Multiculturalism and Lessons From the Rwandan Genocide
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- The Michael Shermer Show # 396
As it absorbs record numbers of new immigrants, the U.S. faces critical questions: is it better to promote a unifying, shared identity that transcends ethnic differences or to foster a multicultural salad of distinct group identities? Is it better to minimize ethnic distinctions or to accentuate them with diversity initiatives and ethnic preferences? Out of the Melting Pot, Into the Fire takes a global, historical perspective to address these questions, examining how societies, from ancient Rome to modern Rwanda, have dealt with them. It provides essential analysis and data for America and other countries that are contemplating an increasingly multiethnic future.
Shermer and Heycke discuss: • melting pots • culture • multiculturalism • identity politics • cancel culture • cultural appropriation • Critical Race Theory • Affirmative Action • why group preferences tend to last forever • human nature and factionalism • how official recognition and group preferences exacerbate group divisiveness • how group identification is fluid and contextual
Jens Heycke was educated in Economics and Near Eastern Studies at the University of Chicago, the London School of Economics, and Princeton University. He worked as an executive in several technology startups, including one that created the first Internet mobile phone. Since retiring from high tech, he has worked as an independent researcher and writer on culture and ethnic conflict, conducting field research around the world, from Bosnia to Botswana. He is the author of Out of the Melting Pot, Into the Fire: Multiculturalism in the World’s Past and America’s Future.
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This is a great and timely podcast. My family came from Italy and Ireland on my father's side and Mexico on my mother's side. The American melting pot works -- at least it will until multiculturalism destroys it. Then, as this guest says, we will look like Rwanda.
I already got the book. It's probably the best indictment of affirmative action and DEI since Tom Sowell's "Affirmative Action Around the World"
I met the author in Santa Barbara. This is an interesting book that covers a lot more than Rwanda. Some interesting stuff about Roman and Aztec history, as well as Sri Lanka and Botswana. I highly recommend it.
Shermer gets some great guests on his show, and Jancke is among his best. This book he wrote is as important as any written in the past decade regarding our current cultural woes.
I remember being in school and our teacher showed us "Hotel Rwanda", but I think I didn't fully understand it then. This discussion provided a lot of helpful context. Thank you both. :)
Really great podcast, as always -- and great book. Highlights the stupidity and the extreme danger of govt. programs that divide/distinguish people by group.
I enjoy Michael Shermer's content. Always much to learn. He asks good questions and chooses interesting guests.
Imagine: indoctrinating kids with the idea that one group of people are "privileged" oppressors and the other are oppressed leads to group violence (and genocide). Who woulda thunk it?
The lessons are obvious, It's a sad comment on our times that they have to be spelled out -- and people still don't get it.
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
There's only moderate peace because the economy hasn't crashed(yet).
Hey Mr Shermer, big fan of the pod. Just want to point out that the clock in the bottom right corner of the thumbnail for all (or most?) of your videos seems to block out the names of all (most?) of your guests. Dont get me wrong, the style is great. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
Again, big fan, from St John's, Newfoundland. Cheers!
Rwanda sounds like it was a case of sneeches on the beaches. Some sneeches were better than others. Rwanda is now the first country in the world to ban plastic bags. Brilliant podcast
Really great interview and great guest with lots of background I never knew before.
Listened to the podcast and found it very interesting but kept wondering, with Shermer being heavily on the libertarian side, when that shoe was going to drop. Sure enough Heycke makes the comment near the end that "socialism" combined with high cultural diversity is almost always a recipe for disaster. I found that to be shockingly sloppy on an intellectual level and it begs for counterexamples, of which there are many; so many in fact that I question how he could possibly have come to such an astonishingly un-nuanced conclusion and state it as fact without, obviously, having studied it in detail or even attempting a definition of socialism, which seems important since no successful society has ever lacked both socialist and market-based distribution mechanisms.
I found myself in strong agreement with most of the rest, and learned a lot, especially some of the details of the genocide in Rwanda, which only confirms how easy it is, under the right conditions, to lead people to believe and to act on even the vilest possible prejudices.
I also found myself nodding along until the end when he said "socialism is always a recipe for disaster, it only works in Scandinavia because they're so homogenous."
It seems that the speaker equates socialism with communism with authoritarianism.
Socialism works in Scandinavia but they are by no means authoritarian societies. Quite the reverse, they are high functioning democratic societies and the socialism aspect is not the government dictating people's lives but rather providing basic welfare and safety nets. Americans seems to spook at the word socialism as if it were a bogeyman from a nightmare when what they're actually afraid of is authoritarianism. Socialism is Europe means something else entirely.
Very important!
Dear Dr. Shermer, when are you going to interview Victor Davis Hanson? If never, why not? Thanks.
Thank you. A good tutorial we
all need to pivot. 47:15
We all know that the reasons for disparities between races today have little to do with racism. Pretending that they do will never solve the problems, which is what we're doing now.
O my god. When he said that culture is a set symbols I immediately thought of how I held my Christmas around symbols from my danish roots.
Great, thanks!
I wonder about Burundi.
I thought this was interesting. I agree that there are problems with both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives don't want their white protestant dream world changed, as evident by such insanity as "white replacement theory" and liberals divide too much, with the "Taco Tuesday is cultural appropriation" example being a good one. Like Heycke notes, if we concentrate on the problems, such as poverty, we will help everyone that needs help, and that will disproportionately help minorities. But it will also help anyone else that needs it without the need to divide.
Does hating oneself lead to peaceful coexistence?
Great question!
Shermer needs to have Alex Jones on
Stop with woke bs.
🏳️🌈 our greatest weakness
I would like to hear from a psychologist why people tend to find a scapegoat in all settings.
People still have a tribal mind and blaming the out group is easy. The time frame or reason does not matter. Gay, democrats, witches, jews,... There will always be scapegoats.
why was most of the interview deleted?
The Rwandese hutu/tutsi assimilation model might solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
This guy sounds like Nicholas Cage
He seemed so credible - up until he dropped "Laninx". Dude, you're done.
I think "La Tinks" is supremely funny. It emphasizes the absurdity of a term that elite academics love, but most Hispanic people have never heard of before.
I had the same reaction, when he started with the mexican food I knew where this was going. Nothing smart was going to be said afterwards, and nothing did.
This guy is a joke
Why do you say that?
Capitulation isn't moral.@@NomDeGuerre96
Ridiculus
How so?
You're the ridiculous one if you spell it 'ridiculus'