Even though I’m accustomed to Disney heroines not having love interests, I would approve of that for character development reasons. I mean, I freely admitted that everyone could see Broppy as canon long before it actually happened, so it can certainly happen with a ship from a movie people actually like 👍. And both ships do have similar canonical energy, so that fits even better
@ Exactly. Both couples were practically made to be shipped to the point that becoming canon would essentially be a non-event, so nobody should've been shocked by the shipping, just like (I assume) no one was shocked by Broppy being canonized in Band Together. That movie had the BroZone plot to horrify people lol 😂. No lie, everything about how that plot handled boy band dynamics was horribly wrong -- emphasis on "horror" in Baby Branch's case
@@bullmonty764 Originally I was referring to Moana/Maui and Judy/Nick, they’re the ones with very similar dynamic with Eugene/Rapunzel being the original. Older guys who gets dragged/blackmail by their younger heroine forms an unlikely relationship, older guys had sad backstory they’re vulnerable enough to reveal said backstory,etc etc both Eugene and Maui ended up risking their lives to save their heroines, with only one of them end up in a romantic relationship
Moana has a sibling relationship/dynamic with Maui, but I'm not sure why are people shipping them, because Moana is 16 in the first movie and that's weird.
I really dig Moana and Maui’s dynamic, but I’ll be SO for real, they both have more romantic chemistry with *Matangi* than with each other - Maui is Moana’s weird favourite uncle, and we love that for them
If it has to be anything, let it be some other guy than Maui. Seeing Maui change into creatures to be Moana's "big brother" to check and see if the guy is actually good for Moana could be funny. Or Maui acting like the guy's rhetorical and actual 'wing-man' toward her could also bring up funny shanigans.
@@frostbittenskater995 we've seen a snippet of this kind of dynamic before. Genie shape-shifted while hyping up Aladdin and was a bee trying to help him with Jasmine "remember, BEEEE yourself.
@@YinYangAngel55 that's true! Only he was Aladdin's friend in that situation. Imagine Maui tryna help Moana get a suiter the same way, but he keeps buzzing in her ear instead. Lol
I feel like people just want to ship her with someone and they just latch on to the make character she has the most screentime with. As someone on the aroace spec, I like the idea of Moana never having a love interest and that being a thing that isn't treated as necessary or less than.
not they should not maui is thousands of years old and Moana is like twenty and she first meet him when she was 16. So its just creepy, I hate this kind of shipa and think they have great chemistry just as friends.
No they SHOULDN'T. They have a brother and sister type relationship or cousin relationship. I could see Maui being with Matangi and Moana being SINGLE or with a new character such as a POLYNESIAN guy/demigod from one of the other islands
they. love. each other. platonically. P-L-A-T-O-N-I-C-A-L-L-Y. which people always are (very rightfully) like "oh yeah i'd rather they stay just friends-" but why put that 'just' in there?? maui and moana's dynamic is so lovely and wholesome, and you can see they care about each other's safety and well-being so much, arguably more than they would have cared if they were a couple. being 'just' a couple would demolish their dynamic. (yes i know my rant is very scattered and is made of two argument it's okay)
This is the 1st ive herd of a Moana and Maui ship. when the 1st film came out, film theory made a video that concluded with Maui potentially being Moanas' real father. Just in case anyone wanted to feel even more uncomfortable. But hey, that's just a theory, a film theory.
Well, to a question like this I say to each their own regarding their dynamic, but in my personal opinion, I don't quite get a possible romantic vibe between Moana and Maui. For me, Moana and Maui's dynamic works better as a platonic bond than a romantic bond but if there's a spark there then good for them. Through their interactions while it can be a foundation for a romantic bond in some, for Moana and Maui theirs seems more like a foundation to be besties and a little bit like close siblings. The way Maui cares about Moana may seem similar to someone having romantic affections for someone, but for me it feels more like close platonic or familial affections due to the fact that Maui's past showed that he's never had a close attachment or bond to someone before, so Moana coming into his life changed his life for the better. Like in Maui's song in the sequel, he said that there's not many people that he calls a bestie meaning that he's never had a close attachment to many people but Moana became that exception. This may seem romantic in some contexts but in the case of Moana and Maui, it seems more like Maui has never had someone he could call a friend who cared about him and he cares about back but now he does. So, yeah, to me Moana and Maui's dynamic works more platonic than romantic but to those who ship it and see the romantic spark in it, good for them and I'm eager to read the fanfiction.
I completely agree. They definitely have more platonic vibes than siblings, though I do also agree with the sibling part, but I like them better as platonic soulmate. That said I can definitely understand where the shippers are coming from, if you watched Tangled and Zootopia and came out shipping Eugene/Rapunzel and Nick/Judy, it shouldn’t be a surprise that you also ended up liking the idea of Maui/Moana.
@@Freezient Oops nevermind it says she was 16 in the first movie and 19 in the second.. That being said I think it's still lowkey an unethical ship considering he met her when she was 16 and he was a fully grown adult (not sure how old he is but he's definitely well past 40)
That's like Edward and Bella. He's 200 (?) years old and still has all of the memories and maturity of a 200 year old. She's 16. Sure, he "looks like" and "pretends to be" a high schooler, but it's still 100% a groomer relationship. They could be related somehow, but I strongly doubt (and hope) that they don't become a canon ship.
I'm doing a rewatch of Buffy the vampire slayer with a friend, and Angel/Buffy gave me strong Twilight vibes. Angel feels like precursor to Edward Cullen. Angel first saw Buffy when she was 15. He first spoke to her when she was 16. It feels very much grooming a teenager girl by a 200+ year old male vampire.
As a relationship between human and hundreds of years old demigod NO! As a relationship between two demigods likely to spend centuries or millenia together..... have at
to be honest, i prefer that maoi and moana stay friends for the next film and maybe leave it ambigious (idk). But, for the most part the chemistry is great but it feels great when you look at it as a friendship. i've thought about it as a romantic sense, but then it kinda feels like it defeats the purpose of Moana's story, if romance is brought in i feel like it would take away from her independence (if that makes sense)
Moana should focus on herself before opening up to a relationship. I think in Moana 3 in the end credits, when Moana is fully grown, she'll probably have a significant other that is NOT Maui. Maui is like the strong mentor/older brother to Moana. :)
I prefer them as friends, the make & female Disney dynamic stands out that way and it’s more unique. Frozen shot that dynamic down with Anna and Kristoff 🤦♂️
I don't approve of them being together. That being said they'd have a good opportunity to have her have a crush on Maui and have him let her down gently. Show a positive portrayal of rejection and understanding that it isn't right.
"Is it too much to ask that a male and female character are just friends or share a storyline or scene without it being a forced romance?" Couldn't have said it better myself. This kind of shit bothers me as well especially the latter. Hell even same-sex characters get this kind of treatment and it's baffling! Can people just not understand that friendship isn't always a gateway to romance?
I’ll tell you why people want it - because even over a decade after Frozen, they still cannot grasp the concept that not every Disney heroine is required to have a love interest. They also seem to have no regard for the massive age gap between Moana and Maui, which was *certainly* noticed with Ralph and Vanellope… All in all I legitimately feel like the chances of Moana, or for that matter, any other chief’s daughter/princess/heroine in general (except maybe Judy Hopps, cause her best option is right in front of her), successfully finding true love are lower than even the possibility of Nalo being a proper villain. *insert knowing J. Jonah Jameson laughter here lol 😂*
The only time I ever thought they should be together was when I was 7 years old and first watched this in cinemas, when i just expected "main male character must be the love interest for the princess in a Disney film" But after watching it it was pretty obvious there was no romantic relationship between them and there wasn't supposed to be. I don't see how anyone could interpret maui and moanas relationship as anything but platonic
I feel like when your a literal god it makes more sense for you to reach a higher stage of enlightenment when human desires like companionship no longer matter to you. Also I'm tired of main leads getting together.
when i first heard that moana wouldn't have a love interest (i was just a kid back then) i was furious. but then on my first watch i interpreted the heartwarming scenes that moana and maui shared could be romantic. but now, i just see them as a big brother-little sister duo.
Honestly, I just want atleast one story where the female lead and the male lead are just friends. Seriously. Why do people think that women and men can't simply be friends?
Ok i heard this video from a friend that happens to ship them. Personally I don’t have a problem with it, I do like the possibilities of it, especially after Moana 2, if people ships Nick/Judy from Zootopia and Eugene/Rapunzel from Tangled (who I might add also met each other when Rapunzel was still underage) so this ship should not be a shocker for most people. As for fanarts, well buddy you see Maui? And his tattoos? You see how he’s probably incredibly difficult to draw? 😭 also if you’re intriguedI do recommend the japanese tag of their ship they’re pretty popular in the japanese side of the fandom on twitter and their fanarts are mostly just clean wholesome stuff so if you’re somewhat into it but dislike it for being overly romantic take a look, but do avoid pixiv at all cost! Though it is intriguing after seeing Moana 2, I saw a lot of non fandom, non shippers, even ship haters reviewed it and saw some slight romantic sparks between them that not even the shippers themselves saw it, someone working on the sequel must’ve shipped them in some way. Moana 2 also added some scenes and moments that made their relationship very much “not siblings-like” Moana accidentally inappropriately hi fives Maui’s chest they acknowledged how awkward it was, even his mini Maui gets flustered by it, there’s a scene where Maui (probably accidentally) flashes his crotch to Moana with Moana covering her face but also looks like she’s peeking to see then looks away gets awkward about it. I also think their age gap might have an appeal to some, and I say age gap because despite Maui being an immortal 3 thousand years old, he does saw Moana as someone way younger than him, that can muddies thing, if he ever develops any feelings he’s going to feel weird about it or if Moana develops feelings for him (which is a bit more acceptable if the young one is the one catching feelings) Maui wouldn’t know what to do about it, he’ll probably tease her or gently rejects her, its how you play with these characters interactions is what’s interesting. I also disagree about Maui possibly being physically the same age as Dwayne if anything from the way he acts, he comes more as college student/graduate, probably 30s at the latest, but regardless your point about him being older still stands. Edit: so I commented on this initially not being interested in the ship but your video ended up with me having to defend this ship lmao I have to disagree that romance might dampen their good platonic relationship and i’m saying this strictly in the world of shipping not whether or not they should be canon in the next installment, just because friends ended up becoming a romantic couple does not dampen anything special they had with each other. There is such a thing as slow burn, and Moana 2 definitely opens up lots of stories for fic writers. A lot of the shippers i see only like to see them happening years later and not immediately when Moana comes of age. I also have to mention that a lot of the shippers of this in the fandom I’ve seen DOES NOT WANT them to be canon.
Some people seriously ship Moana with Maui? Ew! Moana was 16 when she met Maui, who was already an adult and likely thousands of years old. This reminds of that weird and unhinged AI image of Maui with a pregnant Moana, implying that she’s carrying his child. Gross.
Ik im going to be the odd one out here but I love the idea of them being together PURLY bc A) they work so well together and it’s just so wholesome B) Maui cares so so deeply for her more than just a friend but as someone who truly loves her C) THEY CAN BE DEMI GODS TOGETHER!!
I see why people would ship hundreds of years past and moana love ones died from old age the only familiar face she got is maui in retrospect it makes sense and could be good if it wasn't for the fact that they met when she was 16 plus like u said i think their friendship is honestly great don't want to ruin that but i do see it unlike bruno and mirabel
Most Hooked Wayfinder shippers prefer the slow burn, mainly because neither of those characters seems the type to just plunge head first into a relationship. But from a political and diplomatic perspective, Maui is the best match for Moana out of the available characters in the films. She's from an era when marriage wasn't a romance, it was a trade agreement. And now that she's a demigoddess, she'll basically be obligated to strike a divine match. Again, from what we've gotten so far, Maui is the best candidate for her. That said, I don't want them to make Hooked Wayfinder canon. Because I don't trust them with it. This is a ship best left to the fans to steer. They can keep teasing it, and we'll eat it up. But we've got our own crew, thanks. No mice need apply.
@@AtarahDerek Highly agree. Regardless of whether you like them or not, they are each other’s best match, and from a romance writing point of view its simply just obvious. its kind of a no brainer too that it even got non shippers questioning the nature of their relationship. Its that strong that got non fandom/shipping folks questioning. Personally i always see them as platonic, but when normal audiences began questioning the nature of their relationship that’s we start raising eyebrows
You know, when I first heard of this shipping, my first thought was... eww. Like, are those Deviantart-esqu shippers crazy? I agree, fandom ships can be pretty wild, but they're getting out of control very quickly as of late. Moana and Maui should NOT have a romantic arc... EVER! I think they're better off as friends. Plus, I don't think Moana even needs a love interest. Disney is probably going to have her use her demi-goddess powers in any future projects that have her as the main character. Long story short, these fandoms have lost their minds with these shippings, and they're only gonna get worse as time goes on.
Originally I was thinking about Maui and Moana being together while watching the second movie. But Maui was a Demi god n can live basically forever and Moana couldn’t. Then moana became a Demi goddess and I was like YESSS they belong
That wouldn’t be a great idea cause Maui is not a teenager like Moana but moni is the new character in Moana 2 so it would make much more sense if he and Moana were a couple
honestly i feel like the small demographic of people who do seem to ship Moana and Maui is mainly kids who see disney movies, hear about shipping, and are too young/ignorant to know why such a gigantic age gap would be an issue. It seems very likely to me that they see the excellent friend dynamic the two have and project romance onto it because they're still trying to conceptualize what romance is. Obviously there are probably exceptions to this, but this likely accounts for why the shipping seems mostly contained to youtube comments and not the wider internet.
@@donutdownpour6959 You must not have been on the internet for so long then cause the people that writes nsfw moana/maui fanfictions are most definitely not children. Also I always thought children would be the last group of people to ship them.
absolutely not, they not "just friends" they're close platonic friends who went through many up & downs in moments of togetherness and solitude and both grew as people with no hints of romantic attraction, not every positive loving relationship has to automatically be a romantic relationship and I'm sick of people who still don't seem to understand this.
Immortality makes things interesting here and always muddies the waters when it comes to romances, so what is normally wrong for some is considered okay for others, which you do acknowledge . You bring up the Rock playing him in the Live Action, but personally, I don't think the Rock(and how old he is) is meant to reflect the age Maui is meant to appear as in the 3D movies, and even if he was, I don't think most people view him as old as the Rock. Personally, I would think Maui is presented as being in his mid 30s, some people I've talked to view him more in his late 20s, this would, make it more acceptable in those peoples mind, especially since the Age of Consent in some places is 16(Moana in the first movie, also even some of the states in our own Country of Australia has it this low) and 20(what I've heard Moana is in the second movie and what she might be stuck as age wise as a demi-god) when the theoretical it happening would be more okay in their eyes. If they view it through that lens, I could see how they would think it's okay to ship the two together. Personally, I don't ship, to much learning from each other and growing in a non-romantic(or "Charged" way for the more Primal side of things) to do so. That might change for them in a few centuries down the line, but for now I feel they are more Friends and happy that way then seeking something more between the two.
I feel like Maui and Moana are like besties and not couple material. If anyone it's like a brother sister kinda dynamic if anything. Or uncle niece not a ship. I HATE massive age gap ships. Elizabeth and Norrington was so bad in Pirates Of The Caribbean as a ship. In the first movie, Elizabeth was 11 at the start and Norrington was 19. When they went to the present time in Curse Of The Black Pearl, Elizabeth was 20, where Norrington was 28. An 8 year age difference where a grown man is trying to romance a woman he knew as a preteen. GROSS!
SPOILERS also Moana was 19 and Maui’s body is theorised to be between 24-25 They’re both demigods now so Moana won’t die but it did feel like they were building it in this movie. I think if disney wasn’t going through their anti romance phase they would have gotten together. I didn’t ship it until I watched Moana two my fave moment was Maui goes to leave for the final fight, turns to Moana and says. “Go as fast as you can. Moana.. I can pull a thousand islands from the sea.. but it would mean nothing if you weren’t there to find them.” ALSO when he loses his powers he looks at her and smiles like “This was worth it because Moana is okay” AND when she gets hit by the storm Maui jumps into the sea to get to her AS A MORTAL. GUYS MAUI CANT SWIM HE WAS LITERALLY GOING TO DIE TO BE WITH HER And he does he just drifts there with her in his arms, then ocean gives them some air and gotta say Dwayne Johnson’s performance got me teary over how emotional he was over her like he was more upset than her grandma 😭
Hmmm a mentor demigod over 1000 years old who can never die (probably idk) dating a teenager even though they previously had a depressed uncle fiery neice dynamic. What could possibly go wrong?
in the new one she is 20 but i agree it would still be wrong for her to end up with Maiu since she is tousands of years old and they first met when she was a teenager
maui and moana i am not sure about hiccup and astrid make more sence then moana and maui i just cant see those to be a couble in moana 3 ive always shipped someone when it come to shows and movies i watch like brooklyn and darius from jurassic world or nightwing starfire from dc or marinette and who ever from ladybug unless they are building toword it i just cant see moana and maui get together
Mirabel and bruno shouldnt have anything more than an uncle/menor to neice/mentee relationship. As for elsa and anna welll thats an anime trope gone LGBTQIAOP
Some shippers are gross. Maui and Moana have a huge age gap so it is a big no no. But Mirabel and Bruno are uncle and niece! Discusting! You shippers need to chill. Take a step back, relax and focus on the thing that is infront of you and stop living in a fantasy.
@@theaboveaveragefangirl He’s referring to the framing of the scene, the atmosphere. Maui is not the type to get close and emotional so seeing him be like that is a big deal. If you want to another similar scene, see Tangled where Rapunzel cries and holds Eugene’s dead body
Oooo Jelsa redemption, do I hear Smartypants?? 🤭🤪 I love romance and crazy ships just as much as the next shipper - but this one’s a “eh, I’ll pass” from me. I can see the concept that makes them “work” in theory, but I can’t *ever* picture it. He gives too much massive young uncle/protective big brother vibes. Heavily agree with your takes about their age gap - she wasn’t an adult when they met, and since he’s a demigod stick at 29 mentality and physically it’s most likely that he’ll always see her as “a baby” in comparison; doesn’t matter if she’s an adult once she became a demigod herself. I highly doubt Disney would let it happen - especially with the Rock standing next to a teenage girl in the live action… 😳 their friendship is wonderful as it is. They are the best of bros for the rest of existence, and that’s just as beautiful as any organic romantic story.
Ew... Moana was literally a baby when they told stories of Maui stealing the heart... He's wayyyy older than she is! Doesn't matter if he's immortal and doesn't age, its still weird.
The next theory I'd like to see you tackle on Moana is about her mother, I've seen some theories floating around that people think her mother is actually also a demigod because she has the same tattoo on her arm that Moana has or at least a similar tattoo and we know that people get tattoos when they become a demigod it would also explain a lot of her mother's behaviour within both films I think, so that could be a cool thing to explore for a future film like finding out her mum also has demigod powers and what that means for like giving birth to children as a demigod like I feel like that would be a kind of cool thing to explore like maybe her sister has some powers or maybe it explains why she looks like Graffiti like there could be some supernatural aspects around her mother giving birth to both her and her younger sister that we don't know about because her mother is a demigod and then like what that means, I also have seen people say that they don't think her father is her real father and that maybe Maui is actually her father and stuff like that which is also interesting to think about especially if her mother is a demigod like did she go on a similar journey and then just never told anyone about it so that be cool to see or like a cool thing to explore in the third film so I'd love to see your thoughts on that And whether or not you think that's something that has weight or is just one of those loose fairies that doesn't really hold anything, so I'd love to see you make a video on whether or not Moana's mother is a demigod. Also sorry for any spelling mistakes I use speech to text and it just writes what it thinks it here is cause it may not understand certain words that I say and we'll speak to text it just takes what I say and turns it into words, and visually impaired and the font on TH-cam is quite small so it's quite hard for me to edit and so I use speech to text, but hopefully my comment made sense.
@@AshleysAdvice That’s a traditional Samoan tattoo, she’s not a demigod. This is like saying everyone in Motonui who has a tattoo are all demigods solely for having tattoos. Please learn other people’s cultures.
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Why do people always want to do STUPID things???? What's wrong with being friends?
Maui is more of a father figure heck in the legend he was with Moana's mother and that kinda might hint he is her real father don't know if Disney intended that but might explain why she has some power if they make a 3rd I bet the father reveal might happen
@@smbd1234 That’s false, if you even know the legends at all you would’ve known that Moana does not exist in any of Maui’s stories. Her mother has the same name as Maui’s mother and grandmother.
The relationship between Moana and Maui is more of a platonic friendship than love, that's why I like it more
It's love, it's just platonic love. There's romantic love and platonic love, we need to remember that.
Judy and Nick from Zootopia make more sense than these two
Even though I’m accustomed to Disney heroines not having love interests, I would approve of that for character development reasons. I mean, I freely admitted that everyone could see Broppy as canon long before it actually happened, so it can certainly happen with a ship from a movie people actually like 👍. And both ships do have similar canonical energy, so that fits even better
Its funny that you brought that up, but they have the exact same dynamic. So why is anybody even shocked that people shipped them??
@ Exactly. Both couples were practically made to be shipped to the point that becoming canon would essentially be a non-event, so nobody should've been shocked by the shipping, just like (I assume) no one was shocked by Broppy being canonized in Band Together. That movie had the BroZone plot to horrify people lol 😂. No lie, everything about how that plot handled boy band dynamics was horribly wrong -- emphasis on "horror" in Baby Branch's case
@@bullmonty764 Originally I was referring to Moana/Maui and Judy/Nick, they’re the ones with very similar dynamic with Eugene/Rapunzel being the original. Older guys who gets dragged/blackmail by their younger heroine forms an unlikely relationship, older guys had sad backstory they’re vulnerable enough to reveal said backstory,etc etc both Eugene and Maui ended up risking their lives to save their heroines, with only one of them end up in a romantic relationship
Not really
Honestly, even if some people might find them to be romantic, I find them better as demigod BFFs, siblings almost. 😅❤
Me too 😊
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Moana has a sibling relationship/dynamic with Maui, but I'm not sure why are people shipping them, because Moana is 16 in the first movie and that's weird.
I used to ship them but I was little and I hadn't watch the movieso I assumed they where the same age.
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Moana and Maui are more like brother and sister than the usual Disney couple. I really hope the creative team don't make them a couple.
I really dig Moana and Maui’s dynamic, but I’ll be SO for real, they both have more romantic chemistry with *Matangi* than with each other - Maui is Moana’s weird favourite uncle, and we love that for them
Maui and Moana should never be together! Let 'em be friends
If it has to be anything, let it be some other guy than Maui. Seeing Maui change into creatures to be Moana's "big brother" to check and see if the guy is actually good for Moana could be funny. Or Maui acting like the guy's rhetorical and actual 'wing-man' toward her could also bring up funny shanigans.
That sounds like a really fun angle for their dynamic!
Tbh, I used to ship it, but I like comment this much more then the ship now!
@@frostbittenskater995 we've seen a snippet of this kind of dynamic before. Genie shape-shifted while hyping up Aladdin and was a bee trying to help him with Jasmine "remember, BEEEE yourself.
@@YinYangAngel55 that's true! Only he was Aladdin's friend in that situation. Imagine Maui tryna help Moana get a suiter the same way, but he keeps buzzing in her ear instead. Lol
I feel like people just want to ship her with someone and they just latch on to the make character she has the most screentime with.
As someone on the aroace spec, I like the idea of Moana never having a love interest and that being a thing that isn't treated as necessary or less than.
not they should not maui is thousands of years old and Moana is like twenty and she first meet him when she was 16. So its just creepy, I hate this kind of shipa and think they have great chemistry just as friends.
Yeah people be shipping characters like you mentioned family members. Maui & Moana I feel them being as friends or teacher/student.
No they SHOULDN'T. They have a brother and sister type relationship or cousin relationship. I could see Maui being with Matangi and Moana being SINGLE or with a new character such as a POLYNESIAN guy/demigod from one of the other islands
they. love. each other. platonically. P-L-A-T-O-N-I-C-A-L-L-Y. which people always are (very rightfully) like "oh yeah i'd rather they stay just friends-" but why put that 'just' in there?? maui and moana's dynamic is so lovely and wholesome, and you can see they care about each other's safety and well-being so much, arguably more than they would have cared if they were a couple. being 'just' a couple would demolish their dynamic.
(yes i know my rant is very scattered and is made of two argument it's okay)
This is the 1st ive herd of a Moana and Maui ship. when the 1st film came out, film theory made a video that concluded with Maui potentially being Moanas' real father.
Just in case anyone wanted to feel even more uncomfortable.
But hey, that's just a theory, a film theory.
He’s not. Stop believing braindead theories. Moana’s an original character she’s not related to Maui. Quit spreading misinformation like an idiot
Dude chill, it's just a theory @@Freezient
@@mohithayaazhini a false one for sure
@@Freezient sure but no reason to call someone an idiot
@ My apologies
Well, to a question like this I say to each their own regarding their dynamic, but in my personal opinion, I don't quite get a possible romantic vibe between Moana and Maui.
For me, Moana and Maui's dynamic works better as a platonic bond than a romantic bond but if there's a spark there then good for them.
Through their interactions while it can be a foundation for a romantic bond in some, for Moana and Maui theirs seems more like a foundation to be besties and a little bit like close siblings.
The way Maui cares about Moana may seem similar to someone having romantic affections for someone, but for me it feels more like close platonic or familial affections due to the fact that Maui's past showed that he's never had a close attachment or bond to someone before, so Moana coming into his life changed his life for the better.
Like in Maui's song in the sequel, he said that there's not many people that he calls a bestie meaning that he's never had a close attachment to many people but Moana became that exception.
This may seem romantic in some contexts but in the case of Moana and Maui, it seems more like Maui has never had someone he could call a friend who cared about him and he cares about back but now he does.
So, yeah, to me Moana and Maui's dynamic works more platonic than romantic but to those who ship it and see the romantic spark in it, good for them and I'm eager to read the fanfiction.
I completely agree. They definitely have more platonic vibes than siblings, though I do also agree with the sibling part, but I like them better as platonic soulmate. That said I can definitely understand where the shippers are coming from, if you watched Tangled and Zootopia and came out shipping Eugene/Rapunzel and Nick/Judy, it shouldn’t be a surprise that you also ended up liking the idea of Maui/Moana.
Moana is 16 and Maui is a grown adult....
@ Moana is 20
@@Freezient ?? She's 16
@@Freezient Oops nevermind it says she was 16 in the first movie and 19 in the second..
That being said I think it's still lowkey an unethical ship considering he met her when she was 16 and he was a fully grown adult (not sure how old he is but he's definitely well past 40)
That's like Edward and Bella. He's 200 (?) years old and still has all of the memories and maturity of a 200 year old. She's 16. Sure, he "looks like" and "pretends to be" a high schooler, but it's still 100% a groomer relationship.
They could be related somehow, but I strongly doubt (and hope) that they don't become a canon ship.
I'm doing a rewatch of Buffy the vampire slayer with a friend, and Angel/Buffy gave me strong Twilight vibes. Angel feels like precursor to Edward Cullen.
Angel first saw Buffy when she was 15. He first spoke to her when she was 16. It feels very much grooming a teenager girl by a 200+ year old male vampire.
As a relationship between human and hundreds of years old demigod NO!
As a relationship between two demigods likely to spend centuries or millenia together..... have at
Maybe we could see Anna and Kristoff’s romantic relationship get explored in Frozen 3 and 4
to be honest, i prefer that maoi and moana stay friends for the next film and maybe leave it ambigious (idk). But, for the most part the chemistry is great but it feels great when you look at it as a friendship. i've thought about it as a romantic sense, but then it kinda feels like it defeats the purpose of Moana's story, if romance is brought in i feel like it would take away from her independence (if that makes sense)
Moana should focus on herself before opening up to a relationship. I think in Moana 3 in the end credits, when Moana is fully grown, she'll probably have a significant other that is NOT Maui. Maui is like the strong mentor/older brother to Moana. :)
In the old Polynesian stories, Mauis wife is Hina, goddess of the night, or the moon
I'm much more interested in the Melanesian islander Moana locked eyes with for a few seconds at the end of her sequel.
I prefer them as friends, the make & female Disney dynamic stands out that way and it’s more unique. Frozen shot that dynamic down with Anna and Kristoff 🤦♂️
I don't approve of them being together. That being said they'd have a good opportunity to have her have a crush on Maui and have him let her down gently. Show a positive portrayal of rejection and understanding that it isn't right.
I never shipped Maui and Moana because of the fact that Maui is probably hundreds of years older than Moana
"Is it too much to ask that a male and female character are just friends or share a storyline or scene without it being a forced romance?"
Couldn't have said it better myself. This kind of shit bothers me as well especially the latter. Hell even same-sex characters get this kind of treatment and it's baffling! Can people just not understand that friendship isn't always a gateway to romance?
SHOULD MOANA AND MAUI BE A COPLE: simple answer 🤬!NO!🤬
I’ll tell you why people want it - because even over a decade after Frozen, they still cannot grasp the concept that not every Disney heroine is required to have a love interest. They also seem to have no regard for the massive age gap between Moana and Maui, which was *certainly* noticed with Ralph and Vanellope…
All in all I legitimately feel like the chances of Moana, or for that matter, any other chief’s daughter/princess/heroine in general (except maybe Judy Hopps, cause her best option is right in front of her), successfully finding true love are lower than even the possibility of Nalo being a proper villain.
*insert knowing J. Jonah Jameson laughter here lol 😂*
The only time I ever thought they should be together was when I was 7 years old and first watched this in cinemas, when i just expected "main male character must be the love interest for the princess in a Disney film" But after watching it it was pretty obvious there was no romantic relationship between them and there wasn't supposed to be. I don't see how anyone could interpret maui and moanas relationship as anything but platonic
I feel like when your a literal god it makes more sense for you to reach a higher stage of enlightenment when human desires like companionship no longer matter to you.
Also I'm tired of main leads getting together.
Moana and maui are quite literally uncle and niece fr 🙏
when i first heard that moana wouldn't have a love interest (i was just a kid back then) i was furious. but then on my first watch i interpreted the heartwarming scenes that moana and maui shared could be romantic. but now, i just see them as a big brother-little sister duo.
It's so fun to watch your videos
This title elicited a visceral reaction out of me. Cringe doesn't begin to describe it.
There’s no way people flamed you for not agreeing with an uncle niece ship. Are we living in the Middle Ages?
people are weirdos
Oh six minutes, new record
Eh I don't think so. I wouldn't care either way, especially now that she's a demi god, but I think they're better friends
yes you so right
Honestly, I just want atleast one story where the female lead and the male lead are just friends. Seriously. Why do people think that women and men can't simply be friends?
Hormones I guess
Ok i heard this video from a friend that happens to ship them. Personally I don’t have a problem with it, I do like the possibilities of it, especially after Moana 2, if people ships Nick/Judy from Zootopia and Eugene/Rapunzel from Tangled (who I might add also met each other when Rapunzel was still underage) so this ship should not be a shocker for most people. As for fanarts, well buddy you see Maui? And his tattoos? You see how he’s probably incredibly difficult to draw? 😭 also if you’re intriguedI do recommend the japanese tag of their ship they’re pretty popular in the japanese side of the fandom on twitter and their fanarts are mostly just clean wholesome stuff so if you’re somewhat into it but dislike it for being overly romantic take a look, but do avoid pixiv at all cost!
Though it is intriguing after seeing Moana 2, I saw a lot of non fandom, non shippers, even ship haters reviewed it and saw some slight romantic sparks between them that not even the shippers themselves saw it, someone working on the sequel must’ve shipped them in some way. Moana 2 also added some scenes and moments that made their relationship very much “not siblings-like” Moana accidentally inappropriately hi fives Maui’s chest they acknowledged how awkward it was, even his mini Maui gets flustered by it, there’s a scene where Maui (probably accidentally) flashes his crotch to Moana with Moana covering her face but also looks like she’s peeking to see then looks away gets awkward about it.
I also think their age gap might have an appeal to some, and I say age gap because despite Maui being an immortal 3 thousand years old, he does saw Moana as someone way younger than him, that can muddies thing, if he ever develops any feelings he’s going to feel weird about it or if Moana develops feelings for him (which is a bit more acceptable if the young one is the one catching feelings) Maui wouldn’t know what to do about it, he’ll probably tease her or gently rejects her, its how you play with these characters interactions is what’s interesting.
I also disagree about Maui possibly being physically the same age as Dwayne if anything from the way he acts, he comes more as college student/graduate, probably 30s at the latest, but regardless your point about him being older still stands.
Edit: so I commented on this initially not being interested in the ship but your video ended up with me having to defend this ship lmao
I have to disagree that romance might dampen their good platonic relationship and i’m saying this strictly in the world of shipping not whether or not they should be canon in the next installment, just because friends ended up becoming a romantic couple does not dampen anything special they had with each other. There is such a thing as slow burn, and Moana 2 definitely opens up lots of stories for fic writers. A lot of the shippers i see only like to see them happening years later and not immediately when Moana comes of age. I also have to mention that a lot of the shippers of this in the fandom I’ve seen DOES NOT WANT them to be canon.
Some people seriously ship Moana with Maui? Ew! Moana was 16 when she met Maui, who was already an adult and likely thousands of years old.
This reminds of that weird and unhinged AI image of Maui with a pregnant Moana, implying that she’s carrying his child. Gross.
Imo no because Maui is older
No. They aren't compatible at all.
I describe Moana and Maui's relationship as more of friends or something like that 😂.
what is it with the fandom and shipping? just be friends is more than enough
Desperate for fictional love
Maybe yes, maybe no. If we do get Moana 3, I guess we'll just have to find out for ourselves.
They intentionally made Maui and Moana such an age difference to avoid this.
Ik im going to be the odd one out here but I love the idea of them being together PURLY bc A) they work so well together and it’s just so wholesome
B) Maui cares so so deeply for her more than just a friend but as someone who truly loves her
C) THEY CAN BE DEMI GODS TOGETHER!!
Maui acts more like a older brother to her then a romantic partner
I see why people would ship hundreds of years past and moana love ones died from old age the only familiar face she got is maui in retrospect it makes sense and could be good if it wasn't for the fact that they met when she was 16 plus like u said i think their friendship is honestly great don't want to ruin that but i do see it unlike bruno and mirabel
Hey. I just decided to comment as soon as I saw the video, and I was somehow the first one to comment. I will be considering this a minor achievement.
Most Hooked Wayfinder shippers prefer the slow burn, mainly because neither of those characters seems the type to just plunge head first into a relationship. But from a political and diplomatic perspective, Maui is the best match for Moana out of the available characters in the films. She's from an era when marriage wasn't a romance, it was a trade agreement. And now that she's a demigoddess, she'll basically be obligated to strike a divine match. Again, from what we've gotten so far, Maui is the best candidate for her.
That said, I don't want them to make Hooked Wayfinder canon. Because I don't trust them with it. This is a ship best left to the fans to steer. They can keep teasing it, and we'll eat it up. But we've got our own crew, thanks. No mice need apply.
@@AtarahDerek Highly agree. Regardless of whether you like them or not, they are each other’s best match, and from a romance writing point of view its simply just obvious. its kind of a no brainer too that it even got non shippers questioning the nature of their relationship. Its that strong that got non fandom/shipping folks questioning. Personally i always see them as platonic, but when normal audiences began questioning the nature of their relationship that’s we start raising eyebrows
You know, when I first heard of this shipping, my first thought was... eww. Like, are those Deviantart-esqu shippers crazy? I agree, fandom ships can be pretty wild, but they're getting out of control very quickly as of late. Moana and Maui should NOT have a romantic arc... EVER! I think they're better off as friends. Plus, I don't think Moana even needs a love interest. Disney is probably going to have her use her demi-goddess powers in any future projects that have her as the main character. Long story short, these fandoms have lost their minds with these shippings, and they're only gonna get worse as time goes on.
*In other news, apparently Disney is now being sued because as it turns out Moana is actually plagiarised.*
Originally I was thinking about Maui and Moana being together while watching the second movie. But Maui was a Demi god n can live basically forever and Moana couldn’t. Then moana became a Demi goddess and I was like YESSS they belong
But Moana is like a teenager and Maui is a 1000 years old
That wouldn’t be a great idea cause Maui is not a teenager like Moana but moni is the new character in Moana 2 so it would make much more sense if he and Moana were a couple
I equate this ship to Samurai Jack and Ashi: Unnecessary, a better dynamic was present, uncomfortable, and weird when committed to.
honestly i feel like the small demographic of people who do seem to ship Moana and Maui is mainly kids who see disney movies, hear about shipping, and are too young/ignorant to know why such a gigantic age gap would be an issue. It seems very likely to me that they see the excellent friend dynamic the two have and project romance onto it because they're still trying to conceptualize what romance is. Obviously there are probably exceptions to this, but this likely accounts for why the shipping seems mostly contained to youtube comments and not the wider internet.
@@donutdownpour6959 You must not have been on the internet for so long then cause the people that writes nsfw moana/maui fanfictions are most definitely not children. Also I always thought children would be the last group of people to ship them.
Spoilers:
Even though Moana is now a demigod, it’s still weird because Maui is way older than her.
They shouldn’t. He’s a demigod, she’s a human voyager!
I ship Moana with Loto, Maui with Moni and Matangi with Te Fiti (with Nalo as Te Fiti's ex-lover)
Tamatoa X Maui Yaoi fight me
absolutely not, they not "just friends" they're close platonic friends who went through many up & downs in moments of togetherness and solitude and both grew as people with no hints of romantic attraction, not every positive loving relationship has to automatically be a romantic relationship and I'm sick of people who still don't seem to understand this.
Please do a video on Spider-Man Shipping. Please. It would be so funny to see your reaction to the fact that Curt Connors/Peter Parker is a ship.
Disney made Rey & Kilo kiss so wouldn't be surprised if they surrendered to the weirdo shippers
I saw a theory that Maui was Moana's dad and I fully understand and I like this theory. I hate that ship so much
I think we just need more friends with different genders
Short answer. No
Long answer. NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
2:18 'Super/pro shipers' are gross as fuck!!!!!!!! Give me a weird crak ship any day bc the Grinch and Tony the tiger are at least funny
Immortality makes things interesting here and always muddies the waters when it comes to romances, so what is normally wrong for some is considered okay for others, which you do acknowledge .
You bring up the Rock playing him in the Live Action, but personally, I don't think the Rock(and how old he is) is meant to reflect the age Maui is meant to appear as in the 3D movies, and even if he was, I don't think most people view him as old as the Rock. Personally, I would think Maui is presented as being in his mid 30s, some people I've talked to view him more in his late 20s, this would, make it more acceptable in those peoples mind, especially since the Age of Consent in some places is 16(Moana in the first movie, also even some of the states in our own Country of Australia has it this low) and 20(what I've heard Moana is in the second movie and what she might be stuck as age wise as a demi-god) when the theoretical it happening would be more okay in their eyes. If they view it through that lens, I could see how they would think it's okay to ship the two together.
Personally, I don't ship, to much learning from each other and growing in a non-romantic(or "Charged" way for the more Primal side of things) to do so. That might change for them in a few centuries down the line, but for now I feel they are more Friends and happy that way then seeking something more between the two.
I feel like Maui and Moana are like besties and not couple material. If anyone it's like a brother sister kinda dynamic if anything. Or uncle niece not a ship.
I HATE massive age gap ships. Elizabeth and Norrington was so bad in Pirates Of The Caribbean as a ship. In the first movie, Elizabeth was 11 at the start and Norrington was 19. When they went to the present time in Curse Of The Black Pearl, Elizabeth was 20, where Norrington was 28. An 8 year age difference where a grown man is trying to romance a woman he knew as a preteen. GROSS!
Yeah I never liked this ship and I can 100% live without it.
The shipping life is a hard life
SPOILERS also Moana was 19 and Maui’s body is theorised to be between 24-25
They’re both demigods now so Moana won’t die but it did feel like they were building it in this movie. I think if disney wasn’t going through their anti romance phase they would have gotten together. I didn’t ship it until I watched Moana two my fave moment was Maui goes to leave for the final fight, turns to Moana and says.
“Go as fast as you can. Moana.. I can pull a thousand islands from the sea.. but it would mean nothing if you weren’t there to find them.”
ALSO when he loses his powers he looks at her and smiles like “This was worth it because Moana is okay”
AND when she gets hit by the storm Maui jumps into the sea to get to her AS A MORTAL. GUYS MAUI CANT SWIM HE WAS LITERALLY GOING TO DIE TO BE WITH HER
And he does he just drifts there with her in his arms, then ocean gives them some air and gotta say Dwayne Johnson’s performance got me teary over how emotional he was over her like he was more upset than her grandma 😭
Hmmm a mentor demigod over 1000 years old who can never die (probably idk) dating a teenager even though they previously had a depressed uncle fiery neice dynamic. What could possibly go wrong?
NO!!!! Moana's a kid!
in the new one she is 20 but i agree it would still be wrong for her to end up with Maiu since she is tousands of years old and they first met when she was a teenager
One word. No.
No
They want it b/c it is an older guy getting w/ a hot young girl.
I love Moana
Shipping is strange sometimes
Before I watch this video, I want to call out (and get hate for it but eh) I really wanted the bat lady and moana to be a thing
maui and moana i am not sure about hiccup and astrid make more sence then moana and maui i just cant see those to be a couble in moana 3 ive always shipped someone when it come to shows and movies i watch like brooklyn and darius from jurassic world or nightwing starfire from dc or marinette and who ever from ladybug unless they are building toword it i just cant see moana and maui get together
Mirabel and bruno shouldnt have anything more than an uncle/menor to neice/mentee relationship.
As for elsa and anna welll thats an anime trope gone LGBTQIAOP
Some shippers are gross. Maui and Moana have a huge age gap so it is a big no no. But Mirabel and Bruno are uncle and niece! Discusting!
You shippers need to chill. Take a step back, relax and focus on the thing that is infront of you and stop living in a fantasy.
you’ll find it’s the same kind of people who ship both. I literally get deja vu reading comments of people defending shipping maui and moana.
@@BellaFalk95 This is not as bad as bruno and mirabel. Get some hobbies and get some help and stop getting your panties in a twist over this
@lilac3266 Yuck! And I thought Jesla shippers were gross and pathetic… well they still are but I think these shippers are worse.
Maui and Moana Forever. 😘❤️
I feel like I don't normally say this, but no, they should not be a couple. Even as a shiper, no no no!
7:04 Carrying somebody's lifeless body and asking for help is... a very intimate thing?
@@theaboveaveragefangirl He’s referring to the framing of the scene, the atmosphere. Maui is not the type to get close and emotional so seeing him be like that is a big deal.
If you want to another similar scene, see Tangled where Rapunzel cries and holds Eugene’s dead body
I had to take a double take...
Eeewww
Oooo Jelsa redemption, do I hear Smartypants?? 🤭🤪
I love romance and crazy ships just as much as the next shipper - but this one’s a “eh, I’ll pass” from me. I can see the concept that makes them “work” in theory, but I can’t *ever* picture it. He gives too much massive young uncle/protective big brother vibes.
Heavily agree with your takes about their age gap - she wasn’t an adult when they met, and since he’s a demigod stick at 29 mentality and physically it’s most likely that he’ll always see her as “a baby” in comparison; doesn’t matter if she’s an adult once she became a demigod herself. I highly doubt Disney would let it happen - especially with the Rock standing next to a teenage girl in the live action… 😳 their friendship is wonderful as it is. They are the best of bros for the rest of existence, and that’s just as beautiful as any organic romantic story.
Yes
I agree with you
short answer: no he met her when she was 16 that’s weird
Unfortunately I used to think that when I was a lot younger like 7 or 6 years ago
Ew... Moana was literally a baby when they told stories of Maui stealing the heart... He's wayyyy older than she is! Doesn't matter if he's immortal and doesn't age, its still weird.
Ok I think unless we get a thousand years time skip no romance
The next theory I'd like to see you tackle on Moana is about her mother, I've seen some theories floating around that people think her mother is actually also a demigod because she has the same tattoo on her arm that Moana has or at least a similar tattoo and we know that people get tattoos when they become a demigod it would also explain a lot of her mother's behaviour within both films I think, so that could be a cool thing to explore for a future film like finding out her mum also has demigod powers and what that means for like giving birth to children as a demigod like I feel like that would be a kind of cool thing to explore like maybe her sister has some powers or maybe it explains why she looks like Graffiti like there could be some supernatural aspects around her mother giving birth to both her and her younger sister that we don't know about because her mother is a demigod and then like what that means, I also have seen people say that they don't think her father is her real father and that maybe Maui is actually her father and stuff like that which is also interesting to think about especially if her mother is a demigod like did she go on a similar journey and then just never told anyone about it so that be cool to see or like a cool thing to explore in the third film so I'd love to see your thoughts on that And whether or not you think that's something that has weight or is just one of those loose fairies that doesn't really hold anything, so I'd love to see you make a video on whether or not Moana's mother is a demigod.
Also sorry for any spelling mistakes I use speech to text and it just writes what it thinks it here is cause it may not understand certain words that I say and we'll speak to text it just takes what I say and turns it into words, and visually impaired and the font on TH-cam is quite small so it's quite hard for me to edit and so I use speech to text, but hopefully my comment made sense.
@@AshleysAdvice That’s a traditional Samoan tattoo, she’s not a demigod. This is like saying everyone in Motonui who has a tattoo are all demigods solely for having tattoos. Please learn other people’s cultures.
Why do people always want to do STUPID things???? What's wrong with being friends?
Isn’t Maui in like an adult? And Moana is like 16 or something?
@@2010-g8n She’s 20
@ Oh my bad
@@2010-g8nshe’s 16.
Ew, no.
Maui is more of a father figure heck in the legend he was with Moana's mother and that kinda might hint he is her real father don't know if Disney intended that but might explain why she has some power if they make a 3rd I bet the father reveal might happen
@@smbd1234 That’s false, if you even know the legends at all you would’ve known that Moana does not exist in any of Maui’s stories. Her mother has the same name as Maui’s mother and grandmother.
Me: idc 🤷♀️