Evolution of Basarios & Gravios in Monster Hunter - Heavy Wings
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In the 22nd episode of this series, we explore how Basarios and Gravios''s movesets have evolved throughout the years, since their first appearances in Monster Hunter, all the way to Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak.
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Contents
0:00 Intro
0:43 Gen1-2 Basarios
1:25 Gen1-2 Gravios
2:13 MH4U Basarios
2:57 MH4U Gravios
4:03 Generations
4:16 Rise and Sunbreak
4L50 Conclusion
Music Featured in Video
MHFU Volcano Theme
MH1 Volcano Theme
MH4 Everwood Theme
MHR Sunbreak Monster Intro Theme 2
MHR Lava Caverns Theme
MHStories Tresse Desert Theme - เกม
Sharpness: purple
Hit once:
Sharpness: severe red
Ughhh tell me about it!
Something unmentioned here is that Rise Basarios will have a slightly different appearance depending on whether he is fought in the desert or volcano map. Off the top of my head the only other monster to do something like this ignoring generational design updates is slagtoth, which have different colors on volcanos compared to swamp areas.
It's pretty cool he does that. Shame he's not in the Shrine Ruins as he would have been mossy again.
Konchus have also this mechanic. I wish *EVERY* monster has a slightly difference like these monsterw
@@bobisuncanny2760 I think it's should just be with Large Monsters that use the environment as camouflage on their bodies. It may be hard to differentiate Subspecies from just a asthetic for their bodies.
I didn't know this, but I've always quietly wished this were a more universal thing across all monsters
Wait really how so?
The fact that both Basarios and Gravios can hatch from eggs in MH Stories is hilarious
Same with Bloodbath Diablos
@HeavyWings yep. Ecology is out the table if you can hatch a Black Diablos
Gravies was one of the most pleasant surprises from GU, coming from Rise and World. I'd expected Gravios to be annoying, but ultimately it ended up being quite enjoyable and the fact that they're not in rise is honestly a crime
Perhaps Gravios is only present near the swamp and larger volcanic areas of the Old World instead of Kamura, it seems.
Basarios hanging out in Kamura were probably castaways because they dwell in there without the need of evolving into a Gravios perhaps?
I really liked the lineup we got in Sunbreak however there were definitely a handful of monsters that felt like they should have been added and just weren't for whatever reason. Gravios is one of them.
Excluding Leviathans :( the mature Stone and the Toad feel like super obvious ones
@@niklasmitfussl2639 Also Balloon shark :/
Definitely, cause now we have:
Jagras, but no great Jagras.
Jaggi and Jaggia, but not Great Jaggi.
Zamite, but no Zamtrios.
A baby Tetsucabra (in the gathering hub, under master Hojo), but no Tetsucabra.
Velociprey, but no Velocidrome.
Basarios, but no Gravios.
Uroktor, but not Agnaktor.
Daimyo Hermitaur, but no Monoblos (the skull it wears).
Shogun Ceanataur, but no Gravios (the skull it wears).
Crimson Glow Valstrax, but no Valstrax. We got a variant of a monster not in the game, and with Risen Crimson Glow Valstrax, a variant of a variant of a monster not in the game.
We're also likely to get Fatalis still. the only time we didn't get Fatalis was in 3, where we instead had Dire Miralis.
Should have mentionned that, in 4th gen, their riding animation (and the part the damage is dealt to) changes after their back has been broken. It's something that (unless I'm forgetting someone) only they do, and it's a really fun nice way to diversify the riding mechanic.
Other than that, great vid, keep at it
i always loved basarios' armour sets, i wore the blademaster helmet waay past its useful range😂 gravios was always a surprisingly easy fight to me but i love their concept and execution- super menacing, but in a grumpy hippo sort of way, and i loved basarios' hiding strategy, even if ingame it became trivial to figure out which rock they were. i dont know what preyed on basarios, but having the junior form be able to hide while the adult can submerge in lava (im guessing basarios maybe couldnt do that because its shell isnt strong enough yet perhaps? i havent played 2nd gen in years) is a super fun feature that just makes it feel even more grounded as a fully realised animal.
I think akantor preys on basarios as it is shown in akantors cutscene in like 4u. I reckon other monsters that live in basarios’ habitats that can maybe also eat rocks or have good fire res prey on basarios too.
A neat thing about rise basarios is if he's digging and runs into a barrel bomb, it'll detonate and he'll be interrupted and be put into an animation similar to a pitfall trap
As a part breaker enjoyer Gravios is a gift, there are so many head, wings, back, legs and the belly that you can break twice in MH4U the back was my main target because of the fire blast after each lazer beams
And the belly mount animation was so good I mean you literraly stab the monster in the guts
I lowkey love basarios of all the grounded flying wyverns, even if fighting him in Rise is a bit tedious, I hope to see Gravios in a serious and immersive world styled game so I can marvel at its rocky majesty
Gravios is still to this day my favorite monster in the entire series. Fighting him in the swamp in the original game was such a blast, just slowly seeing him creep in through the mist.
I waited and waited for them to announce him in Monster Hunter World. I thought he would have been a guarantee to show up. How disappointed I was when he never arrived.
Me and 2 of my brothers did a 4U playthrough this year and one of our most memorable hunts was the G rank Black Gravios Key Quest. It was the first time I realised Gravios does a really good job of filling his Tank Wyvern niche in the roster.
I always liked how Gravios and Uragaan were tanks. Could we get a history of Akantor video since you've got his intro against Gravios here?
Perhaps in the future.
Mounting definitely improved both Basarios and Gravios, in fact they have unusually low mounting damage tolerance too, so there's plenty of opportunities to exploit their big size.
Don't know how people fought them in older gens though, trying to hit a gold crown Gravios sounds like a nightmare.
the best part about basarios is obviously when you put the armor set on your palico and crouch, and they become a little rock
I feel like Gravios and Basarios also emphasize another aspect of Monster Hunter's gameplay that isn't focused on much in the newer games; bouncing. In older games, there were tanks of monsters that had thick armor meant to deflect attacks, and it's a good way to teach you to focus on other parts.
Basarios was the starting class on it, and it taught you your attacks CAN bounce. Blademasters had to learn that attacking randomly was just going to make them vulnerable, and thus, they need to position themselves at a monster's weak point- that being Basarios' belly. Rise's changes to it definitely helped it give itself a beginner class, since it also introduces how hitzones can change mid-battle, and you should keep your eye out for them.
Gravios was the master class, though. Its whole body was tough as stone, so unless you had a high sharpness weapon, you weren't going to be able to break through it, and it acts as a solid wall to teach you higher sharpness is better. At the same time, it also rewards you with its part breaks for getting through its armor; its tail gives double the carves, breaking its legs and belly give better hitzones, and its back prevents gas from below. It teaches you about the mechanics of sharpness management and how impactful part breaks can be.
In modern Monster Hunter, most new monsters don't teach you about bouncing. All of them have bodies you can break through with green/blue sharpness without much worry. The closest thing we have in Sunbreak is Espinas, which is only temporary and is in G-Rank, making it less of a tutorial and more of a test.
It's why I feel like Basarios and Gravios should have more roles as this teacher, as well as be intimidating new monsters that aren't as tough as you might think them to be. I love these two for being so honking heavy, and I'm severely disappointed that Gravios didn't return for Rise/Sunbreak. Perhaps MH6 shall add them once more.
I love these videos ! long live monster hunter
When Gravios/Black Gravios will return, i would like them to have a super-charged laser (like in MHST2) that could 1 shot you. Honestly i kinda agree by the fact that they're not that horrible, in fact i kinda like Black Gravios, he's a literral Death Star Dragon, him doing plenty of lasers with his dark skin make him so threatening !
Lmao the Death Star comparison is too accurate.
Gravios to my knowledge is the only monster to have 2 different mounts, the normal back mount & the one where after you break his belly you can mount it.
i'd have loved it if his body break still caused the explosion to come from his back especially in Rise. in Rise i would have made a funny dynamic of sure you can do more damage but areal attacks on his back are more risky after the break. i would also love it if gravios lost the body heating up after attacks to further indicate him being better at using his abilities than basarios in a future game. Ruby Basarios introducing the stomp explosions is interesting since GU players would have thought it was a new Rise move while not knowing of the subspecies and i like that move. black gravios would also be awesome, more lazer variations and mixing his belly explosions in so he's not so vulnerable at close range if you bait him or he's shooting another player.
Basarios was the monster in 4u that ended my first attempt to get into monster hunter. I came back in generations and have been enjoying several different games (including going back to 4u) since then, but this guy will always catch an extra bit of ire from me.
One thing i noticed in GU was that if you break basarios or gravios back and then mount him you will mount his belly wich is nice but harder to mount punish him
Gravios was super memorable for me due to the many part breaks being impactful in the fight, beyond the standard tail cut. I wished Capcom leaned more into that attention to detail, but they have shied away from it in favor of hit the generated part/glowing bit for extra damage/topple. This is especially noticeable in Rise-Sunbreak where half the cast has it in some form (and many more if you include the anomaly monsters) and it homogenizes a lot of the fights, imo.
Really enjoy these videos. How much research do you put into them?
So what I do is look at how many games they're in, then play those respective games and write down what attacks they have. I'll ask around to check if I'm missing anything (Gravios can fire heat gas in MHG, Dos and FU but I didn't know), then I'll record footage. Sometimes it takes a while to get the monster to do one specific attack. The more games the monster is in and the more variations they have, the harder it is - this is why the Fatalis video is 30 minutes long.
Overall it takes a while but if I plan in advance it's not too hard.
funny thing is in freedom 1 gravios blast after his beam attacks doesnt even have the black smoke or rather any tell at all. he just blows up. big reason why i gun him in that game.
As a Gunlancer with (outside of Rise) low mobility, I nearly required Guard Up to fight Gravios. I HATED fighting it in 4U, and also GU until the Seltas Queen blessed me with the skill. I was genuinely looking forward to fighting it in Sunbreak with the enhanced mobility options, but... I guess it didn't make the cut.
Daaaamn what did you do to make the games look so good? 😳
I actually liked gravios
I wish he appeared in future games
I wasn't aware Basarios retained its boulder disguise ability in Rise. Maybe my memory is a bit spotty, though.
He only does it sometimes.
If they had brought Gravios into Rise or Sunbreak, I feel he could have been a great addition.
For sure!
The monster that turned me from a bladesmaster to a multiclass
With Rise being my first MH I liked Basarios a fair bit. Most of the mud/rock monsters were enjoyable for me (Barroth, Basarios, Almudron, etc) The clanking wasn't very enjoyable but I started playing GL so that became less of a problem. As for the Basarios misfiring the lazer beam, I always thought that was tied to stamina or from the monster using it too close back to back
In 4U G-rank, when Ruby Basarios would shake his back, the ruby shards would track your position. Made him less of a sitting duck against gunners.
It would be cool if there was a version that threw crystals and fire a lazer that if hit the crystal it would reflect the lazer in a different angle
I hate going melee on these things much like Uragaan. I prefer to pepper them with pellet shots or piercing. But they're pretty much easy to predict and understand since they are pretty straightforward fights.
Well, it's a boulder!
Spongebob: it's not just a boulder, it's a rock!
The rock:
I remember using the rusted kushala daora lbg against gravios in mh4u and people thought i was cheating because that thing shredded him lol
Basarios in Rise: Oh dumb de durr I'm a big punching bag that does roly polys!
Basarios in Sunbreak: oh hey! remember that rolling attack I did? Well how about I ROLL ACROSS THE ENTIRE ZONE!
I was wondering why u didnt include a armor evolution in every monster, the last time u include it was on royal ludroth
Another peculiar thing about Gravios not being included in Rise so far is that Shogun Ceanataur can still get a Gravios skull as a shell every so often. With these thing alluding so much to Gravios, it really makes me wonder why they've chosen to not include him into the game
The best way to deal with them is pierce lbg, with slash ammo if you really want the tail. That being said, basrios tail is comically small(and extremely hard to sever)
I'm very sure both have slam attacks where they fly up and slam down, but Basarios sometimes fails and just flies back down.
Favorite fight I had with one of these had to be LBG vs LR Black Gravios in FU. For such a powerful monster, it's a really stupidly easy fight. I wasn't exactly a fan of gen 4 Basarios, and Gravios always had some weird stuff going on. Also Gravios in any game always had the issue of being so big, it's hard to tell what he's doing when you are next to him. I still like him a lot, and it was a shame that we didn't get Gravios in Rise/Sunbreak, would have been cool to fight such a huge monster in such large maps and with so much mobility for the player.
basarios is my favorite monster
i remember those times when i had to hit all the rocks to assure which one is Basarios
I miss gravios even though I know I'd be frustrated to fight it most of the time. I guess I'm being nostalgic here though
Gravios is an absolute pain in the ass for blademasters in 1st and 2nd gen but the updates they gave him in 4th gen are awesome, and I really like fighting him. I find the amount of breaks he has to be satisfying, and it really helps ease up the fight for people who don't want to use guns against him, while still maintaining the point of his design (to be a giant tank with hard armor).
I personally find him way cooler than Uragaan, his effective "3rd gen replacement" and wish he'd come back.
Yeah, not a fan of Uragaan.
back in FU these guys always been a pain in the ass to deal with, long reaching weapon like lance and ls would hit their leg and bounce so i often use sns or db or just pierce/water gunning them
Wonder if Gravios will come as one of the updates ?
Doubt it.
Grab a LBG that shoots all lvl's of piece ammo, and they both crumble
At this point in Rise/Sunbreak, it really makes no sense that Gravios is not in the game. not just because of what you covered in the video, but also because Shogun Ceanataur is in the game. It's LITERALLY using Gravios's skull as a shell. Same thing with Monoblos and Daimyo Hermitaur.
When it comes to these two Wyverns, I like Basarios a lot more. I primarily like it for its design, with the rocks on its back allowing it to blend with the environment being a neat niche (and good for a laugh in the Stories games).
Gravios is more meh to me. I'm not fond of its huge size, as it makes it tends to take up much if the screen, kinda like Gammoth. And there's the sleep gas... I'd rather be burned or poisoned.
As much as I'd curse it, I kind of miss Gravios. Really wonder how it would interact with the Rise and Sunbreak mechanics.
But I do agree that Gravios is overall better than Basarios. For the simple reason that it has more attackable surface area. The leg breaking also helps and I generally prefer the more mature moveset once you have hunted two or three. Black Gravios would be an absolute menace though.
Do we know if Black Gravios is the analogue to Black Diablos?
I think most Gen1 subspecies are like Black Diablos. Not in the sense they're girls, but that they went through a change in their lifetimes and weren't born like that.
Do glavanis
I made the mistake of using Alchemy Dual Blades against Gravios and it mentally scarred me.
I mean technically in the same monster just different stages of life so if you like one you have to like the other
As someone who has only played 5th gen games, I can't speak on gravios but after I understood basarios's heating up mechanic, he was a total pushover to be honest.
I feel Gravios just like Gammoth, is too big for the 5th gen environment design.
And tbh if slim passageways between areas and uneven terrain are gonna prevent us from getting giant wyverns and larger leviathans. I'd rather they give up on the open maps than these great monsters.
Ah yes. The monsters that taught me to abuse the hell out of insect glaive mounting in mh4u.
Yeah mounting Gravios twice breaks his back, it's a bit too overpowered haha.
basarios is a mine.
I actually hate both of these Wyverns, Basarios is Rise has a moveset full of time-wasting attacks - charge, dig, roll, poison/blast gas, where you can't do anything but wait. and Gravios I hate because of childhood trauma from the Unite Black Gravios quest lol
As someone who's only played world and rise, firstly I really don't like the icon for Basarios, it looks like a sand diving wyrm, not a flying wyvern covered in rocks. The actual fight is okay, but overall a fairly middling or even boring monster in rise. 10 times rather fight Raknakadaki for something in a similar difficulty range
The icon is a stone with eyes lol, definitely one of the weirder icons.
while I did appreaciate gravios as a relatively easy fight later on, I did not like him when I first had to take him and his subspecies down. While I agree it feels rewarding to finally break through that bastards hide and beat the everwood living fork out of him, some of his moves feel like they are just there to waste my time. as a sns main, I hated fighting this monster in the caravan and gathering hall quests, because it feels like you get punished for existing near the monster, and it becomes especially apparant if you encounter one that you dont want to hunt in an expidition hunting for guild quests. as a sns main I only have one spot I can attack the monster from and I always get spammed with gas, tail swipes, charges, and rolls. Trying to avoid this bugger isnt much better either, since he will be 100 meters from your location, and approaching rapidly, and/or spamming spreading beams at you. All you need to do though is get a water sns though and the guy becomes a total joke, other than the fact of you will lose at least a fourth of your whetstones trying to prevent bouncing, but man is it annoying when I'm trying for an oroshi kirin quest and a regular gravios just decides to pop in for no reason to cause the monster I'm hunting to leave like 10 different times.
Aahh yes Gravois, nothing quite like your first time hunting this thing back in 4u.
Still one of the most infuriating fights in my 11 years of experience to this day and I agree with you. Challenging and fun. Basarios was an alright monster and rises overhaul was great but it feels weird without gravios. Hope he returns in the next game. Would be funny if basarios was not in that game. Ruby Basarios is by far the most forgettable monster in the franchise. I remember nothing of it. Black gravios on the other hand is black diablos done better for me.
Monster hunter taught me that fighting rocks is not fun. Nothing that anyone’s says can convince me otherwise.
I will always hate Gravios, purely because of the G rank 2 black Gravios quest in freedom unite, I could solo G Fatalis but couldn't beat 2 farting rocks
Gravios
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I absolutely despise black gravios in 4u. Literally anti greatsword. So much rage.
He's a bit difficult yeah, especially because you need guard up for the heat blasts.
I dread fighting gravios in every single game, especially GU
gravios in mhfu was pretty easy.
the death stench armor set came with the fencing skill that prevented bouncing.
that combined with the white monoblos long sword made short work of any gravios.
Or seregios
More creative than Rathalos
Next monster: pickle
It's a different kind of pickle... if you know what I mean...
i first experienced gravios in 4u after playing rise and feeling like basarios was just kind of a forgetable early game monster. But honestly i way prefer basarios being a bit easy over every version of bas/gravios making me annoyed every time i see them
Testsucabra , great jagras , and gravios smh. Leviathins but no laggy. I adore sunbreak. But why you do my bois wrong mh team.
Love and hate gravios especially when you finally broke the shell , hate because this monster is tanky as hell
Rise Basarios in the Desert was also sand colored. This Video feels less orderly, its a shame. There are many smaller details you could have pointed out, like whit Rubys Moveset.
I think i don't prefer either of them ~ They don't qualify as monster hunter material and being SLOW as fk is boring if not anything. I guess not all monster hunter monsters land in creativity department. Gravios which i haven't seen or played looks identical to Rathain + rocks.. As a Character modeler i know how easy it is to simply copy paste and move few polygons to make it different
I don’t like either. Both are boring and Basarios is especially boring in rise as the game is supposed to be fast paced but basarios says no. Also I think giving him sleep and poison attacks feels out of place like they were just slapped on to him last minute. I think