essentially his pet project he wanted to run to prove himself, despite repeated financial problems for the company. He made his money by owning the majority of shares in Pixar by investing in the studio long before it was picked up by Disney. During that business deal he was paid not in cash, but in stocks in Disney, just before the release of their most successful movies ever (By the recently acquired Pixar of course). He was the largest stock holder for Disney for quite some time, and because of this wealth when he returned as a CEO, Apple didn't close down. People consider Apple to be his biggest success and is the thing he's always known for, but personally I consider it to be Pixar, as that was the first company to envision movies made entirely in a computer, which they achieved with incredible results.
Wait what?
@@Everythingupsidedown Yeah it's pretty crazy right? He made huge amounts of money on his Pixar investment especially after Disney bought them and the stock prices skyrocjeted. Whereas Apple didn't really reach largescale success (In terms of actually making money at least) until the Iphone which came out years later and not too long before his death. Previously Apple's biggest achievements weren't as a company really, but moreso in the things they made that Microsoft wasn't willing to risk trying at the time.
@@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo don't forget that he became a millionnaire with apple.
Then was evicted from apple of course he'd be doing something else as he was a businessman.
@@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo Technically, it was Big Idea Productions that pioneered animations made entirely by a computer; and indeed, they released the very first full length CGI film in the history of animation in 1992, or three years prior to Pixar's first full length film.
@@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo But wasn't he a millionaire before he started investing in Pixar and Disney?
This is how a Narcissist argues. They first try and change the subject, 2:00, responding to questions that were never asked. When that doesn't work, they switch to pointing out your failures that have nothing to do with the argument, 2:16 to 3:22. If that doesn't work, they have nothing left but personal insults.
Man, Seth Rogan can act. He needs to do more serious roles, 'cause he can really bring it if he wants to
I like how the whole scene there’s a shark on the screen, kinda representing Steve in a way somehow. And at the end after the whole conflict the screen switches briefly to Think Different like it was meant for him, to be different and not be a cold blooded shark.
This whole scene is a masterpiece, even the soundtrack, it just hits really different
It gives you these peaceful yet uncertain feelings, I just can't describe it
Who in their right mind uploads a video in 240p after 2008
maybe there compouter sucks thats y its 240p
Someone acknowledging that people without high data plans watch TH-cam too.
It was uploaded from a Mac II
Frank Black ... you need a high data plan to watch above 240p?
@@NVC77 You can only up it to the resolution it was uploaded as. If something is uploaded at 720 you can always bring it down to 360 to make it play faster. But if it's uploaded at 240, you can't go higher than that as that's the ceiling of the resolution of the file.
I haven't even seen the film and this is one of the best cinematic scenes I think I have ever watched
Whether this conversation happened just like this or not, whether it represents these two fairly or not, it is illustrative of something...there can be creative and functional tensions between two individuals which lead to incredible things. And the tensions I refer to isn't this conversation...it is the years of collaboration well before this. This is just the culmination of that. I think arguably they can be both right about things, and both wrong simultaneously. The statement of "it isn't binary" is astute, and points out a significant flaw in Steve. But Steve wouldn't be Steve without that flaw. And Woz wouldn't be Woz without that humanity and a certain amount of naiveness. It is almost random and chaotic how it comes together, it can't be bottled or reproduced. It is just a fascinating story really. Must have been something to work with them and witness it.
worked for Woz, in '82'. He was decent and gifted, at the same time. Took exemplary care of me, of us. No, he's not a temperamental guy. He smiled the entire time and we had a blast.
because of Woz's personality in a real life, I have a very hard time believing that this interaction is organic at all
They we're known to have many loud verbal arguments over the years. Steve was incapable of having friends.
I can almost guarantee they did. When you’ve worked with jobs as long as woz did you’re bound to get pissed at him
The idea of the scene is that this was portrayed as the usually calm Woz finally snapping. (Not sure if accurate but seems plausible)
Everyone has a crisis point.
@@thefatman69dude No they werent. Wozniak hated confrontation and Jobs was never dismissive of him. Only once, Wozniaks father, a brilliant engineer himself, called Jobs worthless and the latter got utterly gobsmacked, cried his eyes out and then told Steve Wozniak that he was willing to leave the company if he shared his fathers' opinions to which Wozniak responded that he most certainly didnt.
6:13 I love the way when he is thinking about the conversation just happened the screen in back changes to Apple Logo with 'Think Different' ... subtle way to say he is thinking this through differently.
Legend has it that Wozniak even told a man in an Apple store one time to consider looking at a Windows product, as it would be less expensive, and might provide him with a better experience.
In all honesty Fassbender is an amazing actor every role he's played he has smashed from action like 300 to this he absolutely slays everytime. Rogan as well his ability to play serious roles isn't taken seriously enough.
"He didn't mean it"
"Yeah he did"
"He's a temperamental guy"
"No he's not"
Love that
Seth Rogen should have been nominated for an Oscar. Dude killed it
"I had three accountants try to explain it to me. We need to streamline"
"Start with two of the accountants."
Gorgeous.
Between the actors delivery, and sorkin’s dialogue this is a scene for the ages
"You were less than ninety days from being insolvent. I had three different accountants try to explain it to me. The whole place has to be streamlined."
"Start with two of the accountants."
The subtle background image change from the Shark to the Apple logo.. Damn...
The awkward silence at the end “NAILED IT” 👍
Seth Rogan will win an academy award one day...
If he burst into flames mid take maybe
he never will
Who the hell complains about it watching it if they don’t like it. Just find a clear copy dickhead
The subtle music makes this scene way more powerful, I love it.
This is one of the most underrated movies to be released during the last decade.
And Seth Rogen is a very good dramatic actor.
"It's not binary. You can be decent and gifted at the same time."
Beautiful writing. That was Steve Jobs. He was not a good man. He wouldn't give credit to anyone or acknowledge the work of anyone else but his own and what he could take credit for. He was ruthless, he had an ego. But he was a genius in his field. He was an innovator, he was an exceptional businessman.
You can see it in Apple now. They've not innovated in years. They came out with AirPods which is not a first for wireless headphones nor are they practical in any sense over wired. They require recharging, you can easily lose them, there are many points of failure more than standard wired headphones yet they come at a higher cost. An idea that is good on paper much like the Apple 2 but not in practice. Steve Jobs would've known that, he would've been furious much like here.
All of those achievements could have been attained without being a major asshole like he is was in this film.
Just because an asshole was able to revolutionize technology, doesn't mean he should've been an asshole.
Airpods are absolutely practical. This is clearly coming from someone who has never used them before. The Airpod Pros are absolutely fantastic.
@@graybonesau agree. And the Apple II was hardly a failed product. Also; to think Steve Jobs would dismiss a product because of points of failure? The first imacs came with a cord that was too long or too short depending on what user case, and a round hockeypuck mouse that didn't know itself which way it wanted to point. Apple made some great products that all had some crazy "what were they thinking" aspects. Features (and speed and bang for the buck) that's the pc-builder mentality. Nothing to do with apple in the Jobs era or now..
I’m sorry, but the line about Apple not innovating in years is so misleading it must come from someone whose never used a product of theirs before.
The MacBook (2012), while revolutionary for music and video production, had infamously terrible heating problems and low battery life (maybe two hours of continued use). Today, a new MacBook (2020) produces no temperature problems whatsoever and can easily last 20 hours of continuous usage. They’re also on the cheaper end in comparison to other prebuilt laptops on the market.
Also, if you’re comparing AirPods’ quality as wireless headphones, why are you comparing them to wired? That feels less like a comment on their efficacy and more like a personal gripe with wireless headphones in general. “They require charging?” So you’d rather go against the conventional wisdom of every wireless headphone manufacturer and build bulky wireless headphones using AA batteries for mobile users? That’s extremely impractical.
The AirPods are successful because they’re extremely portable devices with great audio quality and active noise cancellation.
Apple products are popular status symbols, yes, but to imply that they simply sit back and make no effort to work on the technology they produce is tremendously falsifiable.
@@MegaRekless did you just say “pre built laptops” like people are out here building their own?
They needed eachother and that's a fact... They were a perfect combination. Egos got in,the way.
Anthony Hutchins only Steve's ego.
Jose Ignacio which steve
Steve apparently was a pretty narcissistic, egocentric genius - unable to acknowledge the contribution of others to “his” products. Truly great CEOs take a step back, praise their team and nurture their talent. In my view Steve was a very successful, but not a great CEO, as he was unable to overcome his personality problems.
Asshole is the word you are looking for bother....he was a asshole
@@DTVisDISNEY1984 True dat. Jobs was a failure as a human being.
Eh, who cares about your mediocre perspective of morality and his "personality problems". He built the most profitable public corporation in the history of our species, AFTER turning it around from a sinking ship, that's a great CEO, if not the greatest CEO lol. Take your emotional value judgments elsewhere, in business and logistics you analyze objective results. The other people in this thread complaining about how "nice" he was as a person (or lack thereof) are worried about the wrong things, which is why these losers will never amount to anything and will always just be in TH-cam comments, talking about "how bad of a person" those who are better and more successful than them are. Have a nice day losers lol
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no You make this moronic rant and have the gall to call them losers? I genuinely feel sorry for your family and friends, assuming you have any.
@@Joshpl Wasn't really a rant, nothing was emotional about it. I utilized ad hominem in calling them losers, but that's not an emotional advance. Wasn't really moronic either, everything I said was a fact. Apple is the most profitable public corporation in human history, Steve Jobs brought them there from near-extinction, thereby making him objectively the greatest CEO. It's simple.
And yes, losers tend to be people that share Slave-morality beliefs such as "It doesn't matter how successful you are if you're a bad person", and based on your emotional response of trying to bring "family and friends" into this as if they matter in this context, you're probably a loser as well.
That would have been epic to have experienced such a historic exchange in real life.
With the compression, fassbender looks a lot like Steve. Especially on the stage right 1on1 with the lady. Low light bringing out the wide jaw of jobs.
- It's a temperamental guy
-no is not :c ; acknowledging that Woz have a little of true in his words
"he" not "it"
Rogan's best part to date. He's under rated as a dramatic actor, wish he'd do more
This and the opening scene of the movie really makes my gut wrench
Seth Rohan was the best part of this movie. Great cast. Excellent interpretation of Steve Jobs. Brutal but fair. Clarity over agreement. Truth over perception.
FOR ROHAN!
For WOZ!!!!!!!
When two good actors have great dialogue, you have scenes like this one.
Literally nobody remembers that the Mac was a failure.
That's called marketing
@@hajjdawood "Most households use iPads": you just proved his point. Jobs' vision was to have Macs in every household, not in every corporate section. With the Mac, Apple did not win the corporate sector entirely even though it claimed a big part of it, but it sure lost the household sector to Windows.
@@hajjdawood Also, Macs are more optimised, supported and better built: you pay more but they last longer while remaining pretty consistent throughout (visuals, performance, usability).
@@hajjdawood Did you really just claim that Macs have a better price-to-performance ratio than PCs? You either knowingly made that up or were told some seriously wrong info by someone.
@@EmgoFilms i know right? What's his definition of cheap? You can make great pc's for so much less than a mac
Apple is right back there. No new products, or innovation. But hey, you got cartoon emojis.
What the fuck are you on? Have you heard of AirPods recently?
@@A_78939 Wireless earphones? Really? I don't think that's an innovation.
Its been along time since Apple has done anything game changing or innovative.
@@A_78939 oh nice overpriced garbage ass headphones that I can lose easily because there's no wire but here's the kicker: they have to be charged so I can lose sound in one ear through my day, awesome! Can't wait for the batteries to fail LMFAO
Lol apple fanboys still shilling I see
It’s possible to be a gifted person and a decent person at the same time. What is virtually impossible is to climb into a role where the buck stops with you while simultaneously being a decent person.
Linus Torvald
Fassbender's last line hits really hard. first she says "He's a temperamental guy." and Jobs goes...."No, he's not."
wow....like....Jobs knew that Wozniak was right, but this feud was old and Steve couldn't lose the feud now....in front of all these employees. Brilliant little moment of Jobs showing his hand.
What an scene. One of the best ever.
They acted the shit out of what amounts to a pretty trivial dispute. It's too bad you so rarely see a scene so loaded with conflict and drama about something that matters.
Wow. Really enjoyed Seth Rogen in this. Would love to see him in more serious roles like this
This movie was great despite its lack of recognition
You know, I usually can't stand Seth Rogen but man he knocked it out of the park with his portrayal of Wozniak.
Man this is some great acting paired with dialogue and history, I was glued to what was happening.
if its not binary and you can be decent and gifted at the same time, does that make it quantum
NaBEAST no it makes them not mutually exclusive. Quantum would mean it was both decent and not until observed, at which time it would collapse into either one or the other. Or sum shit like that it’s late and I’m stoned.
NaBEAST quantum doesn’t inherently mean anything
JOHN VARELA you’re thinking of quantum superpositions, which is a property described in quantum mechanics. Something being “quantum” doesn’t mean anything
Yes humans are the original quantum computers, whoda thunk it?
Best comment out of the first 50 I read. Pissed off I didn’t say it first. Lol
Damn, why did I watch the other Steve Jobs movie over this one
Pirates of Silicon Valley is also another great movie to check out :)
I have so much respect for Woz, he seems like such a great guy still to this day and I’d love to meet him
Probably one of my most favourite movie seane's ever....It's so well acted
I’ve only seen this movie and this scene on Apple products. All thanks to Woz and his team.
I want my whole music collection on that phone.
GET ON IT!!
- Bill Burr
"It's not binary!..."
then "Think Different" comes up. Nice simple touch.
You can be gifted and decent at the same time damn that would strike me pretty hard too
Small brains think Steve is wrong here. Big brains understand to ignore what small brains think
You ever see someone fall short of the potential they have? Like knowingly and deliberately be a bad person when you thought they were different like
ugh