Top 10 MYTHs In Dirt Bikes
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- Breaking down the biggest myths that we see in dirt bikes today!
We spent some time thinking and here are the biggest myths as we see them in dirt bikes right now.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:19 Myth #10
1:17 Myth #9
1:53 Myth #8
2:43 Myth #7
3:49 Myth #6
4:44 Myth #5
5:34 Myth #4
6:30 Myth #3
7:39 Myth #2
9:10 Myth #1
10:31 Conclusion
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"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow"
🤣
So true
But it’s most fun to ride a fast bike fast
@@trenttapp9565 hahahah
basically the entire concept of a miata
ok, let me just grab my jaw off the floor from that tireless dakar video..
That was retired supercrosser Andrew Short. How he kept it floating on top of the sand is a mystery to me.
Truly bad ass.
Personally in over 2000 hrs of riding with full wrap hand guards they have never hurt me but have prevented me from getting hurt many times.
“2 Strokes!” - best part of the video, so cute!
Doing a great job with the creativity in the videos!
that's my little girl!
@@DirtBikeChannel will ya start her young?
Weight matters more where it is located. Two bikes weighing the same could have different centre of mass and this totally different feel and handling characteristics.
Kinda like a girl that has her fat located on her breasts and ass vs a girl with fat located on her belly and face.
Where the weight is located matters for performance 😆
When I put weight in the back of my truck it rides so much nicer then empty. Maybe the same here.
Facts
Yep and high weight around the handlebars is most noticable.
ive seen 2 cases of riders broke their arm due to getting caught in between the throttle and the full wrap handguard. My hands are way more expensive than those handguards 😅
Amen brother 😂
Full wrap hand guards can save fingers too, there are definitely pros and cons.
If you ride where there are trees and it is tight, full wrap hand guards are beneficial for a couple of reasons. First, if you whack a tree, you won't break your fingers. Second, if you drop the bike, the full wrap hand guards can be an aid to picking up the bike.
I broke my wrist from the handguards
Don't even have a dirt bike but I'm still watching.
Same but I’m planning to get one
thats me....
hopefully i can get 1 in like 2 months from now !!!!!
I’ve watched this a few times before I even had one. Just got my first dirt bike yesterday! 2013 crf80 for 1k. Not many problems took like an hour of quick maintenance. It’s so fun when first learning how to drive with a clutch
dont worry boys we have all been there jus think about how your future 450 is just patiently waiting for you
@cool is rich just sold my 250 for a two stroke 125
Someone had their coffee before filming! Loved this one. You could make a whole video about the chain oil thing.
I use full wrap because I race harescramble and trees break hands
And when a competitor wants to go bar to bar…. you will win almost every time! lol
Until your wrist slips into it breaking your wrist and then gets stuck in there so you can't fall properly breaking your collarbone. Talking from experience there haha I wouldn't have broken my wrist or collarbone if my hand didn't get stuck in wrap arounds so I'd rather bust a few knuckles on trees here and there by using flags than break a major bone again
@@tcmx712 never had my hand stuck in there but I had a cr250 get stuck wide open, I dodged one or 2 trees but the handguard saved my hand from the tree in 3rd or 4th revved out
@@thatfast3002 damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess haha. I just know that if I'm 2hrs away from the car I'd rather break my fingers on a tree than snap a wrist half way up a big dirty hill then try to ride back that's all
@@tcmx712 I know what you mean and i’ve heard that reasoning from people often but my thinking is …the amount of times that those things have saved my hands are plenty but catastrophic crashes are less frequent and you’re f*&^ed anyhow…BRAAAP!
Listening in as I clean up my "new" 2017 KTM 450 SX-F I picked up a couple days ago. 😁
I have a 09 250 sxf it’s my favorite bike so far
Lucky let me know if you know where to get another one at a good price
hell yeah!
Congrats man!! I own a 17 sx-f 250 that’s setup for woods riding and I love it
Congrats man! Just got a 2020 250 SX-F!!! I love it
My full wrap hand guards saved my levers twice yesterday. If you don’t have sponsors getting free parts, get yourself full wrap hand guards when in trails.
I have 150 hrs on with ARC fold back levers and not a broken lever since. With no hand guard. Stop buying stock levers.
@@curtiswilkinson9379 considering I don’t have stock levers, thanks for the advice.
@@curtiswilkinson9379 Exactly. I run ARC levers with stock KTM flags. Never had an issue. Full wrap hand guards are bullshit. Get all f’up when you fall and don’t flex on branches. Ran into a tree with full wraps and threw we off the trail.
The "experts" perhaps have never gone around a corner and slid the bar end into a tree trunk and broke their hand. if so, the wing guards would be gotten rid of.
@@carlatamanczyk3891 you've obviously never had your hand slip into a wrap around breaking your wrist then getting stuck in there causing you to fall weird breaking your collarbone. Rather bust a few knuckles using flags than break major bones using wrap arounds
As I listen this morning I’m getting ready to head to the shop to work on my YZ490 powered blaster. No such thing as too much power 😂😂
2 wrongs don't make a right. Lol
Sounds wonderful to me
Oh wow I bet that's a monster lol. I keep seeing this video on Facebook of one.
@@boengel5342 I finally got the swingarm lined up and the motor mounts in, I’m working on an exhaust
I love how straight to the point this video was. Thank you for not dragging it out!
Awesome video, Kyle. Thanks for putting this out. I learn something new every time I watch your content.
Im so glad you added “more power is better”. Never been super big into 2 strokes, but i know that as far as 4strokes go a 250 is 9 times out of 10 considerably better than a 450. Unless your riding sand dunes, which just makes a 450 feel like a 250. I have seen so many people get into riding and buy the fastest/most powerful bike they can get and then spend the whole time kissing their front fender to keep the front tire down. There are very few riders in the world that can use and manage the full 450 power. If the 250 4stroke isn’t enough dont got for a 450, go for a 250 2stroke
I get what you're saying but there's a lot of guys, myself included that ride the crap out of 450s. If they were that unusable they wouldn't sell so many.
@@xafbxmoto269 yeah they definitely sell. And they are ridable. But imo you would probably do better on a 250. Not to say u cant have fun on a 450 tho👌😂
@@RandomUser2388 I've had 250 two strokes before they're fun but for the type of riding I do the 450 is just better. I actually have a 350 too which is fucking awesome but still not enough to sell the 450. For beginners and novice like Kyle I understand but when you get more experienced more power is better especially for getting you out of trouble
Love these videos, so informative, honest and down to earth! Keep ‘em coming!
The best I've ever felt was on my yz125. I will swear by that thing. Never felt more comfortable
I was so comfortable when I switched to the 490 I almost killed me!
Same here. I've been on dirty bikes for over 30 years and of all my bikes, my 06 YZ125 is my go to. It feels like home. It even pulled my buddy out of a 3 year non-riding spell. It's that much fun to ride!
Same... l've been riding for 4 decades, but l can do quicker lap times on a 125 than a 250 or 500 on most tracks .. I only ride 2 strokes.
Yeah i agree, i think the 125 is the perfect bike all around. It has all the power a 250 4stroke would have, while having the throttle range the 2strokes have, and the agility of a low weight bike. The only downfalls i can think of is they do poor in sand dunes, and correct me if im wrong but the top end seems to wear down faster than the 250 2strokes. But honestly its not that big of a deal to do a top end on a 2stroke😂, its almost like routine maintenance if you ride a lot
@@RandomUser2388 bro you smoke crack if you think a yz125 has the same power as a yz250f its not even close i have owned and raced several years of both and owned both at same time still currently do, and they are not even comparable, yz125 is fun for spinning tire and going nowhere and making noise but the 250 pulls and tracks so much harder, especially 2013 or newer, the fuel injected with engine mapping are a demon compared to a 125, you must not twist the throttle man or havent ridden a newer one, 125 is a tire spinning joke to play around on, my 2020 250fx will put me on my ass the power delivery of the newer fuel injected yamahas is ridiculous, I will only race 250f in harescrambles its amazing, if i only had my 125 I wouldn't even attempt it
Excellent vid, Kyle! Much appreciated. Especially loved the chain lube segment. You are so right!
So glad you put in #5 the myth that 2-strokes don’t make low end torque.
I almost added it to the comments, but I decided to give you a chance and was pleasantly surprised you bought it up.
If a 4-stroke tried to match how low a 2-stroke can go it would be stalled.
Finally someone put a video up with these myths in it! Every time I try telling someone one of these they don’t believe me haha
Full wrap hand guards scare me, feel like my wrist could get caught in there during a bad spill
Trees scare me, feel like my hand could get caught in there when my dumbass runs into one
@@streetrider11 lol
Happened to me and it is not fun.
I had the best wrap arounds and took them off after a little fall over and my wrist was stuck and pinned from it. I turned around and sold them and put my
Og ones back on. Never again!
@@williams215s9 no name brand for these "best" handguards? I can tell you right now they weren't the best, bit most likely the cheapest.
love these videos man, keep up the good work.
Just experienced #5 with a throttle cable. The OEM actually works while the aftermarket one slips out of the slide.
What is OEM
@@chrisrothmann4002 OEM stands for original equipment manufacturer.
Yamaha recommends 30 to 1 for my YZ. I run between 30 to 1 to 40 to one depending on type of riding im doing. Never had a problem. Though I will say running it too lean will cause excessive wear on top end. Just in my experience personally its safer to run a little richer. But top ends are cheap in two strokes so too each his own
Agree
THANK YOU for the explaining to the people about full wrap hand guards
Love it Kyle, thanks for sharing!
Great video very entertaining thanks for posting👍
I ride a 500 2 stroke I love the low end Torque
Great video man. Really appreciate it.
I love my full wrap hand guards for racing gncc mainly bc of hitting tree's 😂😬
Yes, where I ride, lots of trees, so I use full wrap handguards - virtually everybody does where I ride. The difference is that all the pro's mentioned that aren't using full wrap guards are, well professional riders. It's hard to compare the average rider with a pro rider and how they set things up etc.. I asked Chris Birch at one of his clinics why he didn't use them, and said the risk with full-wrap was getting your forearm caught in them and going over the bars etc. I think this is pretty rare, but I also think that it's probably more likely when ridden really hard (again, like a professional rider).
@@RickGreen_McNutt Well put. Lots of trees where I'm from too. The bike I got came with fullwraps. I've found them to be quite helpful especially on bushy trails, but I try not to hang on if I'm going down just incase I wedge my wrists.
100% in fact I used to use cycra ones that bend down to supposedly help get your hand off but I found my fingers got hit more by branches so I went back to a straight set.
@@ian9toes if only i could have hand gaurds last more than one or 2 races 😂😂 i like to hit trees and break them🤣
gav rm85
Just to be clear I’m running full wrap aluminium guards. I reckon they’ve protected me as well when I’ve gone down with my hands still on the bars.
Love this episode! Love number 1 and 2!
Great video. I ride where there are lots of trees and some narrow trails. That's why I use full wraps. Not trying to break my hand on a tree when I (very frequently) mess up.
No engine break in, no chain lube, very few aftermarket parts, they all said I was crazy
Lmao
Miss racing in wildwood. That was my favorite event ever. Andrew we killed it. 👍👍
You don't need a new bike to have fun or be competitive. I have an 02 kx250 2t and it more than keeps up with my friends on 520s and 450s
Great video bud!!! Keep up the good work 🤟🏼
Thanks! Will do!
I thought you were saying “engine breaking”. Hahaha. I live that Utah accent 👍
My cousin bought a brand new kx100 and pinned it on its very first ride. The thing ran perfectly fine and had its first rebuild at 80 hours
Really like the fast format!
Nice video, lots of good information!
Myth #8 absolutely! My RM85 weighs almost 20lbs less than my KX100 but it feels heavier than the KX.
You left off Travis Pastrana on the handguard bit. :)
"2 strokes!" I LOVE IT!
Unbreakable levers and hand guards work a treat
Entertaining and informative. #10 was great.
another great vid mate, thanks!
Thank you, great info!
Thanks for the video!
One of you're best. Thanks.
Great vid!!!! Split screen intro was cool 😎
Great video Kyle!
on my air forks on my 2021 tx 300 there was a noticeable difference on the suspension after 15 hours. The rear suspension didnt change but the front forks had a lil break in time
Can't wait to buy some of your gear here in a month 🤘🏻 you've got some stuff I definitely can use on this bike
The added benefit maybe I'll finally be able to get the 2stroke I've dreamt of. Great content as always kyle.
I agree with everything in this video besides the 2 strokes having more low end grunt than 4 strokes. They might have a more controllable low end grunt but its definitely not more, not even close actually.
Ya i was kinda scratching my head on that one 2 strokes have torque but to say more than a 4 stroke is a bit extreme
@@orangeponygsxr9366 yeah thats a reach for sure. I mean a dyno graph comparison would end the argument real quick
Spot on! The chain and break in has been confirmed by fortnine. You two are the best motorcycle channels out there.
Metal on metal contact of the chain and sprockets would be the biggest reason to lube an o ring.
Good myth busting. Wasn’t aware of the o-ring chain oiling one. On the OEM vs aftermarket parts; when it comes to engine parts and bearings, OEM is almost always the best option. You can get good aftermarket bearings for sure, but not in a Pivot Works or All Balls kit.
When it comes to weight. I try to match how much I weigh with a + - of 40lbs
My rule is try to keep it under 270 with a full tank. I personally hate a bike that weighs less than 240 because they dont feel as planted and stable to me. This excludes small bikes ofcourse.
@Lane AWD I ride a crf230 and I only weight 140ish. Weight doesn't matter as long as the bike isn't too tall for you and the center of gravity on the bike isn't too high for you. I have a harder time wrestling light race bikes than heavy trail bikes because race bikes sit so high. Word of advice, don't buy a MX bike for trail riding. They have too much power, especially in wooded areas. My crf230 passes 250 and 450 race bikes all the time in the woods.
completely spot on!
All the Europeans that don't use full wrap hand guards have a good reason. The are not legal in FIM races.
I put Americans on there too and the CAN use them in some races. They don't because they don't want to.
@@DirtBikeChannel but why it's not like it's affecting the riders skill
Very true, the rules don't allow them!
FIM Technical Rules, Enduro section
33.10 "If hand protectors are used they must be of a shatter-resistant material and have a permanent opening for the hand."
Wrist breaking devices...
@@DirtBikeChannel I have them on my Tenere 700 because they help keep the bars from bending when I drop that 450 pound bike on the ground, which I do a lot! So far, so good!
Great video. Very enjoyable. Myth #11: Every time you ride, it doesn't have to be a race to see how fast you can go (unless you are in a racing event). Just enjoy riding.
excellent list.cheers V
Great video!
Great video Kyle.
You forgot the myth about ktm bikes being always broke and that you pass 2x more time repairing them than riding them
I had a Yamaha MX360 back in 1975 and it had zero low end grunt, so 2 strokes have come a very long way.
Power valves!
The engine break in one is a big ole myth. I had people tell me they'd run 2 tanks of fuel at only half throttle... lol that would take days.
Breaking in an engine is not myth, it’s for heat shrink cycles
@@boreese2089 breaking it in over 2 full tanks of fuel is the myth. Or like a full day or crazy long period of time. I’ve done it both ways and wear and tear was the same
@@Theairguitarguy I’d say just go easy on it and do heat cycles for like an hour
@@boreese2089 That’s pretty much what I’ve done in the past.
So is it a myth or not?
this video made me sweaty
the pacing is like a sprint
Great video man. Can't say that I can disagree with any of it.
I noticed alot these myth busters as well with my time riding
Love your videos ,greetings from Antarctica
Who needs more when we have Kyle and the 2 stroke daughter!
Been busting myth #10 since 1988. I was 15 at that time. Was told any lightweight oil was fine for o ring chains by a motorcycle mechanic. Years later I started using dry chain lube on the center rollers as it doesn’t fly off, attract dirt or make a mess. Then some WD40 on the sides. The dry lube to keeps the rollers quieter a little longer
But for many years I only used WD40 on o ring chains without any issues
That chain brush has vertical bristles that will brush the o-rings. That might damage or push crap past the o-ring. Dont touch the o-ring part of the chain with any cleaning accessory including power washers, which claim several thousand psi. That will blow by the o-ring seal and then some.
That said, DID chains are so freaking strong, they'll probably go a long time even with compromised o-rings.
Good vid !
Great video 🤙🏻
Thanks 👍
Where are those suspension videos from. Would love to watch those.
Top video mate
Hey luv the vids... where did you get the tire shelves or are they made?
Dude, love this video, myth one coincides with all vehicles, best example I can think of would be cars, if a dude cant competently drive a stock car, then upgrading to a super or hyper car isn't gunna increase his skills as a driver
Love 'myth #1'. So true ✌🏼
I agree with the engine size. I'm on an xc-f250 and I'm 230lbs. It's a fun bike and alot easier to ride for me than the 450 I had before it.
I went from a WR450 to a KLX250, same thing.
Hit the nail on the head about "break in". The only way to seat the rings is cylinder pressure. The only way to build cylinder pressure is open the throttle.
Break in on Engines gave me a good laught, so true, 2 strokes you just warm up and brappppp, may run more oil in the mix first run then less :) full brapp
honestly great video. I have purchased multiple bikes and the dealer has always informed me of a break in period for the engine. Hell my harley had specific instructions for it. So not completely sold on that myth. I have also had crate engines that have break in instructions.
I love your videos... they are well made... I would only put one more myth...
The myth that you need a clutch to change gears...
Wrap around handguards saved my hands riding single trails in the forrest...pros proli don't use them due to skills but for newbies and intermediate I think it's a must
Good video buddy!
Fantastic video I was going to buy the KTM 500 or the husqvarna 501 but now I might consider the KTM 350 or KTM 300 👍
The type of riding you do is typically how you break an engine in. As someone who has had many race spec 2 stroke engines, some of which lasted 6 mins and some of which lasted 2 full seasons of moto, I will say 100% break in matters. My dad is a engine builder and built many engines for me. Never a single problem when the recipe was followed. Top ends swapped between motos, without issues. The rings have to properly seat, for someone like you being down 20% on compression isn’t noticeable but on a race bike that lives at 11000rpms it defiantly matters and is hilarious when people say otherwise.
I've had wrap around and bar end handguards on the motard. There was no use for protection.
The stock ones on my XR250, haven't really been taking abuse since I started going through the trails.
I’ve owned and ridden lots of two strokes. 125,250,500,85. And I will say you have very little low end power on anything until you get to about a 250
Hey Kyle, love the videos, I have a question. What ratio do you mix your 250/300? before tpi obviously
260 hrs on my 17 250xc on Motorex 60:1
Great video
Your really a good rider!
That's a mighty rough trail you are riding on.
For O ring and X ring chain, I clean with Motul chain cleaner/conditioner and the next day hit it with a coat of Maxima SC-1. Never had any issues and much easier to clean even then gear oil. I wouldn't use gear oil, WD40, or sticky grease at all, those all gather grit and gear oil will fling all over if over applied.
Mouse Bibs fail when not properly maintained. It's clearly stated to keep them lubricated in the install instructions. Also, you had a rim lock failure, not a bib failure. If you're getting into extreme enduro it's common knowledge to run 2 rim locks opposed to each other just for that issue.
Full wrap hand guards are personal choice. The pro's your listing do not buy their own equipment and couldn't care less about if something breaks, the factory will fix it. As a enthusiast on the weekends, I care a lot and run full wraps to protect not only my hands but my equipment, take care of your ride and it'll take care of you.
You're bike would run like garbage if the fuel was actually too thick with pre mix which you'd need to be something like 10:1 to get that thick. Saying you'll get less fuel is a myth. You're bike will run that fuel through the carb but unless you're on the pipe constantly a 30:1 ratio will foul plugs like crazy. It highly depends on the type of riding and manufacturer rec. Trials run 100:1 and pure MX run 30:1 at wide open throttle. It's a load vs ratio.
Engine break in is important. It's the same thing as letting a TPI warm up to 140* before touching the throttle and using the cold start lever. (It's not a choke, it's a air bypass that allows more air through because TPI bikes run very rich until 140*, using the cold start lever keeps it from fouling plugs, after 140* release the lever and you're ok to ride.) Granted a 2 stroke isn't going to be as critical as a 4t but these are running incredibly high compression ratios in the 4t and if you don't properly heat cycle and let the rings seat in, let the cams heat cycle you're asking for trouble latter. On a 2t you're asking for a cold seize ripping on it too cold or too new. Treat your equipment nice and it'll last a long time. Again, RACE teams don't give a S about wear and tear, they're going to be rebuilding that engine every night as it is anyway so yeah screw it. They also have a huge budget to do just that. Also, manufacturers do not run a full red line performance run from new, they fire it, give it a bit of a load and make sure it completes a heat cycle. They're not treating it like some kid being a tool.
Where are you getting some of this info from? I understand you're saying "In my opinion" and it shows. You clearly aren't from a mechanical background and probably should stick to doing riding and bike overviews. This video is complete cringe and full of misinformation.
It's simple, i try to replace each parts of my bikes with OEM parts when i break it (not plastics), even levers.
More oil means less fuel that equals lean !!
Thats Not what people mean with lean
Assuming you have checked your plugs, changed your jetting and needle position so the bike is running properly for the mix...no
I build my cr250 over the same time you guys did your 03. As i use it for enduro type riding i really kitted it aswell with aftermarket stuff. As alot of things made it better alot made it worst like all the power that it makes now its unusable it was easier to ride in stock and when i jump on a 250 ktm xcw its just so much easier to ride 😂.
Love this channel always says it as it is.
You are correct on engine break in. I have seen one blow right away but it was 6th gear pinned right out of the box. Other than that i just baby it for a couple hours, change the oil atleast once and call it good. Rings dont take that long to seat in.. consider how many strokes are made in one hour of riding.
#10 thanks, i have the tendency to overlube my chain and that creates other problems. I will try just wd40 after cleaning to prevent rust as you mentioned.
#7 is more of a personal preference. Sure the pros dont drop their bikes... i still do sometimes and braking levers sucks.
#3 is better to follow the manufacturer manual, advicing not to dont seems right. I can show you a picture of my tx300i mag plug after 5 hrs. Besides, is nothing complex, just take it easy, warm it up and go through all gears.
#1 yes, years ago you made a video about 450s and that was a great advice. Starting with smaller engines will make you learn to use your body better. I have frends that rely of 450s torque and once their tires wear down or you put them in a smaller bike, they struggle more
I use bel ray super clean. When you wash your bike use an air compressor or blower to blow out every last drip of water then ride it up the road. The only reason they rust is because people don't dry them properly has nothing to do with chain lube or wax.
Aftermarket nightmare, that's what I called one of my bikes...