for colossians 1- 19 sam shamoun hit a wall in that passage when matt asked him "well was satan reconciled to christ?". notice it says HAVING been reconciled so theres no room for " well he needs to believe"
@@billzbez6019 If you just let the passage speak it would be common sense for you to understand that the reconciliation is done but not appropriated by the damned, therefore it's ineffective for them. You only think in one layer at a time. Very big brain of you
@@aprendiz4 negative ghost rider , again read the passage slowly "20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." MAKING PEACE " need to capitalize on that since you want to add all things as in all creation period , you must say jesus maid peace with satan. again sam shamoun ran into a wall on this passage. this isnt about layer at a time its about reading buddy plain reading
@@billzbez6019 Why did you start at verse 20? Read it in context. If "all" doesn't mean "all", then not all things came into being through Him as the sentences before it declare. It's a problem for you, not for me.
@@billzbez6019 It's not running into a wall, you just refuse to understand the passage in a way other than what you already believe. Can't help somebody who refuses to read in context.
@@billzbez6019 "Satan is damned therefore he wasn't reconciled" What a roundabout way of saying you don't know the other position. You argue without knowing and you think people will take you seriously?
How can you be a branch in Christ who doesn't bear fruit, then is essentially cut off, not be at one point a Christian? Saiko just destroyed his own argument..
We are saved by Grace THROUGH faith, not just by Grace alone... You bring up Ephesians 2, but its context refutes your understanding of the text in verse 8. Limited atonement, and the Calvinists version of predestination aren't harmonious just by reading first 2 chapters of Ephesians...
It's ironic Calvinist always say, Its not what I say, its what scripture says. Before telling us dead in Sin means literally dead. That someone who is unsaved can't donate to charity, give liver transplant, take care of orphan children, and on and on. Those things I named can people who are unsaved do them? Do we see people without Christ do good things? Yes, then dead in sin doesn't mean literally dead. Show me where dead means literally dead? It says you were following the world and the prince of the power of the air, which means you were literally alive doing things that displeased God. With Calvinist scripture never matters, they have these stories like Paul is objecting to the sovereign God in Romans 9 which is the same objection we have. No he's really not. Ephesians 2:1-10 English Standard Version By Grace Through Faith 2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body[a] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.[b] 4 But[c] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Dead in sin, is about our spiritual state. Not physical, of course, people have the ability to do good works, but we are either dead in our sins or alive in Christ.
@@Rad7272dad does dead in sins mean you can't do something? Show me in the verse were dead in sins means you can't respond to the gospel? Because the Bible doesn't say that.
@@Rad7272dad Seiko woods was saying dead as in literally dead, because you have to be made alive to have faith. I have heard him tell this story before. The point he tries to make is a person first has to be regenerated to life to believe in Christ. Just one problem scripture doesn't say that. All's scripture says is dead in sin means you went after the desires of your flesh and the way of the world. That's it nothing more than that is said with dead in sin. Election in the Bible starting with the old testament is always service/servitude, that's why Paul says he are created for good works that he prepared beforehand. God has made us alive in Christ to do good works. It doesn't say God prepared unsaved people to eternal life before the foundation of the world to do specific good works that he prepared. That's not in the verse either, calvinist bring a preloaded bag of things to these scriptures that aren't there. Everything is before the foundation of the world and specific to individuals it's not in scripture. If you go to the verse this has the Christ in the death of the cross was prepared before the foundation of the world that I believe because that it says. Doesn't follow that literally everything else was. If won't even make sense to say the cross was decided before the foundation of the world, because everything is so obviously that would be to.
@@Rad7272dad do you realize in John 6 the Holy Spirit was not yet given? No one in John 6 was regenerated and given the Holy Spirit to be brought to life. The Holy Spirit is not yet given until Acts 2 with the tongues of fire. No one had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Christ died and was resurrected. Not in John 6 while Christ is still alive. Do you see now how Calvinism adds a bunch of stuff to scripture that is not there?
@faithfulservantofchrist9876 en did the Holy Spirit come is an extremely important question. The answer to this question unlocks the door of many mysteries about the Holy Spirit and the ministry of Jesus Christ. Two tables are provided that show the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and His ministry to Christ. Holy Spirit’s Ministry in the Old Testament The Holy Spirit was present in the Old Testament. He has always been present upon the earth. In the Old Testament He ministered to believers such as Moses and his leadership team, as well as to Othniel, Gideon, Samson, Samuel, Jephthah, Saul, David, and all of the prophets. Holy Spirit's Ministry In The Old Testament Notice that in each case the Spirit came “upon” them. He did not dwell inside them. He did not always remain with them. King David understood this when he asked God to not remove the Holy Spirit from him. This is an important point. In 1 Samuel 16:13-14, we are told that the Holy Spirit came “mightily upon” David, and then later in Psalm 51:11 David asks God to not remove the Holy Spirit from him. The Holy Spirit came “upon” people, but He did not remain, residing within them.
1 John 2:2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if ANYONE sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for OUR sins, and not for OURS ONLY but ALSO for the WHOLE WORLD. Heretics trying to make an Omnibenevolent God into a hate monger! Christ died for the ENTIRE WORLD, but the ENTIRE world will not accept Him. We were spiritualy dead and separated from God, not physically dead. We still make a chouice to accept or reject.
Do you realize in John 6 the Holy Spirit was not yet given? No one in John 6 was regenerated and given the Holy Spirit to be brought to life. The Holy Spirit is not yet given until Acts 2 with the tongues of fire. No one had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Christ died and was resurrected. Not in John 6 while Christ is still alive. Do you see now how Calvinism adds a bunch of stuff to scripture that is not there? That poor kid has like 5 people attacking him because they have their pet doctrine and can't stand that it's wrong.
Romans 9 doesn't say before the foundation of the world? It's in the womb when God choose that Jacob will get the birthright not Esau the oldest. I would break it down for but you wouldn't care because you have stories about man wanting to be his own savoir, freewill, and people just can't handle soverign God? LOL None of that is in the bible and yet calvinist bring it to the table and say they only speak of scripture. LMAO. Romans 9 has to say before the foundation of the world for election to be salvation before the foundation of the word LMAO
5:27 COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE STATEMENT ADAM. BEYOND OFFENSIVE
What did he do?
"Here I am Lord, are you a catholic as well?"
"No, no...I read the Bible."
@@goldie862 most Roman Catholics don’t read the Bible
The satanic popes discouraged Bible reading as the Bible destroys Roman Catholicism
@@goldie862hahahahahahahaha 😂
@@thetruthisnotsubjective Not laughing
for colossians 1- 19 sam shamoun hit a wall in that passage when matt asked him "well was satan reconciled to christ?". notice it says HAVING been reconciled so theres no room for " well he needs to believe"
@@billzbez6019 If you just let the passage speak it would be common sense for you to understand that the reconciliation is done but not appropriated by the damned, therefore it's ineffective for them. You only think in one layer at a time. Very big brain of you
@@aprendiz4 negative ghost rider , again read the passage slowly "20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." MAKING PEACE " need to capitalize on that since you want to add all things as in all creation period , you must say jesus maid peace with satan. again sam shamoun ran into a wall on this passage. this isnt about layer at a time its about reading buddy plain reading
@@billzbez6019 Why did you start at verse 20? Read it in context. If "all" doesn't mean "all", then not all things came into being through Him as the sentences before it declare. It's a problem for you, not for me.
@@billzbez6019 It's not running into a wall, you just refuse to understand the passage in a way other than what you already believe. Can't help somebody who refuses to read in context.
Saiko tapdancing around Colossians 1 makes me smile
it shouldnt unless your willing to say satan is reconciled to christ
@@billzbez6019 "Satan is damned therefore he wasn't reconciled" What a roundabout way of saying you don't know the other position. You argue without knowing and you think people will take you seriously?
How can you be a branch in Christ who doesn't bear fruit, then is essentially cut off, not be at one point a Christian? Saiko just destroyed his own argument..
We are saved by Grace THROUGH faith, not just by Grace alone... You bring up Ephesians 2, but its context refutes your understanding of the text in verse 8. Limited atonement, and the Calvinists version of predestination aren't harmonious just by reading first 2 chapters of Ephesians...
This is all I'll say: don't you need ecclesial authority to declare heresy?
No
No
Hahah yup! Goofy protestants. Pots all calling the kettle black lmao. Catholic church Orthodox or bust
Shalom
It's ironic Calvinist always say, Its not what I say, its what scripture says. Before telling us dead in Sin means literally dead. That someone who is unsaved can't donate to charity, give liver transplant, take care of orphan children, and on and on. Those things I named can people who are unsaved do them? Do we see people without Christ do good things? Yes, then dead in sin doesn't mean literally dead. Show me where dead means literally dead? It says you were following the world and the prince of the power of the air, which means you were literally alive doing things that displeased God. With Calvinist scripture never matters, they have these stories like Paul is objecting to the sovereign God in Romans 9 which is the same objection we have. No he's really not.
Ephesians 2:1-10
English Standard Version
By Grace Through Faith
2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body[a] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.[b] 4 But[c] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Dead in sin, is about our spiritual state. Not physical, of course, people have the ability to do good works, but we are either dead in our sins or alive in Christ.
@@Rad7272dad does dead in sins mean you can't do something? Show me in the verse were dead in sins means you can't respond to the gospel? Because the Bible doesn't say that.
@@Rad7272dad Seiko woods was saying dead as in literally dead, because you have to be made alive to have faith. I have heard him tell this story before. The point he tries to make is a person first has to be regenerated to life to believe in Christ. Just one problem scripture doesn't say that. All's scripture says is dead in sin means you went after the desires of your flesh and the way of the world. That's it nothing more than that is said with dead in sin. Election in the Bible starting with the old testament is always service/servitude, that's why Paul says he are created for good works that he prepared beforehand. God has made us alive in Christ to do good works. It doesn't say God prepared unsaved people to eternal life before the foundation of the world to do specific good works that he prepared. That's not in the verse either, calvinist bring a preloaded bag of things to these scriptures that aren't there. Everything is before the foundation of the world and specific to individuals it's not in scripture. If you go to the verse this has the Christ in the death of the cross was prepared before the foundation of the world that I believe because that it says. Doesn't follow that literally everything else was. If won't even make sense to say the cross was decided before the foundation of the world, because everything is so obviously that would be to.
@@Rad7272dad do you realize in John 6 the Holy Spirit was not yet given? No one in John 6 was regenerated and given the Holy Spirit to be brought to life. The Holy Spirit is not yet given until Acts 2 with the tongues of fire. No one had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Christ died and was resurrected. Not in John 6 while Christ is still alive. Do you see now how Calvinism adds a bunch of stuff to scripture that is not there?
@faithfulservantofchrist9876 en did the Holy Spirit come is an extremely important question. The answer to this question unlocks the door of many mysteries about the Holy Spirit and the ministry of Jesus Christ. Two tables are provided that show the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and His ministry to Christ.
Holy Spirit’s Ministry in the Old Testament
The Holy Spirit was present in the Old Testament. He has always been present upon the earth. In the Old Testament He ministered to believers such as Moses and his leadership team, as well as to Othniel, Gideon, Samson, Samuel, Jephthah, Saul, David, and all of the prophets.
Holy Spirit's Ministry In The Old Testament
Notice that in each case the Spirit came “upon” them. He did not dwell inside them. He did not always remain with them. King David understood this when he asked God to not remove the Holy Spirit from him. This is an important point. In 1 Samuel 16:13-14, we are told that the Holy Spirit came “mightily upon” David, and then later in Psalm 51:11 David asks God to not remove the Holy Spirit from him. The Holy Spirit came “upon” people, but He did not remain, residing within them.
1 John 2:2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if ANYONE sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for OUR sins, and not for OURS ONLY but ALSO for the WHOLE WORLD. Heretics trying to make an Omnibenevolent God into a hate monger! Christ died for the ENTIRE WORLD, but the ENTIRE world will not accept Him. We were spiritualy dead and separated from God, not physically dead. We still make a chouice to accept or reject.
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Do you realize in John 6 the Holy Spirit was not yet given? No one in John 6 was regenerated and given the Holy Spirit to be brought to life. The Holy Spirit is not yet given until Acts 2 with the tongues of fire. No one had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Christ died and was resurrected. Not in John 6 while Christ is still alive. Do you see now how Calvinism adds a bunch of stuff to scripture that is not there?
That poor kid has like 5 people attacking him because they have their pet doctrine and can't stand that it's wrong.
No.
If you keep pushing the error then its heretical
Romans 9 doesn't say before the foundation of the world? It's in the womb when God choose that Jacob will get the birthright not Esau the oldest. I would break it down for but you wouldn't care because you have stories about man wanting to be his own savoir, freewill, and people just can't handle soverign God? LOL None of that is in the bible and yet calvinist bring it to the table and say they only speak of scripture. LMAO. Romans 9 has to say before the foundation of the world for election to be salvation before the foundation of the word LMAO
Ephesians 1:4