As a kid I loved watching all those martial arts movies like 'Kid with the Golden Arm', 'Deadly Silver Spear' and many others, they were fascinating for me!
Great video - Lorena is an excellent guest - she's fearless and incisive w her commentary, and it's exciting to have someone else so versed in stunts and fight choreography connecting w this channel - yes, I agree w this concern about the decline of original material, and its impact on the role of movie stars, etc - well articulated here - my favorite martial arts films include Ashes of Time, Hero, Crouching Tiger, Atomic Blonde, Raid 2, Bride w White Hair, Villainess, Saur Sepuh, Warrior vs Ninja, Dragon Princess
Recent Netflix Korean action series: 'My Name', 'All Of Us Are Dead', 'Sweet Home', most recently 'Bloodhounds'. Some of the best action scenes out there. Are the stars transitioning to Hollywood? No because the usual pattern is come to Hollywood, make one film, then be forgotten. The alternative is to stay home, have a long successful career.
The most successful martial arts stars also have something that's popularly associated w/ them that makes them stand out. Bruce Lee was for those looking for a serious & authentic fighter, Jackie Chan was for audiences who love comedy & stunt work, Jet Li was for people who appreciate fantastical & special effects-filled choreography, Chow Yun-fat presented firearms as an extension of kung fu, Michelle Yeoh satiated the hunger for badass heroines in the genre, etc... As incredibly talented Donnie Yen, Tony Jaa, & Iko Uwais are, they're mostly associated w/ certain fighting styles: Wing Chun, Muay Boran, Pencak Silat, etc...Not to say that they don't display any other skills, but perhaps most of those have already been covered by the superstars that came before them. Casual viewers like to simplify what they're gonna get from certain action stars. That's why Bruceploitation damaged most careers that took part in it.
Cynthia Rothrock and Scott Adkins had a serious discussion about the lack of true action movies and lack of original ideas. They mentioned the ability of editors and cinematographers knowing the tricks of making an actor with no real fighting experience look like they do. Michael Jai White even mentioned this before in an interview. And folks want ridiculous shots and moves now, most of which are not truly realistic (and don't care). Plus as a screenwriter, I concur with Loren, it has been this way for decades, nothing original gets greenlit unless a big name actor signs on or puts capital or equity behind it, even then, it has to make a profit. Also complex characters are not always compelling, society has abandoned a lot of complexities of life, for simple rules and laws.
Yo ! Always great to see Lorena crashing by your channel ! That was a fantastic discussion ! I love her take on the entire martial arts movie industry, and yes, sadly, we don't make them like we used to, because HOLLYWOOD only banks on franchises and known IPs anymore. Also, not surprising but YES ! She's also a big fan of Everything Everywhere, and Martial Club ! And that's AWESOME ! Also, it would be hilarious if, after her comments on BATMAN 30 , she actually lands a gig on the next Batman, spending the whole production praying Matt Reeves or James Gunn never finds this vid ^^
Lorena is the first guest I've seen who is so well versed in industry knowledge and is not afraid of speaking against the negative aspects of the industry in which she herself is working in. I feel like most californians don't speak their mind due to fear of being cancelled.
If possible, please have more of this stuff with her as the guest :) Very cool with reactions where you have a pro there reacting with you. Not that I dislike the straight-up reactions at all. They made me sub. It is a nice change if sprinkled in here and there. Just my 2 cents. Also, thanks for the great video!
Favorite movie: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Makes me sad that the mainstream doesnt care about these movies anymore but Im glad we have so many ways to still find quality content these days.
Yeah you do need a good story to draw many people in. The last big US produced thing I've seen without a big actor and had martial arts was 'Into The Badlands'.
There was a chance to introduce a martial arts superstar with Shang Chi but Simu Lui just doesn't have the same charisma or quality that these past action stars had.
Simu is not an out and out martial artist. He has some martial arts training but he is an actor first and martial artist second. People like Tony Jaa, Donny Yen and Jet Li are practicing and dedicated martial artists first and transitioned into acting.
Let's see what the future holds for the Le bros from Martial Club. They are popping up more and more left right and center, recently (Shang Chi, EEAAO, American Born Chinese...)
I'm surprised they didn't mention Shang Chi, I know its a superhero movie but I think it was really refreshing to see martial arts in a mainstream movie again and its widely considered one of the best movies of phase four of Marvel. I love Romeo Must Die, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers and Forbidden Kingdom cause it brought two of my faves togetha with Jackie Chan and Jet Li.
One of the earliest movies I remember seeing all on my own (I think I was about 9 then) was Jackie Chan's Project A-II. He seemed like an impossibility at that time... the speed, the stunts, the charisma, and the humor. I'd seen only one Bruce Lee movie back then and he had seemed all serious, but here was a guy who was like a superhero but could make me laugh! Oh, and speaking of Bruce Lee, a few years ago, I watched a Thai movie starring an unknown face... someone named Tony Jaa. The movie was Ong-Baak. I went back to watch that movie twice again, and the end of the movie saw a standing ovation from the audience all three times. This was in a small theatre in an Indian metropolis. Jet Li will, of course, Wong Fei Hong in the 'Once Upon a Time in China' series, although I've watched his other Chinese and American films, and have never been disappointed.
Hey guys, This was a Great reaction!!!! An Welcome to Loren ❤ Smart! Cute! An that Smile😍 Plus your a stunt double in the big screen!!! If I were 38yrs younger I would chase you till you dropped.. Picked you up an took you home to meet my Mom!! But in a good way.. Not creepy or nothing. 😁 Anyway Ima so glad y'all are doing this genre, I to Love these kind of movies.. I grew up watching ..Kung fu theatre, black belt theatre on Saturday's morning's. I would go outside after it was over go outside ( with a bunch of friends) an we would kick an punch each other till we couldn't stand up anymore. An Iam just wondering why someone hasn't asked Loren to star in a film. No kidding with her background.. Man someone will notice you be patient. They all can't be blind😂. Ok back on topic.. Movies like those an Bruce Lee of course is the reason I started Martial Arts in1974 an still study to this day. Iam 68yrs young an iam definitely in that small club that Jaby was talking about. Please do more of these in the future. Really Great show. An PLEASE have Loren back she's Amazing😎 Peace✌
also there's a trend in hollywood of flash cuts editing where non-martial artist actors are providing the illusion that they can fight. the biggest early example of this was the bourne series. to the untrained eye, most audience viewers can't tell the difference from real martial artists on screen from the actors (and most probably wouldn't care). you're right about the bottomline: 1) have an interesting story, and 2) have compelling characters for the audience to become emotionally invested in. if a film has these two critical elements, people will even watch bad action.
Tony jaa was the last real martial arts star or they tried to anyway lol. We’re kind of past the days of stars in general selling movies much less martial arts stars which is sad .
She looks like darla from the 90s 'Little Rascals' film crossed with the amazing Tatiana Maslani. With hints of Jenna Ortega. Informative and confident to boot.
I love Martial Arts movies but there is also the problem that some martial arts movies have horrible martial arts action. I personally have rewatched movies that I used to love when I was a kid and now I realize that the martial art in those was BS. Flash Point with Donnie Yen is my reference for great martial arts action, but it lacks a compelling plot.
I strongly agree with Jaby's sentiment that you need a great story and an actor with a great stage presence, for people to take notice of great action. I always have been an action fan , I grew up watching a lot of Chinese kung fu cinema (Asian movies where more previlant here in Europe in these days, than they where in the US back then), all the Chacky Chan and Brue Lee movies I could get my hands on and all the Van Damme and Lundgren movies and I loved them. But perception and audiance expectations change and evolve, in the 80s great stunts where enough, but today it is no longer, for a wider audience). We never had such an amount of choice in what we watch and if we do not like a movie or series, we can simply switch to something else, thus the bar for a movie to break the mold has risen substentially. Another factor is, that in an enviroment where you have hundrets or thousands of movies to choose from at any given time, these choices are overwhelming, which benefits established names. When you see a name or a face, that you know and liked in a previous movie, attatched to a project you instinctivly see it as a garant for something worthwhile and so you are much more likely to engage with it. I would count IP Man as an estabilshed asian franchise in Europe, it is pretty widely known and so is Donny Yen in genral. Favorit Martial Arts movie: ... that is a tough one, I would choose "Project A" for it's stunts and humor, "Hero" and "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" for their esthetics and the John Wick movies for their choreography.
The Western also died from the mainstream. These things are good for hipsters. You get your own little niche. Horror was never mainstream but it lives on. Martial Arts movies need to think along those lines and find their loyal audience like Horror did.
Heroes of the East rules. The trilogly to watch is 36 Chambers, 8 Diagram Pole Fighter and Heroes of the East simply because of the quality of that time.
I'd love to see some Asian-Americans make this happen. Simu Liu (I consider Asian-Canadians to essentially be Asian-American mostly) has demonstrated that he has the chops to do martial arts on film. Lucy Liu has shown she can direct with American Born Chinese, and I'm sure she could still act and do some action in front of the camera too still.
Former parkour instructor here. The parkour lady is incorrect about the history of parkour. Parkour was inspired by Georges Hérbert's Méthode Naturelle (back in the early 1900s), not Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan's action sequence style was itself inspired by Buster Keaton. The Yamakasi group was led by one David Belle. David Belle's father, Raymond Belle, was a fire-fighter who had used Méthode Naturelle's teachings to develop a new training regime for navigating verticality in urban environments. David Belle was taught Méthode Naturelle by his father and developed what we know of as parkour today, named after Parcours du Combattant. Some of Jackie Chan's vaulting style was heavily influenced by Buster Keaton, who himself was influenced by circus acrobats. Any resemblance between Jackie Chan's movement style to parkour is coincidental and simply the result of separate disciplines evolving in parallel across time. (For example, Buster Keaton once performed a vault that is very similar to what is known as a "kong vault" in British parkour schools.) This happens often in martial arts. In short, what Jackie Chan does is use improvisational techniques to fight or scale obstacles. Parkour is about the systematic and methodical training of moving from A to B as efficiently and safely as possible. They are similar, but it doesn't mean one was inspired by the other. If you look at all the fundamental parkour techniques, you can easily trace them back to basic Méthode Naturelle movements, predating Jackie Chan by half a century.
Make a video on how deewar movie changed the action genre in world cinema. How it influenced Asian movies and hollywood..how it influenced the current action movies in the world. How brothers, a better tomorrow was influenced by it and which in turn influenced reservoir dogs and John wick, and all action movies
Cobra Kai barely counts... As great as Scott Adkins is, he's not a household name. You think back to guys like Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, and even Jason Statham: For western audiences, their martial arts prowess WAS the draw of their eras of movies. You don't really see that anymore.
Off the top of my head, Iko Uwais, Yahya Ruhian, Joe Taslim, especially Iko, are amazing to watch, Lewis Tan, great fighter, has a terrible agent who doesn't get him roles he can shine in. Daniel Wu and Scott Adkins, however, should be kega stars by now. I absolutely love Scott Adkins and think he has such a great knowledge of the field and respect for its performers. I really wish them success. Daniel Wu has tried to revitalize the genre with a Western twist with Into the Badlands ( incredibly underrated in terms of fights) and American Born Chinese (decent fights, worst wigs I've seen on a series since Jupiter Rising). Lastly, there's the series based on Bruce Lee's original idea (that became Kung Fu) Warrior that has some good action scenes as well. Star is a chap called Andrew Koji. All the above people should be bigger stars than they are now but aren't, well, because of what was discussed. I.e. studios want franchises. I would argue that the reason the studio execs want franchises is that, they're playing it safe, they want something that they think is guaranteed. Why? I'd reckon its because of the insanely high cost of movies these days. Making movies is essentially a gamble. If, for example, The Marvels doesn't make, say 800 million dollars, then its considered a failure and a loss for the studio. Since the stakes are so high, all the execs want to "play it safe" essentially and opt for the franchises since they can't be seen as having lost hundreds of millions of money for the company. And the cycle just continues. There are obvious exceptions to this but I think the general thinking is as above.
I can’t remember the name of it but was was an old movie and the hero had to used magnets to fight a guy who was unbeatable with a sword…wish I knew the name
With the kind of innovations we have done in film technology, visual effects masking stunt doubles, natural action skills have sadly become irrelevant in the film industry.
Honestly, it kinda seems like superstars themselves are becoming a thing of the past. Now all stars are kinda niche as we just have more of a variety of things today. Like, when I think of superstars, they're all old if not dead.
The closest thing we have to one today is Scott Adkins and a few hot stunt girls who can fight, flip and take hits. I think the main reason, they won't be any new martial art/stunt superstars is ... Lawyers. It's too much liability to do hardcore stunts. Too much liability means, too much money at stake, so the film industry won't invest that much money on it unless it's an established superstar, and established superstars are like 60 years old. Nobody was worrying about getting sued back when Jackie Chan and his stunt team were improvising how to crash thru glass and fire. We just need more viral videos w/ young dudes, brave enough to do death defying stunts w/o scientology money, and hot girls willing to fight and take hits w/o the temptation of starting Onlyfans.
another sad part is the most Movies /Tv Shows nowadays are simply not watchable, because there arent really good stories. And if there is a beloved franchise then big studios buy it off and ruin it. Pretty sure we will see it happen to Daredevil. The cameo he had in the aweful shehulk. All his Movements were animated. It looked really crappy.
Sooner or later, someday , somewhere , a modern day Bruce Lee will emerge. A larger than life force of nature with BOTH skill AND charisma like no other. ….When that day comes, these hokey , unrealistic , CGI , ‘ video game ‘ like fights will THEMSELVES become a thing of the past ! ….. That special person is out there somewhere. … I can’t wait to see who he OR she is ! 🥋🎭-⭐️
tumbling, climbing, leaping, jumping............. is parkour the official name for all these things now? Cause its getting ridiculous when im watching any reaction channel and someone jumps over a wall or jumps from one roof to another. They're always calling it parkour
Martial art movies are decline in Asia too thank to K drama movies Korean cinema don't focus on Action or martial arts which make them very unique. Hey Hollywood it self is also declining industry.
I kinda agree with jaby, but john wick for example has a pretty basic ridiculous plot. So it isn't the lack of a good story that's the problem. So I agree with the fact of hollywood becoming more superherofied and boring. Marvel was good till about phase 3, then it sucked and by then the wider hollywood was franchising itself off to ape it. Lorena is a great guest though she talks a bit much haha, though I like it, she doesn't mean to do it on purpose, she just seems honest and passionate.
The current superstars, Jackie Chan, Donny Yen, etc. have sold their souls to the CCP. So as far as why no more foreign superstars? Maybe it's for the better.
interesting video but i disagree with its take. superhero movies and a lack of original ideas didnt kill the martial arts action star in hollywood. it was the matrix. that filmed showed studios you can take actors with no martial art expertise and train them. so why hire scott adkins (in their mind) when they can get (insert name of popular actor) and train them for a few months just like the matrix
They are to a degree. Tony Jaa isn't the household name that guys like Jackie Chan or Jet Li were back in the 2000s. Martial Arts movies aren't a draw now, like they were in the 90s and 2000s. As great as those films are, they're not huge hits at the moment.
Sry but I hope it's time for Indian martial artist like vidyut jamwal or tiger Shroff but they need to promote kalaripayattu...which vidyut is doing i hope he gets the recognition...
Film industries have become so afraid of a flop, they've made more flops than ever. Film is an art form that needs to breath, and they are strangling Film makers.
Lorena was knowledgable and well-spoken. Great guest
I bet she can pull off a nice flying headscissor. That's wifey materiel
Lorena needs to be in more reactions!
As a kid I loved watching all those martial arts movies like 'Kid with the Golden Arm', 'Deadly Silver Spear' and many others, they were fascinating for me!
Great video - Lorena is an excellent guest - she's fearless and incisive w her commentary, and it's exciting to have someone else so versed in stunts and fight choreography connecting w this channel - yes, I agree w this concern about the decline of original material, and its impact on the role of movie stars, etc - well articulated here - my favorite martial arts films include Ashes of Time, Hero, Crouching Tiger, Atomic Blonde, Raid 2, Bride w White Hair, Villainess, Saur Sepuh, Warrior vs Ninja, Dragon Princess
Recent Netflix Korean action series: 'My Name', 'All Of Us Are Dead', 'Sweet Home', most recently 'Bloodhounds'. Some of the best action scenes out there. Are the stars transitioning to Hollywood? No because the usual pattern is come to Hollywood, make one film, then be forgotten. The alternative is to stay home, have a long successful career.
The most successful martial arts stars also have something that's popularly associated w/ them that makes them stand out. Bruce Lee was for those looking for a serious & authentic fighter, Jackie Chan was for audiences who love comedy & stunt work, Jet Li was for people who appreciate fantastical & special effects-filled choreography, Chow Yun-fat presented firearms as an extension of kung fu, Michelle Yeoh satiated the hunger for badass heroines in the genre, etc... As incredibly talented Donnie Yen, Tony Jaa, & Iko Uwais are, they're mostly associated w/ certain fighting styles: Wing Chun, Muay Boran, Pencak Silat, etc...Not to say that they don't display any other skills, but perhaps most of those have already been covered by the superstars that came before them. Casual viewers like to simplify what they're gonna get from certain action stars. That's why Bruceploitation damaged most careers that took part in it.
Cynthia Rothrock and Scott Adkins had a serious discussion about the lack of true action movies and lack of original ideas. They mentioned the ability of editors and cinematographers knowing the tricks of making an actor with no real fighting experience look like they do. Michael Jai White even mentioned this before in an interview. And folks want ridiculous shots and moves now, most of which are not truly realistic (and don't care). Plus as a screenwriter, I concur with Loren, it has been this way for decades, nothing original gets greenlit unless a big name actor signs on or puts capital or equity behind it, even then, it has to make a profit. Also complex characters are not always compelling, society has abandoned a lot of complexities of life, for simple rules and laws.
Yo !
Always great to see Lorena crashing by your channel ! That was a fantastic discussion ! I love her take on the entire martial arts movie industry, and yes, sadly, we don't make them like we used to, because HOLLYWOOD only banks on franchises and known IPs anymore.
Also, not surprising but YES ! She's also a big fan of Everything Everywhere, and Martial Club !
And that's AWESOME !
Also, it would be hilarious if, after her comments on BATMAN 30 , she actually lands a gig on the next Batman, spending the whole production praying Matt Reeves or James Gunn never finds this vid ^^
Lorena is the first guest I've seen who is so well versed in industry knowledge and is not afraid of speaking against the negative aspects of the industry in which she herself is working in. I feel like most californians don't speak their mind due to fear of being cancelled.
I seriously forgot how much fun I had watching Shang-Chi
If possible, please have more of this stuff with her as the guest :) Very cool with reactions where you have a pro there reacting with you. Not that I dislike the straight-up reactions at all. They made me sub. It is a nice change if sprinkled in here and there. Just my 2 cents. Also, thanks for the great video!
I grew up watching action martial art movies in the 80's and 90's I said to myself there is no original stories and new cast people
Favorite movie: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Makes me sad that the mainstream doesnt care about these movies anymore but Im glad we have so many ways to still find quality content these days.
Yeah you do need a good story to draw many people in. The last big US produced thing I've seen without a big actor and had martial arts was 'Into The Badlands'.
Also Warrior
There was a chance to introduce a martial arts superstar with Shang Chi but Simu Lui just doesn't have the same charisma or quality that these past action stars had.
Simu is not an out and out martial artist. He has some martial arts training but he is an actor first and martial artist second. People like Tony Jaa, Donny Yen and Jet Li are practicing and dedicated martial artists first and transitioned into acting.
Let's see what the future holds for the Le bros from Martial Club. They are popping up more and more left right and center, recently (Shang Chi, EEAAO, American Born Chinese...)
Simu liu is not a martial artist, he's an actor that trained to do martial arts for the movie.
@@neurometrik Aside from that. Simu Liu was mimicking Jackie Chan. All the martial arts superstars had their own characteristics.
@@neurometrik Would Andrew Koji count as a legitimate martial artist?
Jackie chan my favorite actor
I'm surprised they didn't mention Shang Chi, I know its a superhero movie but I think it was really refreshing to see martial arts in a mainstream movie again and its widely considered one of the best movies of phase four of Marvel. I love Romeo Must Die, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers and Forbidden Kingdom cause it brought two of my faves togetha with Jackie Chan and Jet Li.
The Raid 1 and 2 set the bar for martial arts movies, yet there hasn’t been a movie with similar choreography to this day. What a shame
Finally a Lorena video. 😍
One of the earliest movies I remember seeing all on my own (I think I was about 9 then) was Jackie Chan's Project A-II. He seemed like an impossibility at that time... the speed, the stunts, the charisma, and the humor. I'd seen only one Bruce Lee movie back then and he had seemed all serious, but here was a guy who was like a superhero but could make me laugh!
Oh, and speaking of Bruce Lee, a few years ago, I watched a Thai movie starring an unknown face... someone named Tony Jaa. The movie was Ong-Baak. I went back to watch that movie twice again, and the end of the movie saw a standing ovation from the audience all three times. This was in a small theatre in an Indian metropolis.
Jet Li will, of course, Wong Fei Hong in the 'Once Upon a Time in China' series, although I've watched his other Chinese and American films, and have never been disappointed.
What a great guest!
Jaden Smith could be insane if he keep up with martial-arts after filming Karate Kid.
Yep
😂 He became more of a joke now
Especially if Jackie Chan did get to adopt him as he once offered the Smiths.
Warrior Season 3 just came out
Hey guys, This was a Great reaction!!!! An Welcome to Loren ❤ Smart! Cute! An that Smile😍 Plus your a stunt double in the big screen!!! If I were 38yrs younger I would chase you till you dropped.. Picked you up an took you home to meet my Mom!! But in a good way.. Not creepy or nothing. 😁 Anyway Ima so glad y'all are doing this genre, I to Love these kind of movies.. I grew up watching ..Kung fu theatre, black belt theatre on Saturday's morning's. I would go outside after it was over go outside ( with a bunch of friends) an we would kick an punch each other till we couldn't stand up anymore. An Iam just wondering why someone hasn't asked Loren to star in a film. No kidding with her background.. Man someone will notice you be patient. They all can't be blind😂. Ok back on topic.. Movies like those an Bruce Lee of course is the reason I started Martial Arts in1974 an still study to this day. Iam
68yrs young an iam definitely in that small club that Jaby was talking about. Please do more of these in the future. Really Great show. An PLEASE have Loren back she's Amazing😎 Peace✌
Lorena is a great guest, very knowledgeable about her profession , dont forget Donnie Yen in Blade 2 back in 2002 .
Buster Keaton is the Godfather of Parkour. Dang nab it.
I hope rumored Rush Hour 4 does well and keep the Martial Art train going
Dude jackie chan is like 70 now I think he's pretty much retired
@@jamesmcgee1566He has retired just recently.
More reaction about Martial Arts, Stunts and Parkour with Lorena, please.
The Chinese Connection & Tiger and the Eagle Claw are my favorite Kung Fu movies
Huge fan of the OG's: Jackie Chan, Jet Lee, Bruce Lee, Donnie Yen and Michelle Yeoh
also there's a trend in hollywood of flash cuts editing where non-martial artist actors are providing the illusion that they can fight. the biggest early example of this was the bourne series. to the untrained eye, most audience viewers can't tell the difference from real martial artists on screen from the actors (and most probably wouldn't care). you're right about the bottomline: 1) have an interesting story, and 2) have compelling characters for the audience to become emotionally invested in. if a film has these two critical elements, people will even watch bad action.
Tony jaa was the last real martial arts star or they tried to anyway lol. We’re kind of past the days of stars in general selling movies much less martial arts stars which is sad .
Lorena is dropping nothing but facts, here.
the old move it's my favorite
Had so much fun to see Jackie chan movies
I'm in my forties. Bruce Lee died before I was born. Yet, it feels like we lost him last year. Legendary.
She looks like darla from the 90s 'Little Rascals' film crossed with the amazing Tatiana Maslani. With hints of Jenna Ortega.
Informative and confident to boot.
Always a Bruce Lee fan even I’ve born years after he have died.
I love Martial Arts movies but there is also the problem that some martial arts movies have horrible martial arts action. I personally have rewatched movies that I used to love when I was a kid and now I realize that the martial art in those was BS. Flash Point with Donnie Yen is my reference for great martial arts action, but it lacks a compelling plot.
I strongly agree with Jaby's sentiment that you need a great story and an actor with a great stage presence, for people to take notice of great action. I always have been an action fan , I grew up watching a lot of Chinese kung fu cinema (Asian movies where more previlant here in Europe in these days, than they where in the US back then), all the Chacky Chan and Brue Lee movies I could get my hands on and all the Van Damme and Lundgren movies and I loved them. But perception and audiance expectations change and evolve, in the 80s great stunts where enough, but today it is no longer, for a wider audience). We never had such an amount of choice in what we watch and if we do not like a movie or series, we can simply switch to something else, thus the bar for a movie to break the mold has risen substentially. Another factor is, that in an enviroment where you have hundrets or thousands of movies to choose from at any given time, these choices are overwhelming, which benefits established names. When you see a name or a face, that you know and liked in a previous movie, attatched to a project you instinctivly see it as a garant for something worthwhile and so you are much more likely to engage with it.
I would count IP Man as an estabilshed asian franchise in Europe, it is pretty widely known and so is Donny Yen in genral.
Favorit Martial Arts movie: ... that is a tough one, I would choose "Project A" for it's stunts and humor, "Hero" and "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" for their esthetics and the John Wick movies for their choreography.
The Western also died from the mainstream. These things are good for hipsters. You get your own little niche. Horror was never mainstream but it lives on. Martial Arts movies need to think along those lines and find their loyal audience like Horror did.
Heroes of the East rules. The trilogly to watch is 36 Chambers, 8 Diagram Pole Fighter and Heroes of the East simply because of the quality of that time.
The art of action martia art movies is all but gradually a dieing form of art
I'd love to see some Asian-Americans make this happen. Simu Liu (I consider Asian-Canadians to essentially be Asian-American mostly) has demonstrated that he has the chops to do martial arts on film. Lucy Liu has shown she can direct with American Born Chinese, and I'm sure she could still act and do some action in front of the camera too still.
Former parkour instructor here. The parkour lady is incorrect about the history of parkour.
Parkour was inspired by Georges Hérbert's Méthode Naturelle (back in the early 1900s), not Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan's action sequence style was itself inspired by Buster Keaton. The Yamakasi group was led by one David Belle. David Belle's father, Raymond Belle, was a fire-fighter who had used Méthode Naturelle's teachings to develop a new training regime for navigating verticality in urban environments. David Belle was taught Méthode Naturelle by his father and developed what we know of as parkour today, named after Parcours du Combattant.
Some of Jackie Chan's vaulting style was heavily influenced by Buster Keaton, who himself was influenced by circus acrobats. Any resemblance between Jackie Chan's movement style to parkour is coincidental and simply the result of separate disciplines evolving in parallel across time. (For example, Buster Keaton once performed a vault that is very similar to what is known as a "kong vault" in British parkour schools.) This happens often in martial arts.
In short, what Jackie Chan does is use improvisational techniques to fight or scale obstacles. Parkour is about the systematic and methodical training of moving from A to B as efficiently and safely as possible. They are similar, but it doesn't mean one was inspired by the other. If you look at all the fundamental parkour techniques, you can easily trace them back to basic Méthode Naturelle movements, predating Jackie Chan by half a century.
Make a video on how deewar movie changed the action genre in world cinema. How it influenced Asian movies and hollywood..how it influenced the current action movies in the world. How brothers, a better tomorrow was influenced by it and which in turn influenced reservoir dogs and John wick, and all action movies
I mean, there are like 4 people in HBO's Warrior itself, that could potentially be martial arts stars
nah, look from the cast of Cobra Kai to Scott Adkins
Cobra Kai barely counts... As great as Scott Adkins is, he's not a household name. You think back to guys like Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, and even Jason Statham: For western audiences, their martial arts prowess WAS the draw of their eras of movies. You don't really see that anymore.
Cobra kai is not mainstream
Off the top of my head, Iko Uwais, Yahya Ruhian, Joe Taslim, especially Iko, are amazing to watch, Lewis Tan, great fighter, has a terrible agent who doesn't get him roles he can shine in.
Daniel Wu and Scott Adkins, however, should be kega stars by now. I absolutely love Scott Adkins and think he has such a great knowledge of the field and respect for its performers. I really wish them success. Daniel Wu has tried to revitalize the genre with a Western twist with Into the Badlands ( incredibly underrated in terms of fights) and American Born Chinese (decent fights, worst wigs I've seen on a series since Jupiter Rising).
Lastly, there's the series based on Bruce Lee's original idea (that became Kung Fu) Warrior that has some good action scenes as well. Star is a chap called Andrew Koji.
All the above people should be bigger stars than they are now but aren't, well, because of what was discussed. I.e. studios want franchises.
I would argue that the reason the studio execs want franchises is that, they're playing it safe, they want something that they think is guaranteed. Why? I'd reckon its because of the insanely high cost of movies these days. Making movies is essentially a gamble. If, for example, The Marvels doesn't make, say 800 million dollars, then its considered a failure and a loss for the studio.
Since the stakes are so high, all the execs want to "play it safe" essentially and opt for the franchises since they can't be seen as having lost hundreds of millions of money for the company. And the cycle just continues.
There are obvious exceptions to this but I think the general thinking is as above.
snake in the eagles shadow and then drunken master. made it into a tekken character
I love Snake In The Monkeys Shadow
I can’t remember the name of it but was was an old movie and the hero had to used magnets to fight a guy who was unbeatable with a sword…wish I knew the name
Jaby, do you do tongue push up?😂
On my god me watching the words fully and listening carefully we need she
To be fair, she could be the stunt performer for Catwoman in Batman 30...
With the kind of innovations we have done in film technology, visual effects masking stunt doubles, natural action skills have sadly become irrelevant in the film industry.
Why everyone is more smarter than Jaby ? Or he loves to pretend 🙈😂
Korean movies have been getting so good they're better than some of ours even.
Jackie Chan (five fingers of death) or the ip man prequel.
Honestly, it kinda seems like superstars themselves are becoming a thing of the past. Now all stars are kinda niche as we just have more of a variety of things today. Like, when I think of superstars, they're all old if not dead.
Bruce Lee 🔥🔥🔥🔥
America Chavez one day stunt double has more fans in India than America Chavez herself.
Jackie chan iconic comedy kungu fu master
You have to agree that you gotta take people like Vidyut Jammwal & Zhenwei Wang soon
I miss ninjas and want to see something about them based historically. We already had the campy stuff that made them a joke.
Jackie chan legend of mungu fu
The closest thing we have to one today is Scott Adkins and a few hot stunt girls who can fight, flip and take hits. I think the main reason, they won't be any new martial art/stunt superstars is ... Lawyers. It's too much liability to do hardcore stunts. Too much liability means, too much money at stake, so the film industry won't invest that much money on it unless it's an established superstar, and established superstars are like 60 years old. Nobody was worrying about getting sued back when Jackie Chan and his stunt team were improvising how to crash thru glass and fire.
We just need more viral videos w/ young dudes, brave enough to do death defying stunts w/o scientology money, and hot girls willing to fight and take hits w/o the temptation of starting Onlyfans.
Warrior series is good
Nobody was so damn good
how about Tony Ja in XXX
Jackie Chan 🔥🔥💯💯🔥🔥
another sad part is the most Movies /Tv Shows nowadays are simply not watchable, because there arent really good stories. And if there is a beloved franchise then big studios buy it off and ruin it. Pretty sure we will see it happen to Daredevil. The cameo he had in the aweful shehulk. All his Movements were animated. It looked really crappy.
deym Lorena is smart
I had such a massive crush on Cynthia as a kid man I am old man,😟
Tony Jaa was the next big thing and it went nowhere sadly. Donnie Yen was a legend long before he broke into America.
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❤Jackie 🔥
still want scott adkins as johny cage instead of karl urban
Sooner or later, someday , somewhere , a modern day Bruce Lee will emerge. A larger than life force of nature with BOTH skill AND charisma like no other. ….When that day comes, these hokey , unrealistic , CGI , ‘ video game ‘ like fights will THEMSELVES become a thing of the past ! ….. That special person is out there somewhere. … I can’t wait to see who he OR she is ! 🥋🎭-⭐️
tumbling, climbing, leaping, jumping............. is parkour the official name for all these things now? Cause its getting ridiculous when im watching any reaction channel and someone jumps over a wall or jumps from one roof to another. They're always calling it parkour
That what parkour is " the skill to get from point a to point b
shang chi ? a new attempt?
Leave Achara alone!!!! 😩😭😭😭
Chow Yun Fat is not a martial arts superstar
I want vidyut jammwal to be next jackie chan.
Wow, Lorena is really cute (still wouldn't wish to be on her bad side).
Nimbuda nimbuda nimbuda
Simply put the interest for martial art movies is fading from audience & contribute to movie makers take less interest creating one.
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I hate that Japanese don't produce many Karate movies.
Martial art movies are decline in Asia too thank to K drama movies Korean cinema don't focus on Action or martial arts which make them very unique. Hey Hollywood it self is also declining industry.
No it's not, Cynthia Rothrock is STILL making movies
I kinda agree with jaby, but john wick for example has a pretty basic ridiculous plot. So it isn't the lack of a good story that's the problem. So I agree with the fact of hollywood becoming more superherofied and boring. Marvel was good till about phase 3, then it sucked and by then the wider hollywood was franchising itself off to ape it.
Lorena is a great guest though she talks a bit much haha, though I like it, she doesn't mean to do it on purpose, she just seems honest and passionate.
The current superstars, Jackie Chan, Donny Yen, etc. have sold their souls to the CCP.
So as far as why no more foreign superstars?
Maybe it's for the better.
Jet Li will always be over Donnie Yen and Jackie Chan first
interesting video but i disagree with its take. superhero movies and a lack of original ideas didnt kill the martial arts action star in hollywood. it was the matrix. that filmed showed studios you can take actors with no martial art expertise and train them. so why hire scott adkins (in their mind) when they can get (insert name of popular actor) and train them for a few months just like the matrix
No it's not.. Have u seen a Tony Jaa movie? Or the movie "The Raid"
They are to a degree. Tony Jaa isn't the household name that guys like Jackie Chan or Jet Li were back in the 2000s. Martial Arts movies aren't a draw now, like they were in the 90s and 2000s. As great as those films are, they're not huge hits at the moment.
You missed rrr it is an action film and also Asian film sooooo
Sry but I hope it's time for Indian martial artist like vidyut jamwal or tiger Shroff but they need to promote kalaripayattu...which vidyut is doing i hope he gets the recognition...
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Film industries have become so afraid of a flop, they've made more flops than ever. Film is an art form that needs to breath, and they are strangling Film makers.