ALL CAMERA COLORS ARE LIES!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, we will discuss working with accurate colors as opposed to Fujifilm, Canon, or Sony colors. Lightroom, your monitor, and your camera are full of lies. We discuss.
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First time here? Hi, I'm Omar Gonzalez, a professional portrait and event photographer in the NYC/NJ area. On this channel, we talk cameras, lenses, and techniques to improve our photography.
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I'm colorblind, so I am completely reliant on my wife to check the colors although she does need calibrating every two months or so.
@The Walking Man
There's a bonafide way to do that, I'm sure.
@The Walking Man
I'm sure, as RAW is how you like it?
@The Walking Man
Yeah, you wouldn't want the f/ to stop due to any stray shots.
Morpheus “ Do you think it is red that you are seeing?”
Jonh Coner hahahhaaa
Omar, my brain hurts now but thank you for posting these. It really helps seeing side by side comparison as well as calibrated before and afters from Sony, Fuji, and Canon. Really keeps your videos unbiased and applicable to everyone. Thanks!
Great instructional video! IMHO, this is the best video I have watched on colour profiles. Love your humour in the starting segment 😂
Thanks so much!
Thanks makes perfect sense. You explained it well. Also it was nice to briefly meet you at Photoplus. Keep up the great work! Tim
Thanks for the video. Very educational and truthful video. But for those of us with out an expensive Color checker card or expensive software... EOSHD did wonders to my old a7s colors (specifically the REDS & YELLOWS). That, and White Balancing each scene is vital for getting accurate colors.
The way u explained this colour science topic is excellent..
That music at the end of your video is awesome. I know you've used in a few other videos as well. What is the source?
How do we know that a colour is really what it is? How do different cultures view colours? Do they only use a few basic ones as we do, or do they use many? Too many questions. All I know is that Fuji lets me see on my computer the nearest 'colour truth' to what my eyes saw when the photo was taken.
In science an actual color has to do with the wavelength of light. Like red has a large wavelength and blue a small one. So true red exists but send it to a monitor with a limited color space and forget it. 😊
Omar please do video about icc profiles, and about setups it is very useful , It's killing me when on the screen have awesome pic and printer is doing greenish pic or worst. Thank you. Gracias Maria Jesus ;) hahaha that was good ;) :D
Does the custom color profile work with Premier pro as well ?
Loving the creativity in your latest videos!
oh this is my first time ever watch a youtube video that I am the first commenter hahah I love your chanel by the way!
Yay!!
On my...trul y an excellent explanation for accurate colors. Once again, thank you.
Photographs are not "reality" as such. And printing can not match a monitor because it reflects instead of emits light. Also, in what environment are you looking at your proto's? What is the ambient light there?
Totally
google for xrite vs spyder forum discussions, xrite seen to be conciderd more precise for screen cal...
Informative video, look forward to the next topic, thanks!
We are all nearly colorblind ...so we need calibrated monitor that sure.
Pictures are memories and my memories should be beautiful. That's why I use Fuji ;-)
I always like how you explain things and you’re very real, oppps I use the word ‘real’ too 🤣
My science color is DA BEST : I'm blind , & never complained . :)
I’m colour blind so I’m kinda screwed.Black and white it is then.😂😂
Hey blues and reds affect black and white tones. It's all good. 😉
I even have different white balances in each of my eyes XD
Me too.
I've always wondered if this is common! :)
I have Dual Pixel AF in 1 , G80 AF in the other, never knew if it was important :)
iMacs are precalibrated individually by apple.... just in case you didn't know
3:30 - Don't touch the colorchecker tiles tho. Your oils will transfer and up degrading/altering their individual hues.
That was a little painful to watch.
very painful
f... don``t tuch noobster
Calibrator is a crap. u need a spectrophotometer for such things. Also XRite told that their color checker is not guaranteed to be precise
Not only that, but he also touches the tiles on the colorchecker which transfers oil and grease onto the tiles making them inaccurate
@@Purple__
7:33 I was cringing every time he touched the color tiles. You can see on the light blue patch that there's a dark streak on it that I'm betting will mess with the profiling.
Finally someone on TH-cam that doesn’t blabber about canon colors 😂😂😂
Still love the SOOC color of the Fuji best, but this was very enlightening. Thank you.
Fujifilm jpegs are delicious.
No one:
Omar: "EVERYONE IS A LiERrRRRRRRRRRRR"
Hahhaa im kidding. I enjoyed this video!!!
*sees the title of the video*
“Well if anyone can describe color, it’s Omar”
María De Jesús Rodríguez’s Profile 😂
I try to explain this to people all the time...only person responsible for the colors in your camera is you! It's also a good way to start arguments between photographers :-) So thanks for backing me up!
Also...(psst! you're not supposed to touch your color checker...supposedly, our messy human fingers can affect the dyes over time).
I kinda like Adobe Colors most of the time.
Fascinating!! And thank you to talk slowly and such understandable English! Most of English talk too fast to be understandable but yours is just perfect to listen and follow!
Finally!! Good to be slow me!! 😉
@@ogonzilla exactly! Slow and always with something more than usual photographers are used to share! Thank you for your videos!
Our eyes calibrated differently
Your best „tech“ Video so far... Now, do the Monitor Colour Calibration and the Printer ICC profile stuff. Andalé!
Man, this is deep. xD
Excellent video Omar and a subject often omitted by most. The old " colour science " argument can essentially be disregarded by creating your own profiles😊. Three points however. Firstly you should never touch any of the colour patches on the Xrite passport. Oils from your skin degrade the colours, these patches need to be perfect for the software to work as accurately as possible. Second, I'd generally advise folk to use the Xrite color checker with Xrites own calibration hardware rather than mixing it with a Datacolor spider. They have their own version of the passport. Thirdly, you can create a profile easier in lightroom by exporting directly to X rite Camera Calibration ( edit>>export to>>Xrite Camera Calibration ) rather than dragging a .DNG file into the profile manager seperately. Restart LR and it appears in the Basic's Profile panel the same as you showed here. It does the same thing but literally takes a few seconds to create.😉
1 profile to cover all situations? I believe I'm more interested in pleasing colors than accurate colors but a very helpful video!
Actually, accurate colors are pleasing colors. The problem with a lack of color accuracy is colors can blend/criss cross into domains they shouldn't be, which can muddle image quality. The whole point is to start off with a base accuracy and edit from there. Kind of like a camera neutral profile, except without all the muted color! Color accuracy also determines starting color hue/saturation/luminance to a degree. This can actually great affect your photo's, even the noise profile of your photo. For example, what if you have a color profile that adds more blue or red....welp, then you're going to see it in your color noise too, when a color accurate image may display it less.
It also affects shadows, because again, if a color is darker than accurate, it can lose contrast in the shadow areas. Editing with inaccurate color profiles as a starting point, is like editing with a filter on top of a filter. It can also mess with exposure. For example, let's say you've over exposed an image slightly. In a non-accurate profile, certain colors might not look over exposed at all. Go to color accurate, and you can more readily see which color is over exposed because it will clip. The problem can also happen in the reverse where a color is under exposed but looks properly exposed because of an inaccurate color profile that shifts the relation of things.
Let's say you're shooting something red and you want it to look more orange-ish. The non-accurate colors already made it some other shade of red, so you're effectively stretching the color data even more to get the orange hue that you want, because you're editing a fake hue on top of a starting inaccurate hue. You'll find that even artistic filters look better with an accurate color profile as the starting point. After all, filters are just meant to change one color to another color.
So let's say you've got a filter that is meant for landscapes, meant to turn a yellowish green into a blue green for example. Well what if your inaccurate color profile is already turning it some shade of blue green or some yellower green? You're then fighting against multiple hues, and losing the intent of what colors that specific filter is supposed to be enhancing! And with that starting color being wrong, you might not even get the best hue when shifting things. The program thinks you're turning absolute red into some other shade, when in reality you're turning some less accurate shade of red into a less accurate shade of orange, which can actually make your colors look more poorly than otherwise, because you're being limited by your starting point.
So yes, color accuracy actually matters, and it's what's going to get you the best colors and even dynamic range out of your photo's when you edit them.
@@peoplez129 Well said ☺️
Just a quick question, do you use it for every shoot or just one you created beforehand? Apreciate the video, really helpful!
A color checker can be a great tool - but you need to understand what it's useful for. The color checker only works for a given illuminant (light spectrum coming from the lights in to room), a certain space and orientation in the room and the lens used on the camera. there is no "real world" color profile that will make the image right because of all the variables that color science (as an scientific field) involves.
So for anyone interested in using color checkers as part of your workflow: bringing one with you on set can be very useful for fixing major mishaps but don't only rely on your preset profiles, because you might be applying a calibration that does more harm than it does good
Just when you think you know something you realise you (I mean me) know nothing at all about this crazy photography business!!. Great explanation but I'm too simple to understand and to lazy to do anything about it so adobe for colour science I am in your slightly uncalibarted hands.
Haha. That works too. 😊
FINALLY a video that talks some common sense. I'm so sick hearing fanboys talking about color science with ZERO facts behind it
Well there is some truth to color science other than the subjective manufacturers interpretations. Color science starts at the CFA's of the sensor. Every sensor has a different color response. Red pixels allow in varying degree's of blue and green light. Blue pixels allow in varying degree's of green and red light, and so on. This means no two sensors will have the same exact output even if you could match everything, because what the sensors reads as a perfect red, would also have a varying degree of blue or green light shifting its luminance, which will slightly shift the shade of color you get, before it even gets translated into color, because the sensor thinks "I see any light that comes through this red pixel as just a shade of red".
Which means you'll end up with brighter reds than the actual scene had. Now multiply that by all the other color channels, and you get hue and saturation shifts too. It's easy to see how colors can shift between different sensors, even when you normalize the output between different sensors for color accuracy. In fact, you see that exact result in this video when he showed the spider man comparisons. He blamed it on lenses, and that may have been part of it, but the major part of the difference was exactly because of differences in individual sensor color filter arrays of the different camera's.
color calibration is a decades long challenge and still not fully working on most of the cameras, due to the inherent weakness of color filters in Bayer sensor, and following calibration variance between different scenes (different light require different calibration and you never have same light condition like in labs in real world scenario. Besides, even under a perfect D50 sunlight condition, object under sunlight and under shadow would require different color profile, but you can never do this since they resides on the same scene
You picked a great topic this time Omar, looking out for the next installment.
Just a cool thing that may interest, if you download RawTherapee, a free RAW processing software, you can actually disable all camera profiles and see the colors the camera sees, without any processing... It's also a great way of understanding what the camera is doing!
Its better to say all youtube reviews are lies.
If I see with my eyes that colour is wrong so it is wrong so same with calibration tools, calibrated by whom standards? Regardless, Sony and Canon produce worst colours out of camera
year is 1997.. Kodak films tend to magenta and Fuji films are more saturated and tend to green. If the PH of the solution is higher or the temperature is higher, the colors will be wrong. All the checks are made with naked eye using a kodak color card. I am loving this new era of photography... btw.. happy new year Omar!! Wish you all the best !!!
"you may be looking at it on a Google pixel".
Checks room for hidden cameras.
I Love the way you make all your videos, they are great!!!! But one thing I don't understand is where should I put the focus point when I make the photo that I will upload to the color checker camera calibration.... Where should I put the focus point,To the subject or to the color checker? Thank you so much ,I Love your channel
Focus on the color checker. The software will recognize it anywhere in the picture
Gracias!!!!@@ogonzilla
Omar I know with is years old but when you compare something like a hasselblad to a fuji gfx........are all of the richness bragging etc really only speak to the uncalibrated natural color sciences and wouldn't matter if a color checker is used? Sensor Quality ? Lol this was an amazing video Just trying to make since of what I would gain from getting one or the other as far as accuracy . HELP SIR
The problem with this is that all screens are different. You may have the best monitor, calibrated, profiled, capable of displaying more than 1 trillion colors in all their glory, but people still use crappy monitors, devices with cheap screens and those are 100% showing crippled 8-bit RGB images with all the dirt and grime of JPEG compression. And if people are watching your shots on Instagram or Facebook, it is even worse as algorithms of these two destroy the quality of your images to the very foundation. Back in the day, when we had CRT monitors, they were coming at least calibrated from the factory, now we have a sheer mess.
So, the hunt for "perfect" or "accurate" colors leads to failure'n'frustration and there is no remedy, no ways to fix that. Your profiled colors might be "perfect" on your own devices, but throw in there 8 bit, JPEG compression and the quality (lack of) of the screens in $140 devices, all you will get is the headache. It's a mess.
I love the Canon's colors the most..but if used with DPP,Adobe profiles has nothing to do with what real Canon colors should look like...Canon's colors are not 100% true to life,but they are artistic recipe that so many people like.Depends what you want to do...if you want 100% true to life colors buy Xrite color passport,but if you want Canon's style..just use DPP or create a profiles based on DPP recipe.
Since i bought my redmi 12c phone i have been wondering why the colors don't look like real life? Aren't we supposed to be making cameras that preduce photos that look more like real life? I thought the better camera i have the more real life like my photos are going to be !?
Question Omar: Does Sony have it’s own editing software? If so, can’t you just use theirs since the A7 lll is their camera ?
Color is ALWAYS subjective. Not only does everyone who checks out your work with their phones/computer screens see a different thing than what you do after doing all of these steps, but even our eyes/brains experience color differently. The "Real" you're talking about is a thing you personally experience. Calibration is very useful when working with multiple devices and you need consistency, but the pursuit of 'absolutely correct' color is some what futile in my opinion. That being said I really hate that I can't turn off the filters modern cameraphones apply that make all colors way too vivid and enhance edges etc...
I’ve had all the big brand camera brands and not one is perfect in and raw software.
I take pics of cars, where different shades of blues are the worst. Then reds are second.
Canon did a great job at balancing the correct hues in raw.
Nikon has a problem with reds.
Fuji had a major problem with blues and reds.
Sony A7III is excellent in Capture One Pro. The skin tones are a little off, but easy to fix.
Canon and Fuji had great skin tones in Adobe raw.
So for the type of shooting with cars and the tough color tones, I stuck with the A7III and process with Capture One Pro. Adobe is awful with Sony. Capture one is amazing now.
So it all depends on what you shoot and the process program you use.
Cameras/pictures have never been true to life.... why start now? We used to pick the colour profile with the film we purchased; now we pick it with the camera we purchase. The colours are aesthetically pleasing and can be tweaked. Contrast and shadow in a photo doesn't look true to life either. I remember seeing the subject that I was shooting in 3D but the photo only comes out in 2D. I know what you are saying but I just don't see the point. Fuji, Sony and Canon have tested their colour profiles over a huge amount of screens to ensure that your photos will look amazing across them all. A true to life profile might look great on a calibrated screen but it may also look washed out on another. Yes, Lightroom default profiles are crap.
After spending $500 on xrite products and calibrating all my monitor, camera, software and printer, I realized real color doesn't look as good as Canon Standard. Lesson learned. I still calibrate my monitor though.
All cameras and raw processors have color profiles, so you never see raw. I seen many times real RAW photo and video feed... and it's pretty terrible...
That xrite colorchecker is not enough for accurate color calibration by far. For really accurate colors you need over 200 color patches and photos taken with warm and cold light.
4:50 - you want to create accurate colors ... make sure you do not touch the color swatches on the Color Checker Passport because that alters the colors in there faster than bad UV light. NO HAND CONTACT. Or, buy a new one very frequently. They are worth every penny and not cheap.
I have to try this for my fujifilm xt-3; just about to dump it because the colors do not look natural to me. I feel like I am always dealing with some whacky color. I have my computer calibrated.
Very informative, I send photos to my iPhone and adjust accordingly cause that's where most my viewers will see it. reality is a myth.
I am a little confused, so we use color checker .dng, that we took a photo of with our camera? then upload this photo (.dng) into lightroom and then the lightroom will adjust colors according to that color checker? Or did I misunderstand something?
"Accurate" colors suck. For me, red is red when it is good red. Same for other colors. Forget abote "accurate". The term is not applicable in this context...
Canon still looks better 😎
This video is pure gold! Thanks for this, it helps alot.
This is completely useless unless you're printing or doing it professionally and displaying it on a controlled display. Otherwise everything you talked about is out of the window. Espically for social media
That’s why there’s no such thing as straight out of the camera photo that does not need photo editing. Even painters such as Van Gogh, Matisse, etc. have their own definition of red, cyan, etc. I have my own color profile and so are other photographers. Each and everyone have their own color science as the eyes see it. We have our own definition of cinematic color and color grading. So, there’s no such thing as right color of red, etc. as camera brand measurebators would say so in their blogs considering they’re intentionally color blind for the money.
I've only just got round to watching this video, which was a bit of an eye opener to myself. How often do you calibrate with the colour checker passport?
even after using the custom made profiles, it doesn't matter unless you are printing. because most of our viewers are most probably using a phone that doesn't have a perfect 1080p display even in this era. And then there is this compression facebook and instagram does to your photos.
What about when going on vacations with the family? do I need to get a snap of the colorchecker for every seen? which changes within minutes and sometimes too fast! How do you color check and white balance with the fuji on vacation for the film simulation jpeg files?
Can you do videos regarding printers profiles you mentioned here as well as monitors and their color spaces(srgb and adobe).
And question from the other hand- as i see in lots your videos you using apple retina monitor. Are you consider this monitor as a professional monitor for critical color work? Thanks
Hi Omar. Nice video. 👍 One on ICC profiles would be cool. Thanks.
I’ve been praising the ColorChecker for well over a decade and it should come with every camera that can shoot raw.
Seeing you touched the color patches you can throw yours away and get a new one though, ouch...
Cool video! Super interesting.
Video is good. But recently sold sony a73 and came back to canon because of the canon color signs, i did all this but canon raw file and canon sensor have different color profile which i like and very pkeasing and good skjn tone. So less work on lightroom . End of the story very nice video
So if I do my own ICC profile on my LR and Monitor, how is it matching the mpix's printers ICC? Or are you saying accuracy is just one leveled playing field? That iff I calibrate with X-rite, that I'll be in tune with Mpix and any other medium. Or will I have to change my corrected profile once I go to print, and change it back for accurate in-computer sharing. Loaded question, but thanks for the video {subbed}.
Working on the last part. That will help you. Quick answer is you need the icc from mpix website and upload to LR.
Fuji color science is legit accurate. The only problem is shadow value for those colors are custom setting +2.
to calibrate colors accurately how much of a difference you get between a color checker and a gray card ? the difference should only be a minimal precision difference as gray also has the 3 component colors. why do you need to calibrate your monitor ? it only works for your monitor, why dont you assume it lies like your friend's phone screen but the colors you did put in the file are correct as you calibrated it with the color checker. why don't we calibrate our audio also ?
Lenses, sensors, monitors, phones, printers, eyes... Every one of them is different and you can never be sure. That's some Matrix shit right there.
Please do the video on monitor calibration...I keep trying with my Spyder Express and it still gets wonky color...
Love your style and clear, concise explanations with a splash of humor!
Yes that was helpful. I have the spyder calibrator and have one monitor set up but still get dark prints. It seems so wasteful and stresses me out!
Please stop touching the target colors with your fingers! Every time you did it in the video I got an heart attack.
What camera did you used to get the picture of color checker? 😅 Isn't is affected already? 😅
Dang, I'm beginning to think photography is too difficult for me. Maybe I need to focus more on being a poor guitar player. :) Another great video. Thanks
It's not. This is next level stuff man. Working with camera colors is fine. Work on composition and lighting. 😊
@@ogonzilla Haha.... Thanks; I jest. :) At 60 years old, I am thankful that I've been able to pick up a new hobby that has ignited such a passion in me. Your videos have really helped. Oh, and I'm still working out my GS Mini on a regular basis, too!
Great video Omar! Would be interesting in episode 2 about monitor calibrating and episode 3 about printer profiles !
Yup!!!! Thanks for watching.
the camera used for the making of the video looks good.
Hijole, I want that Maria de Jesus Rodriguez Fuji profile now!!
😂
Great video, but I never bothered about the color for i have only one camera 🙄 and never took same frame on different camera lol 😂
Canon still looked Best said the Fuji shooter
Very interesting and helpful. I never realized you could get the info from the printing company you may
Omar do you have to create a profile for every lighting situation. For example if you went outside would you have to create a different profile with the passport cheers. Thanks for all the great videos
Not really. A general one with daylight will work on most images. However if you shoot in an orange painted room or a dark wood room that WILL need a new profile.
would you mind to share your profile for a7iii? i dont have the extra budget to get xrite color yet
Can you make a tutorial on how to change the color profile of Nature? I don't like it :3
Hi omar! is it possible that can you share the dng file to us? Thanks.
Please do ICC profile printing with Bay photo for capture one
Wouldn’t you need to take a picture of the color checker at each location? I’m assuming colors change everywhere you go and in every situation?
Yup
Yeeesss!! I’ve been struggling with color lately; on screen and in print. Very helpful. Looking forward to the monitor calibration and ICC profile for printing videos!