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- What is this mystery bit of Sony equipment?
It's probably not what you think...
A look at an obscure bit of niche industry gear.
Actual teardown starts at 10:00
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This brings back memories for me. In the 90's I worked at Boeing Rocketdyne on the electric power system (EPS) for the International Space Station. My job was to design some of the automated test systems for the various electronic boxes in the EPS. But Rocketdyne was a rocket engine company, and the powers-that-be didn't really know what to make of all this electronic stuff, so they decided they would test it all like they tested rocket engines. That meant they wanted paper strip charts that recorded every test from beginning to end. Of course that was silly. For example, you couldn't record the output noise or transient response of a power supply with a strip chart because it doesn't have the BW. So then they thought we should use the more modern stuff: reel-to-reel FM tape recorders. I don't remember what their BW was, but it was still way too low, and each recorder was a full-height 19" rack by itself that started at about $100k. I finally talked them into using digital cassette recorders, similar to this one. It was still a joke, but it saved millions of dollars (they needed a lot of them) and took up a lot less floor space. Somewhere there is a room full of these tapes that nobody ever looked at. Your tax dollars at work!
Great story!
I've looked into the ISS power system in detail at some point and it's pretty fascinating in terms of how various challenges specific to space and vacuum were addressed. (The ISS uses ~160VDC from solar panels converted to ~120VDC for general distribution (US side). Russian side uses 28VDC.) To quote one space-specific issue: "The possibility of the 160-Volt [solar] array current arcing to the ambient space plasma is precluded by means of the plasma contactor. This device is mounted on the exterior truss structure, and operates by creating a plume of ionized xenon gas constituents, which acts as a low-impedance, conductive bridge between the Station and plasma environment. This protects the arrays and other conductive surfaces from arcing, pitting, and erosion by ion bombardment." A unique problem to have and to solve. Another amusing thing that stood out to me is the existence of the ARCU/RACU modules (American to Russian Conversion Unit / Russian to American Conversion Unit) to convert power between the respective countries' systems. I wonder what the efficiency of all those DC/DC converters was when they were built and what the topology was. Yet another unique aspect of the EPS is the ammonia-based radiative cooling method employed (PVTCS etc). Thanks for your story!
Speaking of DC/DC converters, Sony rolled many of their own canned units like the one in the video which can be found in most of their professional products. They came in all kinds of sizes and configurations. I'm a big fan of their engineering from that era. But.. modern Sony is nothing like that..
I remember when the ARCU/RACU first arrived in SPEL (Space Power Electronics Lab) in Canoga Park. It was in an old broken-down wooden crate that looked like it had been used for years, fallen apart several times, and crudely hammered back together.
But that's not the funniest thing that I saw in SPEL. And the circuit designs for many of the ORUs (Orbital Replaceable Units) were absolutely awful. Particularly the RPCM units. I could write a whole book full of stories you wouldn't believe.
That sounds very funny indeed! Do you know the reason for the battered condition of the crate? Too much back and forth transit? I'm not too surprised about the circuit design.. a lot of military/space designs were/are limited by availability of suitable parts and various red tape surrounding their use (from what I hear at least). Parts are sometimes chosen based on availability of diagnostic signals, which further limits selection. I've frequently seen extremely "weird" circuit designs which.. I assume.. were chosen for specific reasons. This differs quite a bit from commercial electronics, the vast majority of which uses designs straight from datasheets. I've heard of the failures of RPCMs before.. do you know how they worked by chance? Or rather, what the actual switching devices were? From what I've read, parallelled MOSFETs and IGBTs were considered, so if MOSFETs were chosen, maybe it was a part quality issue (localized hot spots leading to destruction etc?). MOSFETs sure are picky about their safe operating regions. ;) They would've needed to switch something like 20kW I believe? These days on the small scale, there are fantastic parts like AUIR3320S and others which offer instant (microsecond) short circuit shutdown and easy reset. I use them everywhere in my designs, and they've saved me and my clients countless times now. I just don't worry about overcurrent/short circuit issues anymore as long as product cost can accomodate such safety devices. If you wrote that book, I would absolutely buy it by the way, as would many others I'm sure.. at least in this community! :) -Nick
I know everything about the RPCMs, or at least I used to. I designed the test system for the RPCMs, and whenever one of them didn't pass (which was often) the RPCM designers would just say it was a test equipment bug, and then I had to solve the problem. And if memory serves, it always turned out to be the RPCM, not the tester.
There were 5 types of RPCM that varied in the number of outputs and the current rating per output. Type 4 was single-output and used a contactor (which is similar to a relay). The other types all had multiple outputs ranging from 3.5A to 25A per channel. They used custom N-channel MOSFETs as high-side switches for the 120VDC. If the output got shorted, the MOSFET would briefly limit the current and then shut off.
The poor design was not due to lack of parts, it was entirely due to lack of competence. The guy who designed the controller hybrid for the RPCMs was easily the worst engineer I've ever seen, and a border-line psycho to boot. For example, the first time I tested an early prototype it instantly went unstable and blew a hole in the metal case of the custom MOSFET. I figured out exactly what the problem was (it's too much to describe here) and made a change that fixed it. Then there was a meeting where I presented my findings. The psycho leaped out of his chair, pointed his finger at me, and screamed "YOU"RE A LIAR", and then he stormed out leaving everyone in the room agog. He went straight to the director (who was also a real idiot) and fed him some story about me being out to get him or something. The next thing I knew 1) I was banned from the building, and 2) all of our expensive custom-made electronic loads (one of which I had used) would get a very special design change to intended hide the instability problem in the RPCM. Years later they were finally forced to put in the simple change that I had done on that first day of testing. And this sad and horrifying tale is just one of many.
Hi Dave, thank you for the reference to our website. I used to work for the UK distributor for Sony Precision back in the day prior to DAQLOG, until Sony pulled out of the Data Recorder market in 2009. For those interested, the last list price going back to 2000 for the PC216AX was £14K. Its successor the SIR-1000i was £26K back in 2009. You can still find these models on eBay for next to nothing, but media is the problem. A 16ch expansion unit was available too. Have a good day. Leigh
All those data inputs reminds me of the medical monitoring we did back in the early 70's. We had lots of inputs going into the computer (16 channels), and used an analog 1 inch recorder to archive the inputs. In medical stuff not much is over 1kHz, so it worked out OK. We monitored such things as EKG, EEG (brain waves) and various other things, including the pulse after a blood pressure cuff to figure out blood pressure. You needed good instrumentation to get things that went down to DC at times. In a recent trip to the hospital, all of this monitoring is now "routine" and you get nice displays bedside. Trust me, it wasn't that way in the 70's, when strip charts were VERY common. Yes, the computer was about 6 refrigerator size cabinets, and I suspect that a PC-AT was more powerful that it was.
that ground bounce pun LOL
They put that kind of quality into everything back then. I remember fixing my friends 4 track and being blown away at the engineering that went into it
My dad worked for the Snowy until they shut down in 1983. He was a civil engineer, worked on spillways and aquaeductus etc. His lab used the old analogue equivalent to this sort of stuff.
Another great video thanks Dave. We used several of the related AIT (SIR-1000)instrumentation recorders to precisely record electrical parameters of high voltage (25kV) systems for railways. We passed the data to a PhD who carried out Fourier analysis of the recorded voltage and current data. He loved the data we passed to him because the sample rates were so precise and the FIR low pass filter introduced no significant phase shift in the audio frequency band (and beyond with the wideband model). They would run nicely on a car battery too, so with two Pelicases we had a fully portable weather resistant system for line side.
Really looked like a terrestrial TV distributor for a hotel or something in the beginning, but next shot and that thing is massive!
That was my guess--a distribution amplifier or crosspoint switch for video.
Gotta love Sony's Broadcast and Professional Products division (many older divisions are rolled into that). Always tons of truly weird but incredibly good stuff. Less so these days as despite the price tags they lost a lot of money. They still make a ton of great gear for pro video which I use and also for medical. Very good at taking a mass market target product, rip it apart, up-spec for professional use and adding a zero or two to the price tag. Oh and the AK5327-VP is a more or less standard HQ 18/16 bit stereo audio ADC and available today on eBay. Very nice vid Dave
I love seeing this kind of 90's pro Sony gear, takes me back to my old job. I recognised the NP-1 battery pack straight away, a lot of Sony pro video gear used them.
I used to work for a motor and drive manufacturer called Motion Control Group (MCG), back before they got bought by (and absorbed into) Ametek. We had an acoustic analyzer setup that used a variety of transducers and sensors to record motor characteristics, but we didn't use a device liek this. What we had was directly connected to a PC. It's interesting to see something like this that could easily be used as a stand alone device, and even be used portably! Pretty sweet bit of kit!
File under "never heard of such a thing before but I'm glad I have now". Nice no-nonsense piece of serious electronics.
Asahi Kasei = Ah-sah-hee Kah-say. Their DACs/ADCs are extremely common in modern pro audio gear. Easy to use, good documentation, good quality stuff.
I was somewhat taken aback too, by Dave's... temporary(?) inability to read, or whatever that was. "Asashi Kasai"? "Ashai Kasai"? Come oooon :P
Or is it just a common / normal disability of native English speakers, to read anything that's in another language?
Khron's Cave There's nothing common or normal about our Dave, ya know
Be that as it may, but i've heard plenty of 'murricans, canucks & brits just mutilate several none-too-"arcane" foreign names and terms. Hell, even a few words in their own (at least theoretically) native language :P
Khron's Cave If you spoke Japanese, you might not imagine that the mispronounciation of foreign terms was a distinctive characteristic of native English speakers.
I work for a big audio company; we do pro, consumer, and automotive. We use a lot of their ADC/DAC parts in all of the above. They're usually marked "AKM" for Asahi Kasei Microdevices.
The battery eliminator looks to be the same shape as their NP-1 type batteries, as used on the Sony SL-F1/SL-2000 portable Betamax recorder kit, must have kept that battery design going for a long time it seems!!
Some odd pro stuff still uses NP1 batteries, although never NiCd. Quite a few Li-ion and NiMH chargers around
Definitely a np-1I still have a charger and some gear that uses them
NP series was prolific amongst Sony gear. Video cameras etc.
Asahi Kasei converters. They're in so many things even today. Not those exact ones, but...
Those black and silver "spokes" on the supply and take-up reel are only to detect movement/speed to stop it in case one of the reels is not moving which may cause damage to the tape, they are not used to detect position, the position of the tape is recorded on the tape itself.
Back in the early 90s it seems a couple of Australian recording engineers used these in 2x mode to record multi-track DATs for field TV work. I've got the PC204 (4ch) version of this and recently recovered some old audio recordings. Seems like it'd have been an expensive way to get 4ch, but I assume because it was light weight, used standard DAT media, standard batteries and all the I/O was neat? Along with a "Sound Quality Conditioning Amplifier" (apparently the Aussies engineered their own solution) it was said to be exceptional in stability / audio quality / and "not bad" with battery. The DAT tapes certainly confused some audio engineers before they landed with me!! I got the PC breakout box with mine (which interestingly has rubber suckers on the bottom?!) but I managed to wrangle the signals from the BNC's on the side. The 4ch model has all the I/O neatly spaced on one side of the unit rather than on the front. Great to see inside mate! Might open mine up for a gander one day and give it a cheeky probe :-o
The "AK" line of dacs is HUGELY popular for audio DAC's. probably the most common these days.
I was gonna guess CCTV video distribution hack-a-majigger
funkyzero - Multiplexer? 🤔
I thought it was a multiplexer too :)
9:23 did i miss him entering the date? because it is showing the date of the day before this was uplaoded... amazing that it kept the Real time clock inside running for so long and laso got over 2000
Yer, no pick & place machines back in those good old days. The problem is to replace a component that has been glued to the board with that heat resistant glue.
Excellent as usual. :-) I see your subscriber count is moving upward a little faster than the normal rate. That's great to see.
Actually the rate is basically flat. Still averages about 250 new subs a day
EEVblog Seemed like you were picking up more than the usual. I average around 200/day.
Not according to the rolling 7 day average graph
Not sure why you videos are half way down my page, I am subscribed but never see your latest videos. That equipment I remember form way back, they had some awesome audio gear as well for field work, very very expensive commercial stuff only the big broadcast stations could afford.
I'm always amaze by Sony engineering, those engineer were great, and kinda still is
i really love the idea of using the battery compartment for a power supply! @ 5:53
Those things were fantastic. We used a previous generation with tape reels, huge beasts.
My college uses a set of Sony Precision Technology DROs (Digital Read Out) on an old lathe, wonder what other kind of gear did they make
The lathe at my boss's machine shop also has a Sony DRO.
Nice-I wish someone would make a video about getting voltages down on a power transformer. I have ask people if you can put a dropping resistor on your output tubes as you do on your drivers and usually I get a no with no explanation or no response at all. I think most beginners would like to know. Another question I have heard beginners ask is-What determines what size electrolytics are used, not just the fact that it is on a certain schematic.Thank you for any help.
yeah, the first thing I was thinking of was a strip chart recorder, something I had used in a former life....similar task, other than it printed data on a large sheet of thermal paper.
Cool bit of kit, never knew they made/make something like this. Smarter every day :)
Nice!
No, that's another channel.
Ben Wizards was about to comment that
Should I add a Psalm quote at the end?
What a surprise ! didn't know he is Christian.
Yeah, and he's done a video explaining why his is a christian, and it's quite well articulated, but still doesn't address the issue that it's really because that's what he was raised to believe, as is the case with most religious people sadly. It's not like he evaluated all the religions and made a choice based on merit or evidence or some such.
At time mark 12:50/28:09 the black and silver bars are for "Event Failure Detection" , are the DAT spindles turning when they should be turning???. At time mark 13:29/28:09 The load , tape transport and the flying headsX4 .
Pro-Logic Thank You so very much for that video
I wonder if you could use this machine to either play back DAT tapes or record your own. Like set it for two channels and then connect left and right audio channels to a stereo.
with the spec of '2 channel audio at 20khz' im almost certain that it would work just fine
If I had one of these units I would just use it as a standard DAT tape player. I hope Dave tries to record audio on this unit.
Always been interested in instrumental recorders since I used the Ampex FR600 at a NASA satellite ground station to record satellite telemetry. It used analog IRIG tones on 1 inch tape. Then went on to work on Nagra SJ portable recorders. I'll put pics on the forum.
Damn, was the AC adapter an after thought? Why else would you not route the earth internally instead of a external wire?
The external wire is obviously a bodge put on by the previous user
So, it would not be needed because earth its connected internally anyway?
I guess the previous owner probably didn't have a grounded power outlet. Just used the botch as a workaround.
No, I believe it's essentially not grounded by default. It's there to provide system grounding flexibility
We had one of the PC208 8 channel models at university in the late 90's - at least 2 lab techs had to look over your work before you were allowed to plug anything into it!
Just picked one up on ebay for £50!
Hope it's working OK for you, but if not, ask on the EEVblog forum. I have a fair amount of experience servicing and repairing DAT equipment from this era, and parts are surprisingly widely available if you know where to look. The mechanism in the video looks like the one from an early model SDT-7200 DDS drive.
Thanks, Andy. I have a couple of SDT-7200 scsi units in the loft! Will be having a play at the weekend. Many thanks for the tip.
Dave! Center click instead of right-click, new tab! Save a few steps!
Kind of a unique serial number on the DC-DC convertor. 104325
or re-order as: 012345. Every digit is unique.
huh.
- Eddy
AKM makes banging audio DACs! Fantastic.
We have similar piece of kit on the entrance showcase of the laboratory that I work. We stop use them close to 2004 we switch to direct computer sampling devices. but anyway quite good acquisition devices.
We bought one about 5 years ago for 10k.. they still rent these suckers today!
I'm sure my old company still uses them
Beautiful piece of equipment! Please find a tape and show it in operation!
It's in the lab somewhere....
EEVblog You'll probably find it as soon as you order a "new" one :-)
Its a pixies choocher device, common on most Canadian oil rigs
Hi! Could you make another 100$ multimeter top 10? Or maybe you could make one yourself with UEi? The one that is around the 250$ price point is a bit too expensive for beginners (although I would love to have one, It's not that easy to afford it). Anyway I love your videos and they just show the amount of knowledge you've got about electronics. Have a nice day and continue the great work!
This is really cool. To imagine there was a time when you needed to lower your channel count to get 20 kilohertz! Definitely no Sony 3348. It's sad how little Sony has put out over the past decade that's worthwhile
I"m also in the seismic research industry. Used a lot of data loggers but never played with this one. Neat bit of kit.
Which ones did you use?
EEVblog mostly digitizers from reftek and quanterra we still use those but are now moving to newer companies like nanometrics and evaluating the kelunji gecko line of seismographs.
thought this was going to be some kind of vintage hi-fi amplifier or something like that with all those connectors on the back.
According to the label that thing was rented about 20 minutes from my house... small world
From the looks of the components, I am guessing less than $2000, especially since those companies love their markups.
Asahi Pentax cameras. Back in the 70's. :)
Am I the only one who find this battery pack shaped ac adapter a brilliant idea? Although it looks like an afterthought because of the ground wire …
Surely you must have been playing with recording audio on it, in 2 channel mode. How did that sound?
26:05 What?! 128 channels?! Wow!
Asahi own Pentax, I think, or did.
1:00 years of experience in low frequency audio 😂😂
Reminds me of my old days in the RAN
Sony sure made some awesome and exceptional gear in specialist field from radio receivers, broadcast to tape-based media recorders. Kind of sad they didn't keep the ball rolling.
peteb2 - they still make the best wireless mics, broadcast switchers that can be beat on 24/365
PapaWheelie can’t agree with you on the wireless mic range but if you have a need for a manually operated broadcast studio setup then yep, their vision switchers are absolute “beasts”...
peteb2 - what do you like for wireless mics?
I have a half dozen Sony WRT packs that get about 12hrs a day use every day and only have to replace the lav cables that get worn out. They also seem to run fine on cheap rechargeable nicad batteries
A change of ENG cameras to benefit from a file based workflow a decade ago meant the WRTs we'd been using in our 30+ Sony SX tape based camcorders couldn't plug into the new camera Uni-slot Standard. We had to buy 40 external cases to mount the receivers that then using the sony v-lock battery standard and mod everyone for output to camera.... Then our crews found their rigs just too unbalanced and were having OSH issues so we invested in 40 odd Sennheiser kits so the receiver mounted into the camera body. Almost all WRT TX units were wornout from constant button pushing, powering up and channel changes anyway. We'd a mix of SK 5212 series for 5 or so years which only ever played up if body screws became loose. Then our Govt. declared new channels for wireless mics. Thousands of kits across the country had to be dumpedby anyone using wireless mics... We went with 40 odd new WisyCom two TX and a RX kits as the connects (Lemo) were he same as the defunct Sennheiser i/o spares.... The best thing the camops team like with WisyCom is the IR program-ability for infinite user channel sets, dual receivers for 2 TXrs, a receiver scan function and 'spec-an' OLED display, really simple interactive operation for the user, the status of battery charge for the TXs in the RX display... and the option to go to 100uW RF output on the TX for a huge range (but it does eat rechargeables then)... They were far less cost than Sony's latest Digital system, which would have been awesome but yuh gotta work with what yuh can afford...
peteb2 -awesome info I will definitely look at Wisycom. I’m in the market for a intercom system, have to get off the upper VHF too. I’m nervous about going to 2.4ghz, hoping there are better options
I was doing similar stuff in the mid 90s (94-95?) Yes, we used "cheap" ($700US) digital cards in PCs. Windows (3.11) sucked massively, and NT was too expensive, so I was tasked with writing a Linux driver for the 12bit 16(?) channel ISA cards. 250khz if I remember correctly. I still have one of those cards somewhere; years later, someone needed a bug fixed, and they were using too many to do I what I did (bodgewire... connect the FIFO 50% full signal to an interrupt) But yeah, PCs weren't that portable or rugged. Today, a $30 arduino is the go-to tool.
jfbeam You'ld need some of the higher spec chips to sample at 250ksps, even single channel. And then you need to process it too. Better chance with a Beaglebone (Texas chip, ARM core).
Can it play pre-recorded music cassettes at 1.875 IPS?
But can it record guitar and vocals?:))))
Why does it have to go down in resolution when there are 32 ADCs? Too bad. Maybe it had to do with the tape.
The tape drive in this machine was designed to do audio at up to 2x normal speed, so that's the maximum tape speed it can manage. It's an almost identical mechanism to the one in the PCM-7040 studio DAT recorder, and any of a number of DDS drives from the time.
Costed an arm and a leg :-)
I wonder if you could convert this to a 32 channel music mixer and mix music with it?
Well, according to the specs it has 2.5 kHz bandwidth at 32 channels, so unless you're aiming for that bass-thumping-of-loud-music-from-the-room-next-you-sound it's no good.
UH SORRY but its dc which is 0 hz. human hearing goes 20hz to 20khz. this goes dc "i.e. 0 hz to 2.5khz"so you would be only losing 18.5 khz. of the high's. you were thinking 1,000's of hz off saying you could only get bass. have a great day :-)
Ken Hanock yeah bass sound goes to 256 Hz so even if you could just sample to 2.5 kHz that's still a pretty good range for a lot og instruments but obviously not perfect.
Oh and in my latest project at my university we actually built a DSP and CPU on a FPGA and our first digital filter was a bass-filter for music and "bass-thumping-of-loud-music-from-the-room-next-to-you-sound" is just a perfect description of how it sounds!
well the range of the channel's are dc which is zero to 2500hz. so a little upper mid range. but losing 18kh on the top end. i guess if you knew the db dropoff after 2.5kz it wouldnt be too bad. i mean yea you wouldnt get the i.e. tape hiss but that's analog and the digital killed hiss.. so the major factor would be the db drop off. after the spec top khz. thx 4 tha reply hope u have a great day ;-)
Well what if the limited bandwidth at 32 channels has something to do with the sampling rate? That would result in undersamling of anything above 2500 Hz which is worse than slight attenuation beyond the 2500 Hz.
I hope you have a good day as well!
Ground bounce.... lol
So it's basically a precision 16x16 audio card? :D
Neat vid, thanks!
Would those damaged BNCs be accidental, or sabotaged because they might be out of spec?
pretty sure accidental. Looks like it fell on something there.
According to this site en.leasametric.com/advanced-search/8/214/479/sony-pc216ax?page=1 a new one is 21000 Euro, around 32000 Aussie bucks. lots of sites have them available to hire, around 35 bucks a day but none advertise the retail price to buy them.
hi can i use it to record music from a dac? Thank you
I love Head!
You probably said it but about what years was this in use approximately? Late 90’s?
I am not sure, but i would guess mid 90's.
Edit: actually 3:28, 1995 and the years after that apperently(check bottom left)
13:40 No, It's a stick
0:27 BNC wow
Did I catch another 'Australianism'?
At 9:53 "you're out in the field and you're doing hours worth of measurements... ' you can come a gutter' " (?)
David Perkins He said you can come a gutser, meaning fall flat on your face, or fail.
Ha! It uses DAT as the recording medium. Credit Sony for finding ways to salvage their capital investment in DAT. I think they're still using them for computer backup.
How much do the modern ones go for?
13:40 it's a sony indeed
From Twitter - I was right about the inputs being for external sensors...what do I win? :D
You win The Internet!
Can it play “Mike & The Mechanics”?
How do they get signal out the head when it spins? The wires will tangle up!
slip rings
Slip ring?
Peter Mulholland Is that like brushes in a motor or spring wipers in a rotary switch? Is that normal in VCR heads etc? I had wondered if they use concentric windings like a circular transformer or some non contact method.
Spring wipers I believe.
However I'm not very familiar with VCR stuff it's just a wild guess.
Man, I had a home studio in the mid 90's, I would of given an arm and a leg for a DAT Recorder(MIC/Instrument input is a little different, but still) .... I love using today's tech by leaps and bounds. I hear all these people talking about how much better analog was, but it was MISERABLE, unless you had $1000's. Now for less than $1000 you can have a pretty good home studio to start to just build it up. A computer, audio interface, MIC/instrument, and headphones, you are good to go...then you can invest in the better DAW( VST's), Studio Monitors and just build it up... Radio quality in no time...
By the mid 90s a good Sony DAT recorder cost maybe $500, probably less.. I had one, everyone with a home studio had one.. are you confusing the 90s with the 80s?
Nope just a mid 20's kid that was broke. I remember saving for weeks just to get a USED Tascam 4 track Portastudio, after buying a few cheap Mic's and a used mixer. So $500 would of taken a year of saving. Then again, maybe MID was wrong, this was around 93'-94' I was 22-23..
security camera system
Don't turn it on. Take it apart.
Good to see some more interesting content, after that crystal cutting...
Old Sony were a fabulous company. Shame they got out of all the niche areas.
if it slept 1/3 of its life, she's as old as me!
Beautiful as hell but typical Sony. Once you have sony device in your room, it sucks all the dust possible
Mailbag ?
What's a Shazzee
At 9:17, "S-TIME" 18Y
Eighteen years?!
That's the current date 2018/05/29
it's the date, I think
That makes sense
Hi
“Spiny spiny”
I Have some brand new in wrapper DAT tapes, i can send you one if you wish.
DAT BOI!!!
yep its a sony
Dave is so lazy sometimes. Mike would have destructively taken it apart, because there's little added value in keeping these old things to yourself, unless you're running a museum
Built like a brick dunny
Does it run minecraft can your play crysis on it. Water cool it and over clock it to 1.6 million kilohertz!
That is so much better than porn!
But can it play crysis and my DAT ?
CCTV