If you buy one in the next 15 minutes they'll send you a second pistol completely free! That's $10,000 of value for just $5000 thanks to this exclusive InRangeTV offer!
@@Murphy82nd Other channels HAVE covered it, but MOST simply buy the hype and ignore the fact that it's stupid expensive. InRange is one of the very few that will say "Yeah, it's cool. Yes, it works. No, you don't need one at $5,000 (repeat, $5,000)."
Constantly flashing "$5000 USD" is hilarious; if you had superimposed Home Shopping Network graphics onto the screen I would have fallen off my chair. I do get the sense that this pistol may become a fixture on InRange in the future following exposure at SHOT a la the Hudson H9 and MDR...
epl803 - only the first 500 of these pistols cost 5 grand. The guns with serial number above 500 will be priced lower. How low? It's not mentioned yet. But, it's a neat concept I would say
@VA BEAR - so not much of a difference then. Let's hope the price would be lower. Honestly speaking, this whole signature edition sound like a videogame
That actually makes sense (the IPSC shooters market part) since "alien" is a term commonly used to describe somebody with remarkable proficiency in a sport or game that requires speed, precision, and accuracy. The term originates in sim racing circles (I believe) to describe a driver who can drive a perfect lap and then some.
Compared to a custom 2011 for standard or open, the price isn’t too bad. In Australia, I know a bloke who I think is in B grade, who spent the equivalent of 8,500 USD on an open gun. AND it took two years to build. I heard some rumours laugo was trying to get production optics approved? But someone pointed out that requires a SLIDE mounted optic
I agree, from a price point perspective but their is still a problem. Optic is not slide mounted, so it's not a carry optics gun (the division which is essentially open for poor people - and this gun isn't for poors). And it's not really able to compete with 2011s for Open division. So what's left? Limited maybe, but 2011s still rule the world there too.
Thomas A they are actively designing a version that mounts the optic to the slide. It’s a shame because not having the optic move is one of its great design features. They have to deliberately make it worse to make it competition legal. How ass backwards is that?
Its not the action that makes this pistol expensive. As mentioned in the video gas delayed pitols have been around for some time in both the HK P7 and the Steyr GB. The high price is probably down to low volume of production and high levels of craftsmanship. However this pistol has potential and I'd like to see a more pedestrian execution of the design in the future.
Or they'll be out of business because everybody waited 10 years to buy one, you know, one or the other. I hope you're right though. That would be nice.
They'll announce it, hype it, delay it, hype it more, delay it again, and it'll eventually become vaporware like the PSA-5 that's been "coming out no later than the end of this year" for three years. That being said, if they surprise us all and actually make them, I'll take two.
The “standard” version won’t be $5000. At the end of the year they will sell just the gun with probably 3 mags for much less. Maybe around $3000 I’d bet. Still very expensive but not so bad for serious competitive shooters.
That won't happen because this can't be integrated into a $500 pistol and the improvement is not worth it for "affordable firearms". This isn't a case of now everyone has smartphones. This is overly complex technology for boutique firearms.
@@ThisNewHandleSystemSucks for a properly built 2011 it is. But I'm sure you know all about the r&d, manufacturing costs, labor, storage, distribution, marketing, and licensing costs needed profit off of making them and calculated that into your assessment.
@cody sonnet oh, ok.. pretty sure people in that area feed off each other's ideas tho being so close to each other. As a person who's ethnically German myself I respect the ingenuity that comes from Czech rep.
It's "Leck mich im Arsch", but I do appreciate the Mozart reference. H&K didn't invent gas delayed blowback by the by, that was Kurt Horn with the Grossfuss Sturmgewehr when working for the Großfuß factory.
They are building them as a competition gun so course they do have competition prices 5 Grand is kind of where most people expect this type of gun to be sadly it's Out Of Reach for the average shooter
@Stefano Dawg it's a competition gun if its not for you then why buy it and if your mom is controlling your finances you shouldn't be buying any firearms period they are not toys for your amusement
Paul Davies LOL, Who lets they’re mom tell them what to spend money on? I would get one of these pistols tho but my dad almost kicked me out when I bought a golden Desert Eagle last month 😔
Well, Laugo's Scorpion was also roller-delayed, so it was nicer, more complicated, and more expensive than CZ's final Scorpion. I'd be afraid that selling the Alien would lead to a similar outcome.
Dominik Vranka It is because larger companies are fully established with all the tools and supply chains available. This means fixed setup costs are not passed on to the consumer. Then you have economy of scale, the more you pump out the cheaper each unit is. Hence the overall costs should dramatically decrease.
@@coolsenjoyer clipping is a video game/video effects term which refers to when an object goes through another and it was clearly what was being refered to. he isnt calling a magazine a clip, besides you would know a clip is a real widely used thing if you were a "true gun fan" ex: stripper/en-bloc/moon clips to load internal/external magazines or revolver cilinders.
That looks like a super nice gun to shoot, but I can't drop 5k on one. When this thing was taken apart I was very very interested, would like some more video when not in the range of possible, looks cool Edit, to those who keep saying "this cost more than a Cabot or a Wilson Combat", please remember the 1911 has been around for over 100 years and not much has changed, this is a much more radical and modern day development of a handgun vs the same old song and dance
Watching Ian's content for years clearly gave me a taste for peculiarities. The moment I saw that top-mounted hammer, I audibly squealed with joy. Also, didn't realize the manufacturers were Czech until you mentioned. I sometimes drive around the gunshop where the company is based and never thought anything of it :D Since those are the guys behind the Scorpion EVO, its hardly a surprise that the gun runs great. The only odd thing is, I can't figure out where they manufacture...
Any problems with it getting hot? My p7 only goes a couple of mags in the summer before I need to let it cool. Great winter gun, built in hand warmers.
Mr. Mixy I have a couple Firearms riding on the $5000+/- Line, it's really not hard to get there with Optics, etc. Sako TRG-42 w/ custom Mount & Tract Torric Scope, Atlas Bipod, Terminator Brake...Sig 716 DMR, B&T TP9, Daniel Defense MK18 w/ Trijicon ACOG + RMR, Savage LE TR10 in Cadex Chassis w/ Area 419 Goodies........A Handgun though? I think my HK's are high enough. I do want a Wilson Combat I've been Eyeing a while though. Spend some Money on Training before you get better Toys.
@None of your Business 337 I'm saying I couldn't muster the 5k to buy it in the first place, lol. Even if some windfall of money came my way, I have some other things I should spend it on before considering it as fun money!
Great video! One of the neat things of this pistol is the top strap, which they have two models, one with iron sights and one with the optic, making very convenient to switch, without having to switch the whole slide
Any thoughts on the safety problems with a light single action trigger and no thumb or grip safety? It's got the glock style trigger lever but that's all. I'm not sure about a 2# "Glock" trigger in any application other than range fun or competition.
Thanks for the tear down and explanation. Quite an innovative package. The slide setup reminds me of the S&W 41. Sadly well out of my comfort zone, price wise.
@@jayzenitram9621 Plus, Ian and Karl have a strong reputation among the SHOT vendors. Having the confidence to let them really poke around the guts of your new pistol is a strong vote of confidence.
Yeah, I was wondering about how ti stacked up against the H9. Ian and Karl seemed a little more effusive in their praise than they were of the Hudson (though they did like the Hudson a lot). But given that this is 4x the price of a Hudson it damn well better do a little more. Now to see if it goes the same way as the H9.
As Carl said, the Alien's innovations will eventually be appropriated by the larger scale manufactures. Then we'll have something similar at a reasonable price. What's cool is how much will the Alien affect the pistol industries designs in the years to come.
Interesting combination of pre-existing features. Like Ian, I have a 1980’s PSP P7, and we’ve seen that style of slide on .22’s of the past. Are they hand building these? We know Tesla targeted the high dollar low volume market before he could mass produce, but... If they can mass produce this at 1/5 the price, maybe. But I don’t see this going far.
Sometimes you see a new design and you go, why has this not done before? it's so logical. 2: would this be a good service pistol if mass manufactured, and what would have to change besides the price? 3: How much more accurate and or faster is it?
I got my alien about 3 months ago and I have to say I won't give the pistol back! I have several very good pistols e.g. the Sig Sauer X-6 Supermatch and the Alien is at least on the same level, if not slightly above it. The technical properties are really very good, the heat development is slightly more than with the Sig Sauer and not really a problem. The Alien is delivered with a trigger weight of approx. 1.5 kg and since the spring and hammer are in the exchangeable upper rail, you cannot change this yourself. I ordered 2 upper rails with a pull-off weight of 1.0 kg. Now the already good print is perfect. I am really happy with the gun !!! Greetings DUDE
I don't believe they're individually hand-fitted, the focus seems to be on maintaining extremely consistent manufacturing tolerances. In another video I watched the rep mentioned that top straps can be swapped out, different straps for one gun or one strap between different guns, and it'll supposedly hold zero in both situations, something I don't think would be possible if the guns were hand-fitted.
I hope some day we can look back on this as an ancestor of the new standard. Obviously $5000 is too much for the common people, but maybe some of our grandchildren will own the glock equivalent of this.
If your quality control is high enough with true precision manufacturing then hand fitting is redundant. Everything already fits precisely. How it will react to dust, dirt, sand, mud and changes of temperature I don't know. That depends.
Finally potential most superior optics mounting platform. Non reciprocating top means a flattop pic rail and no more dumb loctite set screws into slide.
It’s built extremely similar to the S&W 422/622 line of rimfires. (My favorite .22 pistol) Low Bore axis at the bottom of the slide, minimized reciprocating mass. I’m super intrigued.
Two additional mags $200, optic $400, signature $200, second rail $400, hardcase $50, collectible appreciation $200. That's a fair $1450 in extras. So the gun and two mags would be $3,550 without the extras. You could easily make it $3,499 to improve the feels.
I really like it. I like the idea of a small manufacturer of high quality novel guns. The price is high but it is not out of reach for a regular person who really wants one. I reckon this is one of those guns were if you really want it but don't like the price you should buy it straight away. You will save money from all the guns you would have bought to scratch the itch by buying it now.
A lot of us are talking about this gun. The amount of innovation in its design is well deserving of respect. Unfortunately, the price makes it unaffordable for most of us.
At the time I own a LP08 Luger and a CZ75 SP01. I am only allowed to own 2 pistols here in Germany. I am not sure which of my both pistol, which I both really like, should I sell to buy myself an Alien.
Best thing that could happen for all us guys lusting over one but not at that price point is for CZ to buy them out and dramatically increase production efficiency and volume and reduce costs. Get that thing down to under $2000 retail and sell as many as they can pump out. I’d have a deposit in right now at 2 Grand.
seems real nice but some of the parts like the trigger plunger and connecting bar seem really delicate, I wonder how this system stands up to abuse, sand and wear. I would hate take it apart for maintenance and bend or break some of the thinner parts
Seems the trigger design is the other innovative part of this pistol. Still trying to understand how it works, especially the reset. It does seem to lack a lot of the complexity of standard trigger systems. Thanks Ian for at least touching on it.
The Walther CCP has a similar looking gas delayed piston system albeit in a more conventional layout. I find it to be very soft shooting which is exactly what Walther intended for this midsize 9 mm pistol.
It’s extremely interesting to see that people perceive hand build associated with high quality. Nothing is further from the truth. I love the innovation, but I’m struggling to see the value in “perceived” performance. If I am looking to enhance my shooting performance, then I would take a course with Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics. Afterwards I would be able to shot any pistol and get to keep a ton of cash in my pocket.
Its small company here in Czech Republic, just a few people working on them and its not even close to any possible larger scale production. Even the price is high, there is waiting list for it and demand is much larger than production. Its like... buying a Ferrari of firearms market. :)
Am I the only one looking at that low-slide/high-grip and thinking slide bite is a very real worry? But as a double-stack, single action, fixed-barrel / fixed sight, low bore pistol, that will likely find a good home in high-end competition shooting circles.
They've been trying to push this gun to the competition market (which will pay a premium for any advantage), but it's not (currently) legal for production or carry optics division in either USPSA or IPSC. And I really doubt it will ever be a USPSA production legal gun due to minimum production requirement (2000 units) and it's a single action hammer fired gun (explicitly banned in production). Carry optics is out as well as it has to be a production legal pistol. The optic mount is not legal for USPSA as it is connected to the frame (although on a removable component), not to the reciprocating slide as mandated in the rules. Could use it in USPSA limited, but not in 9mm, needs to be 40 S&W to be competitive. Expensive toy at this point.
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Man, if it was $4,999.95 I would be all over it.
Price is firm. They know what they got.
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I'll loan you $0.05 if you let me shoot it!
I’d pay maybe 699.95 for it. I could give 0 shits about it at $5,000
You guys really do cover the best innovation at Shot Show every year. Hands down the best channel for it.
While I don't disagree, other channels have covered this pistol as well.
Jon Long I agree and they don’t waste my time on the less interesting and less innovative items that most channels cover.
@@Murphy82nd Other channels HAVE covered it, but MOST simply buy the hype and ignore the fact that it's stupid expensive. InRange is one of the very few that will say "Yeah, it's cool. Yes, it works. No, you don't need one at $5,000 (repeat, $5,000)."
@@Murphy82nd yeah but the other channels didn't make WWSD (⌐■_■)
Don't forget about the shitposting on products that do not need to exist
Constantly flashing "$5000 USD" is hilarious; if you had superimposed Home Shopping Network graphics onto the screen I would have fallen off my chair. I do get the sense that this pistol may become a fixture on InRange in the future following exposure at SHOT a la the Hudson H9 and MDR...
epl803 - only the first 500 of these pistols cost 5 grand. The guns with serial number above 500 will be priced lower. How low? It's not mentioned yet. But, it's a neat concept I would say
Buy now for 5000 and get everything in the box.
@@chrisspencer6502 "But wait....there's more!"
@VA BEAR - so not much of a difference then. Let's hope the price would be lower. Honestly speaking, this whole signature edition sound like a videogame
@@epl803 what pay more for
that magdump by Karl was pretty ludicrous.
ping ping ping ping ping ping ping
it really makes you realize how much better that thing is
The Machine that goes Ping.
Nothing but hit markers
Was that 25 yards do you think?
I guess a pistol like this wouldn't be outrageously overpriced for some professional IPSC competitor, which is probably their market.
Yea that's a weeks worth of ammo.
That actually makes sense (the IPSC shooters market part) since "alien" is a term commonly used to describe somebody with remarkable proficiency in a sport or game that requires speed, precision, and accuracy. The term originates in sim racing circles (I believe) to describe a driver who can drive a perfect lap and then some.
Compared to a custom 2011 for standard or open, the price isn’t too bad.
In Australia, I know a bloke who I think is in B grade, who spent the equivalent of 8,500 USD on an open gun. AND it took two years to build.
I heard some rumours laugo was trying to get production optics approved? But someone pointed out that requires a SLIDE mounted optic
I agree, from a price point perspective but their is still a problem. Optic is not slide mounted, so it's not a carry optics gun (the division which is essentially open for poor people - and this gun isn't for poors). And it's not really able to compete with 2011s for Open division. So what's left? Limited maybe, but 2011s still rule the world there too.
Thomas A they are actively designing a version that mounts the optic to the slide. It’s a shame because not having the optic move is one of its great design features. They have to deliberately make it worse to make it competition legal. How ass backwards is that?
Coming soon to a Weyland-Yutani dealer near you!
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diamondflaw, goodone!
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Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen!
@Carlos Danger Alien, the movies.
Everything is expensive when it first comes out; give it 10 years and we’ll all have Taurus gas operated handguns
Its not the action that makes this pistol expensive. As mentioned in the video gas delayed pitols have been around for some time in both the HK P7 and the Steyr GB. The high price is probably down to low volume of production and high levels of craftsmanship. However this pistol has potential and I'd like to see a more pedestrian execution of the design in the future.
Says everyone still waiting to buy an fn 5.7
Or they'll be out of business because everybody waited 10 years to buy one, you know, one or the other. I hope you're right though. That would be nice.
@@loerber The way they've been pushing it, you must be aware of the Ruger 57
@@loerber Ruger has thaat covered with the Ruger 57...
Paging PSA’s clone lab . . . 😄
Yes!!!!!! Freedom Clone Labs
They been busy this year, maybe we can get this next year hahahaha
Next year they'll release the PSA Predator $700 copy!
Let's hope!! Then we'll see wave of morons shouting "It's Junk!" because they overpaid lol.
They'll announce it, hype it, delay it, hype it more, delay it again, and it'll eventually become vaporware like the PSA-5 that's been "coming out no later than the end of this year" for three years. That being said, if they surprise us all and actually make them, I'll take two.
An InRange SHOT show video that's longer than 30 seconds? Must be a decent product.
That's because Ian embedded his future Forgotten Weapons video on this in there.
Not always lol
@@Rltvader1 what ever it is it will be interesting
I’m excited for this technology to be integrated into affordable firearms, not just $5k race guns.
I'll give Hi-Point a year, and Kel-Tec two, to pop out funnies of it.
The “standard” version won’t be $5000. At the end of the year they will sell just the gun with probably 3 mags for much less. Maybe around $3000 I’d bet. Still very expensive but not so bad for serious competitive shooters.
If it does hahaha
That won't happen because this can't be integrated into a $500 pistol and the improvement is not worth it for "affordable firearms". This isn't a case of now everyone has smartphones. This is overly complex technology for boutique firearms.
At least it isn't a $5000 1911 design like the STI.
Bruh you can get an optic ready STI 2011 for $2500~
I’d rather buy a Mac10
@@GretchentheAlligator are you sure about that
@@NPS69 as if that's a respectable price
@@ThisNewHandleSystemSucks for a properly built 2011 it is. But I'm sure you know all about the r&d, manufacturing costs, labor, storage, distribution, marketing, and licensing costs needed profit off of making them and calculated that into your assessment.
You know it’s gotta be nice to get the Ian giggle and “there’s a there there”
The findings from Area 51 has started to emerge
Czech Republic, the area 51 of firearms world
Well we know about it for about circa 2 years
@cody sonnet salty?
@cody sonnet oh, ok.. pretty sure people in that area feed off each other's ideas tho being so close to each other. As a person who's ethnically German myself I respect the ingenuity that comes from Czech rep.
Aged like milk
Best of luck to the manufacturer in getting the costs down somewhere reasonable! :- )
Karl: "wow delayed gas blowback is for real"
HK: "leck mich I'm arsch"
It's "Leck mich im Arsch", but I do appreciate the Mozart reference.
H&K didn't invent gas delayed blowback by the by, that was Kurt Horn with the Grossfuss Sturmgewehr when working for the Großfuß factory.
@@nextlifeonearth they probably typed this on a phone, it would auto correct.
I have to admit that it's an impressive piece of design and looks well executed. Let's applaud them for the innovation.
I was falling in luv with the Alien.... and then yall mentioned the price... holy moly... it looks nice but not that nice ;)
R&D costs alot
They are building them as a competition gun so course they do have competition prices 5 Grand is kind of where most people expect this type of gun to be sadly it's Out Of Reach for the average shooter
@Stefano Dawg it's a competition gun if its not for you then why buy it and if your mom is controlling your finances you shouldn't be buying any firearms period they are not toys for your amusement
Paul Davies I’m pretty sure he’s making a joke.
Paul Davies LOL, Who lets they’re mom tell them what to spend money on? I would get one of these pistols tho but my dad almost kicked me out when I bought a golden Desert Eagle last month 😔
"Only" 3250€ here in Finland, that's about $3600. Get it for the next Finnish Brutality and use it at the match.
Yes but that's without the optics, holsters, extra mags etc. It's over 5k€ here also with the package they are talking about.
@@foleymaj Yeah I noticed that after posting
The designers at Laugo developed and sold the Scorpion Evo design to CZ, hopefully the same might happen with this pistol.
Well, Laugo's Scorpion was also roller-delayed, so it was nicer, more complicated, and more expensive than CZ's final Scorpion. I'd be afraid that selling the Alien would lead to a similar outcome.
@@0dayExploit The scorpion is always the same mechanically, the biggest changes took place on the frame, what is just a piece of cheap plastic ...
@@ryanpeck3377 I do not know where it comes from exactly that it takes to believe that a large company must necessarily be cheaper
Dominik Vranka
It is because larger companies are fully established with all the tools and supply chains available. This means fixed setup costs are not passed on to the consumer. Then you have economy of scale, the more you pump out the cheaper each unit is. Hence the overall costs should dramatically decrease.
For a moment I thought the slide was clipping through your hands. Seriously, what a cool scifi, video game gun.
@@Halal_Dan whats the problem here?
@@coolsenjoyer clipping is a video game/video effects term which refers to when an object goes through another and it was clearly what was being refered to.
he isnt calling a magazine a clip, besides you would know a clip is a real widely used thing if you were a "true gun fan" ex: stripper/en-bloc/moon clips to load internal/external magazines or revolver cilinders.
DirtyDan clipping, not a clip. Clipping is a computer 3D design thing where two objects go through each other.
@@Halal_Dan ok aleks
@@Halal_Dan sorry bro, ily
I like the hammer design. Interesting idea!
That looks like a super nice gun to shoot, but I can't drop 5k on one.
When this thing was taken apart I was very very interested, would like some more video when not in the range of possible, looks cool
Edit, to those who keep saying "this cost more than a Cabot or a Wilson Combat", please remember the 1911 has been around for over 100 years and not much has changed, this is a much more radical and modern day development of a handgun vs the same old song and dance
Looks fantastic! Let me know when someone releases a similar product with the cost reduced by 75-80%
How low is the recoil really, could this thing finally be a pistol platform that could implement useful burst fire?
Probably could, yes.
I believe that gun in 5.7mm and with a muzzle break could have zero felt recoil.
Definitely looks cool. Looks like something from Cyberpunk 2077.
Watching Ian's content for years clearly gave me a taste for peculiarities. The moment I saw that top-mounted hammer, I audibly squealed with joy.
Also, didn't realize the manufacturers were Czech until you mentioned. I sometimes drive around the gunshop where the company is based and never thought anything of it :D Since those are the guys behind the Scorpion EVO, its hardly a surprise that the gun runs great. The only odd thing is, I can't figure out where they manufacture...
Any problems with it getting hot? My p7 only goes a couple of mags in the summer before I need to let it cool. Great winter gun, built in hand warmers.
It was great to talk to you about this pistol at Shot even cooler to see the footage.
Man, I don't think I would spend $5k on a rifle, let alone a handgun!
Maybe the FG-42.... yeah, no, I really want that reproduction gun.
Mr. Mixy I have a couple Firearms riding on the $5000+/- Line, it's really not hard to get there with Optics, etc. Sako TRG-42 w/ custom Mount & Tract Torric Scope, Atlas Bipod, Terminator Brake...Sig 716 DMR, B&T TP9, Daniel Defense MK18 w/ Trijicon ACOG + RMR, Savage LE TR10 in Cadex Chassis w/ Area 419 Goodies........A Handgun though? I think my HK's are high enough. I do want a Wilson Combat I've been Eyeing a while though. Spend some Money on Training before you get better Toys.
@None of your Business 337 I'm saying I couldn't muster the 5k to buy it in the first place, lol. Even if some windfall of money came my way, I have some other things I should spend it on before considering it as fun money!
Hey, if the company went bankrupt you probably can make it back in a -few- years
@@ridhosamudro2199 ah yes, the investors strategy!
Ian dressed as a French special agent from a spy movie, tres bon!
"we want to sell more of them. for $5,000" 😂😂😂 love you guys
Great video! One of the neat things of this pistol is the top strap, which they have two models, one with iron sights and one with the optic, making very convenient to switch, without having to switch the whole slide
Does it get hot like a H&K VP-9? The piston being above the barrel is an improvement
This is the kind of 2020 I need.
Any thoughts on the safety problems with a light single action trigger and no thumb or grip safety? It's got the glock style trigger lever but that's all. I'm not sure about a 2# "Glock" trigger in any application other than range fun or competition.
Man, Czech's always coming out with the awesome firearm czechnology
Seems like a good competition pistol. How is the zero affected by removing the top strap?
*checks wallet* 🕸🕸 just spiderwebs in there.
Two year old unused condoms fell out mine...
How does it compare to the Hudson?
Thanks for the tear down and explanation. Quite an innovative package. The slide setup reminds me of the S&W 41. Sadly well out of my comfort zone, price wise.
it was also kind of Laugo to let them do a tear down
@@MrTrilbe Kind? I'd say smart. Free advertising.
@@jayzenitram9621 Plus, Ian and Karl have a strong reputation among the SHOT vendors. Having the confidence to let them really poke around the guts of your new pistol is a strong vote of confidence.
Looks something right out of perfect dark
So, has this pistol managed to achieve the level of innovation and improved performance that the Hudson 9 was aiming for?
_Five grand?_
Ouch.
Some people suggested it's for competition shooting so I suppose it's for a more smaller niche?
@@ArcturusOTE it is, but I feel like this would be reeeeeally good for normal use too, pricing aside
Yeah, I was wondering about how ti stacked up against the H9. Ian and Karl seemed a little more effusive in their praise than they were of the Hudson (though they did like the Hudson a lot). But given that this is 4x the price of a Hudson it damn well better do a little more.
Now to see if it goes the same way as the H9.
As Carl said, the Alien's innovations will eventually be appropriated by the larger scale manufactures. Then we'll have something similar at a reasonable price. What's cool is how much will the Alien affect the pistol industries designs in the years to come.
Interesting combination of pre-existing features. Like Ian, I have a 1980’s PSP P7, and we’ve seen that style of slide on .22’s of the past. Are they hand building these? We know Tesla targeted the high dollar low volume market before he could mass produce, but... If they can mass produce this at 1/5 the price, maybe. But I don’t see this going far.
Sometimes you see a new design and you go, why has this not done before? it's so logical.
2: would this be a good service pistol if mass manufactured, and what would have to change besides the price?
3: How much more accurate and or faster is it?
Also looks like the iron sights do not reciprocate? Looks very nice!
Is that a Wilcox (NOD mount company), on the press badges? Are they a SHOT show sponsor.
I got my alien about 3 months ago and I have to say I won't give the pistol back! I have several very good pistols e.g. the Sig Sauer X-6 Supermatch and the Alien is at least on the same level, if not slightly above it. The technical properties are really very good, the heat development is slightly more than with the Sig Sauer and not really a problem. The Alien is delivered with a trigger weight of approx. 1.5 kg and since the spring and hammer are in the exchangeable upper rail, you cannot change this yourself. I ordered 2 upper rails with a pull-off weight of 1.0 kg. Now the already good print is perfect. I am really happy with the gun !!!
Greetings DUDE
How does the muzzle climb compare to the Hudson H9?
Is same as a strike one pistol ?
Damn, they really are from Trenčín! Town I was born in. I am actually proud on something my country did! Except the 5k price tag...
They should be proud of the 5k tag. How many people can outsell a 5k gun easily
Kámo to nedělali jenom slováci, ale společnš s čechy, takže je na ní nápis czechoslovakia.
I don't believe they're individually hand-fitted, the focus seems to be on maintaining extremely consistent manufacturing tolerances. In another video I watched the rep mentioned that top straps can be swapped out, different straps for one gun or one strap between different guns, and it'll supposedly hold zero in both situations, something I don't think would be possible if the guns were hand-fitted.
This little beauty and the HK p7 are straight up the best sidearms you could carry today
"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up." - Karl, SHOTShow 2020.
I hope some day we can look back on this as an ancestor of the new standard. Obviously $5000 is too much for the common people, but maybe some of our grandchildren will own the glock equivalent of this.
Taurus?
Ruger?
Hi-Point?
Diamond Back?
our grandchildren will have the glock equivalent of this in full-dive VR games because guns will be outlawed by then.
This system is way too fussy for genpop, imagine how badly it would fail the mud test. Oh wait...
@@Klovaneer wut
If your quality control is high enough with true precision manufacturing then hand fitting is redundant. Everything already fits precisely. How it will react to dust, dirt, sand, mud and changes of temperature I don't know. That depends.
Might influence other manufacturers to develop alternatives?
amazing gun but that trigger mechanism is a bit.... weird.... how its "feel" of it any ways to mess with it?
PSA you’re up!
what if they did an aluminum slide and steel frame? Thought the reduced weight on the top and increased weight on the bottom should help with control
Yes but does it come in a 5.7?
The US$ 5000 is the signature version with all accessories.
I thing it is gonna be a very collectible item in the near future.
Finally potential most superior optics mounting platform. Non reciprocating top means a flattop pic rail and no more dumb loctite set screws into slide.
Looking at some of the wear on the back of the frame there is a little worrying, i wonder how well this gun would actually last
Hm... This new pistol? Or an FG42?
Does it get hot like the p7
It’s built extremely similar to the S&W 422/622 line of rimfires. (My favorite .22 pistol) Low Bore axis at the bottom of the slide, minimized reciprocating mass. I’m super intrigued.
How dirty does it get and how quick does it get dark?
How much does it cost?
Two additional mags $200, optic $400, signature $200, second rail $400, hardcase $50, collectible appreciation $200. That's a fair $1450 in extras. So the gun and two mags would be $3,550 without the extras. You could easily make it $3,499 to improve the feels.
For half the price, 2500, they still can keep the quality and i believe it would sell very well. There is a lot of very deserved hype behind it.
Karl was scary with the dot. That was amazing shot to shot recovery.
I am excited to see everything I am seeing, but I am cautiously remember similar feelings with the Hudson H9
Is it 40 watt powerful? That would be a very nice addition to the issue space marine plasma rifle.
There's some special sauce, it's just very expensive sauce.
Omg! Actual innovation at Shot show
The US market let the HUDSON H9 die...
@@axp8598 but didnt they also have a bunch of quality control issues and still had customers guns when they shut down?
I really like it. I like the idea of a small manufacturer of high quality novel guns. The price is high but it is not out of reach for a regular person who really wants one. I reckon this is one of those guns were if you really want it but don't like the price you should buy it straight away. You will save money from all the guns you would have bought to scratch the itch by buying it now.
Alien VS Hudson 9... which is better and why? (not looking at cost/availability)
A lot of us are talking about this gun. The amount of innovation in its design is well deserving of respect. Unfortunately, the price makes it unaffordable for most of us.
Wow you both shot sooo much quicker than you normally do. The follow up shots is what convinced me this is serious.
At the time I own a LP08 Luger and a CZ75 SP01. I am only allowed to own 2 pistols here in Germany. I am not sure which of my both pistol, which I both really like, should I sell to buy myself an Alien.
Make a hunting licence and sell one of your kidney to buy this alien, and you can keep your beauties 😉
@@MlTGLIED I already have the Hunting License.
Best thing that could happen for all us guys lusting over one but not at that price point is for CZ to buy them out and dramatically increase production efficiency and volume and reduce costs. Get that thing down to under $2000 retail and sell as many as they can pump out. I’d have a deposit in right now at 2 Grand.
Karl, what brand is your jacket?
Ian and Karl is my favorite friendship ever
seems real nice but some of the parts like the trigger plunger and connecting bar seem really delicate, I wonder how this system stands up to abuse, sand and wear. I would hate take it apart for maintenance and bend or break some of the thinner parts
Seems the trigger design is the other innovative part of this pistol. Still trying to understand how it works, especially the reset. It does seem to lack a lot of the complexity of standard trigger systems. Thanks Ian for at least touching on it.
Karl are you going to tell us about your Lyft ride to the show with Mr. Ollam?
The Walther CCP has a similar looking gas delayed piston system albeit in a more conventional layout. I find it to be very soft shooting which is exactly what Walther intended for this midsize 9 mm pistol.
2 of these or a Barrett M107. Hmmm.
Why not all 3!
Berret would be a bitch on feeding costs...
You are going to need $$$ for Optics, and Ammo.
@@Len_M. well that goes for both of them
It’s extremely interesting to see that people perceive hand build associated with high quality. Nothing is further from the truth. I love the innovation, but I’m struggling to see the value in “perceived” performance. If I am looking to enhance my shooting performance, then I would take a course with Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics. Afterwards I would be able to shot any pistol and get to keep a ton of cash in my pocket.
This is the gun I thought y'all were talking about when you posted those videos with the facehuggers.
So, how much does it cost again?)
Ian's new channel "can't afford to get em" weapons
Its small company here in Czech Republic, just a few people working on them and its not even close to any possible larger scale production. Even the price is high, there is waiting list for it and demand is much larger than production. Its like... buying a Ferrari of firearms market. :)
The price is certainly out of this world.
Am I the only one looking at that low-slide/high-grip and thinking slide bite is a very real worry?
But as a double-stack, single action, fixed-barrel / fixed sight, low bore pistol, that will likely find a good home in high-end competition shooting circles.
They've been trying to push this gun to the competition market (which will pay a premium for any advantage), but it's not (currently) legal for production or carry optics division in either USPSA or IPSC. And I really doubt it will ever be a USPSA production legal gun due to minimum production requirement (2000 units) and it's a single action hammer fired gun (explicitly banned in production). Carry optics is out as well as it has to be a production legal pistol. The optic mount is not legal for USPSA as it is connected to the frame (although on a removable component), not to the reciprocating slide as mandated in the rules. Could use it in USPSA limited, but not in 9mm, needs to be 40 S&W to be competitive. Expensive toy at this point.
You just reminded me why I loathe those organizations - all the rules are made by fudds who've sold their soul to the gun manufacturers.
You guys shot my dream to pieces as fast as Karl hit that small steel using the red dot. Ouch, they are aiming for a small market. I wish them luck.
Ok seeing Karl doing it is outright spooky, imagine him doing it after getting more training
I feel like this gun demands to be in a action movie.