Who is Cirdan?

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  • @KomodoKebab
    @KomodoKebab หลายเดือนก่อน +539

    Can you imagine how warm a wlecome Cirdan must have recevied upon finally making good on his dream and reaching the undying lands. All those elves he helped get there, all there to celebrate his arrival. At least that's how I like to imagine it, the warmest of welcomes for one of the greatest people the world had seen.

    • @YarPirates-vy7iv
      @YarPirates-vy7iv หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      I like to think he was so old and set in his ways he just complained how his old place back in Middle Earth had a nicer view.

    • @georgeargon5113
      @georgeargon5113 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      What a touching take! The Tolkeins (father, son, and grandson) should have included that in the Appendixes.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      I always imagined the inhabitants of Valinor as greedily consuming any and all news from Endor(Middle-Earth), resulting in a veritable Hobbit fan-club awaiting their arrival by the time Bilbo and Frodo get there. Hell, I imagine Galadriel and Aule himself welcoming Gimli! Now I'm envisioning an entire cultural trend of welcoming new arrivals and constantly keeping tabs on who is arriving when. A constant stream of excitement among the populace.

    • @E3ECO
      @E3ECO หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Bummer that he missed seeing the light of the Two Trees.

    • @OhioCruffler
      @OhioCruffler หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@E3ECO But he also didn't carry the full grief of their loss. six of one...

  • @torontocitizen6802
    @torontocitizen6802 หลายเดือนก่อน +577

    Cirdan was one of the very best elves that has ever been written. The world needs more Cirdans. Be a Cirdan.

    • @lukesayers5850
      @lukesayers5850 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Preach.❤

    • @olixpatdo8181
      @olixpatdo8181 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Saruman won’t agree

    • @batatah
      @batatah หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love you

    • @Kanjo_Bazooie
      @Kanjo_Bazooie หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I. Am. Cirdan. (To the tune of I am Thundergun.)

    • @reallythatbad1
      @reallythatbad1 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I prefer Hermey, myself. He wanted to be a dentist.

  • @davekuzyk5740
    @davekuzyk5740 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    Something about the way you make these videos makes Tolkien's lore 100% more interesting. And that's sayin' a lot 😊.

  • @Wolfeson28
    @Wolfeson28 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    Cirdan's line when he gives Narya to Gandalf is so beautiful. As we've seen here, Cirdan knows better than anyone the burden of staying true to a difficult duty over hundreds or thousands of years, and I think he sees something of a kindred spirit in Gandalf. He likely recognized on some level that Gandalf feared Sauron - that fear and thus empathy with others' fear is exactly why Manwe wanted Gandalf to go, but it also meant that his heart would need rekindling over time and that Narya was best suited to support him. Narya thus helped Gandalf stay true to his difficult task over the rest of the Third Age, just as it helped him rekindle the hope and courage in others that they would need to hold true in the fight against Sauron. The particular traits of that specific ring synergized perfectly with Gandalf's personality and his methods in a way that it probably wouldn't with any of the other Istari.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re thinking too hard into a made up story dude

    • @Widdershins.
      @Widdershins. 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BarrackObamna All of life is a story. Every one of the billions of people who have lived, lived a story. We are formed, educated, and inspired by the stories we read, witness, and experience. The best thing we can do for ourselves is to think hard about the very best and most uplifting stories we encounter. It may be true that we are what we eat, physically speaking; but mentally, emotionally and spiritually we are what we read, hear, and allow into our minds and hearts. LofR is one of the best "foods for thought" we can ruminate over. You can't think too hard about courage, honor, virtue, and sacrifice...not if you ever hope to embody them yourself one day.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Widdershins. you’re thinking too hard into a made up story buddy.

    • @Widdershins.
      @Widdershins. 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BarrackObamna If it's a good and useful story, there's no such thing as thinking too hard about it. Wish you knew how to do it yourself. Oh well.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Widdershins. you’re thinking too hard into my comment pal

  • @andrewscoppetta4944
    @andrewscoppetta4944 หลายเดือนก่อน +253

    Last time I was this early, Eru Iluvatar was still working on his harmonies

    • @tylercooper1551
      @tylercooper1551 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      About the last time this shtick was actually relevant

    • @MCAPrince
      @MCAPrince หลายเดือนก่อน

      So halway to Círdan's birth

    • @ReganousTheGrey
      @ReganousTheGrey หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmao 🤣

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jesus this copypasta is worn out

  • @thatplant
    @thatplant หลายเดือนก่อน +265

    Cirdan: how the HELL did you guys lose the KING??
    Other elves:¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

    • @superslayerguy
      @superslayerguy หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      “Idk bruh”

    • @AllAhabNoMoby
      @AllAhabNoMoby หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      We have to assume Melian was hawt.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@AllAhabNoMoby "Spell of Enchantment" are the words used. Honestly... it seems to me Melian straight up just rufied him, gave him a power-up, and then just kinda went about her Lembas while he went about posturing. Unless I'm completely off-target, it seems Tolkien/Christopher left it a teeny tiny bit ambiguous...
      Just imagine her biting her lip as she sees the Children of Illuvatar the first time, in the vision, lol
      But she was probably hawt as sin, yeah...

    • @AllAhabNoMoby
      @AllAhabNoMoby หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Knight-In-Green She was a bit of a pedo as well I guess. 😂

    • @daniels7907
      @daniels7907 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@AllAhabNoMoby - The Ainur can change shape. Melian was as hawt as she wanted to be. Thingol never stood a chance.

  • @danoconnell1833
    @danoconnell1833 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I love the Tolkien lore but I will never be a scholar, so I am infinitely grateful to Robert and In Deep Geek for his gentle and insightful storytelling. Robert, you make it come alive for me. Thank you.

  • @saraha8219
    @saraha8219 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    Cirdan sounds a lot like a bodhisattva, desiring nirvana (the Undying Lands) but voluntarily remaining in samsara (Middle Earth) until he had helped the rest of the elves to escape.

    • @astrotter
      @astrotter หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I'd not thought of this before, but you're right. I wonder if Tolkien had that in mind, he would have certainly been acquainted with the concept.

    • @EventDogs
      @EventDogs หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I think as a Christian he would have been more familiar with the theme through the New Testament of the Bible that says Christians greatly desire to be in Heaven rather than Earth, but stay here to point the way for others to know Jesus and be able to go there too.

    • @Pfhorrest
      @Pfhorrest หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I had the exact same thought while watching this video!

    • @TheDoctorofOdoIsland
      @TheDoctorofOdoIsland หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@EventDogsYeah, Tolkien may have had in mind the story of the Beloved Disciple, when Jesus told Peter he would follow Him in martyrdom but John the Beloved would tarry on the Earth until the Second Coming.

    • @AmachiEligwe
      @AmachiEligwe หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@EventDogs probably had that in mind but I think Cirdan sounds more like a Bodhisattva than that, even tho by chance.

  • @sandyanarayanswami5708
    @sandyanarayanswami5708 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I have always loved Cirdan, for many of the reasons listed here by others, which I will not reiterate. Someone suggested he resembles a Bodhisattva. I am Indian and a lifelong JRRT fan, despite not being a Christian, so this idea resonates greatly with me. His words to Gandalf on his arrival in Middle-Earth are among my very favorites, for their sheer beauty, wisdom, humility, and selflessness.

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      He is like a Guru who sacrifices his own Nirvana to get others through their cycles , so they can reach it. And only when all is gone he too takes the "trip".

  • @osimarmedeiros
    @osimarmedeiros หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I like to think that for Cirdan, all of the Valar would personally greet him on the shores of the undying lands.
    Awesome video, as always.

    • @Karl.Jayce-DE
      @Karl.Jayce-DE หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    • @dromankass8655
      @dromankass8655 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And of all the Valar, Ulmo, Lord of the Waters, would be the most pleased to welcome this great mariner and shipwright into Valinor

  • @stevenstehling
    @stevenstehling หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Cirdan, Employee of the Month for thousands of consecutive years.

  • @Calvinosaur
    @Calvinosaur หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Círdan had a representative at the council of Elrond: Galdor of the Havens. This makes him one of the first people outside Rivendell to learn of the Fellowship and its quest.

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      He also sent Messengers to warn Orodreth of the coming disaster in Nargothrond, and on their way those same messengers sent helped Tuor escape Hithlum and sent him on his way to Gondolin.

    • @ethanfreel1222
      @ethanfreel1222 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dandiehm8414 was this the Dagor Bragorlach (I have no idea how to spell it)? The fourth battle, where almost everyone in Beleriand got wrecked by Morgoth?

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ethanfreel1222 No - this was after the Dagor Bragollach. It was actually about 20 years after the Fifth Battle (Nirnaeth Arnoediad)

  • @SeanSafford
    @SeanSafford หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What I love about Cirdan is that he is sort of the blue collar hero. He’s not nobility. He’s “old” but more importantly he is kind of grizzled (for an elf).

  • @scottbrickner4980
    @scottbrickner4980 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    In a world of Feanors, be a Cirdan.

    • @AndrewHepburn
      @AndrewHepburn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is my new favourite internet comment of all time

  • @scotthudson8722
    @scotthudson8722 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Huzzah! The passage where Cirdan passes the ring on to Mithransir gets me choked up every time

  • @mkazee9032
    @mkazee9032 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Your videos have greatly enhanced my understanding and appreciation of these stories. Thanks!

  • @Kitastroboy
    @Kitastroboy หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Simply wonderful. The way Robert mixes the history and lore with poetic insight and love for the characters is splendid.

  • @davelahoud1256
    @davelahoud1256 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Now that is a story worth telling. Can you imagine if this was put to film or long-form episodes.
    Thank you for shining the well deserved limelight onto Cirdan. A legend indeed.

    • @BeyondIntention
      @BeyondIntention หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It’s what we should have gotten, if someone who CARED had bought the rights.

  • @luciussakura5031
    @luciussakura5031 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Cirdan is honestly one of my favourite elves. I love that his important moments are (mostly) just quiet moments of duty and kindness.

  • @isomeme
    @isomeme หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I was brought up by an English father who instilled in me the certain knowledge that duty is sacred. I wept on first reading Cirdan's story, and I'm sniffling again right now. Thank you for this lovely tribute to the most admirable character in all of Tolkien's legendarium.

    • @dromankass8655
      @dromankass8655 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      'We farm these lands, guard these animals and beasts. We protect them and ordain the time of their births and the time of their deaths. Between those times, we have a Duty'
      - Granny Aching (a Shepherdess and Witch of the Chalk Hills in the book Wee Free Men by Terry Pratchett). A woman who took her duty seriously.

    • @isomeme
      @isomeme 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dromankass8655, perfect.

  • @jaykaramales3087
    @jaykaramales3087 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You've outdone yourself with this one Robert. You brought Cirdan alive for me in a way I never saw him before.

  • @NoahJohnson1981
    @NoahJohnson1981 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love how you highlight the core story of the legendarium, filtering out the dense irrelevancies that I can’t get past. You’re a true scholar Robert, thank you.

  • @brockn7878
    @brockn7878 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you.
    This is the single most important episode for my personal journey through Tolkien and Middle Earth.
    I was familiar with Most of the other characters and stories but this elves storyline hadnt really settled into my attention
    and it explains so much.
    Wonderful episode 👏

  • @jasN86
    @jasN86 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What an amazing video about one of the most underrated characters in the general lore. Thanks for creating and sharing!

    • @HansDester
      @HansDester หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly how is he underrated when everyone who is into LOTR loves the guy?

  • @68mlk
    @68mlk หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've enjoyed this so much, including the beautiful images. Cirdan is such an interesting character. Thanks!

  • @cavalierlady1033
    @cavalierlady1033 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Thank you so much for this wonderful video! Cirdan has always been one of my favorites. A sacrifice made for others for thousands of years --- I hope his arrival in the Undying Lands, finally, was as glorious as he had hoped for so long!

  • @ETHRON1
    @ETHRON1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I still say you should do an Audio-book reading of the books...i'ld buy them...even my wife enjoys listening to you, and that says alot..

  • @DrLicuid
    @DrLicuid หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I wonder if first-born elves staying in Aman grew beards by the time of Cirdan arriving there, or if stalled decay of undying lands helped them look younger. That might make Cirdan the only elf that ever managed to grow a beard and look his age.

  • @nikosmanarolis9962
    @nikosmanarolis9962 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Cirdan to me is the personification of showing loyalty to your duty ( or what you perceive as "your duty" ) despite your personal desires.
    Something extremely hard even for a short period of time , not to mention for centuries .... which is why i think people are in awe of him and the nobility of his character.
    Thankfully the new rings of power show seems to have portrayed him quite accurately in that regard. One of the highlights of the show certainly

    • @anatolydyatlov963
      @anatolydyatlov963 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      In the show, Sauron deceived everyone and actively helped in crafting the three elven rings. Elrond's suspicion and desire to destroy them was justified, given the unknown extent of Sauron's corrupting influence. Galadriel's assurance that "he didn't touch them, they're safe" carried little weight, considering her own suspected manipulation by Sauron.
      Despite these risks, the "old and wise" elf decided to keep and use one of the rings. This isn't wise, it's reckless. The ONE GUY who was introduced as "old and wise" immediately did something utterly stupid just a few scenes later. I don't think this is good portrayal.

    • @vintagesteel
      @vintagesteel หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If you consider yourself to be a true Tolkien fan, I wouldn't even consider watching the rings of power. It's trash and so disrespectful to Tolkien and his works. By the way Círdan didn't help for centuries, he did it for MILLENNIA.

    • @Tyresio12
      @Tyresio12 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To quote another British author: "Personal’s not the same as important".

    • @anatolydyatlov963
      @anatolydyatlov963 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vintagesteel To be fair, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, I've read the books, and even participated in some LARPs, but I've never treated the show as an adaptation. For me, it's always been just a fanfic, despite how Amazon decided to market it - I don't care what they say.
      With this approach, I enjoyed the first season, but the second... well, even if you treat it as something loosely inspired by Tolkien's writings, it's still hard to watch. There are simply too many inconsistencies and lazy narrative shortcuts. The one I mentioned above is just a small drop in a sea of absurd ideas that poison the show.

    • @thecpt6265
      @thecpt6265 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anatolydyatlov963 I'm sorry wasn't that basically what happened in the books? he didn't trust Annatar and objected to the rings and yet in the end he wore Narya

  • @SFMarcus
    @SFMarcus หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a moving and beautifully written video! And I always love the thoroughness of the lore that you collect and disperse.

    • @Karl.Jayce-DE
      @Karl.Jayce-DE หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lore is everything ❤

  • @ThatOneCoolGuy69420
    @ThatOneCoolGuy69420 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Love this content

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I love Tolkien for writing characters that let your imagination kick into gear and i like IDG for recognising and understanding this and combining insight with some truly beautiful artworks

  • @petergulmann7259
    @petergulmann7259 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Another great video! Thanks for making these awesome videos, Robert!

  • @SheosMan117
    @SheosMan117 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    6:50 He guided others to a treasure he could not possess.

  • @darkaxel1991
    @darkaxel1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Cirdan, Elrond, and Galadriel were using the power of the three to maintain their realms. Cirdan giving up his ring seems to be a recognition that the Age of Elves on Middle Earth was ending.

  • @hondadog-yo2sr
    @hondadog-yo2sr หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Robert's reading voice is right up there with the late great Sebastian Cabot. Those of a certain age will know...

  • @valcouren
    @valcouren หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cirdan and Fangorn have always been my two favorite characters in Middle Earth (with Galadriel pulling third) as they are the eldest of those bound to the fate of Middle Earth. Having been present for all the long ages from the age of stars through to the dominion of man. Such a long tale having forgotten more than most ever even saw in their entire lives.

  • @pissedoffhobbit974
    @pissedoffhobbit974 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My favorite and most overlooked character.

  • @cmoneill
    @cmoneill หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Easily just made Cirdan one of my favorite characters.

  • @lunafencoven
    @lunafencoven หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    In The Rings of Power, Gil-Galad feels like the general manager at Walmart, and Cirdan is that employee whose seniority surpasses the manager. He gets to do whatever he wants as long as he doesn't openly oppose the manager.

    • @ssl3546
      @ssl3546 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      how is that blasphemy of any relevamce here? are you also going to talk about what you ate for breakfast today?

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElder หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A true legend for sure. Good he lived long enough to see his dream (finally) come true. At least humans don't need thousands of years of patience to see that happen, not sure anyone would be willing to take on that role of dutifully helping everyone else live your dream for ages upon ages.

  • @MrKurtank
    @MrKurtank หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice one, Cirdan. A winning side always has someone like him.

  • @danielopoku-baah5644
    @danielopoku-baah5644 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Underrated might be a bit strong but Cirdan is up there with one of the best characters. This video made me really acknowledge how much he’s been through and appreciate how wise he was

  • @Prom591
    @Prom591 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For whatever reason, that one hit me right in the feels!

  • @gaminawulfsdottir3253
    @gaminawulfsdottir3253 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Of all the stories of Middle Earth, this may well be the most moving.

  • @charleslarrivee2908
    @charleslarrivee2908 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just wanna say, I really appreciate some of your...visual aids that you've included in this video 😊

  • @Nathan-vt1jz
    @Nathan-vt1jz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent content as usual. The world needs people with Cirdan’s servant attitude.

  • @locker1325
    @locker1325 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A legendary TH-cam channel telling stories of legendary people.

  • @shanechudzik8554
    @shanechudzik8554 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Cirdan's role strongly reminds me of the Buddhist Bodhisattava, or at least some versions of it, as a person who achieves the ability to ascend but does not so that they may stay behind to help teach others.

  • @elizabethford7263
    @elizabethford7263 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think his is the saddest story. A truly unsung hero to whom all elves owe so much but rarely know.

  • @stephanielash8270
    @stephanielash8270 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautifully told Robert. Thank you!

  • @VTPSTTU
    @VTPSTTU หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this and all of your other videos. You are an excellent creator.

  • @lunatickgeo
    @lunatickgeo หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember the first time I saw the name, Cirdan the Shipwright, the elf with a beard who makes the ships the elves use to sail to Valinor. I thought that he was "just" a craftsman who lived in the Grey Havens, like a game NPC with a store that you have to bring materials to to have your ship made 😅

  • @ahmadkhalid5819
    @ahmadkhalid5819 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Cirdan is very parent coded. Took upon a thankless mission and stayed on it for thousands of years, and made sure he didn't leave anyone behind ♥

  • @suecondon1685
    @suecondon1685 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've always liked Ben Daniels, he's a great actor, and he was well handsome when he played Tristan in the BBC's Merlin. Interesting backstory, thank you!

  • @georgeargon5113
    @georgeargon5113 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a wonderful study of a selfless character. Thank ypu

  • @istari0
    @istari0 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Círdan is a fascinating character and one that I wish we knew his story in greater detail. One minor note though, Sauron did not attack the Grey Havens out of fear of the Númenoreans. Sauron's armies had not broken through Gil-Galad's defenses at the river Lhûn before the fleet of the Númenoreans arrived and began destroying Sauron's armies. If the fleet had not shown up around that time, Sauron would have broken through and attacked the Havens.

  • @mboettcher349
    @mboettcher349 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These are always good, but this one, for me, was the best one you've done in awhile.

  • @uriustosh
    @uriustosh หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The Rings of Power casting of Cirdan and his acting is just perfect. Like he came off the pages, could not be better.

    • @kalan0chan
      @kalan0chan หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      There’s a lot to complain about in the series, but Ben Daniel’s’ casting is not among them.

    • @ArthurEld19
      @ArthurEld19 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It’s one of the few things they got right

    • @hrafnagu9243
      @hrafnagu9243 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Are you high? Maybe the casting is good but that's not Cirdan.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nice try, but I'm still not watching.

    • @cain7925
      @cain7925 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Still hot garbage 😂

  • @D2attemp
    @D2attemp หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Not gonna lie, Thingol abandoning Cirdan and his vassals at the Falas to the Orcs after Cirdan had spent so much time looking for him was a dick move

  • @beardsy1743
    @beardsy1743 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Robert! Amazing video as always.

  • @brettmuir5679
    @brettmuir5679 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cirdan has long been my favorite character in Middle Earth. I think of him in his long long search for Elwë his buddy from the beginning of time....and then remains to be the one on the Last Ship

  • @thelasonj
    @thelasonj หลายเดือนก่อน

    So beautiful. Thanks Geek. ❤

  • @mariocp
    @mariocp หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as usual, many thanks. Please consider doing one about Celeborn, we all know he's not just Galadriel's husband but I'd love to see your take on him. Cheers

  • @anne-marieconnolly7297
    @anne-marieconnolly7297 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant and insightful as always!

  • @jeyfromnowhere
    @jeyfromnowhere หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    So...he was...Shipwright the Shipwright?

    • @esquilax5563
      @esquilax5563 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Like Torpenhow Hill, AKA _Hill Hill Hill Hill_

    • @jeffeppenbach
      @jeffeppenbach หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@esquilax5563 Or like someone who's last name is... water-water.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Maybe he's so old and has fulfilled his role so dutifully, that the word is derived from his name? Maybe... by the time any of them needed a word for "Shipwright"(which I assume none of them did before they reached the western shores), Cirdan was already building ships? Or, at the least, when they were taught the craft; Cirdan was already building by the time the others got finished with their lessons lol

    • @danielreynolds6173
      @danielreynolds6173 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, that's wright.

  • @petermarschall2637
    @petermarschall2637 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Robert, big thanks for your videos!
    I noticed, that there is no video out there on the very important and extremely interesting topic of what if Aragorn took the one ring.
    I am frankly startled that those videos exist about Gandalf, Sauron or Saruman, but not about this great hero of our beloved story. It would be joy to your faithful viewers, if you put in that effort.
    But if you decide to record other videos, no one will begrudge you and just watch those joyfully!

  • @xina968
    @xina968 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Love Robert's videos!

    • @Christrulesall2
      @Christrulesall2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Robert has the perfect ASMR nighttime voice. He could put a lion to sleep.

  • @seacucumberable
    @seacucumberable หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bless this channel

  • @worker-wf2em
    @worker-wf2em หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Given Tolkien’s staunch Christian background and the influence it had on his writing, I wonder if perhaps Cirdan’s inspiration is drawn in part from the prophet Daniel and his story

  • @gael.aubrit
    @gael.aubrit หลายเดือนก่อน

    So beautifuly and elegantly said, thank you!

  • @thedragondemands5186
    @thedragondemands5186 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a masterful video - well, I love the source material, but you did it justice

  • @Minstrels-of-Middle-earth
    @Minstrels-of-Middle-earth หลายเดือนก่อน

    Círdan is one of our favourites. We're working on a song about him, posted a demo recently.

  • @Pfhorrest
    @Pfhorrest หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Circan is my new favorite elf.

  • @ooee6383
    @ooee6383 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    12:39 Australia is Valinor confirmed

  • @timtas1968
    @timtas1968 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good piece, athough strictly speaking, Gil-Galad had the support of the Numenorians, as it was also him that befriended Aldarion. I don't know why everybody always tries to belittle Gil-Galad, what did he ever to wrongg to deserve this?

  • @chrisfraser5088
    @chrisfraser5088 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always been my favourite of all the Elves 😊

  • @melvineldelov3442
    @melvineldelov3442 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You answer questions before we think of them 🤙

  • @General12th
    @General12th 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi Robert!
    I wonder if part of the reason why Cirdan was so eager to attempt dangerous missions was because he knew that if he died, he'd just end up in Valinor anyway -- and earlier than he would have if he lived -- so he might as well make himself useful while he waited.

  • @steveaustin4013
    @steveaustin4013 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great video. Loved this

  • @dogs-game-too
    @dogs-game-too 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The world needs more like Cirdan

  • @robertoperalta2526
    @robertoperalta2526 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video! Wished TROP did this legendarium justice…

  • @AllAhabNoMoby
    @AllAhabNoMoby หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What I like most about Cirdan - and what proves his foresight more than anything else - is that he boycotted Gillette before the need for it became obvious to everyone.

  • @deanostanley8530
    @deanostanley8530 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's a video like this that really hammers home what a travesty the ROP is

  • @paulharrison2557
    @paulharrison2557 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine having someone that old and wise and not making them your leader? Others spoke of being of the lineage of Olwe, Finwe etc, or descended from Earendil, he KNEW them!

  • @lars9925
    @lars9925 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you didn't make your first point clear enough. Cirdan was actually the ONLY ONE (we know) of the firstborn elves who awoke in Cuiviénen that was still alive and in Middle Earth. He lived there for at least six ages. He started his life before the three Ages of the Trees, during which Morgoth was in captivity, and he lived on there at least until the beginning of the Fourth Age of the Sun and Moon.

  • @helikos1
    @helikos1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, I don't know if it's already been discussed but I would love to see videos detailing the Valar and Maiar, also perhaps a video explaining the relationship between the Maia of Aule and if there was any reasoning why they both turned to evil.

    • @J4R0D
      @J4R0D หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      crafting is akin to creation, but it can lead to a desire for control of creations.
      Aule created the dwarves, but knew his place
      Feanor created the silmarils, and his spirit was darkened when he couldn't control them
      Sauron of course created his ring, and Saruman coveted it
      And of course Morgoth sought his own unique creation from Eru's

  • @boffo63
    @boffo63 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This character needs a full 3 seasons. 12 episodes a season.

  • @vintagesteel
    @vintagesteel หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could you please do a video on Imin? He was the very first elf to awaken at Cuivienen and his story is fascinating to me. Whatever happened to Imin? Why did his grandson, Ingwe, suddenly become king of the Vanyar after returning from Valinor with Finwe and Elwe (Thingol)? After they journeyed to Valinor, Ingwe's father, Llion, was told the history of the Valar and the Universe by the Valar once they reached Valinor but why was he not king? Did Imin ever make it to Valinor or did he stay behind in Middle Earth? Hopefully Morgoth's servants didn't abduct Imin and turn him into an orc as described of some of the early elves in the Silmarillion. That would've been so tragic....

  • @gandalf4751
    @gandalf4751 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cirdan 😍😍😍

  • @NevermissaPoint
    @NevermissaPoint หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks for this video but...
    4:45 Thingol was long gone by that time
    i believe it was Turgon of Gondolin who suggested to turn to west

  • @isaakring2573
    @isaakring2573 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My favorit character in lotr i think

  • @unclemonty6766
    @unclemonty6766 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you want to stay alive in middle earth, find Cirdan, wherever he is, and stick with him.

  • @natechecots
    @natechecots หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Cirdan was definitely low-key pissed a dwarf got to sail west before he did.

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did a dwarf see Valinor? Or just Eressea?

    • @natechecots
      @natechecots หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@dandiehm8414whoops looks like you're correct lol, just Eressea. My mistake.

    • @MoritzGruber7
      @MoritzGruber7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But didn't Legolas and Gimli leave (if they did) after him?

    • @12classics39
      @12classics39 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@MoritzGruber7No. Legolas and Gimli left in the year 120 of the Fourth Age. The copy of the Red Book which Tolkien “translated” into LOTR is dated as ‘Fourth Age 172,’ the copy created by the King’s Writer under Eldarion (Aragorn and Arwen’s son) in Gondor. The book’s appendices state that “Círdan dwells in the Grey Havens still.” Which means that up to Fourth Age 172, Círdan (and Celeborn) had not yet left.

    • @MoritzGruber7
      @MoritzGruber7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@12classics39 thank you!

  • @jenniferwood144
    @jenniferwood144 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done

  • @Kevin_Casey
    @Kevin_Casey หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A little off-topic, but Robert, I would love to get an audiobook narrated by you of the Tolken series. Not sure if this is something you’ve already done or have any interest in, but just figured I’d let you know as fan. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to have you read us the Lord of the rings. 🤌🏼

  • @jacksawyer3510
    @jacksawyer3510 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After thousands and thousands of years of anticipation and longing, I wonder if the undying lands lived up to the hype? Or was it like when the penguins finally made it to Antarctica in the movie Madagascar?

  • @fydofire
    @fydofire หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As we say when something is over or shut down forever: "The last one turns off the lights". Or rather here "The captain leaves in the very last rescue boat" I suppose.

  • @diredier
    @diredier หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your videos, thank you :)

  • @pat_makes_stuff
    @pat_makes_stuff หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Robert should read for a Tolkien audiobook

  • @nickcastings1568
    @nickcastings1568 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Robert, this is a fabulous add on to the Lord of the rings, thank you for what you have done, have you ever read or, if you have, thought of doing the same type of thing for the Anne Mcafferey Dragonbooks? Carry on the great work, and once again thank you.