1) The Farmers' Produce Trade and Commerce bill just says that all types of agri trade will be allowed (even outside state regulated) APMC mandis. So, now anyone can trade within the State or across the state all over India and it can be physical trade or online trade. And the most important thing is if someone opens a mandi/market for trade of agri commodities (ether i am procuring from farmers and selling it to retailers in my physical mandi or I opened an online portal just like amazon) anywhere in India then NO STATE CAN PUT ANY KIND OF TAX/CHARGES ON AGRI TRANSACTIONS. 2. But if trade happens through State APMC mandis then there are various charges. For example commission agents (arhatiyas) get 2.5%, State Govt imposes mandi charges and cess which gives them Revenue BUT all these charges get built in the price and ultimately the 135 crore consumers suffer in terms of higher prices. So, if the trade move out of these APMC Mandis (till 5th June no one was allowed to trade outside APMC), then who is at LOSS???. Answer: The commission agents (intermediaries) and the State Govt and its corrupt officials. And who will gain..........135 crore consumers of India. And there is no direct impact on farmers but in future they will gain because of several mandis and buyers. And direct procurement from farmers may end up giving more money to farmers for their produce. BUT THEY WHY FARMERS ARE PROTESTING???? Answer is they are being lured into protest. Big farmers of Punjab and Haryana who sell at MSP to FCI in these mandis are thinking (and are forced to think by politicians) that in future Govt. may stop procuring at MSP (but the ordinance does not say this at all) of wheat and Rice and if prices fluctuates on lower side then they may loose because then they have to sell to private traders. BUT why not the other farmers of India are protesting. The Answer is....................MSP is announced for all over India for 25 crops but SINCE 1965........(when FCI got established).............FCI HAS PROCURED ONLY WHEAT AND RICE AND MAINLY FROM THESE TWO STATES PUNJAB AND HARYANA (and to a certain level from MP, Rajasthan, Chattisgarh also). BUT mostly Punjab and Haryana farmers, traders, commission agents, govt has benefitted till now. And who has lost...........135 crore Indians, All other state's farmers. 3) Actually in the last 50 years of this REGULATED agri trade has benefitted the corrupt intermediaries and officials/politicians and they dont want this system to be reformed. Govt should stop procuring at MSP and it should stop giving PDS foodgrains. And just transfer the same benefit in to their account. Everyone will benefit except these agents/corrupt FCI officials/politicians.
Good summary man...satisfied with Govt. Move But the problem is :- Isn't this move towards Crony capitalism (as now big corporates now can enter like in case of demonetization & plus non Mandis APMC are cause for concern!!!
@@himanshukumar-bz2ix As per my view I don't think this reform is moving towards chrony capitalism... Because what happens yet Traders has associations, and they set a particular price for particular items... though enam, MSP like platform is in APMC.... hence nobody is buying from farmers above their already set price.... but now farmers can negotiate or deal with Traders or other customers... I think... but your point is also carrying weight Sir... for this, government should make appropriate mechanism or rules and regulations....
1. we are caught between a law which is exploiting in the form of APMC(present system) from past 60 yes(introduce in 1960), now let's see if open market system works for few years. 2. The MSP is there no matter where farmers sell their produce. 3. The only thing the act lacks is "restrictions on government to change the export-import policy on farm produce" which actually decided price of goods in local market. 4. Today APMC are more like settlement for politicians. 5. It is a challenge for even farmers to be smart and use market, also produce what sells rather than producing items and then searching market. Best of luck to all. 6. This a "golden " chance for start ups to come up with processing of farm items as market is open.
I welcome APMC act 2020. In 2006, the same was implemented in Bihar and profit of farmer has increased almost 3 to 4 times and now every farmer is able to buy Bicycle and happily doing job of labour in urban area. I hope very soon all farmer of the country will become rich and will buy bicycle.
@@krishnanunni2237 haha...Neither i am branding Left nor criticizing Right because i need both hand to survive. we better know the outcome of both the ideology when they are at their extreme. I know everything that you said but I believe, everybody should have sense to critically analyze any topic that is also required for UPSC mains and interview. nowadays, people are not ready to see other side of story. If India is a golden bird than it need both wing to fly.
There is only one biggest concern for farmers, that is having less bargaining power than wealthy buyers, they might end up getting lower price. And thus making MSP legally binding on buyers can safeguard the farmers' interests.
It was mentioned that MSP is an administrative decision. It isn't going anywhere. Farmers can still sell produce to Mandis if they get a better price as compared to the market.
Prof Ramesh Chand, kudos for an excellent presentation which has allayed all apprehensions regarding the provoked fear in the minds of the farmers that with the new law, APMCs may vanish and MSP too. You have made it abundantly clear that the new law has nothing to do with the APMCs which is a state subject, as it only permits the farmers to either sell at APMC or outside APMC without paying any commission, and it also permits any farmer, group of farmers, producer group themselves can act as trader integrator, to collect, process, pack and sell. In addition you have also mentioned that there is no compulsion on any farmer to sell any crop including fruits and vegetables in the APMC and they can sell any where without paying any market cess. You have also made it clear that it is the competition which is the greatest protector of all stakeholders. Except 2 - 3 states, APMC act is in all States for notified commodities, where a farmer needs to bring produce to APMC yard for its trade. If a farmer would like to sell at his farm gate or elsewhere he was not permitted to sell. It is also true that no one could purchase from farmers directly and any one with a permanent account number can get involved in marketing. Therefore hitherto farmer had to sell only and only through APMC channel. Since the last 18 years discussions were going on reg changes to be made in this Act to enable farmers providing flexibility. So after long thought after discussions, debates, in this new Act, flexibility or options are provided to farmers to sell wherever, to whom ever at a price agreeable between farmer and buyer, and this allows farmer/s to bargain; It also provides for electronic platform, and thus pvt players can set up e platform and farmers can make use of them. Farmer with permanent account number or farmer group can buy as a producer group or as trader to integrate, collect, process, pack, which can free farmer completely from binding of sale at APMC. APMC mandis will be intact since they are governed by state APMC Act. There will be multiple avenues for farmers to sell. Direct purchase reduces transaction costs substantially. The second bill is on contract farming, where farmer's price insurance is considered. Punjab had contract farming act which was not comprehensive. A small farmer who has no access to tractor or capital, could enter into agreement with any agribusiness firm and sell the produce at pre detrmined price which is again subject to review, if there is increase in price of produce, the farmer will not be put to disadvantage. it will also enable contract with processor/s with the farmer and this leads to large economic activity in rural areas especially in (primary) processing. These two bills will not affect MSP including procurement in any way. MSP is not a law, it is an administrative decision of the Govt. he provision of purchase outside APMC will also make mandi merchants in APMC competitive. Farmer is now freed from the clutches of middleman. If processor can access farmer directly and he assures a quality product, it can be done thru contract farming. How the farmers' interest and of other stake holders are protected. : Competition itself is the best protector of stakeholders. Farmer now can choose multiple channels for sale. These multiple options will themselves act as protection. More than 10 crore people sell milk every day 365 days, worth Rs. 8 lakh crores annually, without any APMC, without any dispute. Because of competition, such as cooperatives, pvt vendors, but with no disputes. In case disputes, the institution such as FPO, the State machinery will take care. Fruits and Vegs have been taken out of APMC. In Maharashtra, maha grape, maha mango are dealing with these crops. Now there is no compulsion on anybody to sell any crop in APMC, not necessarily fruits and vegetables. So this is just an extension of UPA policy which said exclude Fruits and Vegetables from APMC. Agribusines or contractual firm has to pay 1.5 times to farmer if they back out. With privatization, competition will increase and protect the stakeholders. Because of contract farming, the quality of produce will also improve.
This was a biased discussion in my opinion..No opinion on the possible downsides of the bills... Should have been a more balanced ..these bills are not full proof
This panel is not giving any opinion. It’s talking about facts. Counter narrative of missing MSP is covered at 10:00 mins..and the protection of farmer’s rights are also mentioned.
@@deepakjames3970 That's not governments Job,this channel is to give view point of government for discussion and other stakeholders point of view please read newspaper
@@RS-vu4nn 😀 you seem to have totally missed the point of having media as the fourth pillar of democracy ! Rstv does not belong to the government, rather it is associated with the institution of Rajya Sabha..thus all viewpoints should be covered.
critics are all over social media and opposition, and critics are misleading about MSP, here they are doing factual analysis based on common questions asked by the farmers. Even the answer of MSP have been answered clearly here
Good example of Fruit and vegetables,, It is the real successful example of this act, other experts on study channels lack the understanding of real mechanism of farming system in India.
This will give a new approtunity to private sector to connect directly to farmers and private sector shall provide technical support as well as financial support to farmers and the farmers shall not be dependent govt. officials. It will improve the quality of services and products.
It will ultimately lead to exploitation of small and marginal farmer, pvt sector only interested in profit for this they will form cartels, in next 2-3 years there will be no apmc mandies, reason is on sale within apmc mandies have 6% tax , outside mandies there is no tax
@@abhithakur4770 but , brother this wasn't the case 3 to 4 years earlier or at the time when former Vice President Hamid Ansari started this channel . This channel should follow a rational approach instead , which RSTV followed earlier .
A very productive discussion 👍 But today here you did not call anyone who opposes the bill and can come out with the drawbacks of the bill. One such is no mention of MSP in the bill ,govt should make compulsory for both private and govt. itself to buy crop at MSP.
It was a very informative session. The point that Prof Chand made 'Competition will take care of all stakeholder'. But my point is that competition should start from a common start point. Do you people think that a small farmer will able to compete with the corporates?
1-Famers become price taker to price maker. 2- bargain with commercial group. 3- with the help of e- commerce they can become traders. 4-review provision if the price increase due to some conditions. 5- can lead to large economic activity in rural areas. 6- do not effect msp(administrative law)system they are legal law. 7- ignited by middle man ( punjab , haryana) as they have good hold. No other state have any murmur. 8- state revenue will have loss.7000 crore in Punjab. 9- farmers will have choice. (Milk is sold everyday)( people have choice to sell lo ocal sender, amul) 10- extension and expansion of what is done by UPA. xxxxxxxxxincruxxxxxxxxxxx
Every major reforms especially agriculture should include an representative who gets directly affected from outcome of the reform that wasn't done in this case
Kindly increase the run time of this show and do bring in a more balanced panel eventhough the points were good but there wasn't really a proper debate btw opposing views.
@@dev2724 u can just post 😀 nothing much..mr vivek was going to tell that already bsln has lost its purpose...its not too far agriculture will also end up same fate🤷♂️
One thing that concerns me is the question , What will become of the consumer's side ?......what are the odds the prices wont go up as onions due to hoarding .and the odds that procurer (corporates) decides to rise the price of produce .....? ....we have seen what has happend in telecom industry(JIO)
I am still having certain doubts about it 1. Let say through privatization competition will increase, but what is the guarantee that competition will inc the price of produce for farmers. Ex let's say companies providing 100 for a produce when msp is let's say 120, now mandis middleman will join companies in long run as why would they buy from farmers with at least 120 rs. So In long run it will effect mandi system as whole. Let's admit small farmers don't have power to argue with companies and now it will open competition. 2. Regarding stock holding: for big farmers they can store their crop and sell it later at high price. For small farmers, middleman will take and store and sell at higher price. Earlier let's say stock limit was 100 , but now no stock limit as hoarding can be done easily. So take produce from farmers at low cost,store it and sell it. 3. Regarding contract farming: let's say small farmers produce 10 quantal and companies need 100 quantal so instead of buying from him, company will buy from big farmer. Open competition does not help always, I guess milk open competition was successful due to formation of cooperatives. Pls give your view regarding this.
When government owned media is more non-partisan and brings in guests who are actually critical of the government and lets them speak. But, on the other hand, you have "independent" private godi media racing to be the biggest bootlicker of the government... sic
It's a game of TRP agenda. You have anti India, communist brigade of NDTV, wire, scroll. Then you will have pro government media channels as well. That's how things work. I would say WION is a much better channel.
Sir how can u relate milk with wheat/rice??.... People purchase milk easily because it is produced daily and consumed on daily basis....but wheat is produced once a year....how will farmar find someone who will buy it in bulk
Prof Rameshcand I have one question is that what are long time effect of this act? what will type of situation after 10 to 20 year I think Mandi will be finished and then farmer totally depends upon open market and case farmer live or die don't effect of anyone
1. Small farmers in my opinion should makes a union where s/he can grow same commodity and then they can contract with business persons for contract farming 2. Small farmers can sell theirs commodity in open markets where he can get good prices. 3. MSP option is there too
If competition was to take care, there would have been no need of PSUs... going for invisible hands is good but for the sensitive, risky sectors like agriculture should be based on facts rather than mouth talk only...farmers do not have bargaining power to face private companies ...and perishability of farm produce will force again to distress sale ( right now also happening the same, it's just rather than middle man the beneficiary will be capitalists now, hence this bill will not have drastic change for farmer but to **** marts coming in market as e commerce)...other produce are not perishable hence for that invisible hands can work but in case of agriculture only cashier's hand are working.
So they put all the gov. Representatives to discuss such an important topic. There should have been another person to put forth the farmers point of view.
It would be better if u must have a farmer's representative in the panel, Mr. Dahiya. The agriculture is collapsing because such bureaucrats and agriculture expert r making policy and acts, who have nothing to do with agriculture prictically but have theoritical bookish knowledge. Such people r busy in kissing the feet of their political bosses. If these acts have potential of revolutionizing agriculture than the farmers of Europe and America would be prospered who are rather in far worse conditions than their Indian counterparts.Even farmers of Bihar have prospered which have these provisions already. Agriculture can't prosper unless right people are placed at bureaucratic and other agriculture related posts and work with synergy and commitment. And one advise to such so called experts, upcoming generations of farmers will ask you; why were you so desperate in ruining the future of farming with your limited bookish knowledge and habbit of kissing the feet of your political bosses for opportunitism? It is the mere the tectis to do away with the MSP/subsidy which is putting a burden on government fiscal health due to food security act. This country can't afford food subsidy to 67% of its population. It would have been better if you have decreased the no of subsidised food beneficiary from 67% to 25% genuine poors. You would never be succeed in your misadventure to provide food subsidy to 67% of population at the cost of farmers. Thanks A farmer
I am not a farmer thus just a simple question to you, were you angry at the conditions before these acts arrived, or is it just from the current situation that has quite obviously made you so furious. And if so the conditions are to worsen then I believe you can take the pleasure in your prediction. And also if you say that we should put right bureaucrats in the seats, can you make sure that they have not acquired their expertise through "bookish knowledge". If you have a way of doing that I think that is to be shared with everyone.
Discussion is only pro liberalist ,no one of them talked about state subject / revenue and other concerns of farmers such as in absence of competition , monopoly of market could be there, price rise of agriculture products might be incure in the absence of non regulations. More over the issue is a structural change so wider discussion and concessus is needed which not taken care.its is like demotivation and GST implementation which slump the economy ,now who will care for farmer and consumer ? Panel must be balanced to stakeout all the pros and cons.
The example of milk was not a good example from the reputed spokesperson, as we only receive 35 rupee for seeling milk to pvt Dairy, and they sell that on 50 rupee aprx in the market... where this difference value went.??
Sir, please include panelists also from other grounds like sociology and having dialectical approach .a better perspective could be achieved and a better choice
Not well discussion bcaz there should be one who argument this.. No one is telling about lackness of this bill.. Why without vote this bill passed...,, Private player always think about their own profit.. Private player can create artificial shortage... This type of argument is not discussed.... Go and see study iq discussion on this.. And Devendra sharma ji agriculturer expert discussion with Rathee.. Then u will no the lackness of bill..
It is a true statement that the private players will always think of their own profit. But incoming of the private players will lead to the removal of the hierarchy of the middlemen. Let's assume a scenario that the private players will not increase the prices of the crops. This will lead to huge amounts of profits and according to economics wherever there are profits it attracts more players in the game. Now this will attract more companies in the game. Which will create demand of the products of the farmers which eventually lead to the higher prices to the farmers. (demand and supply). Please mention your thoughts about the above scenario. Although there were many more things that could have been done in the parliament for example they could have been formed a committee to fine tune the things in the bill. Since The working model of BJP is trial and error method as was evident from GST. Which would lead to repurcussions in the initial phases.
1. Bihar APMC act was abolished 8 years back, check the status of Bihar Miserably failed. 2. Farmer is not so wealthy to find a consumer and sell directly. 3.About 99% of farmer cant keep the produce for long because of monetary issue and many other issues. 4. If Government sell rice and wheat at 2 kg then farmer situation is not going be better. 5. MSP only 6% of farmers are able to sell their produce at this rate
As mentioned, APMC Mandis are still existing. so there is no abolition of APMC Mandis. i think there will be more issues which will be addressed soon. but this is the first step.
The problem is Bihar is market density. The mandis are far away from the reach of farmers who has to travel miles to sell in produce.Meanwhile middlemen steps in.
@@amritpritam8633 true, and form the cartel just like APMC. And the concern is earlier farmers used to get other facilities at APMC mandis by paying fee, but since now they don't pay any fees and infrastructure is not developed they don't get any warehouse or other facilities.
@@shashiketan The Apmc are so fragmented that a farmers ends up loosing much of his income (with fees) each time he brings something to the mandi.Moreover the Apmc's are fragmented in states itself,leave alone India.However just bypassing Apmc wont help.Many things must follow.
Mr Vishal please be subtle when you are interrupting the panelists, no offence but the quality of the debate has gone down drastically without Mr Frank.
this intellectual experienced panel would have discussed if they find any flaws. what required is a proper complaint redressal machanism for farmers where even a small farmer can put his grievances and get justice in a time bound manner.
People complaining about no critic in the panel, don't you have any video regarding that. Look up and you would find thousands of critics. And mind you less than 5% would be actually having knowledge about the actual situation. If you are so keen on knowing the criticism my advice would be to first hear the pro and then lend your ear to critics as much as you want, you may swim in the river of criticism as long as you want. Mind you, you won't find quality criticism.
In himachal our tribal farmers of Lahaul Spiti and kinnaur are more educated and they sell their vegetables,dry fruit, and fruits directly to out of state traders and contractors and to APMCs depending on rate and preference. This has potential to transform a poor farmer to business entrepreneur
So basically the opposition's argument is yes we have already took fruits and vegetables out of APMCs in 2013, but current Govt should not extend this to other crops like wheat and rice. Logic commits thousand suicide!
So many 'maybes' in the arguments shows that no one is aware of the ground reality. Everything second point is totally theoretical, maybe it will help this way, maybe that way. Does anyone of them know how much petrol it would take a tractor to carry produce to the other state?
No doubt the overall intention might be modern, but modernisation doesn't have to put small people out of business when they can't even turn to other jobs.
Farmer is smart enough to calculate its transaction cost & sell wherever he finds it best. You don't carry every product to US or Europe just because they give higher price because transaction cost would be more, so you find something nearby. That is competition.
This panel doesn't deserve the quality of big picture. Farmer is not bound to sell there produce in apmc mandi. He is also sell the product in village or in open market.
if a farmer feels he cant bargain then he will better go to mandis to get his product sell with MSP. the point is if no one has problem with the way milk market functions then why there is foul cry for this extension.
1) The Farmers' Produce Trade and Commerce bill just says that all types of agri trade will be allowed (even outside state regulated) APMC mandis. So, now anyone can trade within the State or across the state all over India and it can be physical trade or online trade. And the most important thing is if someone opens a mandi/market for trade of agri commodities (ether i am procuring from farmers and selling it to retailers in my physical mandi or I opened an online portal just like amazon) anywhere in India then NO STATE CAN PUT ANY KIND OF TAX/CHARGES ON AGRI TRANSACTIONS.
2. But if trade happens through State APMC mandis then there are various charges. For example commission agents (arhatiyas) get 2.5%, State Govt imposes mandi charges and cess which gives them Revenue BUT all these charges get built in the price and ultimately the 135 crore consumers suffer in terms of higher prices. So, if the trade move out of these APMC Mandis (till 5th June no one was allowed to trade outside APMC), then who is at LOSS???.
Answer: The commission agents (intermediaries) and the State Govt and its corrupt officials. And who will gain..........135 crore consumers of India. And there is no direct impact on farmers but in future they will gain because of several mandis and buyers. And direct procurement from farmers may end up giving more money to farmers for their produce. BUT THEY WHY FARMERS ARE PROTESTING???? Answer is they are being lured into protest.
Big farmers of Punjab and Haryana who sell at MSP to FCI in these mandis are thinking (and are forced to think by politicians) that in future Govt. may stop procuring at MSP (but the ordinance does not say this at all) of wheat and Rice and if prices fluctuates on lower side then they may loose because then they have to sell to private traders. BUT why not the other farmers of India are protesting. The Answer is....................MSP is announced for all over India for 25 crops but SINCE 1965........(when FCI got established).............FCI HAS PROCURED ONLY WHEAT AND RICE AND MAINLY FROM THESE TWO STATES PUNJAB AND HARYANA (and to a certain level from MP, Rajasthan, Chattisgarh also). BUT mostly Punjab and Haryana farmers, traders, commission agents, govt has benefitted till now. And who has lost...........135 crore Indians, All other state's farmers.
3) Actually in the last 50 years of this REGULATED agri trade has benefitted the corrupt intermediaries and officials/politicians and they dont want this system to be reformed. Govt should stop procuring at MSP and it should stop giving PDS foodgrains. And just transfer the same benefit in to their account. Everyone will benefit except these agents/corrupt FCI officials/politicians.
Commendable analysis bro.
Good summary man...satisfied with Govt. Move
But the problem is :- Isn't this move towards Crony capitalism (as now big corporates now can enter like in case of demonetization & plus non Mandis APMC are cause for concern!!!
@@jigyanshumishra4176 Thank you so much wholeheartedly!!!
@@himanshukumar-bz2ix As per my view I don't think this reform is moving towards chrony capitalism... Because what happens yet Traders has associations, and they set a particular price for particular items... though enam, MSP like platform is in APMC.... hence nobody is buying from farmers above their already set price.... but now farmers can negotiate or deal with Traders or other customers... I think... but your point is also carrying weight Sir... for this, government should make appropriate mechanism or rules and regulations....
@@upscaspirants6435 thank you for your inputs :)
The only show I recommend for every student and personals to watch.
True. Better than other debates that give headaches
They cleared my doubt which was not cleared after reading The Hindu
Correct
Don't read The Hindu. It has clear leftist bias and all leftists are against free market reforms.
@@brijeshchandrakar sahi bola bhai
No you need hear both then decide. That is the fun of democracy, you get to listen both way and decide.
These days The hindu is on holidays!!!
1. we are caught between a law which is exploiting in the form of APMC(present system) from past 60 yes(introduce in 1960), now let's see if open market system works for few years.
2. The MSP is there no matter where farmers sell their produce.
3. The only thing the act lacks is "restrictions on government to change the export-import policy on farm produce" which actually decided price of goods in local market.
4. Today APMC are more like settlement for politicians.
5. It is a challenge for even farmers to be smart and use market, also produce what sells rather than producing items and then searching market. Best of luck to all.
6. This a "golden " chance for start ups to come up with processing of farm items as market is open.
When this model has failed in developed Countries like US . How will it be successful in india !!!
Dented Act !!!
@@sharanjitkaur6434 We are not US...simple...
Prof. Ramesh Chand has explained very very nicely...good to see such an intellect in NITI Ayog
Prof CHAND......
ABSOLUTELY NAILED.....
A WELL DISCUSSION OF AGRRICULTURE REFORM.
Very well explained by Prof.Ramesh Chand👌👌👌👌
Prof. Ramesh Chand was giving great information in a easy way. Thank you so much
I welcome APMC act 2020. In 2006, the same was implemented in Bihar and profit of farmer has increased almost 3 to 4 times and now every farmer is able to buy Bicycle and happily doing job of labour in urban area. I hope very soon all farmer of the country will become rich and will buy bicycle.
@@krishnanunni2237 haha...Neither i am branding Left nor criticizing Right because i need both hand to survive. we better know the outcome of both the ideology when they are at their extreme. I know everything that you said but I believe, everybody should have sense to critically analyze any topic that is also required for UPSC mains and interview.
nowadays, people are not ready to see other side of story. If India is a golden bird than it need both wing to fly.
There is only one biggest concern for farmers, that is having less bargaining power than wealthy buyers, they might end up getting lower price. And thus making MSP legally binding on buyers can safeguard the farmers' interests.
It was mentioned that MSP is an administrative decision. It isn't going anywhere. Farmers can still sell produce to Mandis if they get a better price as compared to the market.
How does this logic makes sense? Why will any farmer sign any contract which pays less than MSP?
Prof Ramesh Chand, kudos for an excellent presentation which has allayed all apprehensions regarding the provoked fear in the minds of the farmers that with the new law, APMCs may vanish and MSP too. You have made it abundantly clear that the new law has nothing to do with the APMCs which is a state subject, as it only permits the farmers to either sell at APMC or outside APMC without paying any commission, and it also permits any farmer, group of farmers, producer group themselves can act as trader integrator, to collect, process, pack and sell. In addition you have also mentioned that there is no compulsion on any farmer to sell any crop including fruits and vegetables in the APMC and they can sell any where without paying any market cess. You have also made it clear that it is the competition which is the greatest protector of all stakeholders.
Except 2 - 3 states, APMC act is in all States for notified commodities, where a farmer needs to bring produce to APMC yard for its trade. If a farmer would like to sell at his farm gate or elsewhere he was not permitted to sell. It is also true that no one could purchase from farmers directly and any one with a permanent account number can get involved in marketing. Therefore hitherto farmer had to sell only and only through APMC channel. Since the last 18 years discussions were going on reg changes to be made in this Act to enable farmers providing flexibility. So after long thought after discussions, debates, in this new Act, flexibility or options are provided to farmers to sell wherever, to whom ever at a price agreeable between farmer and buyer, and this allows farmer/s to bargain; It also provides for electronic platform, and thus pvt players can set up e platform and farmers can make use of them. Farmer with permanent account number or farmer group can buy as a producer group or as trader to integrate, collect, process, pack, which can free farmer completely from binding of sale at APMC. APMC mandis will be intact since they are governed by state APMC Act. There will be multiple avenues for farmers to sell. Direct purchase reduces transaction costs substantially.
The second bill is on contract farming, where farmer's price insurance is considered. Punjab had contract farming act which was not comprehensive. A small farmer who has no access to tractor or capital, could enter into agreement with any agribusiness firm and sell the produce at pre detrmined price which is again subject to review, if there is increase in price of produce, the farmer will not be put to disadvantage. it will also enable contract with processor/s with the farmer and this leads to large economic activity in rural areas especially in (primary) processing. These two bills will not affect MSP including procurement in any way. MSP is not a law, it is an administrative decision of the Govt. he provision of purchase outside APMC will also make mandi merchants in APMC competitive. Farmer is now freed from the clutches of middleman. If processor can access farmer directly and he assures a quality product, it can be done thru contract farming.
How the farmers' interest and of other stake holders are protected. : Competition itself is the best protector of stakeholders. Farmer now can choose multiple channels for sale. These multiple options will themselves act as protection. More than 10 crore people sell milk every day 365 days, worth Rs. 8 lakh crores annually, without any APMC, without any dispute. Because of competition, such as cooperatives, pvt vendors, but with no disputes. In case disputes, the institution such as FPO, the State machinery will take care. Fruits and Vegs have been taken out of APMC. In Maharashtra, maha grape, maha mango are dealing with these crops. Now there is no compulsion on anybody to sell any crop in APMC, not necessarily fruits and vegetables. So this is just an extension of UPA policy which said exclude Fruits and Vegetables from APMC. Agribusines or contractual firm has to pay 1.5 times to farmer if they back out. With privatization, competition will increase and protect the stakeholders. Because of contract farming, the quality of produce will also improve.
This was a biased discussion in my opinion..No opinion on the possible downsides of the bills... Should have been a more balanced ..these bills are not full proof
Hmm, right, there are multiple flaws in the bills which should be presented in the more elaborated manner.
Right... Their are many loopholes.. but unfortunately this is godi media.
@@bhushanpatil7622 plz explain the big ones sir. Because debate mein toh kuch bole nhi ye log.
@bhushan patil..this is Modi media..not Godi
@@bhushanpatil7622 if you are aware then plz let us know about the disadvantages of this bill????
Counternarrative is altogether absent.....We want more balanced panel.
This panel is not giving any opinion. It’s talking about facts. Counter narrative of missing MSP is covered at 10:00 mins..and the protection of farmer’s rights are also mentioned.
We need to weigh in on the positives and negatives ..the discussion misses the flip side of the coin!
@@deepakjames3970 That's not governments Job,this channel is to give view point of government for discussion and other stakeholders point of view please read newspaper
@@RS-vu4nn 😀 you seem to have totally missed the point of having media as the fourth pillar of democracy ! Rstv does not belong to the government, rather it is associated with the institution of Rajya Sabha..thus all viewpoints should be covered.
@@deepshikhasingh4965 Nope, not entirely true.
There should have been atleast one penalist from farmer organisation for his opinion. still ambiguous
Yes i agree...this is one side only...not at all debate😏
U must have brought one critic in the panel ..
modi de bnde ne bhai yeh.
yes bro
@@dhruvmodgil7677 are yar jo bol rhe vo bhi samjho, bs andha virodh chla hai, ye bill pro farmer hai, ghata sirf ahartiyo ko hai
critics are all over social media and opposition, and critics are misleading about MSP, here they are doing factual analysis based on common questions asked by the farmers. Even the answer of MSP have been answered clearly here
Try to understand what they are saying instead of always opposing
Good example of Fruit and vegetables,, It is the real successful example of this act, other experts on study channels lack the understanding of real mechanism of farming system in India.
Every time professor Chand said: Dahiya ji ..I smiled :)
lol I think Dahiya ji smiled once too
@@atulanand7815 yeah I noticed it :D
Great debat for former of India to also contract forming and also achievements to give better positions in the sector of agriculture
Ramesh chand in the beginning was like educated Sambit Patra.............
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Prof Ramesh Chand👍
This will give a new approtunity to private sector to connect directly to farmers and private sector shall provide technical support as well as financial support to farmers and the farmers shall not be dependent govt. officials. It will improve the quality of services and products.
It will ultimately lead to exploitation of small and marginal farmer, pvt sector only interested in profit for this they will form cartels, in next 2-3 years there will be no apmc mandies, reason is on sale within apmc mandies have 6% tax , outside mandies there is no tax
Thing is that pvt players are always profit motive can go to any extent to exploit farmers especially small farmers who hardly have any legal backing
Amazing debate. Cleared all the doubts. Prof. Chand 🙏🙌
This is the best channel for listening debates.
It cleared all my doubts.
Thanks to RSTV.
RS TV , Discussions got deteriorated nowadays . Only presenting single view of the coin and not doing justice with issues.
Because they are govt channels. They want to propagate the agenda of govt.
@@abhithakur4770 but , brother this wasn't the case 3 to 4 years earlier or at the time when former Vice President Hamid Ansari started this channel . This channel should follow a rational approach instead , which RSTV followed earlier .
@@abhithakur4770 is rstv a government channel ? Is it not associated with the Rajya Sabha ? Rajya Sabha and government are not the same
If there’s any news channel in India that worth watching it’s definitely RSTV
A very productive discussion 👍
But today here you did not call anyone who opposes the bill and can come out with the drawbacks of the bill. One such is no mention of MSP in the bill ,govt should make compulsory for both private and govt. itself to buy crop at MSP.
Waiting for long....well explained by Prof. Rameshchand
i could see Mr.dahiya struggling to intervene prof Ramesh chand flow
And even the other panelists,struggling hard to be awake and showing the signs of boredom and restlessness.
What the controversy is about
Kings losing their privilege..
Independence must come at cost of kings {middleman}
It was a very informative session.
The point that Prof Chand made 'Competition will take care of all stakeholder'. But my point is that competition should start from a common start point. Do you people think that a small farmer will able to compete with the corporates?
Sir ur program has cleared a lot of things for young minds
1-Famers become price taker to price maker.
2- bargain with commercial group.
3- with the help of e- commerce they can become traders.
4-review provision if the price increase due to some conditions.
5- can lead to large economic activity in rural areas.
6- do not effect msp(administrative law)system they are legal law.
7- ignited by middle man ( punjab , haryana) as they have good hold. No other state have any murmur.
8- state revenue will have loss.7000 crore in Punjab.
9- farmers will have choice. (Milk is sold everyday)( people have choice to sell lo ocal sender, amul)
10- extension and expansion of what is done by UPA.
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Going forward, the Mandi will come to the farmer's door step rather than the farmer going to thr Mandi now.
Let's see
Reforms are always welcome in agriculture sector which was neglected by the previous govts
Every major reforms especially agriculture should include an representative who gets directly affected from outcome of the reform that wasn't done in this case
Once again very sensible and information full discussion
Great... Cleared everything about this issue.. Thank you
Disappointed! Was looking forward to hear both sides. This does not look like a healthy discussion.
Yes i too agree with you. Not at all debate😏🙄
The discussion isn't balanced. There are no arguments against the motion.
There are not many against points basically. Those people who are telling negatives are spreading politically motivated propaganda.
@@krishnanunni2237 where is it
Law without farmers and discussion without farmers but a 1991 moment for farmers
Sir you can take full 30 minutes ,you always look like in hurry
the hindu trademark for upsc has been changed and you can find indian express, live mint to some extent provide well articulation of subjects.
Kindly increase the run time of this show and do bring in a more balanced panel eventhough the points were good but there wasn't really a proper debate btw opposing views.
Very lucid explanation. Thank you :)
Thank you sir🌞
Panel should have been manned by one eminent person from agitating farmers side.
only channel i trust best for cse
What if first competitors destroy the mondies and then operate the market as they wish. As it happened with bsnl.
Haha😂 how can you compare agriculture And BSNL
Just because there is a chance of accident on road it's not that we don't go out.
Did the apmc sector of fruits vanished?? The answer is the answer to ur question
@@dev2724 u can just post 😀 nothing much..mr vivek was going to tell that already bsln has lost its purpose...its not too far agriculture will also end up same fate🤷♂️
@@vinuthanm33 BSNL is lacking because it did not adapted to the market....
Great discussion thank you 😊😊
Plz add conclusion part also ...which help us understand the debate more clearly
One thing that concerns me is the question , What will become of the consumer's side ?......what are the odds the prices wont go up as onions due to hoarding .and the odds that procurer (corporates) decides to rise the price of produce .....? ....we have seen what has happend in telecom industry(JIO)
I am still having certain doubts about it
1. Let say through privatization competition will increase, but what is the guarantee that competition will inc the price of produce for farmers. Ex let's say companies providing 100 for a produce when msp is let's say 120, now mandis middleman will join companies in long run as why would they buy from farmers with at least 120 rs. So In long run it will effect mandi system as whole. Let's admit small farmers don't have power to argue with companies and now it will open competition.
2. Regarding stock holding: for big farmers they can store their crop and sell it later at high price. For small farmers, middleman will take and store and sell at higher price. Earlier let's say stock limit was 100 , but now no stock limit as hoarding can be done easily. So take produce from farmers at low cost,store it and sell it.
3. Regarding contract farming: let's say small farmers produce 10 quantal and companies need 100 quantal so instead of buying from him, company will buy from big farmer.
Open competition does not help always, I guess milk open competition was successful due to formation of cooperatives.
Pls give your view regarding this.
Thanks to Rajya Sabha TV who cleared all my daubt which in not cleared by the Hindu
When government owned media is more non-partisan and brings in guests who are actually critical of the government and lets them speak. But, on the other hand, you have "independent" private godi media racing to be the biggest bootlicker of the government... sic
True.. doordarshan is also a breath of fresh air
Mental delirium equals to godi media.
It's a game of TRP agenda. You have anti India, communist brigade of NDTV, wire, scroll. Then you will have pro government media channels as well. That's how things work. I would say WION is a much better channel.
Sir how can u relate milk with wheat/rice??.... People purchase milk easily because it is produced daily and consumed on daily basis....but wheat is produced once a year....how will farmar find someone who will buy it in bulk
Prof Rameshcand I have one question is that what are long time effect of this act? what will type of situation after 10 to 20 year
I think Mandi will be finished and then farmer totally depends upon open market and case farmer live or die don't effect of anyone
There are alot of issue too. How will small farmers sell to contract farmers
1. Small farmers in my opinion should makes a union where s/he can grow same commodity and then they can contract with business persons for contract farming
2. Small farmers can sell theirs commodity in open markets where he can get good prices.
3. MSP option is there too
Small Farmers will make Farmer Producer Organisations ,aggregators
If competition was to take care, there would have been no need of PSUs... going for invisible hands is good but for the sensitive, risky sectors like agriculture should be based on facts rather than mouth talk only...farmers do not have bargaining power to face private companies ...and perishability of farm produce will force again to distress sale ( right now also happening the same, it's just rather than middle man the beneficiary will be capitalists now, hence this bill will not have drastic change for farmer but to **** marts coming in market as e commerce)...other produce are not perishable hence for that invisible hands can work but in case of agriculture only cashier's hand are working.
Thanks you sir for uploading sub-title
Kaha hai
What about the 3rd bill of essential commodities act,
What about the critique of it....its missing :(
Exactly...no one is talking about small farmers who owns less than a acre land they can't have a MoU with private players or with anyone
bring diverse opinion panelists who criticise govt also
Who will pay to farmers if their crop is effected by floods
@Priyanka Sharma I read the ordinance but couldn't find it
Can anyone tell me what is TNC Farming plz...it would be great help
So they put all the gov. Representatives to discuss such an important topic. There should have been another person to put forth the farmers point of view.
It would be better if u must have a farmer's representative in the panel, Mr. Dahiya. The agriculture is collapsing because such bureaucrats and agriculture expert r making policy and acts, who have nothing to do with agriculture prictically but have theoritical bookish knowledge. Such people r busy in kissing the feet of their political bosses. If these acts have potential of revolutionizing agriculture than the farmers of Europe and America would be prospered who are rather in far worse conditions than their Indian counterparts.Even farmers of Bihar have prospered which have these provisions already. Agriculture can't prosper unless right people are placed at bureaucratic and other agriculture related posts and work with synergy and commitment.
And one advise to such so called experts, upcoming generations of farmers will ask you; why were you so desperate in ruining the future of farming with your limited bookish knowledge and habbit of kissing the feet of your political bosses for opportunitism?
It is the mere the tectis to do away with the MSP/subsidy which is putting a burden on government fiscal health due to food security act. This country can't afford food subsidy to 67% of its population. It would have been better if you have decreased the no of subsidised food beneficiary from 67% to 25% genuine poors.
You would never be succeed in your misadventure to provide food subsidy to 67% of population at the cost of farmers.
Thanks
A farmer
Suggest other alternative.
I am not a farmer thus just a simple question to you, were you angry at the conditions before these acts arrived, or is it just from the current situation that has quite obviously made you so furious. And if so the conditions are to worsen then I believe you can take the pleasure in your prediction. And also if you say that we should put right bureaucrats in the seats, can you make sure that they have not acquired their expertise through "bookish knowledge". If you have a way of doing that I think that is to be shared with everyone.
Discussion is only pro liberalist ,no one of them talked about state subject / revenue and other concerns of farmers such as in absence of competition , monopoly of market could be there, price rise of agriculture products might be incure in the absence of non regulations.
More over the issue is a structural change so wider discussion and concessus is needed which not taken care.its is like demotivation and GST implementation which slump the economy ,now who will care for farmer and consumer ? Panel must be balanced to stakeout all the pros and cons.
Although the discussion was good but frank sir could have made it better, smoother and a more equal kind of debate.
Where is frank? I miss him on big picture
The example of milk was not a good example from the reputed spokesperson, as we only receive 35 rupee for seeling milk to pvt Dairy, and they sell that on 50 rupee aprx in the market... where this difference value went.??
Such big names of bills
very lucid...thnx a lot.
What a nice topic to discussed..quite healthy debate & knowledge sharing mechanisms..
Very nicely explained.... But kind of one sided, could have had a member of the akali Dal as well to justify all these protests.
Best discussion nd extremely knowledgeable..but the other side of coin is missing..
Thanks Rstv 🙂
Sir, please include panelists also from other grounds like sociology and having dialectical approach .a better perspective could be achieved and a better choice
Thanks sir 👍👍 big news
Milk example is perfect
sab upsc vale hai kya idhar ?
Not well discussion bcaz there should be one who argument this.. No one is telling about lackness of this bill..
Why without vote this bill passed...,, Private player always think about their own profit..
Private player can create artificial shortage... This type of argument is not discussed....
Go and see study iq discussion on this.. And Devendra sharma ji agriculturer expert discussion with Rathee.. Then u will no the lackness of bill..
It is a true statement that the private players will always think of their own profit. But incoming of the private players will lead to the removal of the hierarchy of the middlemen. Let's assume a scenario that the private players will not increase the prices of the crops. This will lead to huge amounts of profits and according to economics wherever there are profits it attracts more players in the game. Now this will attract more companies in the game. Which will create demand of the products of the farmers which eventually lead to the higher prices to the farmers. (demand and supply).
Please mention your thoughts about the above scenario.
Although there were many more things that could have been done in the parliament for example they could have been formed a committee to fine tune the things in the bill. Since The working model of BJP is trial and error method as was evident from GST. Which would lead to repurcussions in the initial phases.
anchor is asking the common queries and the experts are answering on the basis of their knowledge and expertise, nothing is political agenda here
Thanks
1. Bihar APMC act was abolished 8 years back, check the status of Bihar Miserably failed.
2. Farmer is not so wealthy to find a consumer and sell directly.
3.About 99% of farmer cant keep the produce for long because of monetary issue and many other issues.
4. If Government sell rice and wheat at 2 kg then farmer situation is not going be better.
5. MSP only 6% of farmers are able to sell their produce at this rate
As mentioned, APMC Mandis are still existing. so there is no abolition of APMC Mandis.
i think there will be more issues which will be addressed soon. but this is the first step.
The problem is Bihar is market density. The mandis are far away from the reach of farmers who has to travel miles to sell in produce.Meanwhile middlemen steps in.
@@amritpritam8633 true, and form the cartel just like APMC. And the concern is earlier farmers used to get other facilities at APMC mandis by paying fee, but since now they don't pay any fees and infrastructure is not developed they don't get any warehouse or other facilities.
@@shashiketan The Apmc are so fragmented that a farmers ends up loosing much of his income (with fees) each time he brings something to the mandi.Moreover the Apmc's are fragmented in states itself,leave alone India.However just bypassing Apmc wont help.Many things must follow.
Audio clearance ka kuch kijiy sir
Mr Vishal please be subtle when you are interrupting the panelists, no offence but the quality of the debate has gone down drastically without Mr Frank.
Frank sir is missing
this intellectual experienced panel would have discussed if they find any flaws. what required is a proper complaint redressal machanism for farmers where even a small farmer can put his grievances and get justice in a time bound manner.
People complaining about no critic in the panel, don't you have any video regarding that. Look up and you would find thousands of critics. And mind you less than 5% would be actually having knowledge about the actual situation. If you are so keen on knowing the criticism my advice would be to first hear the pro and then lend your ear to critics as much as you want, you may swim in the river of criticism as long as you want. Mind you, you won't find quality criticism.
What does alok sinha knows about farming??
what example did mr sandip das gave about pune mandi? The name is unclear.
But How will Farmers find a new processor by himself?
In himachal our tribal farmers of Lahaul Spiti and kinnaur are more educated and they sell their vegetables,dry fruit, and fruits directly to out of state traders and contractors and to APMCs depending on rate and preference. This has potential to transform a poor farmer to business entrepreneur
I'm so laughing on the attempts by Mr dahiya.
Is this a debate or a lecture by just one member ?
So basically the opposition's argument is yes we have already took fruits and vegetables out of APMCs in 2013, but current Govt should not extend this to other crops like wheat and rice.
Logic commits thousand suicide!
Every thing has pros n cons.... Plz bring out farmers view... Why they are protesting at such level... ..
This is the show I hope my family watched rather than all the filth like Big Boss etc.
So many 'maybes' in the arguments shows that no one is aware of the ground reality.
Everything second point is totally theoretical, maybe it will help this way, maybe that way.
Does anyone of them know how much petrol it would take a tractor to carry produce to the other state?
Every second point*
No doubt the overall intention might be modern, but modernisation doesn't have to put small people out of business when they can't even turn to other jobs.
This same experiment was done in Bihar in 2006 and it failed
Okkam's razor
Farmer is smart enough to calculate its transaction cost & sell wherever he finds it best. You don't carry every product to US or Europe just because they give higher price because transaction cost would be more, so you find something nearby. That is competition.
This panel doesn't deserve the quality of big picture. Farmer is not bound to sell there produce in apmc mandi. He is also sell the product in village or in open market.
What is rtr
if a farmer feels he cant bargain then he will better go to mandis to get his product sell with MSP.
the point is if no one has problem with the way milk market functions then why there is foul cry for this extension.
There was no debate today. Just advantages of act is discussed. Disappointed