When asked at a election hustings 'Why do you have a private health lobbyist on your team?' Starmer replied 'I will not accept questions on my staff' .... speaks volumes.
After viewing The Labour Files by Al Jazeera, it is my personal belief that the Labour Party is now controlled by the State. Arguments against this belief are welcomed.
the answer is that the Labour Party is currently accepting large donations from American Health companies. They are also accepting donations from former Tory party donors and lobbying companies on behalf of "interested parties". Is this ethical, moral, or indeed principled? Answers on the back of a blank cheque, please.
@@n00bma5ter69 that's why there needs to be serious change; starmer is a tool to extract the tories, and then he must go. He missed his opportunity to stick a stake in the ground from the getgo, as the lib dems did with their return to the EU and universal basic income, which is a sound economic policy, while solving the collapse of the standards of living. The brexiteers and tories have been getting away with tweaking and legitimated racism and xenophobia to get votes, and indeed street violence. Someone has to puncture the rubber boat nonsense
it's no effort to turn up to parliament not looking like a bag of shit though is it. may not matter to you, but it does to some people - plenty of the working class, in fact. and the fact that he didn't understand this is just one of the litany of the reasons that he didn't get anywhere.
@sidevans1 I think the emphasis we place as a society on how we look, which is often prized far higher than how we behave, is a real reflection of the issues in this country, and is probably one if the reasons we have ended up with a parliament full of vacuous and sub-par people. It is also an incredibly subjective thing, I actually think Jeremy generally looks very nice, but how he looks is not something measurable on which votes should be cast either way.
@@josephineh6154 fine, that's your opinion. if everyone thought like you then he'd be prime minister - and here we are. you need to understand the country you want to govern to be able to govern it. he didn't. i don't think he could be arsed to govern it anyway, but that's another argument.
But you can't stop the bombing of libya if you are not in power. That is what the far left of Labour seem to be missing. Your principle means nothing if you cannot enact it. At worst people think they are more important than actually helping people.
How is it that recognising the Palestinian people as deserving of basic human rights is now "anti-semitic"? As someone who is friends with and who organises often with many left-wing Jewish people, who themselves share similare views with me on zionism and on the modern-day apartheid state of Israel and it's far-right government, I really can't wait for us to move past this cowardly phase on the left so that we can have actual conversations again instead of tiptoe-ing around the issue for fear of being labeled an anti-semite.
@Littlestone 100% in agreement with you. The label stuck on Jeremy Corbyn was sold through the propaganda press . Starmer is more and more akin to a Tory sitting in. the Labour benches ...
Well said and yes it's like saying fu labour voters who support Jeremy Corbyn why because Jeremy has a bigger fan base for sure so he's a threat to starmers chances of being pm if he gives him back the whip
I couldn't in good conscience vote either main parties. It's a farce. We need PR to give others incentives and a chance. Happy to have a hung parliament with neither Labour or Tory getting in. Rhetoric pours out of their lying mouths
Not enough to win the election, though. So few infact, those policies and ideas led to the election of perhaps the most dangerous man in British Politics by giving him a large majority. An utter buffoon beat those ideas. You can have all the ideas you want, but it means nothing without the power to implement them.
@44:00 I think what the last few years has shown is that the rich will not, under any circumstances allow neoliberalism to die, that why they are happy to spend much more fighting the unions than what the unions were asking for, its not a question of tory or labour now, neither party will challenge it, the only opportunity was with JC's labour but that won't be allowed to happen again.
@@robsonbarstow9355 Hang on, you can’t have it both ways. The paragon of socialism, a lifetime in politics , those dark smoke filled meetings plotting i mean deciding on strategy, couldn’t handle the blond buffoon who spends more time in bed than in politics. Well Jewemy blew it , we’re all feeling the painful consequences, and it’s high time he’s gone. Even now, today, he’s a gift for the Tories , trying to stay in government.
Could Andrew Fisher and GarysEconomics talk to JC and put a TH-cam channel together to educate the nation please? We need to understand and get answers to where the "£700 billion" came from. Educate the masses because that's what those in power fear the most! Btw keep up the good work Joe
👍🏻 Yep, we've absolutely got to give people the information they need, in an easy to digest, relatable & memorable way, so they're not hoodwinked by the self serving media class or things will continue to get worse
Try Hansard….that might tell you why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support the Tories enact Article 50 !! Oh you’ve forgotten already , allow me to remind you, that’s the “project” which is costing the country a 4% reduction in long term GDP and turned this country into a prison island. Yes talk to Corbyn by all means and ask him why he betrayed the Labour Party ?
@@californiadreamin8423 Invoking the EU Withdrawal Act, Article 50 - The one Gina Millar had to take to court to get May's Government to allow UK Parliament to play its constitutional part in? Triggered the start of the two year negotiations between UK Parliament & the EU - Enacting 'The will of the people'.
Unions should pull funding. If Starmer and Labour want to be Tory 2.0 then they should fund themselves and see how far they get without their grassroots.
@Nathan Eddy And having Starmer's Labour continuing as present would be different how? A different rosette colour? Great. It's not a sports game. If Labour doesn't represent labour *through choices they themselves made* then the unions shouldn't support them.
@@pee-ray5760 I'm sorry what a liberal labour is 1000 times better than Tory's what kind of virtue signalling bullshit is this. They literally want to strip away human fucking rights we don't have time to deal with your little virtue signals. Not to mention... Labour represents labour... It's circular the labour party represents the labour party. Do you not understand how labour leaders are elected....
Great summary of where we are in this country right now and I will certainly be sharing this video with people I know. Thanks to Andrew for taking the time to be honest about Britain as it is today.
We welcome the honourable Jeremy Corbyn to run independent for the mayor of London. He is a champion for human rights, workers, rights, quality and diversity sure seat for Jeremy
Unfortunately, Jeremy Corbyn still refuses to acknowledge the fact the Blairite/pro-Israel lobby controls the Labour Party. His refusal to do so is a shameful betrayal of the majority of Labour voters and supporters, including the Jews in the Labour Party who oppose the brutal Israeli apartheid regime. "Jeremy Corbyn wasted an unprecedented opportunity to use his position as Leader of the Opposition call out the bogus 'antisemitism' campaign against him and some of his most loyal supporters, who were thrown to the wolves in the Labour Party's disciplinary process. Instead of that, he took a back-foot approach and appeased his accusers. If he had spoken up on this, the MSM would have had no option but to report him". He still has credibility with millions who would know he was telling the truth and could not be ignored by mainstream media. But it's probably too dangerous. Knowing how ruthless this system is e.g. the fate of David Kelly, Jill Dando and other brave whistleblowers.
I don't know about Kier starmers constituents some agree with him some don't it's the same in every part of the country depends on what people want from labour leader and his policy's some agree some disagree
Keir Starmer was more than happy with Jeremy's principals when he had a chance to be in his shadow front bench in 2019. But low and behold, here Starmer is in 2023 with a whole new set of principals he thinks the frothing gammon will like. He is a bottle job also because he is absolutely terrified of fleet street and the far right tabloid cartel.
I think he's not afraid of them. He genuinely believes that if he's a good boy, slicks his hair and ticks all their boxes, that they'll actually end up backing him, and gladly. He thinks he's the next Tony. He seems to think that the Tories won't have a box under the desk with his name on it. If they get it out, and empty it all over the dispact box on live tv, watch for the look on his face, because it's going to be priceless.
When will the right of the Labour party learn. Politics isn’t about being in office; it’s about political purity. The last thing you want to do is win and soil yourself with the grubby business of power.
Andrew Fisher, you're a GOOD man and I share many of your thoughts. Thank you for your contribution which by far transcends the limitations of the current debate. Keep Well!
@@mattw9764 Well, that may of been said tongue in cheek, but the sentiment has truth. Labour has another Tony Blair type playing up to the establishment powers that be. And in reality not much would probably change. However, I hope I’m wrong. What I would really like to see, is him showing pretense now and then In government doing the right things for the people . Tony Blair came in with a wave of optimism with “ things can only get better “ for a while they did, then the proxy Gulf war. We had odd improvements, but we could have had far more advances. I think ,learning from the past and whatever progress he makes , he should go with many in the Labour Party now, and change the voting system to a type of PR where everybody’s vote actually counts. I know personally, so many people, who do not vote now through Apathy. And I personally would like to see the birth of new , fresh political parties and the re-birth of Labour . When all said and done, I have conservative voting friends and relations and they’re fed up with them now. With the corrupt, outdated electoral system we have , that saying “ It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in” rings true
Imagine a UK Governed freely by Mick Lynch An Jeremy Corbyn.... Actual human beings that care about other human beings.... as opposed to the sociopathic, entitled, millionaire corporate stooges currently destroying the working classes for the benefit of the greedy.
I like Jeremy Corbyn. I think that he was badly treated by so many.. He had some very good ideas that were later stolen by the tories and his nationalised ideas for railway and others should go ahead. Compared with Johnson and his lies , Jeremy is a good man and hasn't been given a chance.
I really enjoyed this conversation. Anyone who has a wince of integrity and a spec of intelligence can clearly see why they kicked Corbyn out of the party. Unfortunately the apathetic won't watch, but will continue reading newspapers, and the "institutionalised" will ignore it, as having Corbyn out supports their agenda.
you may like this, it was my comment above The people you are talking about that can lead the Labour Party with ideas and charisma don’t get to survive due to the Tory biased nature of the British media, nearly all of it (David Eggerton's The Rise and Fall Of The British Nation), how our propaganda system works, Herman/Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent). The first past the post system, the two-party system that arises out of that, the silly way the house of Lords is selected and non-democratic, the huge inequality, the mill stone of imperial history, associated jingoism, misogyny and racism all work against these people surviving. From what I know Jeremy Corbyn is a perfect eg of this, from one of these casts, in his own words it is obvious he is not antisemitic or ever was. He was stitched up by the establishment as his policies were running the risk of working and they cannot afford that to occur, for its own sake and as an example to follow. Even you guys here played into that, you did not refute these slurs against Jeremy, yet mentioned them in passing, tacitly reinforcing those erroneous ideas. This is why the people are leaving the Labour Party, despite the obvious viciousness of the Tories against ordinary people. This should be a time people flock to join the Labour Party and they would if Jeremey were leader and did. This is very dangerous, as you indeed point out the next Labour Party is likely to disappoint and there is, a very real possibility people, I think, will turn to populist people offering simplistic solutions, like Ukip, or whatever it is called now and Farage, ie fascists. This is why Labour need people like Jeremy Corbyn’s and Starmer is playing a very silly game by undermining them. The Tories are chasing the Farage faction already. Trying to stop their loony fringes migrating to the extreme right parties. Several of their eg ex Thatcher Ministers have gone across and the Tories only have a fringe left. This is a very dangerous development. Read The Death Of Democracy and The Rise Of Hitler (sorry can’t remember the author off the top of my head, search it, it’s a recent book by an academic). In this you can see how a country can take the road to Nazism and the UK at present has many of the ingredients required, as shown in that book. For this reason, I have lost a lot of respect for Starmer and his team. I may be wrong and once in power Labour turns out better than I imagine they will be. I hope so, for the long run. They need to build Britain as a Nation, ie the things Jeremy was talking about, the things they are running away from in fear, gutless wonders, machine men. No wonder members are leaving the Labour party in droves. I reckon I would be if were in it and in the UK. AA the big mill stone for the UK is its whole undemocratic political system, totally biased against the people, that is the root of the problem. It is amazing that Atlee achieved what he did in that system. Just stunning.
Sorry but I never liked Corbyn. Having said that I have never met him but something about his public persona gave me the creeps. I am not keen on Starmer either. I hoped for better but he seems spineless. He has no spark. The leading women on his front bench seem much more on the ball.
@@helenamcginty4920 Corbyn definitely wasn't perfect. I especially think his stance on defence was naive. I think he had an issue with meeting things he didn't agree with half way which was inevitably his downfall. But it's not about that, it's about him being kicked out of the party. I agree, Angela Rayner would be a much better leader. I understand they're looking at winning a GE but I wish they would be a bit more vocal about the unfairness.
@@helenamcginty4920 I met him several times and he wasn't in the slightest bit creepy! He was a real gentleman! No side to him at all and very respectful of people especially health workers.
Excellent but extremely depressing. One of the our greatest problems in this country is our popular press and their influence on Red Wall voters. Most of these papers peddle the most pernicious political nonsense.
I keep seeing a replay of "Animal Farm" you know the scene where the old horse is sent off to the glue factory and the pigs dressed up as humans are celebrating their victory over all the farmyard!
Jeremy Corbyn is no Boxer though... (More like a king in exile.) I expect the neoliberal oinkers think that the British working classes will be their uncomplaining workhorses, like Boxer was in Animal Farm. Trouble is for oinkers, the British working class is VERY restive and verging on militant at present.. 😏 🐖🐖🐖🥓🍖🍖
You're also highlighting problems which are created in Westminster......if/when Scotland becomes independent those problems would cease....some are already being solved, I recently suffered a stroke while visiting my son and his family in Scotland...the ambulance took eight minutes to get to me and before long I was in the stroke ward in Crosshouse Hospital being cared for by nurses and doctors who knew they were respected and appreciated by their government in Edinburgh....unlike their colleagues in England.
Absolutely. (Hope you are recovering.) Whenever I visit Scotland from ROI, I get the optimistic sense of a young country trying to forge its future (despite the economic gloom and hardship that they have always faced and recently aggravated by Brexit and global downturn etc). Westminster is a dysfunctional captured institution. Devolved nations/governments should be allowed to self govern on the big issues tat the local people face. Self determination is basic democracy. Alba Soar.
40:10 - Really bad, Mr. Fisher. Suggesting that people who can't work due to needing operations should be caring for the elderly. Now I understand what is wrong with politicians. They aren't "real world" people - even the best, most socially minded of them. When someone gives up their career prospects, health and financial gain to care for their relatives, that's where you've got the best of care. The Labour Party must put family carers onnan equal footing with employed carers at least. Many family carers are foregoing their own future, careers, having children etc. to care for very needy people. Pay family carers enough, so they can continue their lives when they are older!
Starmer seems to play to the tune of the media oligarchs. Perhaps it's his strategy to use them as campaign managers on the cheap. Don't upset Murdoch; do what Blair did.
100%. When he speaks he's speaking to the media barons. He doesn't need the public to win he needs the media which is why he's happy to betray every promise he made to appease them.
@@californiadreamin8423 ask him. Even though your question is not directly relevent, here is my opinion on your whataboutery. Imo Labour should have held fire on the brexit referendum until the Electoral Commission had checked for irregularities. After the exposed breaches, they should have demanded another vote. Hindsight is wonderful.
Well alot of people left because of JC, and they're only now coming back, so I question those who changed sides for JC. Also, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Labour will win and make the country a better place, then your heroes will be plunged further into irrelevance. I'd prefer a better Britain over someone incharge who'll never win and will never change things for the better.
My son, ( now a Whitehall Grade 6 civil service economist in what was the DiT ) joined Labour as a teenager, as I did, and he was out on the doorsteps for Momentum and Corbyn during the labour leadership race. He was so enthused by the explosion in membership - especially among the young and educated. They thought that maybe, just maybe, something might change, but the moment that Corbyn annd McDonald looked like serious contenders, the establishment - the traditional one and it's sleeper cells within Labour - went into overdrive, and it hasn't stopped since. The fact that progressive, egalitarian, and socially / environmentally responsible policies were clicking with so many was absolutely terrifying to the traditional and international rentier cabal. Ever since, that ideal has to be sat on and quashed at every turn - it's electoral kryptonite, its anti-semitic, and so forth, until it arrives at the point where the mere mention of Jeremy Corbyn is enough to bury the argument. Like teenagers contracting an insult to "Your mother".
No, that "progressive egalitarian" group you speak of forced Labour into a untenable Brexit position and split the Labour vote. It was the usual leftist self-destruction.
I want a leader not afraid to form a Labour government, and not lead Labour to its worse ever general election defeat. Corbyns leadership was non existent.
Takes the piss tho having a right-wing Labour party, I understand the logic but the new party should be the centrist/right one, it just leaves such a bitter taste that the Labour party could be separated from the labour movement
Maybe you are right.. but without the change to a pr system that would be stupid as well as counterproductive.. but then again.. such motives would not be too unfamiliar..
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j no Starmer has created his own echo chamber, the people that were picked up for racism in the Forbe's report, you remember the report that Sir Saintly Starmer actually requested to sort out the Labour party, well Starmer has not acted upon it, instead he has singled out the person that the Forbe's report concluded wasn't personally responsible for the antisemitism in the Labour party from the Labour party despite saying in 2020 on his leadership campaign that MPs will be picked by the LLP yet Starmer has displayed his honesty by denying the local people to have their choice of MP because democracy is dead to Sir Saintly Starmer and I will not vote for it.
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j but respectfully, that is irrelevant. The argument here is that Islington North should be the only ones with the right to choose their candidate
I joined the Labour party because of Corbyn and left the day Starmer was voted leader. I knew what was going to happen. I wholehartedly support Corbyn, but he is too nice for politics, the others don't play by the rules. Same with Andrew, too nice. He is frustrated by Starmer, because he thinks Starmer has good intentions, that he is just playing safe, he doesn't. He is working for some very bad people who don't have the interest of the people of UK in their mind at all.
It’s a dangerous situation when you have the Tory’s on one side and an Impotent Labour Party on the other. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Nothing seems to represent me politically. I wish some of the energy shown by Union workers could translate to an option within parliament.
It sure sucks when the Tories have such a massive 80 sear majority. I still remember when Corbyn had Johnson by the political balls . Labour weren’t impotent then. I suppose it shows that Corbyn is not god, and he screwed up. It’s always the same, working people suffer.
Unfortunately, this is a result of Labour changing from a broad church to a narrow church. You are not alone, there are many of us who are left wing and no longer have a home in Labour. It is a tragedy, and only poor people will suffer. Labour is supposed to be our party, and yet, sadly, these days, it isn't.
Once upon a time, the energy of Union workers was translated into Parliamentary activity. It was called The Labour Party. Unfortunately, the party that has that name now, is not the same as that party at its inception. The party then, was one that fought against inequality and unearned privilege; Tony Benn (Viscount Stansgate) understood that. He once said "My contribution to the Labour party is that I know the British establishment inside out and what they're up to". The current leadership also know what the establishment is up to, but couldn't really give a Donald Duck when there are privileges to be awarded to the likes of 'Sir' Kier Starmer.
Loved his point about nurse wages, and really it applies to the entire nation. if people are earning too little to put food on the table, then they're not gonna be spending it in other shops and the economy will grind to a halt. The best way to get the economy moving is to make sure people have enough spare cash to spend it! And to be clear I'm talking your working and middle class people here, the elites don't spend their extra money, that's why they have so much. They just horde it in off shore tax havens
If all the Bank of England Quantatitive Easing had been distributed to ordinary peoples' bank accounts it would have been spent in the real economy. Instead it merely pushed up share prices in thecCity and worsened property inflation in London. Only 8 pence in the £ of that QE money ever got into the real economy.
dumb enough to believe working class were up for the rape of working class women imprisoned for poverty - she answered a question chose between middle class narcissist wanks or working class now she's gone so will the rest of the wanks declaring class war on poor and vulnerable having the audacity to pretend that's human rights!
I don't think the peoples Labour party needs to accept Starmer. It's the people's party not the oligarchy's party. It's not a passive aggressive or a macho thing Starmer has pulled off, it's a con on the public and it is dishonourable. So dishonourable, I'm not quite sure how he wangled 'Sir'. For Starmer to persist in smearing Jeremy Corbyn, is an utter disgrace and I feel ashamed on behalf of Starmer because he obviously has no conscience himself. Wish Andrew Fisher was the MP for Holborn and St Pancras. He would certainly know the moral path to tread.
Out of 650 MP’s, Starmer was the only one invited to become a member of the US rightwing neo-con's Trilateral Commission which explains how Starmer went from becoming an MP in 2015 to Labour leader in 5 years with the help of state broadcaster BBC etc. He's more authoritarian rightwing than many Tories, which is why the Establishment is media-grooming him for PM. Like Blair, he's a self-serving career politician and an ideal leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition in this fake democracy fraudulently disguised as real democracy. Using its propaganda-wing state broadcaster BBC and its corporate owned and controlled press, Tory or Labour governments are selected on the basis of which can best serve the interests of Establishment.
Do grown adults in a public position need to have a disciplinary procedure to let them understand that racism is wrong? I'm shocked thier expensive education didn't cover that....
I mean grown adults struggle with concepts of due process and basic fairness. I would argue you agree everyone deserves a fair and impartial hearing or nobody does, I suppose you believe nobody deserves due process? Hope nobody ever makes an accusation against you, without due process it gets very sticky.
@@user-rd7ek9ve3r I'd be happy to. Firstly, he has broken, or rowed back on every one of his leadership pledges, steering the party sharply to the right. Secondly, he has presided over an abhorent witch-hunt to oust members with any genuinely socialist leaning by characterising them as antisemitic, with even long serving Jewish members and life long anti-racist activists smeared in this way; an accusation that has been overwhelmingly dismantled in the face of judicial scrutiny. Thirdly, his maneuvering behind the scenes to securing backing from various predatory capitalist institutions while at the same time driving out hundreds of thousands of grass-roots members illustrates his true motives and allegiances. Lastly, he sought to dismantle internal party democracy by imposing an unaccountable electoral college to decide Labour policy and succeeded in undermining the power of members votes; In his most recent speech Starmer casts aside any pretence to creating a party of unity and inclusion and, if you trouble yourself to parse through his rhetoric, described a party regime that will more authoritarian, more centralised, more nationalistic and far less radical in its aims of tackling the systemic injustices of the status-quo. This may be what some are looking for from the Labour Party, but quite frankly it makes me sick to my stomach.
@@fredfredrickson5436 ahhhh you are talking about the duplicity of Stammer. The way you wrote and responded to the original post, who's subject was the guy being interviewed, I understood you were saying the interviewed guy was being false.....'his duplicity' is refering Stammer not the 'political figure' or interviewee....
It's said starmer isn't even starmer. Someone stole his identity apparently many years back and when questioned on desert island disks he acted weird to it.
Pretty sure he's always been in it for himself. Didn't he put julian assange in prison as well? Before he stabbed Corbyn in the back I mean. Edit: This comment was moved from another thread but the point still stands
My own inclination is towards socialism ( small s ) & a mixed economy so I was horrified when Blair was chosen to lead the Labour Party & which he rebranded as New Labour. The man was a Tory born & bred. New Labour has drifted more & more to the Right since then. I voted remain & later against the Conservatives but could not bring myself to vote New Labour. Going forward I will vote tactically to remove the Conservatives. I watched a video of the Starmer speech & I too was suspicious of what seemed to me to be double speak. I so wish that I could believe that Starmer was merely trying to establish his Party into UK governance & that once in power there would be a resurgence of a socialist agenda - alas I cannot. Open Question: Is there a free photo ID for voting available anywhere in the UK currently? It was supposed to be available as of June 2022. Who will be available to vote if those free 'photo IDs are not available in May 2023?
John Smiths death was a massive tragedy. If anything that was the moment to reorient the UK towards something resembling 21st Century Socialism that didn't have the country massively brought down by its unions like in the 1970s and also wasn't as grossly unequal like it is now after the 1980s horrors. Corbyn was the other opportunity alas he didn't proceed with the reforms to democracy within the Party. I really think we need a new Party that is for workers in the UK but it won't exist without Proportional Representation. My best shot is to vote for the Greens or to hope that the Labour MP they put up in my constituency is someone I would feel comfortable voting for.
@@albal156 never gunna happen when mcarthyism and far right conservstive extremism was so prevalent in the uk. They love Hitler and fascism, not marx and socialism. And half the ppl in the uk need to realise they are being targeted and picked off by the other half.
@@albal156 I was around when the Unions were demonised in the 70s - I did not believe the propaganda then & I still do not. In my opinion Thatcher & Blair were both instrumental in undermining socialism & promoting privatisation (capitalism with a capital C). The result over the ensuing years is that the UK utilities, transport systems & essential services are owned/controlled by shareholders, many of which are based off shore & many of which are actually foreign governments. Thus UK Tax payers (PAYE) as opposed to tax avoiders pay to shore them up because there is only minimum maintenance & virtually no investment & UK consumers also pay over the odds. For instance, recently the last bit of EDF has been nationalised (& macron is no socialist but at least a pragmatist). So French consumers have seen a 4% energy price hike whereas the same company that operate in the UK has helped to engineer a price hike in the UK of 54%. This difference is echoed many times over with different off shore providers. Unions negotiate for workers rights & safety at work, for paid leave etc., & as a last resort provide legal representation. Unions mostly arbitrate between workers & management & provide a service to both - the aim always is to maintain a balance between improved productivity & safe working environment. In small work places the Union Rep will also be trained by professionals provided by management re: health & safety at work regulation with regular updates. Thus Unions & Management meet regularly even in small work places to co-operate for the common good - or at least this was the case during the 70s, 80s, & 90s. I was such a union rep, first as a teacher & later in other roles in local government. Now the UK sees 0 Hour contracts with no such safety net for employees. The EU was the UK working populations last protection against its' own governments determination to deprive them of a welfare state, to destroy the democratic process ( the UK has slipped two places in the international democracy rating in recent years ) & to repeal all regulations that relate to public safety. Sigh. The EU Has inspired other small nations around the world to co-operate to resist adverse influence from both the USA & Russia & the Peace Process has maintained peace in Europe, at least within its borders, for longer than at any time in recorded history. Sadly, external threats are now taken more seriously. Sigh. Cheers.
Tosh. Feeble thinking. Preferring Tory rule . Militant Tendency Momentum pushed god to the fore , and he blew it. Think of a number between 79 and 81, and tell me it was everyone else’s fault but your failed god. Lemons trying to lead lemmings , you haven’t a clue and you don’t even know it.
@@californiadreamin8423 Atheist here. No clue what you are rambling about it's true. But I left London in 78 after watching my world, such as it was, disintegrate. Conservatives are even trying for a resurgence of the Irish 'troubles' - may they drown in the effluent that they are pouring into our rivers, lakes & seas. Fortunately the UK armed forces are now so depleted & their equipment so out dated that the the C & U Party cannot start another war elsewhere. Unfortunately, for the same reason, C & U Party cannot send the promised troops & equipment to Ukraine. Empty promises - as always - & I have been taking notice since the sixties - born 1950 - & I am not senile yet!
but it this way he will do a better job than these lying Tories partied away while people past away Boris using a Quarter of a million pounds tax payers cash get him off party gate
Andrew, please get together with Jeremy and take Starmer banning him from standing as the catalyst to start a new Progressive Socialist Party, you can either be a lone, independent in Islington North or you can be part of something and build on 2017. People believed in all that stuff and time has bourn out that things like free broadband and the 4 day week are now very acceptable and successful things. The country still needs and is crying out for radical change.
Unfortunately, being a good decent person isn't enough. If you're not part of 'the club' they'll tear you down on whatever trumped up charges they can get their grubby little mitts on.
@@jimbob-robob Might be stepping up, but is it really worth it? I would say it's equivalent to the Aztec fella who jumped in the volcano to appease the gods. I.E. although it seemed noble it was actually pointless. Andrew Fisher is probably providing more worth doing what he's doing now, than stripping down to his birthday suit and jumping into the volcano.
@MiceNotBubbles so we'll keep suffering Starmers and Streetings cos "it's not worth it" for the potential leaders we would prefer who will possibly get "destroyed" by the system in the meantime? An odd outlook...nothing will ever change then. Unless you think bottom up revolution is the way. Still need leaders for that. All working class politics is a risk and a struggle to be involved in whether in a union or in Westminster. Still need leaders for all of that too, but the gullible, servile population of England are way off revolution anyway even in these desperate times so Parliament is the only game in town unfortunately, and that's where we need people like Andrew...at the foot of the volcano ready to call time on the sacrifice thing and move the people to a more amenable mountain... Your volcano is a bit of a strained analogy strained TBF...👍🖖✊️
If you take tabloid newspapers like The Sun, The Mai, The Express ,The Telegraphy you will always have Tories in power, because media and credulity go together. That is why we have Brexit, too few people take politics seriously enough to cast an informed vote. It is partly the result of our Education System. We specialise too early, Secondary Education is to teach citizens not metier.
@@californiadreamin8423 Starmer’s 2nd Ref policy resulted in a Labour wipe out in a ‘Get Brexit Done’ election. But then Starmer would never have become leader if it hadn’t.
@@hedgiecc If Corbyn wasn’t a Brexiteer…..don’t take my word for it, listen to Diane Abbot on Robespierre yesterday, with her kiss and tell chat…it is highly likely the Referendum would have been to Remain. What a Shill, what a Benedict Arnold. Did he energise the Labour Party to campaign to Remain, because it was Labour Party policy and the majority view of people who support Labour. No he did not…..but he showed his true colours by supporting the Tories get Article 50 passed , by imposing a 3 line whip to vote for the f’ing Tories. Come on prove me wrong. You can’t even add up. What’s the average of 79 and 81 ??? The Labour Party had a snake in the grass with Corby as leader and it’s time you morons woke up.
@@hedgiecc The electorate sensed something of the night and a weak leader in Corbyn. He has actively worked to undermine Labour Party policy and the best interests of its supporters. Pushed forward by Militant Tendency rebadged as Momentum, his leadership has been a disaster. The Labour Party are well rid of him. It’s a free country and there’s plenty of room for cult political parties…..Reform U.K. are good at conning people so Corbyn should have no trouble.
What are doing?. Starmer is our only 1:30 hope of getting a labour government. Starmer isnt perfect but he's our best chance. Please support him, not keep on criticising and weaken his position.
Please god, do this. For a party that was founded by the Unions not supporting the strikes is unacceptable. They're more a centrist party than a left wing party. Bloody disgrace.
He should just join the Green party, there is already a national party structure there. And with the Corbyn factor, they would gain so many new members and finance. He won't do it though, Labour have stockholm syndromed him.
Andrew is the first English political worker I've heard point out the reality - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOVEREIGNTY. Not on a planet where the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion and is in overshoot. We need more Andrew Fischers to take the helm... Or write the near-term future script. A bit disappointed that he'd still vote/support Starmer...
the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion - you are ruling out stuff like ants worms bacteria - ants for example are estimated to have about 20 quadrillion world population - humans are kind of insiginificant
What we need is proportional representation rather than fptp! Then we can vote for who and what we believe in whilst praying the extreme right wing didn't gain too many seats!✌
I don't think there is an extreme right anymore is there ? PR is likely to mostly benefit parties like Aspire, who represent the interests of a particular demographic or religion
Did you even think about that drivel before typing it up? Ever heard of the nazis? You need to CHANGE and EVOLVE the democratic culture of this country over time before instituting PR, that is a basic fact which you libs don’t understand.
It is frustrating to hear all the bullsh1t issues thrown at us, when we just want to be able to eat and be warm. No different to early humans, but we just get to starve and freeze, rather than hunt a mammoth, and get warm from cooking it.
Keir Starmer should either approve Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour Party candidate for the next general election or Kier Starmer himself should be the Labour Party candidate for Islington North. Let the people in Islington North decide if they the electorate want Keir Starmer and Blairite New Labour or Classic Labour under Jeremy Corbyn as an independent candidate at the next general election.
Good interview here with Andrew Fisher however no mention of electoral reform. With PR the Labour party would appeal to the voters who want to vote for them because they will tackle some serious socially democratic policies such as fair pay for public sector staff. There is a progressive majority in this country whose votes in a PR system would elect Labour led coalition governments. I would argue that the reasons politicians today are afraid to be honest and courageous is because of the voting system whereby swing votes decide. It would have been good had this topic been included.
I'm not sure whether others find it easy to watch extended interviews on TH-cam - but would love it if these could also be released as a podcast for people who only have time to listen on the go!
Sir, you can listen on the go the same way. Use your phone, access the youtube, and the channel or video, play it, turn the screen off, then drive and listen, walk and listen, run and listen have it your way. These things can't be done in every format to please everyone, you my friend, can adapt to it and have it your way. It's already a podcast just wrapped into a video. Hope that helps.
Odd request, I listen to Yootoob videos mostly AS a proxy podcast on my mobile while I work. You can still listen without watching. Not sure why you don't think you can't or what the disadvantages over a podcast is.
@@edwardtheodore1427 Thanks for the reply. Though as I don't pay for youtube premium when I turn off the screen then TH-cam turns off (and without the screen off then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
@@jimbob-robob Thanks for the reply. Though it doesn't work as a podcast proxy for me as I don't pay for youtube premium- when means when I turn off the screen then TH-cam also turns off (and without the off-screen play function then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
Andrew sums it up perfectly at 5.00. Politicians need to stand up for what they believe in and allow people to judge them and decide whether or not to vote for them on that basis. The notion of winning elections at all costs and saying anything to get that cross on the ballot paper is the cancer at the heart of pretty well all politics today. It's why trust in politicians is at an all-time low. We know we can't believe anything they say. The right seems to understand this a lot better than the left these days, sadly. That's one of the reasons the likes of Trump, Bolsonaros et al are successful. Even people who don't like them will concede that they don't mince their words and that you know where you stand with them.
I agree with this. I call him Mr Flip Flop. He has an unenviable job but .... as a woman i judge him on the trans issue. He still refuses to define wtf I am. Says it all ....
People like you will leave the door open for another Tory win. This is what the Tories want you to do. Stay at home because of some small fault or flaw. Vote Tory or vote Labour, but don't stay at home.
@@liz9147 and who said anything about staying at home? Just because we won't vote Labour while it's under the grip of this Right Wing dictator called keir Starmer why you assuming we would stay at home and not vote at all?
I was backstabbed because I was old Labour or should I say real Labour, they want back in Scotland!! Pigs fly don't they!! Why the SNP keep winning there not Tories !!!
@liz9147 starmer certainly wanted a tory government over a socialist labour one!! f@#k labour now!! all the mugs that voted tory last time are suffering and they deserve it too! People are too stupid, brexit was so important 🙄
"Andrew wrote the 2019 manifesto." And how did that go? I have nothing personal against Jeremy but he did lose by an avalanche. The party needs to move on and stop squabbling with itself. You need to unite and fight the common enemy, not each other.
No, LAB lost by a small number of votes in a large number of seats. It was calculated as being less than 3000 votes nationally. This rewriting of facts is so post C19
I know it’s a bit late to write a comment but I’ve avoided watching this video and it’s the best interview I’ve heard am hoping with all that’s happened with the Labour Party the gentleman is thinking twice like me about voting for Labour withholding your vote is also an option
Just get rid of off-shore banking and trusts generally. I now have permanent Danish residency, earn double the salary, pay 60% tax and am very happy. No poverty here. The Scandinavian social democratic model is the way. Excellent health care, free education and egalitarianism.
Satarmer's rejection of 2019 is New Labour all over again: rejecting its founding principles, the Labour Party has become a mechanism to propel members of the lower middle class into boardroom sinecures, via a stint in parliament.
Anyone else seriously bored of all WEFfers that turn up on every comment board but add absolutely nothing to any debate other than their own deluded pompousness?
He hasn’t moved to the centre more to the far right and his backers are not daft - slimy Starmer has form amd his ruling class backers know that he will work for them
@@uwanttono4012 Go for it. I just love it. My Hedge Fund has already made me a fortune, and I’ll have the shirts of your backs while you’re trying to find the soup kitchen. Schmucks.
Do you think that USA interfere with our politics, I ask because there is a huge fear in USA of even the idea of Socialism, and that country has been shown to have backed for change in other countries. In the British media we see an awareness that something is happening in Tufton Street affecting many a Tory politicians view, and we have speculation that the dark money behind it may be Russian - but one sees nothing about US influence, and for them we are a satellite for their military strategies. Perhaps the reason we cannot get more progressive politics, that WILL work for the populous rather than the higher food chain, is because there are powerful forces who do not want us to have that freedom?
The scale of immigration is not trivial or minor. Immigrants, mainly young men, are coming in their thousands from countries where they are not at risk
I agree, honesty needs to be Starmer's watchword, not telling people what he thinks they want to hear. We've had 1w years and more of that, and look how few people vote. Non-voters all say, " oh they're all the same", and not vote.
Two good young men honest and wanting a fairer, well functioning country; I am 74 and recognise their frustration well and am doubtful about Starmer's forked tongue and how he sees things. But you must slough your idealisation of Corbyn who was too extreme to be elected, not enough of a politician to be PM and loved setting the cat amongst the pigeons to upset the privileged. He is yesterday and still dumb - stop arming Ukraine and peace will prevail, for God's sake!! There are so many threads in this discussion I could take up but let me isolate one, which you do not discuss, and which could make Starmer one of those unforgettable politicians you mention, and that subject is proportional representation. Starmer has set his face against this; and I wonder how Andrew Fisher feels about it? The more factional and tribal one is, the less one wants to see such a sea change in this country, which would transform it from the roots up, and which would put paid to the two old parties, Tories and Labour, forever. Starmer seems to have blown hot and cold on the issue, like some others, and one is left bewildered about this when a large majority of labour members now want change, though traiditionally they did not. But politics has changed forever while not changing at all as well, a very complex picture. I sympathise with Starmer; the Tories spend a lot of time and money trying to divide and rule the opposition and the Tory press in the UK can be counted on to devise killer messaging to support the Tory cabal. But I fear Starmer is just too suburban, just too safe and supportive of the status quo to embrace the change we need for the sake of equity and progress where the old models apply. So how do the young socialist men respond to a 74 year old on this topic?
We're back to the days of Tony Blair - Labour sacrificing their principles for power. This country will never change, the billionaires have it sown up too tight.
Andrew is absolutely on point with his analysis of the political landscape. UK politics is more or less a pageant show of the elite. The ordinary people are paying to wetness this catastrophe.
I think the general public are waking up to Toryism, whether it's Red or Blue. People will see through Starmer within 12 to 18 months of his election. Sooner hopefully. I've been a Socialist for 45 years and will never vote for a Starmer's Centrist, meaning Right-Wing, Labour Party. And as much as I'd prefer a proper Socialist alternative, along the lines of a revamped and modernised LRC, or Zara Sultana as Leader of either, I think someone like Andy Burnham, with all the criticisms levelled at him, would do a better job of leading the now toxic Labour Party than Starmer ever could.
The problem with today's party politics is that it's becoming the choice of gonorrhoea or syphilis. Both are equally painful ( i'm led to believe !) but could be treated with medical intervention or abstinence in the first place.
You can get paid more to work in Aldi than in care, so we will bring in immigrants to do the work at a cheap rate and not bother increasing wages. This is exploitation of labour and of the working class. you are allowing the exploitative employers to drive down wages and working conditions by bringing in migrant labour and this is being proposed by someone who was director of policy under corbyn. I totally despair.
Starmer should be the one who's booted out of the Labour party, doesn't belong there. Take his cronies like Streeting with him. Relying on lifelong Labour voters like myself being loyal, he's in for a shock.
When asked at a election hustings 'Why do you have a private health lobbyist on your team?' Starmer replied 'I will not accept questions on my staff' .... speaks volumes.
After viewing The Labour Files by Al Jazeera, it is my personal belief that the Labour Party is now controlled by the State. Arguments against this belief are welcomed.
Out of interest who is this person?
the answer is that the Labour Party is currently accepting large donations from American Health companies. They are also accepting donations from former Tory party donors and lobbying companies on behalf of "interested parties". Is this ethical, moral, or indeed principled? Answers on the back of a blank cheque, please.
@@blue47er we're heading in that direction no matter who gets into power
@@n00bma5ter69 that's why there needs to be serious change; starmer is a tool to extract the tories, and then he must go. He missed his opportunity to stick a stake in the ground from the getgo, as the lib dems did with their return to the EU and universal basic income, which is a sound economic policy, while solving the collapse of the standards of living. The brexiteers and tories have been getting away with tweaking and legitimated racism and xenophobia to get votes, and indeed street violence. Someone has to puncture the rubber boat nonsense
"I would rather Jeremy Corbyn looked a scruff than bombed Libya" soooo true! The perfect statement to reflect the dismal state of British politics.
it's no effort to turn up to parliament not looking like a bag of shit though is it. may not matter to you, but it does to some people - plenty of the working class, in fact. and the fact that he didn't understand this is just one of the litany of the reasons that he didn't get anywhere.
@sidevans1 I think the emphasis we place as a society on how we look, which is often prized far higher than how we behave, is a real reflection of the issues in this country, and is probably one if the reasons we have ended up with a parliament full of vacuous and sub-par people. It is also an incredibly subjective thing, I actually think Jeremy generally looks very nice, but how he looks is not something measurable on which votes should be cast either way.
@@josephineh6154 fine, that's your opinion. if everyone thought like you then he'd be prime minister - and here we are. you need to understand the country you want to govern to be able to govern it. he didn't. i don't think he could be arsed to govern it anyway, but that's another argument.
But you can't stop the bombing of libya if you are not in power. That is what the far left of Labour seem to be missing. Your principle means nothing if you cannot enact it. At worst people think they are more important than actually helping people.
I love that line as well 😆
How is it that recognising the Palestinian people as deserving of basic human rights is now "anti-semitic"?
As someone who is friends with and who organises often with many left-wing Jewish people, who themselves share similare views with me on zionism and on the modern-day apartheid state of Israel and it's far-right government, I really can't wait for us to move past this cowardly phase on the left so that we can have actual conversations again instead of tiptoe-ing around the issue for fear of being labeled an anti-semite.
You were 6 times more likely to get kicked out of Labour for antisemitism if... wait for it... you were Jewish. Go figure.
Wait for it, it'll soon be illegal to question or criticise the government. Just look at the proposed anti-strike laws
'They' have changed antisemitism to include criticism of the state of Israel.
Think you'll find those equating AS with apartheid Israel are not actually left, but neoliberals.
@Littlestone 100% in agreement with you. The label stuck on Jeremy Corbyn was sold through the propaganda press . Starmer is more and more akin to a Tory sitting in. the Labour benches ...
When Starmer says that if people still support Corbyn then they can leave, does he also mean this for Labour voters?
No
@@gilldanier4129 it was supposed to be rhetorical but thx 😂
Well said and yes it's like saying fu labour voters who support Jeremy Corbyn why because Jeremy has a bigger fan base for sure so he's a threat to starmers chances of being pm if he gives him back the whip
I couldn't in good conscience vote either main parties. It's a farce. We need PR to give others incentives and a chance. Happy to have a hung parliament with neither Labour or Tory getting in. Rhetoric pours out of their lying mouths
@@gilldanier4129 I'll think you'll find that's how labour voters are going to interpret it
Andrew, you need to know loads and loads of people supported the policies and ideas that you worked for, and we still do. Thank you for your work.
Not enough to win the election, though.
So few infact, those policies and ideas led to the election of perhaps the most dangerous man in British Politics by giving him a large majority. An utter buffoon beat those ideas.
You can have all the ideas you want, but it means nothing without the power to implement them.
"The Tories have wrecked the country but don't worry, the Labour party will keep things as they are" is a great summary of Starmer's messaging.
100% true..Starmer is Tory lite and nothing will change if Liebour are elected.
@@idonthavealoginname an improvement on further tory heists at least.
@@weirdlytrue no
Tory boy Starmer will only carry on and continue current Tory policies. He's clearly one of them.
@@weirdlytrue Nothing will change under Starmer but maybe he will shuffle a few deck chairs on the sinking ship SS Great Britain ...
@44:00 I think what the last few years has shown is that the rich will not, under any circumstances allow neoliberalism to die, that why they are happy to spend much more fighting the unions than what the unions were asking for, its not a question of tory or labour now, neither party will challenge it, the only opportunity was with JC's labour but that won't be allowed to happen again.
Because he was a loser and lost twice and the public rejected it en mass !!
@@1ramises We don't live in a democracy. More people voted for Jeremy and won a larger portion of the votes than Blair.
@@1ramises no. Because the public are vile little scabs who think they're working class but are actually just precarious scabs.
@@robsonbarstow9355 Hang on, you can’t have it both ways. The paragon of socialism, a lifetime in politics , those dark smoke filled meetings plotting i mean deciding on strategy, couldn’t handle the blond buffoon who spends more time in bed than in politics. Well Jewemy blew it , we’re all feeling the painful consequences, and it’s high time he’s gone. Even now, today, he’s a gift for the Tories , trying to stay in government.
@@1ramises he was not a looser
Could Andrew Fisher and GarysEconomics talk to JC and put a TH-cam channel together to educate the nation please?
We need to understand and get answers to where the "£700 billion" came from. Educate the masses because that's what those in power fear the most!
Btw keep up the good work Joe
👍🏻 Yep, we've absolutely got to give people the information they need, in an easy to digest, relatable & memorable way, so they're not hoodwinked by the self serving media class or things will continue to get worse
Try Hansard….that might tell you why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support the Tories enact Article 50 !! Oh you’ve forgotten already , allow me to remind you, that’s the “project” which is costing the country a 4% reduction in long term GDP and turned this country into a prison island. Yes talk to Corbyn by all means and ask him why he betrayed the Labour Party ?
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Is that the EU Referendum Act?
@@SkyEcho7 Sorry , typing error Article 50.
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Invoking the EU Withdrawal Act, Article 50 - The one Gina Millar had to take to court to get May's Government to allow UK Parliament to play its constitutional part in?
Triggered the start of the two year negotiations between UK Parliament & the EU - Enacting 'The will of the people'.
Unions should pull funding. If Starmer and Labour want to be Tory 2.0 then they should fund themselves and see how far they get without their grassroots.
What a great way to hand an election to the tory's
@Nathan Eddy And having Starmer's Labour continuing as present would be different how? A different rosette colour? Great. It's not a sports game.
If Labour doesn't represent labour *through choices they themselves made* then the unions shouldn't support them.
@@pee-ray5760 I'm sorry what a liberal labour is 1000 times better than Tory's what kind of virtue signalling bullshit is this. They literally want to strip away human fucking rights we don't have time to deal with your little virtue signals.
Not to mention... Labour represents labour... It's circular the labour party represents the labour party. Do you not understand how labour leaders are elected....
unions want a labour government.
@@sidevans1 Although I am a member of the Green Party, I would quite like a Labour government, too. But would a Starmer government be Labour?
And you were exactly right about public ownership look what's happened with those utilities it's scandalous
Great summary of where we are in this country right now and I will certainly be sharing this video with people I know. Thanks to Andrew for taking the time to be honest about Britain as it is today.
We welcome the honourable Jeremy Corbyn to run independent for the mayor of London. He is a champion for human rights, workers, rights, quality and diversity sure seat for Jeremy
Well said !!!
let him win his seat first, that's one less for the new liebour starmer party
Unfortunately, Jeremy Corbyn still refuses to acknowledge the fact the Blairite/pro-Israel lobby controls the Labour Party. His refusal to do so is a shameful betrayal of the majority of Labour voters and supporters, including the Jews in the Labour Party who oppose the brutal Israeli apartheid regime. "Jeremy Corbyn wasted an unprecedented opportunity to use his position as Leader of the Opposition call out the bogus 'antisemitism' campaign against him and some of his most loyal supporters, who were thrown to the wolves in the Labour Party's disciplinary process. Instead of that, he took a back-foot approach and appeased his accusers. If he had spoken up on this, the MSM would have had no option but to report him". He still has credibility with millions who would know he was telling the truth and could not be ignored by mainstream media. But it's probably too dangerous. Knowing how ruthless this system is e.g. the fate of David Kelly, Jill Dando and other brave whistleblowers.
What about his constituents though??
I don't know about Kier starmers constituents some agree with him some don't it's the same in every part of the country depends on what people want from labour leader and his policy's some agree some disagree
Keir Starmer was more than happy with Jeremy's principals when he had a chance to be in his shadow front bench in 2019. But low and behold, here Starmer is in 2023 with a whole new set of principals he thinks the frothing gammon will like. He is a bottle job also because he is absolutely terrified of fleet street and the far right tabloid cartel.
A human rights lawyer that can't see how the government commit those abuses on a daily.
You can find out all about Corbyn and Starmer if you listen to Diane Abbots kiss and tell interview , on Robespierre this morning.
He's got nothing to be afraid of he will never be PM.
I think he's not afraid of them. He genuinely believes that if he's a good boy, slicks his hair and ticks all their boxes, that they'll actually end up backing him, and gladly. He thinks he's the next Tony.
He seems to think that the Tories won't have a box under the desk with his name on it. If they get it out, and empty it all over the dispact box on live tv, watch for the look on his face, because it's going to be priceless.
When will the right of the Labour party learn. Politics isn’t about being in office; it’s about political purity. The last thing you want to do is win and soil yourself with the grubby business of power.
Andrew Fisher, you're a GOOD man and I share many of your thoughts. Thank you for your contribution which by far transcends the limitations of the current debate. Keep Well!
He's a hack 😂
Here’s an idea. What about after the Next Election. Keir Starmer is leader of the Conservative party and Mick Lynch Prime Minister 🤔
We might then get some reformist crumbs but would we get more - actual social and economic system change?
@@mattw9764 Well, that may of been said tongue in cheek, but the sentiment has truth. Labour has another Tony Blair type playing up to the establishment powers that be. And in reality not much would probably change. However, I hope I’m wrong. What I would really like to see, is him showing pretense now and then In government doing the right things for the people . Tony Blair came in with a wave of optimism with “ things can only get better “ for a while they did, then the proxy Gulf war. We had odd improvements, but we could have had far more advances. I think ,learning from the past and whatever progress he makes , he should go with many in the Labour Party now, and change the voting system to a type of PR where everybody’s vote actually counts. I know personally, so many people, who do not vote now through Apathy. And I personally would like to see the birth of new , fresh political parties and the re-birth of Labour . When all said and done, I have conservative voting friends and relations and they’re fed up with them now. With the corrupt, outdated electoral system we have , that saying “ It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in” rings true
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Imagine a UK Governed freely by Mick Lynch An Jeremy Corbyn.... Actual human beings that care about other human beings.... as opposed to the sociopathic, entitled, millionaire corporate stooges currently destroying the working classes for the benefit of the greedy.
The British people would vote for the nazi party headed with the Austrian painter provided he promised buoyant property market.
I like Jeremy Corbyn. I think that he was badly treated by so many.. He had some very good ideas that were later stolen by the tories and his nationalised ideas for railway and others should go ahead. Compared with Johnson and his lies , Jeremy is a good man and hasn't been given a chance.
he had two chances, didnt win either election.
I really enjoyed this conversation. Anyone who has a wince of integrity and a spec of intelligence can clearly see why they kicked Corbyn out of the party. Unfortunately the apathetic won't watch, but will continue reading newspapers, and the "institutionalised" will ignore it, as having Corbyn out supports their agenda.
you may like this, it was my comment above
The people you are talking about that can lead the Labour Party with ideas and charisma don’t get to survive due to the Tory biased nature of the British media, nearly all of it (David Eggerton's The Rise and Fall Of The British Nation), how our propaganda system works, Herman/Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent). The first past the post system, the two-party system that arises out of that, the silly way the house of Lords is selected and non-democratic, the huge inequality, the mill stone of imperial history, associated jingoism, misogyny and racism all work against these people surviving. From what I know Jeremy Corbyn is a perfect eg of this, from one of these casts, in his own words it is obvious he is not antisemitic or ever was. He was stitched up by the establishment as his policies were running the risk of working and they cannot afford that to occur, for its own sake and as an example to follow. Even you guys here played into that, you did not refute these slurs against Jeremy, yet mentioned them in passing, tacitly reinforcing those erroneous ideas. This is why the people are leaving the Labour Party, despite the obvious viciousness of the Tories against ordinary people. This should be a time people flock to join the Labour Party and they would if Jeremey were leader and did.
This is very dangerous, as you indeed point out the next Labour Party is likely to disappoint and there is, a very real possibility people, I think, will turn to populist people offering simplistic solutions, like Ukip, or whatever it is called now and Farage, ie fascists. This is why Labour need people like Jeremy Corbyn’s and Starmer is playing a very silly game by undermining them. The Tories are chasing the Farage faction already. Trying to stop their loony fringes migrating to the extreme right parties. Several of their eg ex Thatcher Ministers have gone across and the Tories only have a fringe left. This is a very dangerous development. Read The Death Of Democracy and The Rise Of Hitler (sorry can’t remember the author off the top of my head, search it, it’s a recent book by an academic). In this you can see how a country can take the road to Nazism and the UK at present has many of the ingredients required, as shown in that book. For this reason, I have lost a lot of respect for Starmer and his team.
I may be wrong and once in power Labour turns out better than I imagine they will be. I hope so, for the long run. They need to build Britain as a Nation, ie the things Jeremy was talking about, the things they are running away from in fear, gutless wonders, machine men. No wonder members are leaving the Labour party in droves. I reckon I would be if were in it and in the UK. AA the big mill stone for the UK is its whole undemocratic political system, totally biased against the people, that is the root of the problem. It is amazing that Atlee achieved what he did in that system. Just stunning.
Sorry but I never liked Corbyn. Having said that I have never met him but something about his public persona gave me the creeps. I am not keen on Starmer either. I hoped for better but he seems spineless. He has no spark. The leading women on his front bench seem much more on the ball.
@@helenamcginty4920 Corbyn definitely wasn't perfect. I especially think his stance on defence was naive. I think he had an issue with meeting things he didn't agree with half way which was inevitably his downfall. But it's not about that, it's about him being kicked out of the party. I agree, Angela Rayner would be a much better leader. I understand they're looking at winning a GE but I wish they would be a bit more vocal about the unfairness.
@@helenamcginty4920 his public persona was propagated by his enemies. And you fell for it!
@@helenamcginty4920 I met him several times and he wasn't in the slightest bit creepy! He was a real gentleman! No side to him at all and very respectful of people especially health workers.
Excellent but extremely depressing. One of the our greatest problems in this country is our popular press and their influence on Red Wall voters. Most of these papers peddle the most pernicious political nonsense.
I keep seeing a replay of "Animal Farm" you know the scene where the old horse is sent off to the glue factory and the pigs dressed up as humans are celebrating their victory over all the farmyard!
Yeah... Socialists
@@hawklord100 Soi-disant. 😏
Jeremy Corbyn is no Boxer though... (More like a king in exile.)
I expect the neoliberal oinkers think that the British working classes will be their uncomplaining workhorses, like Boxer was in Animal Farm. Trouble is for oinkers, the British working class is VERY restive and verging on militant at present.. 😏
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I'm Boxer! I'm Boxer!......we are all Boxer, and sold down the river by Starmer's Labour.
@@hawklord100 Lesson is Power corrupts and we see this in all parties and the police today.
I've seen more backbone in a jellyfish than the back stabber starmer.
I see you get your jokes from the Beano.
You're also highlighting problems which are created in Westminster......if/when Scotland becomes independent those problems would cease....some are already being solved, I recently suffered a stroke while visiting my son and his family in Scotland...the ambulance took eight minutes to get to me and before long I was in the stroke ward in Crosshouse Hospital being cared for by nurses and doctors who knew they were respected and appreciated by their government in Edinburgh....unlike their colleagues in England.
Absolutely. (Hope you are recovering.) Whenever I visit Scotland from ROI, I get the optimistic sense of a young country trying to forge its future (despite the economic gloom and hardship that they have always faced and recently aggravated by Brexit and global downturn etc). Westminster is a dysfunctional captured institution. Devolved nations/governments should be allowed to self govern on the big issues tat the local people face. Self determination is basic democracy. Alba Soar.
Good luck hope you are keeping well
I suffered a stroke in Scotland, care was great.
Scotland benefits because it takes more money from Westminster than it gives. Look at per capita spending for each region in the UK...
@@baratoplata7050 Takes???????
40:10 - Really bad, Mr. Fisher. Suggesting that people who can't work due to needing operations should be caring for the elderly. Now I understand what is wrong with politicians. They aren't "real world" people - even the best, most socially minded of them.
When someone gives up their career prospects, health and financial gain to care for their relatives, that's where you've got the best of care. The Labour Party must put family carers onnan equal footing with employed carers at least. Many family carers are foregoing their own future, careers, having children etc. to care for very needy people.
Pay family carers enough, so they can continue their lives when they are older!
Starmer seems to play to the tune of the media oligarchs. Perhaps it's his strategy to use them as campaign managers on the cheap. Don't upset Murdoch; do what Blair did.
100%. When he speaks he's speaking to the media barons. He doesn't need the public to win he needs the media which is why he's happy to betray every promise he made to appease them.
Just another empty soul in a hollow suit.
@@paulies5407 why not look up Mcliable soulless, I think not.
Care to explain why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support the Tories enact Article 50 ?
@@californiadreamin8423 ask him. Even though your question is not directly relevent, here is my opinion on your whataboutery. Imo Labour should have held fire on the brexit referendum until the Electoral Commission had checked for irregularities. After the exposed breaches, they should have demanded another vote. Hindsight is wonderful.
Jeremy was demonised. The corporate media plays a BIG ROLE
I returned to the Labour Party when JC became leader, but given the way that KS is leading, it is not Labour so has lost my vote.
bye
Well alot of people left because of JC, and they're only now coming back, so I question those who changed sides for JC. Also, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Labour will win and make the country a better place, then your heroes will be plunged further into irrelevance. I'd prefer a better Britain over someone incharge who'll never win and will never change things for the better.
My son, ( now a Whitehall Grade 6 civil service economist in what was the DiT ) joined Labour as a teenager, as I did, and he was out on the doorsteps for Momentum and Corbyn during the labour leadership race. He was so enthused by the explosion in membership - especially among the young and educated. They thought that maybe, just maybe, something might change, but the moment that Corbyn annd McDonald looked like serious contenders, the establishment - the traditional one and it's sleeper cells within Labour - went into overdrive, and it hasn't stopped since. The fact that progressive, egalitarian, and socially / environmentally responsible policies were clicking with so many was absolutely terrifying to the traditional and international rentier cabal. Ever since, that ideal has to be sat on and quashed at every turn - it's electoral kryptonite, its anti-semitic, and so forth, until it arrives at the point where the mere mention of Jeremy Corbyn is enough to bury the argument. Like teenagers contracting an insult to "Your mother".
No, that "progressive egalitarian" group you speak of forced Labour into a untenable Brexit position and split the Labour vote. It was the usual leftist self-destruction.
Starmer is showing a dictatorial side as opposed to being leader..
You don't say!! 😄😄
I want a leader not afraid to form a Labour government, and not lead Labour to its worse ever general election defeat. Corbyns leadership was non existent.
Starmer has basically declared the Labour Party to be fundamentally economically right-wing . This is a sad day indeed. We need a new Left party.
Why did you think Starmer a Knight of the Realm, got into Labour the working mans party. He was the viper in the nest.
Takes the piss tho having a right-wing Labour party, I understand the logic but the new party should be the centrist/right one, it just leaves such a bitter taste that the Labour party could be separated from the labour movement
Maybe you are right.. but without the change to a pr system that would be stupid as well as counterproductive.. but then again.. such motives would not be too unfamiliar..
Not Left vs Right, Working Class vs Elite
@@maherhamadouch2005 that's the problem the majority are neither of those.
Jeremy needs to stand as an independent, tell Starmer to sod off. He will get voted back in again.
Just as Livingston was when Blair selected someone else in the Mayor election...
@Samuel Like when he promised to stand shoulder to shoulder with unions in his 10 pledges to get elected?
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j no Starmer has created his own echo chamber, the people that were picked up for racism in the Forbe's report, you remember the report that Sir Saintly Starmer actually requested to sort out the Labour party, well Starmer has not acted upon it, instead he has singled out the person that the Forbe's report concluded wasn't personally responsible for the antisemitism in the Labour party from the Labour party despite saying in 2020 on his leadership campaign that MPs will be picked by the LLP yet Starmer has displayed his honesty by denying the local people to have their choice of MP because democracy is dead to Sir Saintly Starmer and I will not vote for it.
@Samuel 🤣🤣
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j but respectfully, that is irrelevant. The argument here is that Islington North should be the only ones with the right to choose their candidate
I joined the Labour party because of Corbyn and left the day Starmer was voted leader. I knew what was going to happen. I wholehartedly support Corbyn, but he is too nice for politics, the others don't play by the rules. Same with Andrew, too nice. He is frustrated by Starmer, because he thinks Starmer has good intentions, that he is just playing safe, he doesn't. He is working for some very bad people who don't have the interest of the people of UK in their mind at all.
It’s a dangerous situation when you have the Tory’s on one side and an Impotent Labour Party on the other. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Nothing seems to represent me politically. I wish some of the energy shown by Union workers could translate to an option within parliament.
Start a new party, many people would join.
It sure sucks when the Tories have such a massive 80 sear majority. I still remember when Corbyn had Johnson by the political balls . Labour weren’t impotent then. I suppose it shows that Corbyn is not god, and he screwed up. It’s always the same, working people suffer.
Unfortunately, this is a result of Labour changing from a broad church to a narrow church. You are not alone, there are many of us who are left wing and no longer have a home in Labour. It is a tragedy, and only poor people will suffer. Labour is supposed to be our party, and yet, sadly, these days, it isn't.
Once upon a time, the energy of Union workers was translated into Parliamentary activity. It was called The Labour Party. Unfortunately, the party that has that name now, is not the same as that party at its inception. The party then, was one that fought against inequality and unearned privilege; Tony Benn (Viscount Stansgate) understood that. He once said "My contribution to the Labour party is that I know the British establishment inside out and what they're up to". The current leadership also know what the establishment is up to, but couldn't really give a Donald Duck when there are privileges to be awarded to the likes of 'Sir' Kier Starmer.
@@CharlieMac53 Anthony Wedgewood Benn was as much use as Corbyn for working people, lots of hot air, something you display here in abundance.
Loved his point about nurse wages, and really it applies to the entire nation. if people are earning too little to put food on the table, then they're not gonna be spending it in other shops and the economy will grind to a halt. The best way to get the economy moving is to make sure people have enough spare cash to spend it!
And to be clear I'm talking your working and middle class people here, the elites don't spend their extra money, that's why they have so much. They just horde it in off shore tax havens
Keynesism. I like your cmment.
If all the Bank of England Quantatitive Easing had been distributed to ordinary peoples' bank accounts it would have been spent in the real economy. Instead it merely pushed up share prices in thecCity and worsened property inflation in London. Only 8 pence in the £ of that QE money ever got into the real economy.
Won't do them any good in the end 🙂🙂
Tory apologists for not having wealth or windfall taxes love to claim The Rich would relocate abroad and not pay taxes or invest in Britain (?!!) 😅
How about Nicola Sturgeon.....I would suggest that she is, or was, someone who wasn't afraid to answer difficult questions.
And she doesn't waffle through the answers either. Straight to the point.
Hahaha! That's a laugh - she gave up her 16 year power trip yesterday because shit was away to stick to her. Best running before you can be caught!!
dumb enough to believe working class were up for the rape of working class women imprisoned for poverty - she answered a question chose between middle class narcissist wanks or working class now she's gone so will the rest of the wanks declaring class war on poor and vulnerable having the audacity to pretend that's human rights!
@@np1584 Blah blah blah.
I'd also say Mhairi Black.
I don't think the peoples Labour party needs to accept Starmer. It's the people's party not the oligarchy's party. It's not a passive aggressive or a macho thing Starmer has pulled off, it's a con on the public and it is dishonourable. So dishonourable, I'm not quite sure how he wangled 'Sir'. For Starmer to persist in smearing Jeremy Corbyn, is an utter disgrace and I feel ashamed on behalf of Starmer because he obviously has no conscience himself. Wish Andrew Fisher was the MP for Holborn and St Pancras. He would certainly know the moral path to tread.
Out of 650 MP’s, Starmer was the only one invited to become a member of the US rightwing neo-con's Trilateral Commission which explains how Starmer went from becoming an MP in 2015 to Labour leader in 5 years with the help of state broadcaster BBC etc. He's more authoritarian rightwing than many Tories, which is why the Establishment is media-grooming him for PM. Like Blair, he's a self-serving career politician and an ideal leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition in this fake democracy fraudulently disguised as real democracy. Using its propaganda-wing state broadcaster BBC and its corporate owned and controlled press, Tory or Labour governments are selected on the basis of which can best serve the interests of Establishment.
The PLP? The Hatchet job done on the ex leader? The drive for power at all cost? Not supporting the striking workers?
Do grown adults in a public position need to have a disciplinary procedure to let them understand that racism is wrong? I'm shocked thier expensive education didn't cover that....
Their expensive education TAUGHT them to be racist, didn't it?
I mean grown adults struggle with concepts of due process and basic fairness. I would argue you agree everyone deserves a fair and impartial hearing or nobody does, I suppose you believe nobody deserves due process? Hope nobody ever makes an accusation against you, without due process it gets very sticky.
Outstanding. The first political figure I’ve seen nailing the current situation with honesty in a very long time.
The only thing outstanding is his duplicity, and it sticks out a mile. Have a word with yourself, you can't nail smoke to a mirror.
Who herr Starmer? A man with no moral spine!
@@fredfredrickson5436 can you explain this duplicity, examples Reasons ect? Not to question but to understand your perspective more?
@@user-rd7ek9ve3r I'd be happy to. Firstly, he has broken, or rowed back on every one of his leadership pledges, steering the party sharply to the right. Secondly, he has presided over an abhorent witch-hunt to oust members with any genuinely socialist leaning by characterising them as antisemitic, with even long serving Jewish members and life long anti-racist activists smeared in this way; an accusation that has been overwhelmingly dismantled in the face of judicial scrutiny. Thirdly, his maneuvering behind the scenes to securing backing from various predatory capitalist institutions while at the same time driving out hundreds of thousands of grass-roots members illustrates his true motives and allegiances. Lastly, he sought to dismantle internal party democracy by imposing an unaccountable electoral college to decide Labour policy and succeeded in undermining the power of members votes; In his most recent speech Starmer casts aside any pretence to creating a party of unity and inclusion and, if you trouble yourself to parse through his rhetoric, described a party regime that will more authoritarian, more centralised, more nationalistic and far less radical in its aims of tackling the systemic injustices of the status-quo. This may be what some are looking for from the Labour Party, but quite frankly it makes me sick to my stomach.
@@fredfredrickson5436 ahhhh you are talking about the duplicity of Stammer. The way you wrote and responded to the original post, who's subject was the guy being interviewed, I understood you were saying the interviewed guy was being false.....'his duplicity' is refering Stammer not the 'political figure' or interviewee....
It's said starmer isn't even starmer. Someone stole his identity apparently many years back and when questioned on desert island disks he acted weird to it.
Pretty sure he's always been in it for himself. Didn't he put julian assange in prison as well? Before he stabbed Corbyn in the back I mean.
Edit: This comment was moved from another thread but the point still stands
That explains why he just pointed and screamed when I bumped into him on the street that time.
He smiles to your face and all the time he wants to take your place, the backstabber, Starmer.
Great tune, very apt.
My own inclination is towards socialism ( small s ) & a mixed economy so I was horrified when Blair was chosen to lead the Labour Party & which he rebranded as New Labour. The man was a Tory born & bred. New Labour has drifted more & more to the Right since then. I voted remain & later against the Conservatives but could not bring myself to vote New Labour. Going forward I will vote tactically to remove the Conservatives. I watched a video of the Starmer speech & I too was suspicious of what seemed to me to be double speak. I so wish that I could believe that Starmer was merely trying to establish his Party into UK governance & that once in power there would be a resurgence of a socialist agenda - alas I cannot. Open Question: Is there a free photo ID for voting available anywhere in the UK currently? It was supposed to be available as of June 2022. Who will be available to vote if those free 'photo IDs are not available in May 2023?
John Smiths death was a massive tragedy. If anything that was the moment to reorient the UK towards something resembling 21st Century Socialism that didn't have the country massively brought down by its unions like in the 1970s and also wasn't as grossly unequal like it is now after the 1980s horrors. Corbyn was the other opportunity alas he didn't proceed with the reforms to democracy within the Party. I really think we need a new Party that is for workers in the UK but it won't exist without Proportional Representation. My best shot is to vote for the Greens or to hope that the Labour MP they put up in my constituency is someone I would feel comfortable voting for.
@@albal156 never gunna happen when mcarthyism and far right conservstive extremism was so prevalent in the uk. They love Hitler and fascism, not marx and socialism. And half the ppl in the uk need to realise they are being targeted and picked off by the other half.
@@albal156 I was around when the Unions were demonised in the 70s - I did not believe the propaganda then & I still do not. In my opinion Thatcher & Blair were both instrumental in undermining socialism & promoting privatisation (capitalism with a capital C). The result over the ensuing years is that the UK utilities, transport systems & essential services are owned/controlled by shareholders, many of which are based off shore & many of which are actually foreign governments. Thus UK Tax payers (PAYE) as opposed to tax avoiders pay to shore them up because there is only minimum maintenance & virtually no investment & UK consumers also pay over the odds. For instance, recently the last bit of EDF has been nationalised (& macron is no socialist but at least a pragmatist). So French consumers have seen a 4% energy price hike whereas the same company that operate in the UK has helped to engineer a price hike in the UK of 54%. This difference is echoed many times over with different off shore providers. Unions negotiate for workers rights & safety at work, for paid leave etc., & as a last resort provide legal representation. Unions mostly arbitrate between workers & management & provide a service to both - the aim always is to maintain a balance between improved productivity & safe working environment. In small work places the Union Rep will also be trained by professionals provided by management re: health & safety at work regulation with regular updates. Thus Unions & Management meet regularly even in small work places to co-operate for the common good - or at least this was the case during the 70s, 80s, & 90s. I was such a union rep, first as a teacher & later in other roles in local government. Now the UK sees 0 Hour contracts with no such safety net for employees. The EU was the UK working populations last protection against its' own governments determination to deprive them of a welfare state, to destroy the democratic process ( the UK has slipped two places in the international democracy rating in recent years ) & to repeal all regulations that relate to public safety. Sigh. The EU Has inspired other small nations around the world to co-operate to resist adverse influence from both the USA & Russia & the Peace Process has maintained peace in Europe, at least within its borders, for longer than at any time in recorded history. Sadly, external threats are now taken more seriously. Sigh. Cheers.
Tosh. Feeble thinking. Preferring Tory rule . Militant Tendency Momentum pushed god to the fore , and he blew it. Think of a number between 79 and 81, and tell me it was everyone else’s fault but your failed god. Lemons trying to lead lemmings , you haven’t a clue and you don’t even know it.
@@californiadreamin8423 Atheist here. No clue what you are rambling about it's true. But I left London in 78 after watching my world, such as it was, disintegrate. Conservatives are even trying for a resurgence of the Irish 'troubles' - may they drown in the effluent that they are pouring into our rivers, lakes & seas. Fortunately the UK armed forces are now so depleted & their equipment so out dated that the the C & U Party cannot start another war elsewhere. Unfortunately, for the same reason, C & U Party cannot send the promised troops & equipment to Ukraine. Empty promises - as always - & I have been taking notice since the sixties - born 1950 - & I am not senile yet!
Amen to the simplicity of truth in politics. I just can't trust Starmer because I don't know what he stands for.
but it this way he will do a better job than these lying Tories partied away while people past away Boris using a Quarter of a million pounds tax payers cash get him off party gate
he's standing as the labour candidate for prime minister, mike. this stuff isn't hard.
@@sidevans1 spot on
He stands for less altruism.
Andrew, please get together with Jeremy and take Starmer banning him from standing as the catalyst to start a new Progressive Socialist Party, you can either be a lone, independent in Islington North or you can be part of something and build on 2017. People believed in all that stuff and time has bourn out that things like free broadband and the 4 day week are now very acceptable and successful things. The country still needs and is crying out for radical change.
GOOD STUFF! Need people like this to step up to leadership...
Unfortunately, being a good decent person isn't enough. If you're not part of 'the club' they'll tear you down on whatever trumped up charges they can get their grubby little mitts on.
@@smon4164 that's what "stepping up" means...facing the headwinds...
@@jimbob-robob Might be stepping up, but is it really worth it? I would say it's equivalent to the Aztec fella who jumped in the volcano to appease the gods. I.E. although it seemed noble it was actually pointless.
Andrew Fisher is probably providing more worth doing what he's doing now, than stripping down to his birthday suit and jumping into the volcano.
@MiceNotBubbles so we'll keep suffering Starmers and Streetings cos "it's not worth it" for the potential leaders we would prefer who will possibly get "destroyed" by the system in the meantime? An odd outlook...nothing will ever change then. Unless you think bottom up revolution is the way. Still need leaders for that. All working class politics is a risk and a struggle to be involved in whether in a union or in Westminster. Still need leaders for all of that too, but the gullible, servile population of England are way off revolution anyway even in these desperate times so Parliament is the only game in town unfortunately, and that's where we need people like Andrew...at the foot of the volcano ready to call time on the sacrifice thing and move the people to a more amenable mountain...
Your volcano is a bit of a strained analogy strained TBF...👍🖖✊️
he was in the leadership. the leadership that ended with an 80 seat tory majority and brexit.
If you take tabloid newspapers like The Sun, The Mai, The Express ,The Telegraphy you will always have Tories in power, because media and credulity go together. That is why we have Brexit, too few people take politics seriously enough to cast an informed vote. It is partly the result of our Education System. We specialise too early, Secondary Education is to teach citizens not metier.
Great interview! Andrew is one of the good ones. So articulate and knowledgeable.
Didn’t help in 2019 though ? Figured out why ?
@@californiadreamin8423 Starmer’s 2nd Ref policy resulted in a Labour wipe out in a ‘Get Brexit Done’ election. But then Starmer would never have become leader if it hadn’t.
@@hedgiecc If Corbyn wasn’t a Brexiteer…..don’t take my word for it, listen to Diane Abbot on Robespierre yesterday, with her kiss and tell chat…it is highly likely the Referendum would have been to Remain. What a Shill, what a Benedict Arnold. Did he energise the Labour Party to campaign to Remain, because it was Labour Party policy and the majority view of people who support Labour. No he did not…..but he showed his true colours by supporting the Tories get Article 50 passed , by imposing a 3 line whip to vote for the f’ing Tories.
Come on prove me wrong. You can’t even add up. What’s the average of 79 and 81 ??? The Labour Party had a snake in the grass with Corby as leader and it’s time you morons woke up.
@@hedgiecc The electorate sensed something of the night and a weak leader in Corbyn. He has actively worked to undermine Labour Party policy and the best interests of its supporters. Pushed forward by Militant Tendency rebadged as Momentum, his leadership has been a disaster.
The Labour Party are well rid of him. It’s a free country and there’s plenty of room for cult political parties…..Reform U.K. are good at conning people so Corbyn should have no trouble.
What are doing?. Starmer is our only 1:30 hope of getting a labour government. Starmer isnt perfect but he's our best chance. Please support him, not keep on criticising and weaken his position.
Corbyn should set up a new party, its not as if it wouldn't get the votes
Please god, do this. For a party that was founded by the Unions not supporting the strikes is unacceptable. They're more a centrist party than a left wing party. Bloody disgrace.
I'd definitely vote
He should just join the Green party, there is already a national party structure there. And with the Corbyn factor, they would gain so many new members and finance. He won't do it though, Labour have stockholm syndromed him.
Not enough young/progressive voters in this shithole country for that.
@@eversonthomas8922 join with Caroline Lucas ffs!!
Remember the attempt to overturn May, as long as Corbyn wasn't in charge.
You shouldn't be voting for LABOUR UNDER STARMER
Andrew is the first English political worker I've heard point out the reality - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOVEREIGNTY. Not on a planet where the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion and is in overshoot. We need more Andrew Fischers to take the helm... Or write the near-term future script. A bit disappointed that he'd still vote/support Starmer...
the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion - you are ruling out stuff like ants worms bacteria - ants for example are estimated to have about 20 quadrillion world population - humans are kind of insiginificant
Superb summary of slimy Starmer and our sundered society.
What we need is proportional representation rather than fptp! Then we can vote for who and what we believe in whilst praying the extreme right wing didn't gain too many seats!✌
I don't think there is an extreme right anymore is there ? PR is likely to mostly benefit parties like Aspire, who represent the interests of a particular
demographic or religion
Did you even think about that drivel before typing it up? Ever heard of the nazis?
You need to CHANGE and EVOLVE the democratic culture of this country over time before instituting PR, that is a basic fact which you libs don’t understand.
Starmer needs to understand that you can’t be a dictator AND uncharismatic.
Starmer is the labour 'Leader' you need to understand the meaning of the word 'Dictator'
@@gilldanier4129 you can be a leader and a dictator 🤦
@@gilldanier4129 i think you need to understand as well
Automatic doors don’t even open for Starmer??🙄
Or boring Jezzer.
It is frustrating to hear all the bullsh1t issues thrown at us, when we just want to be able to eat and be warm. No different to early humans, but we just get to starve and freeze, rather than hunt a mammoth, and get warm from cooking it.
I'm really glad this channel exists, great content.
Keir Starmer should either approve Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour Party candidate for the next general election or Kier Starmer himself should be the Labour Party candidate for Islington North.
Let the people in Islington North decide if they the electorate want Keir Starmer and Blairite New Labour or Classic Labour under Jeremy Corbyn as an independent candidate at the next general election.
For the first time in ages, Labour could actually afford to be more bold, and they’re saying We’ll keep things the same..🤷🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
Good interview here with Andrew Fisher however no mention of electoral reform. With PR the Labour party would appeal to the voters who want to vote for them because they will tackle some serious socially democratic policies such as fair pay for public sector staff. There is a progressive majority in this country whose votes in a PR system would elect Labour led coalition governments. I would argue that the reasons politicians today are afraid to be honest and courageous is because of the voting system whereby swing votes decide. It would have been good had this topic been included.
I'm not sure whether others find it easy to watch extended interviews on TH-cam - but would love it if these could also be released as a podcast for people who only have time to listen on the go!
Sir, you can listen on the go the same way. Use your phone, access the youtube, and the channel or video, play it, turn the screen off, then drive and listen, walk and listen, run and listen have it your way. These things can't be done in every format to please everyone, you my friend, can adapt to it and have it your way. It's already a podcast just wrapped into a video. Hope that helps.
Odd request, I listen to Yootoob videos mostly AS a proxy podcast on my mobile while I work. You can still listen without watching. Not sure why you don't think you can't or what the disadvantages over a podcast is.
@Edward Theodore why turn the screen off when it's easier to rewind/fast forward if you want by tapping the video screen...
@@edwardtheodore1427 Thanks for the reply. Though as I don't pay for youtube premium when I turn off the screen then TH-cam turns off (and without the screen off then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
@@jimbob-robob Thanks for the reply. Though it doesn't work as a podcast proxy for me as I don't pay for youtube premium- when means when I turn off the screen then TH-cam also turns off (and without the off-screen play function then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
Starmer comes across as wishy-washy. His whole persona and particularly his voice is erksome.
'They have nowhere left to go' - mandleson
Dude must have had a crystal ball.
They went . Brexit...
They will go 3rd party
Immigration is not small its massive compared to the number of births and amounts to population replacement. These guys are so slippery.
Andrew sums it up perfectly at 5.00. Politicians need to stand up for what they believe in and allow people to judge them and decide whether or not to vote for them on that basis. The notion of winning elections at all costs and saying anything to get that cross on the ballot paper is the cancer at the heart of pretty well all politics today. It's why trust in politicians is at an all-time low. We know we can't believe anything they say. The right seems to understand this a lot better than the left these days, sadly. That's one of the reasons the likes of Trump, Bolsonaros et al are successful. Even people who don't like them will concede that they don't mince their words and that you know where you stand with them.
I agree with this. I call him Mr Flip Flop. He has an unenviable job but .... as a woman i judge him on the trans issue. He still refuses to define wtf I am. Says it all ....
I'm another Labour voter not voting for the Labour party whilst Starmer and his gang are there
Same here
People like you will leave the door open for another Tory win. This is what the Tories want you to do. Stay at home because of some small fault or flaw. Vote Tory or vote Labour, but don't stay at home.
@@liz9147 and who said anything about staying at home? Just because we won't vote Labour while it's under the grip of this Right Wing dictator called keir Starmer why you assuming we would stay at home and not vote at all?
I was backstabbed because I was old Labour or should I say real Labour, they want back in Scotland!! Pigs fly don't they!! Why the SNP keep winning there not Tories !!!
@liz9147 starmer certainly wanted a tory government over a socialist labour one!! f@#k labour now!! all the mugs that voted tory last time are suffering and they deserve it too! People are too stupid, brexit was so important 🙄
"I've been a labour party member for 26 years" my man you look 26 years old.
"Andrew wrote the 2019 manifesto." And how did that go?
I have nothing personal against Jeremy but he did lose by an avalanche.
The party needs to move on and stop squabbling with itself.
You need to unite and fight the common enemy, not each other.
No, LAB lost by a small number of votes in a large number of seats. It was calculated as being less than 3000 votes nationally. This rewriting of facts is so post C19
@@adriftinaboat3452 same here. Just seen the kier promising unending suppert to Zelensky. Final straw.
Who said Momentum and Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag ?
Smashing, refreshing, I really enjoyed that!
I know it’s a bit late to write a comment but I’ve avoided watching this video and it’s the best interview I’ve heard am hoping with all that’s happened with the Labour Party the gentleman is thinking twice like me about voting for Labour withholding your vote is also an option
Really good interview
Just get rid of off-shore banking and trusts generally. I now have permanent Danish residency, earn double the salary, pay 60% tax and am very happy. No poverty here. The Scandinavian social democratic model is the way. Excellent health care, free education and egalitarianism.
Clive Lewis, Zarah Sultana, Laura Pidcock. All better calibre of politicians.
@DoubtingThomas Agreed! Labour currently are a Stalinist RW horror show. Not my party anymore.
loooool pidcock, lost not one but two safe seats in her short career.
Clive "get on your knees bitch" Lewis.
Satarmer's rejection of 2019 is New Labour all over again: rejecting its founding principles, the Labour Party has become a mechanism to propel members of the lower middle class into boardroom sinecures, via a stint in parliament.
that and saving the NHS, pouring money into education, refurbishing millions of council homes, massively reducing rough sleeping, etc, etc
Not many people I reserve the c word for but Keir Starmer is definitely a Jeremy Hunt (rhyming slang)
Why's that Dazza?
Is that Darren M Grimes posting ? Don’t be shy. I read somewhere today that you’re a political heavyweight.
i use the word quite liberally, it does leave me a bit stuck when trying to describe basically anyone in a position of power in westminster
Misogynist much?
The WEF would like Starmer to shape the Labour party the same as The democratic party in America
They're already there.
@@fredfredrickson5436 no, they aren't
The Women's Equestrian Federation has nothing to do with this.
Anyone else seriously bored of all WEFfers that turn up on every comment board but add absolutely nothing to any debate other than their own deluded pompousness?
They are all neoliberal and are WEF monkeys left and right.
Glad that PoliticsJOE appears to not be simping for Stamer any more!
One of the best insights in the absolute state of the UK, it’s inept cowardly politicians in the Tories/Labour front benches.
Starmer is LITE TORY
He hasn’t moved to the centre more to the far right and his backers are not daft - slimy Starmer has form amd his ruling class backers know that he will work for them
Genuinely think that manifesto was the last time the left had something interesting to say.
Jeremy can start a party.
Clause 4 !!!
@@weirdlytrue I'm in!
@@matthewsmith22 me 2!
@@uwanttono4012 Go for it. I just love it. My Hedge Fund has already made me a fortune, and I’ll have the shirts of your backs while you’re trying to find the soup kitchen. Schmucks.
@@californiadreamin8423 Haha, dream on you silly *ugger!
Do you think that USA interfere with our politics, I ask because there is a huge fear in USA of even the idea of Socialism, and that country has been shown to have backed for change in other countries. In the British media we see an awareness that something is happening in Tufton Street affecting many a Tory politicians view, and we have speculation that the dark money behind it may be Russian - but one sees nothing about US influence, and for them we are a satellite for their military strategies.
Perhaps the reason we cannot get more progressive politics, that WILL work for the populous rather than the higher food chain, is because there are powerful forces who do not want us to have that freedom?
If Labour wins, people will soon forget how awful the Tories were and Labour will be out again.
The scale of immigration is not trivial or minor. Immigrants, mainly young men, are coming in their thousands from countries where they are not at risk
And Labour think this is just fabulous darling.
I agree, honesty needs to be Starmer's watchword, not telling people what he thinks they want to hear. We've had 1w years and more of that, and look how few people vote. Non-voters all say, " oh they're all the same", and not vote.
Watch the AlJazeera Labour files. Judge for yourselves.
Excellent conversation. Thank you.
Two good young men honest and wanting a fairer, well functioning country; I am 74 and recognise their frustration well and am doubtful about Starmer's forked tongue and how he sees things. But you must slough your idealisation of Corbyn who was too extreme to be elected, not enough of a politician to be PM and loved setting the cat amongst the pigeons to upset the privileged. He is yesterday and still dumb - stop arming Ukraine and peace will prevail, for God's sake!! There are so many threads in this discussion I could take up but let me isolate one, which you do not discuss, and which could make Starmer one of those unforgettable politicians you mention, and that subject is proportional representation. Starmer has set his face against this; and I wonder how Andrew Fisher feels about it? The more factional and tribal one is, the less one wants to see such a sea change in this country, which would transform it from the roots up, and which would put paid to the two old parties, Tories and Labour, forever. Starmer seems to have blown hot and cold on the issue, like some others, and one is left bewildered about this when a large majority of labour members now want change, though traiditionally they did not. But politics has changed forever while not changing at all as well, a very complex picture. I sympathise with Starmer; the Tories spend a lot of time and money trying to divide and rule the opposition and the Tory press in the UK can be counted on to devise killer messaging to support the Tory cabal. But I fear Starmer is just too suburban, just too safe and supportive of the status quo to embrace the change we need for the sake of equity and progress where the old models apply. So how do the young socialist men respond to a 74 year old on this topic?
We're back to the days of Tony Blair - Labour sacrificing their principles for power. This country will never change, the billionaires have it sown up too tight.
'We're back to the days of Tony Blair' - hope so - we might actually win
@@sidevans1 I guess if that's all that matters to you crack on. Just don't expect anything to change much.
@@MepzWorld that is what a political party is for, 'venom mouse'. to gain parliamentary representation. will crack on, thanks!
Andrew is absolutely on point with his analysis of the political landscape. UK politics is more or less a pageant show of the elite. The ordinary people are paying to wetness this catastrophe.
Plain speaking; nails hit on heads; truth talking. Good job, Joe.
I think the general public are waking up to Toryism, whether it's Red or Blue. People will see through Starmer within 12 to 18 months of his election. Sooner hopefully. I've been a Socialist for 45 years and will never vote for a Starmer's Centrist, meaning Right-Wing, Labour Party. And as much as I'd prefer a proper Socialist alternative, along the lines of a revamped and modernised LRC, or Zara Sultana as Leader of either, I think someone like Andy Burnham, with all the criticisms levelled at him, would do a better job of leading the now toxic Labour Party than Starmer ever could.
Andrew Fisher is GREAT in this interview.
I agree we don't need Starmer, but we still need Labour. We'll die under any more Tory rule.
The problem with today's party politics is that it's becoming the choice of gonorrhoea or syphilis. Both are equally painful ( i'm led to believe !) but could be treated with medical intervention or abstinence in the first place.
IT IS TYPICAL STARMER AUTHORITARIAN POLITICS.
Anyone who hates Tories is my kind of tovarisch.
You can get paid more to work in Aldi than in care, so we will bring in immigrants to do the work at a cheap rate and not bother increasing wages. This is exploitation of labour and of the working class. you are allowing the exploitative employers to drive down wages and working conditions by bringing in migrant labour and this is being proposed by someone who was director of policy under corbyn. I totally despair.
Starmer should be the one who's booted out of the Labour party, doesn't belong there. Take his cronies like Streeting with him.
Relying on lifelong Labour voters like myself being loyal, he's in for a shock.
Yep. Let the tories in. Please, bite the bullet.
All I want is Mick Lynch in number 10
Very much appreciate this imterview with an honest man.
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