We try to include as many of the celebrities as possible while also giving some exposure to up-and-coming channels. If Nostalgia Nerd was at the show and we were aware of it then we might have been able to make it happen, but alas we are not aware if they attended.
Not that there needs to be a ton of structure to these things, but you can really tell who among are more introverted. I thought all of the panelists were great. Would've like to hear more from June, Kate, and David. Fantastic people to conversations with that didn't get the focus of attention. Lots of enthusiasm happening on the stage and that includes Maccy!
Incredible nerd power in one room. My fave is Adrian. I enjoy watching him sound all technical and knowledgeable, and watch him not fix computers after multiple hour multiple spanning videos. I always end up saying "Goodness."
@ctraltrees aren't you the guy that modified an Atari 2600 with composite video output for a museum, therefore making it less original for the museum (which seems a bit ironic)? I asked you if RF modulators have become unreliable enough for the composite video modification to be acceptable in a museum environment, but I don't think I heard back.
Thanks, Rees! I was a bit nervous. lol Maybe you can make VCF SoCal this Feb 2025! You can find out firsthand how I do moderating our own TH-camr's Panel. :) -Cheers, Steve
Why would anybody become nostalgic about a modern phone, these are hardware coming as regularly and inconsequentially as software updates... besides, they have become way over complicated, their inner workings inaccessible, crappily constructed glued trash, and just overall shallow super fast and therefore boring devices. And EVERYTHING one could love on them is a service now. And said services are tuned to give you an interest rush for 3.2seconds tops. Blurgh...
There are TH-cam channels where people mow lawns, unclog drains, pressure-wash driveways, shop thrift stores, read reddit posts... So if one of you wants to show birds, that's not outrageous or weird... any more than usual I mean.
Good discussion. Like many on the panel my first computer was also a Vic20, but the computer I had the longest as a kid was an Apple IIc, which from memory is the last computer Steve Jobs launched before he was kicked out by the board.
1:14:50 yes! As a retrodeveloper, I need to hoard as much as possible to test stuff and at some point, it becomes expensive and difficult. Its almost cruel that some fans of old machines lament the lack of new software, yet, they keep dozens of such machines and the prices become astronomical
To be clear, I've benefitted from and also helped with my local demo scene group, as well as individuals, with machines for testing. My wife would be more than happy if I offload some of my collection to friends😅
The advice to get to know scrappers is spot on! My super rare EVK-300 that was on display at VCFSW was seen in an e-waste group I'm in on Facebook. The scrapper was in New Zealand and shipped it to me after we came to a price. I did send him extra as shipping was far more than he thought as he was an honest guy who also sold me 5 hen's teeth... er... S6834 EPROMs from AMI.
I do wonder if Twitch is mostly IRL stuff nowadays. Gaming is still huge, but it's got a TON of people just chatting, playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, painting miniatures (personal favorite as a 40k enthusiast), digital art and analog, live role-playing sessions, crafting etc etc. Plus you can now multi-stream to Twitch and TH-cam at the same time, and Facebook and Tiktok etc as well.
I thought Steve did a solid job of moderating.. especially as a first timer! There were a few little glitches here and there (like missing Kate) along the way, but that's to be expected, and anyway the conversation was really enjoyable and interesting regardless. Well done!
@@Wizardofgosz No, Southwest is in Dallas, Texas. You are probably thinking of VCF East in New Jersey. Curious Marc was on our TH-camr panel last year: th-cam.com/video/Tev3ddZNm88/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qldCw-sYlP22Y7ov
What a nice panel! I regularly watch several of these people, although I think at least one of them doesn't (usually?) show his face, as I didn't recognize him despite being sure I had seen videos he made. Too bad Maccy got too "tired" to continue to the end, though, hehe.
I'd seen at least one vid of each panel member except the moderator... The ones I'm subscribed to are 8-Bit Guy (and his now defunct 8-Bit Keys), Usagi-sama ;), Action Retro, Adrian (I and II), and I think I subscribed to Mac Librarian last week... I've watched a lot of LGR... but never subscribed. (Sorry Clint, most of your vids are of things I have no nostalgia for)... I also sub Techmoan, Tech Tangents, 8-Bit Show & Tell, and a couple other tech youtubers... And like with Clint/LGR, I watch some Nostalgia Nerd and MVG, but much of it I skip. Man, it's great to hear ll the good stuff in this... And I need to figure out when and where the meetups are in Portland.
WOW! Do I feel old now. Two of us started our county school’s computer club with a sponsor teacher using a teletype machine and a 300baud acoustical modem. No floppy drive, our programs were on yellow perforated paper tape (perf tape).
Looking forward to that upcoming Baby Pac-Man restoration video from Time Rift Arcade. I played it one time at a Showbiz Pizza way back in the 80's, but was to young to understand how it worked.
These are excellent, so many like myself couldn't attend but know all these personalities. Thanks. Great point of discussion (~1:02:00) btwn Adrian and David Lovett i.e. USAGI (Centurion) about the significance of all these artifacts, even those that came and went. Many hours of labor, and love of design process went into these pieces. And to Thomas the 20 ips data on cassettes don't forget the Fisher-Price children's video recorder (audio cassette based) which came and went but I believe one director used for his first feature as a 12yr old.
That video recorder is one of the few vague memories I have of the toy section of the AFB Exchange where I lived back in the late 80s. It was on a high shelf (well, high for me, when I was a little one), and I remember thinking how peculiar it was that it recorded video on audio cassettes. I always had that "engineer" mindset, where I was curious and didn't take things like that for granted, but I didn't have significant understanding of bandwidth and the data density of particular media, such that I could grasp _why_ that was unique, just that it was. It made me wonder why it wasn't more common, if it could apparently be done at all, and what it would sound like if you played the tape back on an audio deck. That is one of the earliest examples I can cite of a piece of tech that was fascinating to me not because of what it did (I had no real interest in video cameras), but only because of _how_ it did it.
What a great batch of TH-cam personalities. I happen to already watch all except panelists #1 and #3, but I’ll be sure to add them to my subs. Thanks for the coverage.
I really enjoyed the video and the discussion. The host did a good job, and I liked the format. I have seen some of the TH-camrs and not the others, so the introductions and catch-up questions were nice. Also I read the comments and think some people will find literally anything to complain about. Don't listen to the haters!
Seemed to me like he was just part of the discussion, but also responsible for coming up with prompts and getting the ball rolling. It really isn't much different than any other talk host. If you just sit down and tell 9 people, many of which are introverts, "hey start talking about something interesting..." you get either silence or pandemonium.
@@nickwallette6201 nah, he mostly answered his own questions more extensive than the panel in a whole - and sometimes even deepdives. it often felt wrong to me as there was a such interesting and known gang. i got the impression that LGR was a bit pissed off aswell :D ... might be a wrong impression but hey, i found it bold to lead this dope meeting and put so much "own-mustard" on every damn topic. just my 2 cents. excuse my english - it's not my primary language.
We were talking about audio/music software becoming unusable over time. I posted this comment which applies to technology in general: "Obsolescence is one of the trade-offs we accept in order to progress."
Nice video, I already follow a lot of them, I'm curious to look to those I didn't , it was nice to see them side by side and watch different or same perspectives of the topics . hope one day I can go to a VCF and see and talk live :D
All of these people are great, but I don't think that's ever reflected in these "TH-cam Panel" videos, as it feels like I'm just watching them sat around talking about being internet famous. I'd much rather see them individually talking about specific projects. I'm sure it's fun to meet people you watch regularly in person, but for me that doesn't translate into a great panel.
June brought an IBM AS/400 to VCFSW - which is one project that she is working on - although I don't know of concise content that she has posted about it.
If only there was some way you could single them out, and watch each of them only talk about their own stuff... Some sort of individualized video delivery service....
In a panel like this, the host's job is to ensure that each panelist gets roughly equal time. Everyone who watches this is probably already aware that Adrian repairs a lot of things and that LGR no longer does game reviews. How did we waste half an hour at the top talking about topics everyone already knows while 2/3 of the panel hardly got a word in?
IKR It took 25 mins for Kate to speak outside the intro, and it wasn't even a question asked of her. Haha. While others at least got one I'm glad she called it out at 35 mins
@@Mrmayhembsc Yeah, I think 2-3 people talked for almost the entire 25 minutes. I realize that some of these people are celebrities in our small circle of retro enthusiasts, and it's easy to get carried away, but I would have liked to hear more from the relative newcomers (I'm fully aware of the fact that none of them are actually new).
The host is dressed in pretty much the same outfit I wear to bed. Must have taken him a while to pick out his best white undershirt to be immortalized on TH-cam. Props to the Mac girl for being the best dressed person on the panel.
3:12 - He was a guest when it was chronologically appropriate to your channel, now he is irrelevant. Seriously, i've known of Chronologically Gaming for an entire 2 minutes, and i know his shtick better than he does. These ARE just random misfits from all over the world, with cute animals and a computer in the background somewhere! What a fail.
this video has all the mistakes you usually try to avoid , the wide shot needs to be much tighter, the tighter shots are also too wide, the like at 57:09 no need to show an empty chair on the left. 1:09:00 why we see so much of the white board in the back, interestting panel of peoples but ruined by a very bad video shoot,
I'm not sure much was lost due to lack of cinematography... You could've had an equivalent experience for 99% of the material here, just listening to it as a podcast.
Having some background knowledge of how they recorded this... I can say that having edited three cameras, multiple mics, and other nuances together, and then getting it posted only days after the festival... some extra-mile, superb editing just is not going to happen. Sure, they can get it more polished-up, but you wouldn't be able to watch it till the Fall. :p -Cheers, Steve
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As a brit I only know LGR, 8 bit guy and Adrian's digital basement.
Where is Nostalgia Nerd is what I was thinking :).
We try to include as many of the celebrities as possible while also giving some exposure to up-and-coming channels. If Nostalgia Nerd was at the show and we were aware of it then we might have been able to make it happen, but alas we are not aware if they attended.
Not that there needs to be a ton of structure to these things, but you can really tell who among are more introverted. I thought all of the panelists were great. Would've like to hear more from June, Kate, and David. Fantastic people to conversations with that didn't get the focus of attention. Lots of enthusiasm happening on the stage and that includes Maccy!
Incredible nerd power in one room.
My fave is Adrian. I enjoy watching him sound all technical and knowledgeable, and watch him not fix computers after multiple hour multiple spanning videos. I always end up saying "Goodness."
I'm streaming LGR Birds now.
Nice 😂
@@TheVintNerd & I demand LGR Beavers!!
@@LADYMONA Oh, don't get me mixed in with this! lol
Interesting talk as always, thanks for putting it online! Steve did a great job of keeping the conversation flowing 👍
Need to get Rees out to one of these. :D
@ctraltrees aren't you the guy that modified an Atari 2600 with composite video output for a museum, therefore making it less original for the museum (which seems a bit ironic)?
I asked you if RF modulators have become unreliable enough for the composite video modification to be acceptable in a museum environment, but I don't think I heard back.
Thanks, Rees! I was a bit nervous. lol Maybe you can make VCF SoCal this Feb 2025! You can find out firsthand how I do moderating our own TH-camr's Panel. :) -Cheers, Steve
There will definitely be a market for current tech in the retro market in say 30+ years; just like tech from 30+ years ago is now.
Why would anybody become nostalgic about a modern phone, these are hardware coming as regularly and inconsequentially as software updates... besides, they have become way over complicated, their inner workings inaccessible, crappily constructed glued trash, and just overall shallow super fast and therefore boring devices. And EVERYTHING one could love on them is a service now. And said services are tuned to give you an interest rush for 3.2seconds tops. Blurgh...
David Lovett ('Usagi Electric') gave a great performance of "The Devil went down to Georgia" before the cameras were rolling...
Sadly, it wasn't caught by our cameras. Next year we'll have the TH-camrs do a karaoke competition.
If I'm not mistaken, the devil was in a bind, cause he was way behind, and he was willing to make a deal.
@@UsagiElectric Sounds right to me.
@@UsagiElectric Wait, did you really sing? I assumed that was a joke, LOL.
There are TH-cam channels where people mow lawns, unclog drains, pressure-wash driveways, shop thrift stores, read reddit posts... So if one of you wants to show birds, that's not outrageous or weird... any more than usual I mean.
Good discussion. Like many on the panel my first computer was also a Vic20, but the computer I had the longest as a kid was an Apple IIc, which from memory is the last computer Steve Jobs launched before he was kicked out by the board.
the thing is that its only incorrect if it doesnt work !!!
1:14:50 yes! As a retrodeveloper, I need to hoard as much as possible to test stuff and at some point, it becomes expensive and difficult.
Its almost cruel that some fans of old machines lament the lack of new software, yet, they keep dozens of such machines and the prices become astronomical
To be clear, I've benefitted from and also helped with my local demo scene group, as well as individuals, with machines for testing.
My wife would be more than happy if I offload some of my collection to friends😅
Trying to help with that as much as I can!
Besides June, who was the other MX-5 owner?
I think the voice was of the audience member who asked the question about side projects.
The advice to get to know scrappers is spot on! My super rare EVK-300 that was on display at VCFSW was seen in an e-waste group I'm in on Facebook. The scrapper was in New Zealand and shipped it to me after we came to a price. I did send him extra as shipping was far more than he thought as he was an honest guy who also sold me 5 hen's teeth... er... S6834 EPROMs from AMI.
I do wonder if Twitch is mostly IRL stuff nowadays. Gaming is still huge, but it's got a TON of people just chatting, playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, painting miniatures (personal favorite as a 40k enthusiast), digital art and analog, live role-playing sessions, crafting etc etc. Plus you can now multi-stream to Twitch and TH-cam at the same time, and Facebook and Tiktok etc as well.
There is no C# in Apple platforms…
LGR Christmas.... not alone...
A big YES to LGR birds. I feed wild Aussie cockatoos
I thought Steve did a solid job of moderating.. especially as a first timer! There were a few little glitches here and there (like missing Kate) along the way, but that's to be expected, and anyway the conversation was really enjoyable and interesting regardless. Well done!
Thanks for the positive feedback. It was a Blast to moderate! :) -Cheers, Steve
love the LRG and 8-bit guys intros :D hahahahahah epic :D
8BG missed an opportunity - he could have introduced himself with "I designed an 8-bit computing platform incorrectly". 🤣
They need to get Curious Marc on one of these panels one day.
He was on the panel last year and also gave a presentation. Check our playlist from 2023 to find those videos.
@@VCFSW was that the one in New Jersey? Now that you mention it I think I watched that one. I think Fran Blanche was on that one as well?
@@Wizardofgosz No, Southwest is in Dallas, Texas. You are probably thinking of VCF East in New Jersey. Curious Marc was on our TH-camr panel last year: th-cam.com/video/Tev3ddZNm88/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qldCw-sYlP22Y7ov
Who said nerds don't have a sense of humor 😂😂
What a nice panel! I regularly watch several of these people, although I think at least one of them doesn't (usually?) show his face, as I didn't recognize him despite being sure I had seen videos he made. Too bad Maccy got too "tired" to continue to the end, though, hehe.
I'd seen at least one vid of each panel member except the moderator...
The ones I'm subscribed to are 8-Bit Guy (and his now defunct 8-Bit Keys), Usagi-sama ;), Action Retro, Adrian (I and II), and I think I subscribed to Mac Librarian last week... I've watched a lot of LGR... but never subscribed. (Sorry Clint, most of your vids are of things I have no nostalgia for)... I also sub Techmoan, Tech Tangents, 8-Bit Show & Tell, and a couple other tech youtubers... And like with Clint/LGR, I watch some Nostalgia Nerd and MVG, but much of it I skip.
Man, it's great to hear ll the good stuff in this...
And I need to figure out when and where the meetups are in Portland.
The best of the best techretro youtuber 👌
WOW! Do I feel old now. Two of us started our county school’s computer club with a sponsor teacher using a teletype machine and a 300baud acoustical modem. No floppy drive, our programs were on yellow perforated paper tape (perf tape).
Looking forward to that upcoming Baby Pac-Man restoration video from Time Rift Arcade. I played it one time at a Showbiz Pizza way back in the 80's, but was to young to understand how it worked.
Action Retro after my own heart with that 98 XJ Cherokee, love those bricks and had the same year myself, missing it every day!
These are excellent, so many like myself couldn't attend but know all these personalities. Thanks. Great point of discussion (~1:02:00) btwn Adrian and David Lovett i.e. USAGI (Centurion) about the significance of all these artifacts, even those that came and went. Many hours of labor, and love of design process went into these pieces. And to Thomas the 20 ips data on cassettes don't forget the Fisher-Price children's video recorder (audio cassette based) which came and went but I believe one director used for his first feature as a 12yr old.
I wanted to go, but it's just too much driving for me. Would have liked to have met many of these people. Maybe next year.
That video recorder is one of the few vague memories I have of the toy section of the AFB Exchange where I lived back in the late 80s. It was on a high shelf (well, high for me, when I was a little one), and I remember thinking how peculiar it was that it recorded video on audio cassettes.
I always had that "engineer" mindset, where I was curious and didn't take things like that for granted, but I didn't have significant understanding of bandwidth and the data density of particular media, such that I could grasp _why_ that was unique, just that it was. It made me wonder why it wasn't more common, if it could apparently be done at all, and what it would sound like if you played the tape back on an audio deck.
That is one of the earliest examples I can cite of a piece of tech that was fascinating to me not because of what it did (I had no real interest in video cameras), but only because of _how_ it did it.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. It was a Blast to moderate! :) -Cheers, Steve
What a great batch of TH-cam personalities. I happen to already watch all except panelists #1 and #3, but I’ll be sure to add them to my subs. Thanks for the coverage.
Terrific! Mr Wires (#1) has a fun channel. Tell him I said you could be on one of his episodes. 😂 -Cheers, Steve
@@TheVintNerd I'm glad you commented, because as the host of this, I totally forgot to subscribe to you... Duh!
@@RetroGamingNook Thanks! That's awesome :)
I really enjoyed the video and the discussion. The host did a good job, and I liked the format. I have seen some of the TH-camrs and not the others, so the introductions and catch-up questions were nice. Also I read the comments and think some people will find literally anything to complain about. Don't listen to the haters!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. It was a Blast to moderate! :) -Cheers, Steve
The host has a great voice
Well, Thank You. lol -Cheers, Steve
20 minutes in and wondering when you'll allow Kate to speak
cool talk!
Great moderator. You can definitely tell which people are introverts but we love them anyways. Such a lucky community to have these folks.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. It was a Blast to moderate and get to ask the panel questions. :) -Cheers, Steve
This group convo was really nice. (and super funny!) Host did a great job. I had fun hearing this.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. It was a Blast to moderate! :) -Cheers, Steve
awesome ! my favorite (US) youtubers
a felt 30% of that session is about the host/moderator. bit annoying sometimes. other than that I enjoyed it a lot. thumbs up
Seemed to me like he was just part of the discussion, but also responsible for coming up with prompts and getting the ball rolling. It really isn't much different than any other talk host. If you just sit down and tell 9 people, many of which are introverts, "hey start talking about something interesting..." you get either silence or pandemonium.
@@nickwallette6201 nah, he mostly answered his own questions more extensive than the panel in a whole - and sometimes even deepdives. it often felt wrong to me as there was a such interesting and known gang. i got the impression that LGR was a bit pissed off aswell :D ... might be a wrong impression but hey, i found it bold to lead this dope meeting and put so much "own-mustard" on every damn topic. just my 2 cents. excuse my english - it's not my primary language.
I created a framework, put it in motion, and tried my best under pressure in a 90 minute window. Hopefully you enjoyed the other 70%. -Cheers, Steve
@@nickwallette6201 Thanks, Nick -Cheers, Steve
33:45 David :D
1:50 missed opportunity to say "I am the 8-Bit Guy, destroyer of 16-bit computers" lol
Ha!
Where can we see or get June's C128 game??
We'll try to find out and get back to you.
At VCF Midwest, and then also online soon after. Working out production deals now. :D
@@NybblesandBytes Thanks! Love C128 native software!!
Very, very interesting conversion. Thank you.
Leffler Forest
Wolf Shoals
Braulio Street
Goldner Road
We were talking about audio/music software becoming unusable over time. I posted this comment which applies to technology in general: "Obsolescence is one of the trade-offs we accept in order to progress."
Good that The 8 Bit guy has a sense of humour about his horrifying repair methods.
A paperclip of honour to you ;)
Adrian and Lovet should team up to save the System 34/36. This would be the ultimate troubleshooting episode.
That was fun to watch! Thx for posting.
Enjoyed watching that, thanks to everyone that helped make this happen. Keep up the fantastic work.
Heard a distinctive laugh before he showed up on screen and knew it was Adrian.
Nice video, I already follow a lot of them, I'm curious to look to those I didn't , it was nice to see them side by side and watch different or same perspectives of the topics . hope one day I can go to a VCF and see and talk live :D
All of these people are great, but I don't think that's ever reflected in these "TH-cam Panel" videos, as it feels like I'm just watching them sat around talking about being internet famous. I'd much rather see them individually talking about specific projects. I'm sure it's fun to meet people you watch regularly in person, but for me that doesn't translate into a great panel.
June brought an IBM AS/400 to VCFSW - which is one project that she is working on - although I don't know of concise content that she has posted about it.
If only there was some way you could single them out, and watch each of them only talk about their own stuff... Some sort of individualized video delivery service....
@@IBM_MuseumNothing... yet. Been learning the ropes. Soooon. :D
In a panel like this, the host's job is to ensure that each panelist gets roughly equal time. Everyone who watches this is probably already aware that Adrian repairs a lot of things and that LGR no longer does game reviews. How did we waste half an hour at the top talking about topics everyone already knows while 2/3 of the panel hardly got a word in?
My thought too.
Because viewers potentially don't know everyone on the panel (me) and enjoy listening to the people they do know anyway (also me).
G8 B8 M8
IKR It took 25 mins for Kate to speak outside the intro, and it wasn't even a question asked of her. Haha. While others at least got one
I'm glad she called it out at 35 mins
@@Mrmayhembsc Yeah, I think 2-3 people talked for almost the entire 25 minutes. I realize that some of these people are celebrities in our small circle of retro enthusiasts, and it's easy to get carried away, but I would have liked to hear more from the relative newcomers (I'm fully aware of the fact that none of them are actually new).
VCF was the Virus Computer Festival. The guys got sick after returning.
The host is dressed in pretty much the same outfit I wear to bed. Must have taken him a while to pick out his best white undershirt to be immortalized on TH-cam. Props to the Mac girl for being the best dressed person on the panel.
I both like and dislike Steve Diederichs mellow way of obscuring parts of the panel 😅
Jeff 😮👍your the best
3:12 - He was a guest when it was chronologically appropriate to your channel, now he is irrelevant. Seriously, i've known of Chronologically Gaming for an entire 2 minutes, and i know his shtick better than he does. These ARE just random misfits from all over the world, with cute animals and a computer in the background somewhere! What a fail.
The whole damn thing is a youtuber convention, what you talking about ‘the panel’
Many of those TH-cam scammers need to be banned and taken permanently offline from the retro world!
I like a bunch of these creators but when youtubers get together its always cringe
Didn't notice that.
this video has all the mistakes you usually try to avoid , the wide shot needs to be much tighter, the tighter shots are also too wide, the like at 57:09 no need to show an empty chair on the left. 1:09:00 why we see so much of the white board in the back, interestting panel of peoples but ruined by a very bad video shoot,
Ruined ? You did not watch for the content.
I'm not sure much was lost due to lack of cinematography... You could've had an equivalent experience for 99% of the material here, just listening to it as a podcast.
Having some background knowledge of how they recorded this... I can say that having edited three cameras, multiple mics, and other nuances together, and then getting it posted only days after the festival... some extra-mile, superb editing just is not going to happen. Sure, they can get it more polished-up, but you wouldn't be able to watch it till the Fall. :p -Cheers, Steve
I can see where AI is needed now. Its must be used to supplement the loss of personality over the decades.