HMCS Haida - The Last Tribal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Today we kick off coverage of what I saw in Canada with this look at HMCS Haida.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Is there a ship or ships you really like not because of how good their engineered or designed, not because of their service history but because you just like them for just looking good or a personal liking for no particular reason?
What would be the easiest way to improve the structural integrity and open ocean stability of the nurnberg and Koenigsberg class cruisers?
More destroyers please Could you feature HMS Laforey G99 there’s lots of material including film footage at IWM taken by its captain (inc it’s involvement with the loss of Ark Royal) additionally there’s a book by one of its survivors
If someone was to create a task force consisting of Texas (last WWI-era battleship), Haida (last Tribal), Mikasa (last predreadnought), Aurora (last protected cruiser), Salem (last heavy cruiser), Sackville (last corvette) and Georges Averoff (last armoured cruiser), what would be the most modern naval task force it would be able to take on?
During the Yangtze Incident HMS London and Black Swan tried to rescue HMS Amethyst, yet were driven off by Chinese field guns, but why was London driven off, i could understand a Frigate or a Destroyer being driven off by field gun, but i would have thought a cruiser's armour could at worst tank the hits long enough to help, esspessially against field guns so what am i missing?
7:40 RCN ships have the maple leaf to show they are friendly and Canadian. RAN ships have a Kangaroo on their funnels, to show that if you annoy them they will punch you in the face.
What applies to the Kangaroo (RAN) also applies to the rotund, long beaked flightless bird [Kiwi] (RNZN), and both will assist each other in the punching if needs be 🤜🤛
Which is funny, because the Tribals in the RCN had the reputation for being blood thirsty, so much so that British Squadron Commanders assigned Canadian Tribals would request their reassignment. Canadians may be polite and friendly, but when at war, you won't be hearing 'sorry', that's for sure.
😂😂😂😂👍🇦🇺🦘
They probably just said it under their breath in French...
This Canadian gives a big thumbs up for his Aussie and Kiwi cousins. F’n good on ya. We’re tips of the spear.
The code flags are CGJD which is the ships radio call sign. C for Canadian, G for destroyer and JD to refer to Haida specifically. The crew would fly CGJD while entering or leaving port to help identify the ship.
From 1943 to 1946 the call sign was CGDK.
My USN minesweeper radio call sign was NEWV.
in the eastgermany Navy we set our Number as a flagsignal for leaving or entering the port
I worked out the code letters but no idea what they were intended to indicate, thank you.
And the so-called "pride" flag? What is that for?
@@ElectroAtletico I noticed it as well. Ridiculous.
That engine room is immaculate, and a credit to the volunteers who look after it.
I last climbed her decks four decades ago when she was berthed athwart a pedestal-perched tribute to Bomber Command, and I appreciate the efforts of 'the Crew'. Shout-out the the Preservers who have cleaned, scraped and painted Haida. Respect
Thank you so much for this. My father, Richard Musgrave, served on HMAS Arunta, an Australian Tribal sister of HMCS Haida. He joined her as an electrician as she was being fitted up at Cockatoo Island in Sydney, served as a Leading Seaman in the commissioning torpedo party (so I loved your lingering attention on the torpedo tubes), and stayed with the Arunta til the end of the war, including the Battle of Surigao Strait, where Arunta, despite her meagre 4 tubes, lead a squadron of US destroyers on a torpedo run against the Japanese battleships. I vaguely remember Arunta sitting sadly in Sydney Harbour before she was lead off to the breakers in Japan (a fate she escaped by "mysteriously" scuttling herself under tow, sinking off the Australian coast before she could be dishonoured). Your view of Haida is a precious link for me back to my father's WWII experience.
Such love and dedication by the staff that maintains HMCS Haida. I think I have found a new lady to visit and I could spend a month walking her decks. Hell,. give me a bucket and a swab.
That engine room is imacculate, I think the trem "thank you for your service" certainly applies to this amazing lady.
The Engineer is a treasure as well as the ship.
Thanks for including Ms. Mathers. She's great.
As a child I had a model of HMS Cossack. It was a beautiful ship
Always glad to see a notification from you Drach, your work is some of the best on TH-cam. One day I hope to travel to Canada Land to visit this fantastic ship.
Can't wait till you visit the Kidd in Louisiana.
I didn't know Kidd was in LA. On my next trip to TX, I'll have to make a stop.
Galveston is not far from from LA, relatively. Texas may be parked in that area after her restoration. I saw her about 10 years ago and it was a treat.
@@cambellschunky704 she is in Baton Rouge, right on the river. She is one of the finest muesem ships on display.
@@admiraltiberius1989 The Kidd is now on dry land due to the river drying up unless that has changed.
@cambellschunky704 Make sure to visit the Galveston naval museum!
@@wyndo1492 I didn't know about that one either - it's going on the list for sure!
We need a video with more conversation with the wonderful stoker.
What an awesome video, her engine room,she is awesome, knows her stuff,God bless Mrs. Mathers.
Thanks for the great video; a fitting tribute to a key piece of Canada's naval heritage. In case you didn't get a chance to tour HMCS Star, the adjacent shore station, the ship's bell from HMS Ramillies (07) is preserved inside, complementing the Ram's 15-inch gun mounted outside the Imperial War Museum.
The signal flags mean “CGAD” or “affirmative, I request a pilot, expect a semaphore message ,keep clear of me/I cannot maneuver”. So it seems Haida is having a tough day.
I suspect either a volunteer threw up random flags because they looked pretty, or Britain during ww2 had its own unique flag messaging system differing from the international one :) usually on museum ships (and during port visits) they spell out the ships name.
Threw up some random flags because they look pretty. That volunteer wasn’t a descendant of flag officer Seymour were they perchance?
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It is the ships call sign
@@hughledger7835 that makes sense considering destroyers are often named after peoples full names, sometimes including middle initial. So the number of flags could get pretty ridiculous.
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298 All Canadian warships have a 4 letter call sign. AFAIK they all start with C.
Never mind the woke insanity flag flying besides them
Fascinating, informative tour of a wonderful ship. Terrific work Drach, thank you for everything you do for your outstanding channel.
Drach I'm really loving these extended history videos on specific ships, especially the ones that saw action!
I saw you came to visit us recently and see a lot of the fantastic museum ships over here in the States. I think the closest boat to me is the USS Cobia in Manitowoc; didn't exactly expect you to get up there lol. Anyway, great videos to listen to during my long work shifts; keep up the fantastic work!
I love your ship museum videos. It seems that you got some great help from the museum crew. I was reminded of when I took my kids to the HMAS Vampire Museum in Sydney. I served on her sister ship, Vendetta in 1977. Our tour guide was a beaut bloke but but in his tour he was getting a bunch of things wrong. I took him aside quietly gave him a few corrections as we walked along. He was so appreciative. The museum guys are heroes for keeping naval history alive. Mate, consider doing a trip to Sydney, unless, I missed a previous vid, because as well as Vampire, they also have the submarine HMAS Onslow, patrol boat HMAS Advance as well as a bunch of other stuff.
Great work and thanks.
Minor correction: The battle damage on the starboard side (that you mention at 6:10) did not occur in the Bay of Biscay action, when Leading Seaman Roy Betts and Able Seaman Gordon Rowe were killed.
It actually occurred April 26, 1944, in an encounter between four Tribals (HMCS Haida, Athabaskan, Huron, and HMS Ashanti) and three Elbing class ships (T-24, T-27, and T-29) in which T-29 was sunk. Supposedly, some of it was friendly fire, caused by cross fire as the Haida and Ashanti fired at the stricken T-29 from either side of the ship. Apparently some of these British bullets shot the heads off of Captain De Wolfe's golf clubs, much to his chagrin.
From: Barry Gough - HMCS Haida Battle Ensign Flying
It's excellent that the vessel has been preserved and more so since it was manufactured fairly early in WW2. Not many vessels from the initial shockwave of that cataclysm exist for obvious reasons.
In 2002 the Haida was moved across Lake Ontario from Her berth in Toronto to dry docking at Port Weller Dry Docks (PWDD) in St Catharines. I was one of the welders working at PWDD at that time. The yard's project was to install a water tight steel cladding below Her waterline. I found this to be odd as usually the old and rusty steel gets removed but hey, as I said, I'm the welder and who am I to question the experts.
I'm sure cost had bearing on it. They barely want to keep the thing from the scrap yard as is the cost of upkeep; let alone repair it 100% properly. It's not like the thing needs to be seaworthy anytime soon, just keep it afloat.
@@EdisonDiesel One of the things I have learned in life is that cutting corner usually comes back to bite you in the proverbial ass. I also found out that slapping unpainted steel on top of unpainted rusty steel rarely ends well if the goal is to keep the water out.
Heddle Marine was required to bring Her to dry dock in 2016 for repairs. Not sure why but I can only speculate what required the need under the waterline repairs. Keep in mind that all sea chests are blanked off.
Meh, I'm retired so it's not my circus and most definitely not my monkeys.
@@EdisonDiesel it is definately cheaper doubling the hull, rough shaping and easy welding, no need to worry about framing. Conservation methods and repair of steel hulls will get better cheaper and faster. Just waiting for a 3D printing hull technology on her old bones.
Welders kick ass
Just got done running beads of E7018 all day 🍻
The Tribals are beautiful ships. I'm glad Canada saved at one and saved a Flower Class Corvette too. Thanks Drach.
The way you talk about presentation is so true. I will never forget when I reported to the USS Iowa. She was in Norfolk and had a full combat load so she sat much lower in the water than I expected. I remember feeling disappointed thinking that she was a lot smaller than I imagined.
I lived on this ship in the late 80s for 2 weeks ,slept in hammocks just above the hatch for the main magazine, with the sea cadets from the UK brilliant times
Well done, Drach! I live about 30 miles from this great warship. We visit often. The Hamilton area also has a world class Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum with one of the last operational 4 engine Lancaster bombers!
CWHM is a Hamilton must see.
Great video! My Grandfather served on board the Haida during WWII
Thanks for featuring our Fightingest Ship. I been on board many times. Love your channel!
glad you used World of Warhsips. I have Haida and Huron.
Going to see her this summer - can't wait. I have to go to a wedding so I figure I may as well get some enjoyment out of the trip...
Thanks for this video, I was planned to visit HMCS Haida in 2021 as part of a US/ Canada tour (USAF/ USN and RCAF/ RCN) museums, but a certain virus cancelled all plans. Will definately have to start re-planning and saving up for the trip again. Many thanks for showing me what I missed and re-igniting my plans for the trip!
Grandfather served on HMCS Sioux. Playing this ship on world of warships in his memory.
Didn’t expect to see her on this channel so soon-thought you would cover all the American stuff first.
I did eventually get to go on her around a week after I ran into you there, along with some other family members (only my younger brother, who also watches this channel, has much knowledge of naval or military history matters). It was remarked by other family members that going into and out of the engine room would require some of them to go on a diet. Sadly the 4” twin mounts were closed to visitors at that point.
As a youth in Toronto, I visited the Haida many times.
Do they still fire the cannon since its been in Hamilton? I remember them firing them when it was at Ontario Place.
Been on Haida. First thing you notice is how thinly built this ship was made.It's tiny too, thought of huge waves hitting this ship is frightening.
Yeah that engine room looks to be in pretty good shape.
Saw her this summer going back again well worth the trip great video also go to Hamilton 20 min away to see a Lancaster Cheers
Just saw her today and was wondering if you'd talked about her, thanks for the video!
I used to go aboard the Haida during the CNE airshow... Pilots used her as an aiming mark and they turned over her, great view! I was sad when they moved her but I have taken my son aboard her since!
A friend of mines dad served on the Haida during WW2, his name was Ben Kingsley.
can we get 3 cheers for dedicated volunteers like mrs mathers who make museum ships possible? hip, hip, hooray! hip, hip hooray! hip, hip huzzah
A wonderful visit to my favorite destroyer class. Thank you!
I lost track how many times ive now visited her in Hamilton, I love the history and she's our baby. you can feel it when you walk around the corridors and see that soundroom. chills.
EDIT: if you play World of Warship there is a secret hidden QR code inside the ship for 10% off he purchase of Haida in the PC version.
Glad you covered the old girl, thanks.
Haida used to be at Ontario Place in Toronto, where I visited her some 50 years ago. Strangely, I was near a guy whose dad served on a Canadian Tribal. The thing was, there was also a static mounted Lancaster and a Spitfire in that park.
It's a great ship to visit, great ship to visit.
As far as I know the static mounted Lancaster is now in BC being restored with the intent of airworthiness.
It's been many years since I've been on Haida but it seems I should make another visit. Back in her early days in Hamilton the engineering spaces were completely off limits and I was left underwhelmed by how little of the ship you were permitted to see back then. I don't live there anymore, but I also don't have to cross the Atlantic, so no excuses lol
That ship has beautiful lines.
I am near Haida just across the boarder in Michigan, I was planing to visit her when COVID hit and have yet to set aside time for a visit since the boarder reopened. We have a Forest Sherman class destroyer and an LST on opposite sides of the state.
Yaaaaaaay! A angry Canadian ship at last!
Beautiful smol ship
First ship I boarded as a child! What a thrill!
Hmm, I should visit Haida, I live less than an hour away. Yeah, another day.. Hard to find time.. Oh, Drach is going to be there? ZOOM! That was a good day. The engine room was a particular delight.
The Haida had a long history as a naval power on the west coast they would use their war canoes to raid as far away as California. They also captured over a dozen western ships.
My father served on HMS Nubian from 1938 till her stern was blown off at the Crete evacuation in 1941. Sadly he lost a lot of shipmates that day. ❤
Douglas Reeman waxed eloquent about the Tribal Class ships. I wondered what they looked like.
He also wrote the Napolenic/Age of Sail novel series about Richard Bolitho, under the pen name of Alexander Kent.
Raising a mug to the Mathers. Awesome
BTW, That 3 inch-50 radar laid anti aircraft gun was specifically developed to counter Japanese Kamikazes so they are technically WWII weapons even if they were installed on the Canadian Tribals post war.
Toured this boat 3x's when at Ontario Place..
Thank you.
Drach @ 1:47 you need to open your container. It has premium time in it. I can feel it.
It's the inverse TARDIS effect. All the big grey canoes, even frigates, look enormous as you approach them. But get inside and they're tiny!
Sorry to have missed you... I have a great picture to bring to Stoker Matthers
I hope you got the chance to get down to Port Burwell to tour the HMCS Ojibwa. One of two Oberon class submarines that were converted to museums. The other is in Rimouski I think
I still remember the dual model kit of HMS Ark Royal and HMS Ashanti I bought as a school boy in the 70s. That was my introduction to Tribals. None of the RN Tribals survived the 40s.
Great video, thanks Drach!
Aww I wish I knew you were there I would have come and met you
So Drach has a vacation destination for summer this year, HMCS Haida's engine room :)
ORP Błyskawica: "At last, my sister from another mother has gotten her own bio reel!"
27:27 CGJD or Answer is: YES or Ship is without a course, Ship is without a pilot, Ship is an extreme hazard KEEP CLEAR, Ship maneuvering is haphazard stay clear. JD is the ships specific radio callsign: combined C=Canadian, G=Destroyer, JD=Haida (specifically) Apparently CGJD =Haida's radio callsign.
If you are in Hamilton you must visit the warbird museum!
As someone who lives in the Us, but very near Canada, saying that being Canadian and being friendly are synonymous, is one of the most real things I've ever heard, lol.
C - Canada
G - (Good
J - job
D - dude? :p )
I had to look it up for the meaning in the end. I won't spoil it here but i did get Canada right at least.
Cool - Good - Job - Drach !!! that must be the real meaning ;)
At 6:00 we hear the words, "... the harbour that she's moored in..."
It looks like your guide was from Hamilton. Because Haida is in one of those bodies of water whose name depends upon which side you come from. Sort of like the Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf. But in this case, people in Hamilton call it Hamilton Harbour, and people on the other side in Burlington call it Burlington Bay.
The government came up with some sort of official compromise, which is rejected with scorn by natives of both sides.
Good camera work.
You captured the 'scale'.
I low key thought the crest had a Canada Goose 😂😂
RMS Titanic's RPM full speed was 76rpm on the reciprocating engines and 165rpm on the low pressure turbine at 21-22kts compared to 210rpm on HMCS Haida. Interesting thoughts on propeller design and size.
Isn't that Squid magazine rather thinly-protected? Was there any rule of thumb re armouring of magazine? The main gun magazines are usually in the bowels of the ship.
Your problem with being in an engine room with an engineer, would be same I'd have as a Retired U.S.Navy GTE I could most definitely spend all day just listening to her. Thnx
I see Haida has quite the boo-boo on her bow just above the level of the water marks. Must be a good story to go with that like mark of character. High-speed docking no doubt.
Mrs Mathers needs to start training her replacement yesterday. She ain't gonna be there forever.
15:40 is the fuze setting tray.
She would pitch like crazy in a headsea.
Go from fourth largest navy to two row boats and an inner tube.
Toured her as a boy docked at the summer play ground *Ontario Place* Toronto.
Where do the voice pipes on the sides of the gun tureets go?
So let me get this straight, most navies get rid of latis masts for pole masts....the Canadian navy, hold my beer... In all seriousness, I spend a ton of time aboard the Haida.
How do you destroy half a train? Awesome story I’ll have to put this on my list of ships to visit!
Oddly that ensign appears to have the 1707 union jack on it therefore leaving out ireland
Our MarTECs today could learn a lot from a proper stoker like her! The technology may have changed but the standards shouldn't. Impressive.
There are a few left who know steam...at least a dirty submariner, and a surface dude on the west coast. Mind, the west coast heating plant could staff a full watch, from chief to inside rounds... A bunch of us ex PRO.
The Squid has been my demise several times in GMT's solitare board game The Hunted. You run a German U Boat later war period.
Well, I can't agree with Haida being last surviving British destroyer, at least british-build. There's also the 'Błyskawica' (Lightning) kept in Gdynia. Of course, it was made to the Polish specifications, but still I would say that she's VERY British 😉
She's a beauty of a ship 👍
That was a ice saw in case you weren't aware
Drach the Signal is the ships call sign
HMS Cossack? I know the Empire was huge but????
I don't know what you were doing with the camera Drach but I was getting issues turn the camera and it just made me dizzy. I never had that happen before.
My favourite world of warships.
That would have totally sucked ass to be a watch stander on that bridge.
Did you manage to visit HMCS Sackville in Halifax....😊
great video
Canada's greatest warship.