NUFC Formed in 1881 NOT 1892: Club Historian Reveals The TRUTH!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- The story of Newcastle United’s history is like most others, a complex one.
This video has been put together after reading the historical research of Paul Joannou, the clubs official historian and speaking to him on the phone about the subject. He originally broke this story to David Morton of the Evening Chronicle in June 2021. It is also inspired by an article by Paul Brown. From there I have conducted my own historical research and put together this video.
We need to protect our history from being rewritten and then swept away by popular culture.
Paul Joannou was raised in Denton Burn, Newcastle and now lives in Edinburgh. He is currently writing a book on the history of the Newcastle West End football club, which is due for release in November 23’.
He has agreed to appear in my video to help explain the history of this club. Don’t forget to subscribe, so you don’t miss out on this exciting video!
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It's no surprise the old board of directors didn't want to celebrate the real centenary of the club. They were probably unaware of the date of the club's formation and only concerned about holding on to power regardless of the mutual apathy between the club and supporters at the time.
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1875 Birmingham City fc were formed as Small Heath Alliance and changed to Birmingham City in 1905, the blues are recognised as formed in 1875 not 1905. They were the team of the peaky blinders when they were Small Heath Alliance
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This is the perfect example of what sets you apart from the rest of the NUFC content makers Eddy mate. Ps cheers for the heads up 😉
Cheers Scott 🙏
Interesting stuff, cheers Eddy
Excellent Eddie really enjoyed this piece.
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Great history video eddie thanks for sharing. Stay safe 👍
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1881 it is then! great video as always Eddie.
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Tremendous vid Eddie love the history 1881 it is:)
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Thanks for the history buffs, I enjoy and this sort of content is how your channel separates from the rest of the geordie fc content :)
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I second that. NUFC is a big part of Tyneside life. But only one part! I much enjoy Eddie branching out.
@@christopherwright8811 appreciated Christopher. I’ve done history videos from the start two years ago but haven’t done much in recent months 👍🏻
Great work Eddie!❤
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Hi Eddie love your videos about football and local history can’t get enough of them. I’m was from London but moved up here 3,1/2 years ago. Ps I’m a gonner. Looking forward to the next one
Cheers Christopher 👊🏻🙏
Good work eddie👍
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Great vid eddy I like the history of newcastle United Are you A Legend
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Nice post Eddie.
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Great video Eddie, love your channel. I bought a DK Football yearbook back in 2003 a guide to the beautiful game and it had NUFC being est 1881 so I've heard of this for a while, so pleased more people are becoming more aware of this. I've recently bought Paul Joannou's & Alan Candlish's Pioneers of the North book which is a cracking read.
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Yes definitely. It needs to be recognised. We can also acknowledge 9.12.1892 but 15.11.1881 is a very important number.
Thee most important number 👊🏻👍🏻
Great video as always, very interesting 👏
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Excellent content as ever Eddie think its important the club recognises the lost 11 years, and something ive been saying for years as ive read a lot of Paul's work. Seems strange why the club has continued with the 1892 narrative especially as Paul is the official historian. Lets hope this is rectified soon and the club has events. We should be celebrating our 150th year in existence in 8 years time
Cheers Gaz. Having made the initial cock up in 1981, it seems now that the club are trapped with the 1892 date.
I think what we can do now though is raise the awareness of 1881 and start a new movement 👍🏻
Excellent piece Eddie, I'm all for the 1881 club.
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Didn’t know anything about the history mate great video and great old photos. So when a club has united in the name i presume this always means it when formed the club was always made up from a couple of smaller clubs?
Cheers Martin. We’ve been sold a ‘mistruth’ 🤔
Brilliant Eddie love it
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Totally with you Eddie 1881 club sounds like it needs to be done
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Keep up the good work Eddie 👏
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Wow 😮 unbelievable Eddy, I’m truly blown away.
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I cannot cope. 😢 First Jebedia Springfield and now this?
You’ll need to elaborate 🤷🏻♂️
@@TynesideLife I think he referring to an old 'The Simpsons' cartoon episode with the founder of Springfield [ as well as a 'Family Guy' episode with the founder of Quahog], where original 'foundation history' is deliberately rewritten to suit present-day narratives ! 🙄
@@MrSinclairn I’m not sure if I’m understanding correctly as his comment is open to interpretation, but the rewriting of history has happened since 92’.
The original historical records are there to be interrogated by anyone and it’s clear that 11 years of NUFC are being photoshopped from our history.
From Pioneers of the North; Newcastle's famous black and white striped shirts were originally the team's change strip. According to Darrin Foss, the team was scheduled to travel to Nottingham to play Forest in January 1892 and there was a dispute over which team should change (both wore red shirts at the time). An appeal to the Secretary of the FA, CW Alcock resulted in an instruction that, as the senior club, Forest should play in their usual red so United borrowed a set of broad striped shirts from Notts County. United's reserves also wore black and white stripes (in a more conventional pattern) and these seem to have been used as a change strip until 1894
Cheers Jonathan. Yeah I was talking to Paul Joannou yesterday about all things Newcastle history.
Of course this isn’t an in-depth history video about the fixtures and strips of the time, it’s about our clubs formation. Needles to say, it seems apparent that the photograph in the metro and date is false.
I’ll do more of these videos over the coming months 👍🏻
Let’s make new history here and now
Let’s do it 👊🏻
Eddie, can you do a piece on Albert Stubbings mate.
As much as I’m interested in this kind of thing personally, a video dedicated to an individual historical player wouldn’t generate enough interest on my channel. Sorry Peter but thank you for the suggestion
Love these types of content. We should definitely start the 1881 movement
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Help me clarify what year did they decide to be called Newcastle United?
Newcastle East End changed their name to Newcastle United in December 1892.
I thought black and white stripes were the away kit when they decided to change from red shirts? I can't remember where I heard it.
There’s no record of away shirt colours around that time, according to club historian Paul Joannou
Fascinating! My 2x great grandad used to pay subs to a Newcastle football club in the 1880's & he loved on Chillingham Road, I'd love to think it was too the Toon but sadly it won't be 😕
I used to use 1892 for pin numbers etc and since changed that, not to 1881 either just 4 other random numbers.
Fascinating video. I'd read, or heard before that it wasn't a merger, in that West End had folded. Years etc, well I couldn't recall. This fills in so many blanks. Also love the bit about Man u, who are not united at all, and the other clubs previous names. Was in Manchester couple years ago, got to looking at the history of clubs there. It could have been that Manchester Central may have been the big name today. It wasn't to be however. I need to re-watch this!
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I think the others need to move theirs back…
It’s almost like saying I dated my wife for 5 years then we married and she took my name but I’m now going to say her name was mine for 5 years prior to the marriage..
It makes sense that it should be when the name became known.
It’s the others that are doing it wrong, probably just to beat their chest about being around longer than a rival etc.
Great info, good history and one which I have heard before, but never the less, we came about in our current guise in 1892
I wonder when MKDons have their founding year, despite being around for decades before their restructure 🤔
So much more to this…
Keep up the great vids though 💪😎🖤⚽️🖤⚽️🖤
Completely disagree bud and the example you give isn’t comparable. The correct similarity would be to say your relationship ‘formed’ when you met your partner. Your relationship didn’t form when she took your name. The marriage year is very important, but it’s not when your relationship formed. If you’re asked when did you get together with your partner, you don’t tell them your marriage year…
Not a great analogy, but it’s the one you used and is as close as you’ll get.
A club ‘formation’ is far more significant than a ‘name change’ and that’s the difference. A formation is a ‘beginning’, the creation of something new. A name change is important, but it’s not the beginning of the story, it’s just part of the journey. In fact if you go down that route, the name didn’t become officially registered until 1895 🤷🏻♂️
Our club ‘formed’ in 1881. Our club changed grounds, changed names and then eventually the name changed to Newcastle United.
We need to be proud of our whole history and our beginnings like other clubs.
Thanks for complimenting the channel 👊🏻
Interesting but I think it should be from the date that they were officially Newcastle United.
Couple of things Kev. Other clubs have registered their clubs formations from the beginning, under other names. Secondly, it’s erasing 11 years of club history from memory.
Newcastle East End changed their name in 1892 but that’s not when the club was formed. They’re two completely different things.
Great stuff - but I don’t think the Stanley name tied to Newcastle has any relevance to the Stanley in the Northern League, than was based in Stanley in County Durham.
It doesn’t Adrian. As mentioned in the video, Stanley FC was named after Stanley St, just off Walker Rd, but it doesn’t exist anymore
Is that the St perers club behind you eddy ?
Yep 👍🏻 explained in the video 👊🏻
When are the 1881 Shirts coming out, maybe an opportunity for Adidas?
Like that idea! The clubs first shirt was blue 👍🏻
You might want to suggest this to your mate Darren Eales 💵💵@@TynesideLife
1881 it is. Great episode very thorough. I have several of Paul's books-they are fantastic. 1881 Marketing with Adidas will give the club a chance to make some additional revenue to buy players!
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Hiya Eddy, what I was told was Newcastle played Nottingham Forest away, because Nottingham Forest played in Red there was a colour clash, so Nottingham Forest asked Notts County to borrow their shirts, so Newcastle liked the colours that much that they adopted Notts Counties colours,I think Juventus played Notts County,that's when Juventus adopted the black and White striped shirts, Eddy could you please put me right if thats not true,this is Choppy in Whitehaven, Cumbria, England
Hi Choppy, that’s not true, according to Paul Joannou our club historian. I’m going to do a separate video about the shirt colours.
There is some partial truth in what you say as there was a match v Forest and they borrowed the Notts Cty kit for the game. The shirt colour story is much more complex than we think and the photo in the metro station is definitely wrong.
Hope this helps
@@TynesideLifeThanks Eddy, it helps, I hope you do the shirt clashing vlog, soon
This is so important. I’ve been doing a lot of historical research (nothing to do with Newcastle United) and am stunned at how much of our history is stolen by pure lies. If you’re interested let me know, I’ll point you in the right direction and it will blow your mind.
Truth is absolutely important for everything. The names of the original founders should be remembered and appreciated not erased.
Exactly mate 👍🏻 I study history myself so know a lot of the myths, including the George’s Men myth. I’m open to knew knowledge though, so please feel free to email me with any nuggets you think I may have missed 👍🏻
@@smartgenes1 he wasn’t talking about Newcastle United, which he clearly stated
1881 it is then lol
Not to be confused with my hometown of Stanley in North County Durham...
I believe that’s why Stanley FC changed their name to Newcastle East End. To avoid the confusion 👍🏻
Thr picture in metro os the borrowed kit of Notts County from when we plated forest away in 1892, we adopted Black and white as away colours rhe next season.
Hi Jonathan, can you supply a reference for this as we didn’t join the football league until 93’.
I can’t find any reference to a match against Notts County, or why we would be showcasing a trophy in 92’?
Cheers bud 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife hi Eddie's its not a trophy its a plaque with the city Crest on what they gave Instead of pena ts back then. Image is from 16 Jan 1892 Nottingham forest v newcastle East end west 2 v 1 fa cup borrowed kits from Notts County. We played the start of 1892-93 season named east end then changed to united in Dec.
@@jonathanauty4861 hi Jonathan, I understand the latter about the name changes etc as that is what the video is about.
In January 92’ East End were still playing in the Northern League at Chillingham Rd, as they didn’t move to St James’ until the May.
You’ll see on the ball in the photo that it has NUFC on it…
I’ve spoken to Paul Joannou just yesterday about second kits and there’s no historical record of of a second kit around that time. It’ll be interesting to see if we have eventually copied Notts County strip when we eventually adopted black and white in 1894.
Why do you think that particular photo us from that particular match? Could you provide a reference to what you’re claiming please, so that I can check it out. Cheers 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife have u gir Facebook or Instagram? Will take pics or b8ok pages and sens to you tonight after work
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I've never understood the 1892 date until now. Any reading of the history indicates 1881 is the start date. The cock up in 1981 by a club in disarray is a good explanation.
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1881 for me let’s put history right
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Ho Ho Ho Ho...Merry Christmas Eddie Hope Son And Everyone...
Why can't the powers-that-be(PIF,etc.) at NUFC officially changed it back to 1881,those fans with 1892 tattoos and/or merchandise aren't going to necessarily upset,as the extra decade, just reaffirms our club's longevity at the apex of English football ! 🙄
Don’t think that’ll ever happen. The purpose of the video is to shine a light on the incredible work by our clubs official historian in shining a light on this.
Our club messed up in 1981 and now 1892 has stuck. But it’s a false narrative and I believe in the truth and facts 🤷🏻♂️
We should start an 1881 club as that’s when Newcastle United was formed. Just like other clubs have recorded their history, from the beginning 👊🏻
In addition to being accurate, the number 1881 has a nice palindromic symmetry as well.
Of course 😃👊🏻
playing catch-up NCLE lucky to have a sleuth like you !
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Good lad 🤛🏻
1881 club 🙋♂️
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Tattoo shops will be busy on monday.
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defo in the 1881 club m8
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I hazzard a Guess...you or your roots are from Stanley
I’m from Gateshead and have no connection to Byker.
You’re insinuating some sort of journalistic bias? The video highlights the findings from Newcastle United’s official club historian Paul Joannou, who has delved into the historical facts.
1881 Much easier to remember anyhoo.
That’s because it’s a palindrome 😃
I like 1881 as it is a palindrome.
It certainly is 👍🏻
them stripes could be red and white as it is a black and white photo lol
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@@Cumbriamag lads, they’re black and white stripes in the photo. This is a historical FACT video. Now eat your vegetables and get to bed 😃
@@Cumbriamag I know but stop confusing people. They’re black and white stripes in the photo 😅
@@CumbriamagIf anyone is watching in Black and white its the ball behind the blue!!
Great blog and fascinating..I knew of this but how we change this is any bodies guess ...I think it's gone to far but maybe we can change it around ...HTL.
The club would never change it but we as fans can make change by embracing our true past and starting our own club 👊🏻
@@TynesideLife must be another way we are newcastle united not the united club of newcastle ...
@@paulwilkinson7977 ahh, I never meant that. I meant start the 1881 club 😅
1892 🖤🤍🖤🤍ive got the worst memory but i feel clever knowing my history so 1892 it is
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No Anthony, it’s 1881 😅
Excellent story you are best respect from Denmark 🖤🤍
Thank you Niels 👊🏻👍🏻