As much as I love retro computers, man I am just glad things "just work" these days. I hated dealing with crap like this back in the day. Hell, even installing linux is easy these days.
for me having to tinker with retro pc's is actually a welcome change, scratching that everlasting itch of wanting to mess around with computers again :)
This is my favorite of your videos because this is the authentic Windows 98 experience and we all spent so many nights trouble shooting these dammed machines back then lmao
Yasin_RGG90 I’ve been looking for ages gut it seems like they’ve just disappeared... all the sites that were selling them don’t sell the any more... real shame because I really really want one of these too
This is by far my fav video. It reminds me of the days I had problems similar to yours. I also like that you include the mishaps. Makes it Māori interesting.
love the content.. takes me back to all the struggles of pc techs back then. loading cd rom drivers was a real thing back in the day. i remember loading drivers, powering down, installing hardware, booting back up. Only to get errors.
the 4disc drive is impressive tech. Your multi 5.25 bay has an ide header!? two things i've never seen before. love the old school full tower full of drives. the craziest i ever got back in the master/slave ide days was 2 dvdr, a cdr and 3 hdd's. copying dvds on the fly without dumping an image first saved so much time.
I love videos of other people suffering through troubleshooting it is very comforting to know I am not the only one that has hardware treating me like I am stupid.
EpicLPer Do not talk to those who decide things purely on a personal subjective basis, rather than just merely havng a sense of taste. These sort of people take things incredibly personal, and as such, won't easily listen to those who'd say otherwise.
PCing 30 years ago looks way more frustrating that it's now. If I were a teen at the time I'd have a cheap computer (if needed for some work) and, separately, a console or two. It's incredible to think that PC technology made giant leaps from 1990 to 2000.
@@unchi1999 I am not engaging with you. I currently have a Pentium2 PC AND am doing Linux stuff separately too. Compared to even just the Windows XP era both hardware and software are not for the average people. MOST bought a computer done and used it until the caked dust burnt them.
@@Italian_Isaac_Clarke Dude why did you just say "I am not engaging with you" I just don't get it here. You know that was rude and uncalled for to say and also the most ridiculous thing you ever said, right? 🤦♂️
If you installed the DOS CD driver in win98/95's DOS mode, not only would it do what it's supposed to, it would also work especially in certain times such as during the 2nd phase of installation. However, it will be ignored when booting in safe mode.
You seem to have 2 phantom CD drives at 7:51 (the Compaq and the Lite-On), Windows 98 used to do that sort of thing, try deleting them, and do look through your Autoexec.bat and Config.sys, since that's what the setup program modified (maybe there's 2 clashing CD drivers). Also, this longer format with the troubleshooting left in is great, though I enjoyed the shorter version as well.
I can surely atest @ 0:30 , i purchased WIN95 when it came out and it was on fourteen 3.5'' floppy disks... inconvinient and dead in the water for sure if just any one of those disks had failed.
I bought that 4yrs ago on Amazon. Unfortunately I can't find it for sale anywhere now. It is very convenient. The SD card slot has been giving me problems recently, but other than that it's been great. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0094PI0GI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I immediately went hunting for this, I'm thinking I'm going to have to get one of the sata ones, and hack an IDE port into it via an USB 2 IDE drive enclosure kit.
I loved that drive when I owned it. Was great for accessing multiple things when archiving stuff on disks. It was a shame it didn’t really work past 98 (might have worked on 2000), but any further only read the first slot :(
I did not think that was going to work. I remember long ago getting two CD-ROM drives and trying to install games without the disc swap and finding the installers would only look on the drive they found first. It was devastating after buying a second drive essentially to ease installing tonnes of games haha. Very cool seeing it finally work for someone.
That would work well if the game(s) were installed via Windows Installer, as it usually checks other available optical drives for discs that are needed.
This looks like the CD changer we used for testing "Pathways Through Jerusalem", which came on two CDs (the disks contained the content). The sound of it seems the same as I remember.
I bought one those back in the day from Computer Center in my town, it was great back then. I used to hate chasing ghosts in the machines though... brings back the memories.
i noticed that the driver for the cd changer was complaining about not finding any drives, which makes me wonder if the bios for this machine has some sort of issue with the cd changer or something maybe?
Please full details on the machine you were using the backup that drive operating system configuration what's all in it all the hardware video bike if there is one please
Such a shame you didn't discover single drive mode. No idea how it works in 98 and even on 95 it's weird to install but it's great fun once you do. Absolutely pointless to fuck around with the drivers for this outside of single drive mode though. It supports any driver that does multiple SCSI LUN's in a single channel over ATAPI, for four drive mode, including the standard 98 CD driver.
I remember X-Plane 9 from Laminar Research founder, Austin Meyer, came on 8 DVDs. Yes, that's DVDs, not CDs! 1 DVD was for the program, and 7 DVDs was for the world scenery.
Could it be failing caps on the motherboard? This mobo; the ECS K7S5A, was made in the middle of the Capacitor plague era. Check for "domed" caps or check them on an ESR meter. If there are shitty Taiwanese caps on there, especially in the power filtering area around the CPU, then swap them out. They've, most likely, started to go bad.
While I have no problem getting into the nitty gritty(Here I repair my ESR meter: th-cam.com/video/pkbOTBbFplo/w-d-xo.html ) I have no attachment to this motherboard. If it's bad I'm just going to take it to my garage , torch it with a heat gun, and whack it on the ground to get off any useful parts. I have a perfectly suitable 1.4GHz P4 CPU/MOBO combo waiting for a reason to find it's way into this computer. I don't think this motherboard has any redeeming qualities that would make it worth saving. It's best feature to me is that it is already in the computer.
Возможно ответ о причинах проблем с ошибкой защиты Windows в комментариях уже есть, но напишу еще раз. Windows 98 без проблем работает при объеме RAM - 512 Mb, обычно не вызывает проблем наличие 768 Mb, но с 1 Gb RAM почти всегда есть проблемы. То есть проблема - не в устройствах, а в слишком большом количестве RAM. (Perhaps the answer about the causes of problems with the Windows protection error is already in the comments, but I will write again. Windows 98 works without problems with RAM - 512 Mb, usually 768 Mb does not cause problems, but with 1 Gb of RAM there are almost always problems. That is, the problem is not in the devices, but in too much RAM.)
It's been a long time since I use Windows 95 or 98 but there was a way to boot in verbose mode without the splash screen to see where it was hanging at.
I was just installing drivers on my Win98 machine while watching this video in the background and got stuck at the same screen “windows protection”. Ended up reinstalling everything from scratch.
You'll probably want to go for the DVD (or digital) versions for Riven/Exile. Riven in fact was one of the first DVD-ROM pieces of software available, with it coming in 1998.
Now that I think about it, if the change from 3.5" floppies to CDs was 486x, maybe it increased 486x because of 486 processors. Am I overthinking it? Most likely. Is it a coincidence? Again, most likely, but I'd like to believe that's the reason why
i would kill for that 5.25″ Media Dashboard but i've only seen them on alliexpress and i am not trusting that for 33 bucks. If I knew it worked for Zip Drives, maybe worth it. I had to order 2 IDE to PCI and one IDE/SATA/eSATA to PCIe cards to find out which works.. happened to be the PCI version , an Allytech GP1251, and it had to have a VIA VT6410 chipset
I had this drive but it wasn't as good as you might think. Windows still saw them each as individual drives and you couldn't just go from one disc to the next in a multidisc game since they were on their own drive letters.
I just use bigger harddrives and a USB 2.0 attached external for disc images. Granted any image over the FAT32 limit for DVDs I am going have to break down and use the optical drive for but VirtualDisc Drives are the way to go for me. I have no Nostalgia for swapping Optical discs. Now cartridges I do so Flashdrives and with hotswap bays swapping harddrives at a time feels a lot more satisfying.
i try that before but instead of using multiple cd roms i install daemon tools or virtual cd rom rip my multidisc softwares and mount it on virtual cd rom
ah the good ole Maxtor DM Plus 8. I've had tons of these that died to firmware corruption and headcrashes. Definitey not maxtor's best product (like any of them actually were)
And now for the thrilling conclusion: th-cam.com/video/gH2qQf3G4nI/w-d-xo.html
I love that you posted a link to the conclusion in the original video you sir have earned 200 Kewl points in my book.
I have that maxtor drive it died then started working again
As much as I love retro computers, man I am just glad things "just work" these days. I hated dealing with crap like this back in the day. Hell, even installing linux is easy these days.
Yup, that’s technology for you. Crazy how far we’ve come since the 98 days.
for me having to tinker with retro pc's is actually a welcome change, scratching that everlasting itch of wanting to mess around with computers again :)
This is my favorite of your videos because this is the authentic Windows 98 experience and we all spent so many nights trouble shooting these dammed machines back then lmao
Where can I get one of those 5.25 Media Dashboards? All the I/O you'd ever need in one handy dandy unit!
Yasin_RGG90 I’ve been looking for ages gut it seems like they’ve just disappeared... all the sites that were selling them don’t sell the any more... real shame because I really really want one of these too
@@TheButtercoolSame, I see a bunch with SATA, but I need the IDE one in my life.
@@TechTimeWithEric bro use a edaptor
This is by far my fav video. It reminds me of the days I had problems similar to yours. I also like that you include the mishaps. Makes it Māori interesting.
love the content.. takes me back to all the struggles of pc techs back then. loading cd rom drivers was a real thing back in the day. i remember loading drivers, powering down, installing hardware, booting back up. Only to get errors.
the 4disc drive is impressive tech. Your multi 5.25 bay has an ide header!? two things i've never seen before. love the old school full tower full of drives. the craziest i ever got back in the master/slave ide days was 2 dvdr, a cdr and 3 hdd's. copying dvds on the fly without dumping an image first saved so much time.
I love videos of other people suffering through troubleshooting it is very comforting to know I am not the only one that has hardware treating me like I am stupid.
Ahhh blue screen of death at the end.. takes me back
1:23 correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a Red Bones Bearing sticker, like the bearing skateboard company
I get to this channel through Druaga1 but while the quality of Druaga1 videos is getting worse, your videos are getting better. keep it up!
wtf you talking about, Druaga1 is still an awesome guy and his videos are still enjoyable to watch.
EpicLPer well, go ahead and watch it. It's ok for me.
EpicLPer
Do not talk to those who decide things purely on a personal subjective basis, rather than just merely havng a sense of taste. These sort of people take things incredibly personal, and as such, won't easily listen to those who'd say otherwise.
Druaga rocks, plain and simple my friend :-)
I think Druaga1 is just busy these days.
I feel like such a pleb for manually changing out discs during installation in the past, now.
A cd changer is the true patricians choice
PCing 30 years ago looks way more frustrating that it's now. If I were a teen at the time I'd have a cheap computer (if needed for some work) and, separately, a console or two.
It's incredible to think that PC technology made giant leaps from 1990 to 2000.
And i bet people had anger issues, back then too.
@@unchi1999 Wat?
@@Italian_Isaac_Clarke You said "PCing 30 years ago looks way more frustrating", right?
@@unchi1999 I am not engaging with you.
I currently have a Pentium2 PC AND am doing Linux stuff separately too.
Compared to even just the Windows XP era both hardware and software are not for the average people. MOST bought a computer done and used it until the caked dust burnt them.
@@Italian_Isaac_Clarke Dude why did you just say "I am not engaging with you" I just don't get it here.
You know that was rude and uncalled for to say and also the most ridiculous thing you ever said, right? 🤦♂️
Based on Druaga1 Win98 SSD logic, rebooting every 2n times and you don't get the Windows Protection Error
If you installed the DOS CD driver in win98/95's DOS mode, not only would it do what it's supposed to, it would also work especially in certain times such as during the 2nd phase of installation.
However, it will be ignored when booting in safe mode.
You seem to have 2 phantom CD drives at 7:51 (the Compaq and the Lite-On), Windows 98 used to do that sort of thing, try deleting them, and do look through your Autoexec.bat and Config.sys, since that's what the setup program modified (maybe there's 2 clashing CD drivers).
Also, this longer format with the troubleshooting left in is great, though I enjoyed the shorter version as well.
I can surely atest @ 0:30 , i purchased WIN95 when it came out and it was on fourteen 3.5'' floppy disks... inconvinient and dead in the water for sure if just any one of those disks had failed.
1:30 Heyyyy "The Simpsons Hit & Run" :D Brings back the memories!!! :) (But I played it on the original Xbox.)
What is that front panel io? I need that in my life
I bought that 4yrs ago on Amazon. Unfortunately I can't find it for sale anywhere now. It is very convenient. The SD card slot has been giving me problems recently, but other than that it's been great.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0094PI0GI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I was able to find the sata equivalent but not one that supports ide like this one.
I immediately went hunting for this, I'm thinking I'm going to have to get one of the sata ones, and hack an IDE port into it via an USB 2 IDE drive enclosure kit.
Yay!. Great long video. Keep on it!
I loved that drive when I owned it. Was great for accessing multiple things when archiving stuff on disks.
It was a shame it didn’t really work past 98 (might have worked on 2000), but any further only read the first slot :(
You should have started Windows 98 from the LOG.txt instead. That's how I fixed the "Windows protection error" thing.
Despite all the things that happened, that is one badass Windows 98 machine.
Great job on this video and all your others, I actually learned something new.
Holy crap! Is that a supermicro case? I have two of those, and i am still using them to this day. I think is was an SC-750 case?!?
I did not think that was going to work. I remember long ago getting two CD-ROM drives and trying to install games without the disc swap and finding the installers would only look on the drive they found first. It was devastating after buying a second drive essentially to ease installing tonnes of games haha. Very cool seeing it finally work for someone.
That would work well if the game(s) were installed via Windows Installer, as it usually checks other available optical drives for discs that are needed.
Can I find specs for your machine somewhere? It's fascinating.
This looks like the CD changer we used for testing "Pathways Through Jerusalem", which came on two CDs (the disks contained the content). The sound of it seems the same as I remember.
I bought one those back in the day from Computer Center in my town, it was great back then. I used to hate chasing ghosts in the machines though... brings back the memories.
i noticed that the driver for the cd changer was complaining about not finding any drives, which makes me wonder if the bios for this machine has some sort of issue with the cd changer or something maybe?
alright then nevermind, wonder what was wrong...
What have you done the great pc is now in shambles internally if I had that i would keep it running like a horse
Tech tangents what model is the 5.25 media dashboard used to copy the ide hdds
Where can i buy that i want cd changer
Please full details on the machine you were using the backup that drive operating system configuration what's all in it all the hardware video bike if there is one please
Such a shame you didn't discover single drive mode. No idea how it works in 98 and even on 95 it's weird to install but it's great fun once you do.
Absolutely pointless to fuck around with the drivers for this outside of single drive mode though.
It supports any driver that does multiple SCSI LUN's in a single channel over ATAPI, for four drive mode, including the standard 98 CD driver.
So when are we going to get back to the Windows 98 machine arc?
7:46 Some drivers aren't available in safe mode, that's probably why
27:15 I wonder how many times she's heard that excuse?
On the bios why does it have a amd cpu instead of intel cpu?
I remember X-Plane 9 from Laminar Research founder, Austin Meyer, came on 8 DVDs. Yes, that's DVDs, not CDs! 1 DVD was for the program, and 7 DVDs was for the world scenery.
What happened at the old win98 machine now that you have a new 98 machine?
Can the changer be installed in a compatible Mac?
Could it be failing caps on the motherboard? This mobo; the ECS K7S5A, was made in the middle of the Capacitor plague era.
Check for "domed" caps or check them on an ESR meter. If there are shitty Taiwanese caps on there, especially in the power filtering area around the CPU, then swap them out. They've, most likely, started to go bad.
While I have no problem getting into the nitty gritty(Here I repair my ESR meter: th-cam.com/video/pkbOTBbFplo/w-d-xo.html ) I have no attachment to this motherboard. If it's bad I'm just going to take it to my garage , torch it with a heat gun, and whack it on the ground to get off any useful parts. I have a perfectly suitable 1.4GHz P4 CPU/MOBO combo waiting for a reason to find it's way into this computer. I don't think this motherboard has any redeeming qualities that would make it worth saving. It's best feature to me is that it is already in the computer.
Возможно ответ о причинах проблем с ошибкой защиты Windows в комментариях уже есть, но напишу еще раз. Windows 98 без проблем работает при объеме RAM - 512 Mb, обычно не вызывает проблем наличие 768 Mb, но с 1 Gb RAM почти всегда есть проблемы. То есть проблема - не в устройствах, а в слишком большом количестве RAM. (Perhaps the answer about the causes of problems with the Windows protection error is already in the comments, but I will write again. Windows 98 works without problems with RAM - 512 Mb, usually 768 Mb does not cause problems, but with 1 Gb of RAM there are almost always problems. That is, the problem is not in the devices, but in too much RAM.)
It's been a long time since I use Windows 95 or 98 but there was a way to boot in verbose mode without the splash screen to see where it was hanging at.
Next vid: ultimate win 98 install
One year later...
Y not use ide ssd?
Is the memory going bad on this PC? I would try an old version of memtest.
When did you build the 98 machine?
Where is Swat 4? That was released on CD.
Never got an (official) DVD release.
I was just installing drivers on my Win98 machine while watching this video in the background and got stuck at the same screen “windows protection”. Ended up reinstalling everything from scratch.
You just built the computer and it's already turning yellow!
You should make a video about your Linux PC, the one you used to backup the drive.
Hey Aku, HL2's minimum OS supported was Windows 2000 - so 98 isn't officially supported.
(at least that I know of)
Huh. Never mind, the retail release does say it includes Win98 support after all.
I remember taking out and putting in many CDS when playing the Myst sequels.
You'll probably want to go for the DVD (or digital) versions for Riven/Exile.
Riven in fact was one of the first DVD-ROM pieces of software available, with it coming in 1998.
Installing Windows 98 on an old athlon xp pc was one of the biggest waste of time I had. It's so a pain in the ass, problems everywhere.
OH my the memories...
Good to see it wasn't Steve IRQL causing problems here! 😅
RIP windows 98 gaming rig.;_;
3:48 the struggle back in the day was real 😁
The disc changer is a NEC CDR-C251.
You're welcome.
Not using 98 SE, that's your problem. :P
jk. That's some weird intermittent problems you're having there. You're probably right about the PSU failing.
I agree with the psu probably being the culprit
dbozan99 you mean he’s not using windows 98 se PLUS.
Now that I think about it, if the change from 3.5" floppies to CDs was 486x, maybe it increased 486x because of 486 processors. Am I overthinking it? Most likely. Is it a coincidence? Again, most likely, but I'd like to believe that's the reason why
CDs are older than the 486 processor by six and a half years.
Hell, even CD-ROMs are a bit older (about five years).
I would've done this as an outtake video, trimming off the stuff we've already seen.
this front connector is so cool
i would kill for that 5.25″ Media Dashboard but i've only seen them on alliexpress and i am not trusting that for 33 bucks. If I knew it worked for Zip Drives, maybe worth it. I had to order 2 IDE to PCI and one IDE/SATA/eSATA to PCIe cards to find out which works.. happened to be the PCI version , an Allytech GP1251, and it had to have a VIA VT6410 chipset
I had this drive but it wasn't as good as you might think. Windows still saw them each as individual drives and you couldn't just go from one disc to the next in a multidisc game since they were on their own drive letters.
I just use bigger harddrives and a USB 2.0 attached external for disc images. Granted any image over the FAT32 limit for DVDs I am going have to break down and use the optical drive for but VirtualDisc Drives are the way to go for me. I have no Nostalgia for swapping Optical discs. Now cartridges I do so Flashdrives and with hotswap bays swapping harddrives at a time feels a lot more satisfying.
i try that before but instead of using multiple cd roms i install daemon tools or virtual cd rom rip my multidisc softwares and mount it on virtual cd rom
How about a blueray ? ;p
Not possible as UDF 2.6 support (and therefore, Blu-ray) wasn't added until Vista and an update to XP SP3.
i hate in Police Quest - SWAT i had to keep changing cds I am so glad I bought it on gog when it was on sell
Pffffffff i have deja vu oh yes the good old time of windows98
Flash drives are so cheap now that game anthologies can come on one drive
imagine a modern game on CD's
IT'S ONLY 78 DISCS TO INSTALL BOYS
i love this content lol
ah the good ole Maxtor DM Plus 8. I've had tons of these that died to firmware corruption and headcrashes. Definitey not maxtor's best product (like any of them actually were)
3:30 Thats's what she said, hehehe. Ok, sorry about that.
Now thats cool
*Que nostalgia da ese paint xD*
talking about some seedy driver
oh no your pc and cd machine windows 98 die. RIP windows 98 :( :,(
If anything goes wrong FIRST try it with different cables
Downgrade the RAM to 512MB’s. Windows 98 hates having more than a 1GB of ram.
The max it can handle is 2GB. I think 1.75 GB ought to be fine.
I think to run it with a lot of RAM would require modifying a certain file or two at least under DOS mode.
mmeeeeennn is a lot of work :S
you need an ssd
And i wouldnt trust an ECS motherboard. Their QC is poor and the motherboards always fail. i know i had a few.
King James
I know of a certain someone who might like this... 😏
tis server
David roots toys $30yes
Keep the hands out of the shots.