The Fascist Fantasy Satire of Starship Troopers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video we take a look back at the Paul Verhoeven cult film, Starship Troopers from 1997.
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5:02 The federation is a society That does everything in its power to ensure you don't join the military unless you really want to Recruits are constantly told to quit.There is no conscription and you can leave at any time except in active battle
Exactly. Rico's dad was not a citizen, and a bit soy, but he was was a successful and happy businessman
I'm curious why people so often draw a line between America, militarism, and propaganda as if we were the ones that invented any of this. Hannibal was at the gates thousands of years before this country existed. Sure, we do the "Uncle Sam Wants you" bit but so does every country with an active and well funded military. It just kinda feels lazy.
I think that in this context the American and Nazi propaganda of the 1930s and 1940s was what specifically influenced and impacted the Director, Paul Verhoeven. Totally agree with your comment though that propaganda had been around way before and after this 1997 film. I am just speaking to this specific context and the comments of the director.
@@livingthepast Director has no idea about what he is talking and he confirmed that multiple times. He just doesn't like Germans and Nazis because they occupied the Netherlands, but he clearly does not understand the ideology that he tries to critique. He didn't even read Robert A. Heinlein's book on which he made a film. His only movie that became worth watching. For him, fascism is order, strictness, discipline, the military, and hot boys and girls of action. Everything that is associated with strength and power.
Over-thinking movies is what ruins pure escapism.
It’s not fascist, it’s a speciesist film.
You just figured this out???
wait.... oh... "living in the past"
ok. I fell for it
2:37 In the case of the arachnids, there is literally no other choice in the book and in the movies they want to destroy humanity They say so, there's no communicating with that.There's no negotiating with that.There's either fighting or dying
Except for the asteroid hit almost surely being a false flag attack.🤔
@djcjr1x1 where does the movie say that and in the same continuity there is a five year peace period before the bugs launch attacks again
@@spartanx9293 I don't think they say it, I've heard a lot of other videos and suggest it and I agree.
@@djcjr1x1 The thing is successive movies pretty much line out that the bugs have it out for humanity there The thing is successive movies pretty much line out that the bugs have it out for Humanity, the leader of the bugs outright states.They want us all dead
I remember seeing this in the theater when it came out and while I did like it I felt like I had to take a shower after. It’s funny how the 90’s were. Since there was no Soviet Union to hate there was still a pent up aggression in the US, as if something was going to go off. Ironically I almost joined the army at this time but because of the downsizing they didn’t take me….lucky me. Sometimes it takes an outside person (Verhoeven) to show how we are in this country because we just don’t see ourselves or don’t want to.
Well said! Totally agree.
It's a failed satire, which is the best adaptation that could have been made of the novel, since a serious and literal one wouldn't inspire this confused fascination. Instead it would cause rejection, as it happened to the director when he tried and failed to read it. The society is not authoritarian nor militaristic, it's just set during a war; military service is not the only service you can provide, both the novel and the 1988 anime have the trainees stop their drills to serve in containing forest fires. Nor are the commercials pure propaganda, as it shows military failures, leader resignations and open debates.
The two levels you must understand are Verhoeven's: the highest level as a director and master of his craft that nails every element for it to be a satire; and his lowest at understanding the book and ideology that he's trying to satirize, which inevitable makes him fail at it, he's a master chef using an extremely poisonous ingredient to cook a delicious but deadly dish. He was not only European: he was bombed by the Allies during WWII as a child and drafted into the Dutch military as a young adult, both of which he resented to the point of thinking they were the real bad guys, hence the confusion he infuses into the movie.
Depends on what they were trying to satire.Fascism failed propaganda movies done effectively
@@spartanx9293 Verhoeven initial idea was to make a movie to parody American action movies because he saw them as bad as the German propaganda, but the setting was too similar to Starship Troopers so they went with that instead. He thinks that the Americans are the same as the German and Italian bad guys, and ironically one of the reasons he gives for it is the Second Amendment.
It had great sfx and visuals but I wasnt a huge fan. It was a little too Beverly Hills 90210 in space for me.
SST as a movie is a failed attempt at "satire".
Escapist fascism sure is better than the real alternative. And lets face it-- being balls-to-the-wall chaotic is always fun.
Even if we wanted to talk about Starship Troopers according to the perception of what was seen in the movie, so to exclude the book, we cannot talk about fascism, and even less about Nazism. Such conclusions are made by people who think that fascism is everything they don't like in politics or in society, people who have no idea what they are talking about. Especially people who identify any totalitarian government with fascism.
Let's simply dissect a few basic things about the Federation from the movie based on the most common stereotypes that "woke" people attribute to Nazism and fascism:
1) military service guarantees citizenship - did the fascist doctrine leave freedom of choice and exemption from military obligation?
2) women and men were treated exactly the same regardless of gender - fascist doctrine did not divide social roles and duties based on gender?
3) multiracial and multiethnic society - the National Socialist doctrine did not distinguish between races and ethnicities?
4) global government - since when did a tribal and nationalistic doctrine become globalist so as to guarantee equality to all peoples on the basis of military (or any) service?
As we can see, the fundamental pillars of the state from the film are in contradiction with National Socialism and in some aspects with fascism.
If you're going to add epithets of "fascism" to the society from the movie based on the uniforms, obvious propaganda and expressed patriotism, then you really have no idea what you're talking about. We find such elements in all modern national states.
The Federation from the movie is probably closer to some ideals of libertarianism than fascism.
Nadalje, čak i ako se utvrdi da četiri nabrojane stavke doista jesu fašističke u prirodi, tada ne čudi zašto je mnogima i danas fašizam privlačan te se ostavlja na zadatak da "woke" ljudi objasne zašto su te četiri stavke viđene u filmu loše.
It is literally an ideal Liberal society, doubly so in the book. Not only is their other ways to serve than in the military, the military actively discourages joining them, and offers everyone the option to quit when ever they want.
I'd rather live in the world of Starship Troopers than this one. It's better by comparison.
i'm all for the federation becoming a reality
Once again Veerhoven is 20+yrs ahead. Take out the bugs and space ships and it's 2017 almost in us vs them.😳
Genocide? Of the bugs? Who cares if they kill every single bug?
I’m tired of hearing about this movie
Interesting. I must be in a different algorithm, I hardly have heard people talk about it.
@@livingthepast yeah I meant no offense to you. It just used to be this cool niche thing, and now people can’t stop talking about it lol
They keep talking about it because it's becoming frighteningly close to reality minuse the bugs and spacships.🤕
The movie is excelkent. At times, it looks more lije a celebration if authoritarism and militarism than a critique of the. Besudes that, I have a crush on Dizzy Flores. I know, I know: in the novel, the character is a male. But, hey: no obe is oerfect
I remember leaving the theater very depressed because there was noone in this movie to whom the spectator can decently identify with: it's either the space nazis or the slimy bugs.
Totally agree. I felt this major disconnect while appreciating the filmmaking (mainly the visuals).
You don't _have_ to identify with someone to be entertained by them. And you don't have to hate a film you enjoy to be a good person.
I think you are confusing a militarized society and fascism. There is no conscription, only volunteer, the government doesn't lie about defeats and military commanders accept responsibility and resign. This is in contrast to the Nazis whose propoganda and self delusion was incredible.
*propaganda
@@CorundumDevil I never said I didn't enjoy it or wasn't entertained, but thank you for patronizing me like I am a toddler, space nazi!