NIN’s influences and influence is a great example of the influenced becoming the influencer. I’ll inject him here because he’s my favourite music artist and NIN is my favourite band. Gary Numan was a big influence on Trent, from the dark, lonely alienation of his lyrics and soundscapes (Numan is Autistic, which as a fellow Autist I relate to) to the fascination with Synthesisers. When Trent heard Cars, that’s when he knew he had to get a Synthesiser. Numan’s early music may seem “upbeat” to people who don’t see how innovative he was in 1979 pushing synths forward, but his music even then was haunting. When he was struggling with the loss of the spotlight and falling into trying to appeal to the music industry, his wife Gemma played Head Like A Hole and he fell in love with NIN. He remembered Down In The Park, Metal (which NIN later covered) Replicas, Telekon and Films. He remembered who he was. So in the 1990s he found his style again and began going into a more heavier, industrial sound. The thing is, that it was and still is industrial on *Gary’s* terms. His signature sound which you can hear echoed in the synth beats of the chorus on NIN’s Only is still there. The wailing siren synths, the dark grooviness, the spacey lyrics. Jagged to me, is the 2006 The Downward Spiral. I’ve always listened to that album to meditate on deep childhood trauma. On the track Slave, that mantra of “Beg for someone, something I’ll laugh at you. Cry for someone, something I’ll laugh at you!” Eventually exploding into one of the most intense things I’ve ever heard/felt. That entire track to me rivals The Downward Spiral in it entirety in that I’ve never felt anything so raw, intense, haunting, painful but cathartic as that. This “entity” I called The Presence which I felt everywhere trying to control and turn everything against me. That’s what those lyrics meant to me. The simple chorus of “I hear you calling” on Fold and the ghostly synths swirling around it resonates with the nightmarish episodes of Psychosis I was left to deal with on my own as a teenager. Trent and Gary have proclaimed deep admiration and influence from each other. It’s always nice to see footage of Gary onstage with Trent. I’ve seen Gary 6 times. I’d absolutely love to see NIN.
I saw Gary perform recently for the Pleasure Principle/Replicas 40th tour and it was truly amazing. The classic tracks being performed with a heavier and more industrial rock sound blew my mind, I hope for an entire re recording of the two albums in the style of this tour it was that good.
I can hear that before Linkin Park was formed, Nine-Inch Nails (and namely the vocalist Trent) brought melancholy and real angst electronic sound to the masses.
Pretty Hate Machine really works best if you think of it as the last album of 1980's industrial. Afterward, it seems like industrial became a competition to incorporate more distorted guitars onto drum machine tracks, and it's interesting that NIN got out of that rut while Ministry never seemed to get out of it. Anyway, good walk down memory lane.
Glad you mentioned that (though I feel NIN was/is often like that, too - frequently being more of a rock band; though he/they still have plenty of industrial tracks). As someone who's a fan of electro-industrial, EBM, adjacent stuff, more classically industrial stuff, etc., it's actually a little irksome that so many people act like Industrial music is just "industrial rock/ metal" - which so often (though not always) isn't very industrial at all. I've had it happen too many times where I'm like, "Oh, new (to me) industrial act to check out? Nice!" *Looks into them/ listens to them.* "Great - another rock band." Haha. And that's with relatively not as mainstream names - I've seen people claim artists/bands like Rammstein or early Manson are "industrial." No. I like both, especially older Manson, but just no. Heh. It may seem a little silly to people not as into it, but it just gets a little annoying sometimes.
Tbf NIN supported Skinny Puppy in 1988, just a year before Pretty Hate Machine dropped, not mentioning Skinny Puppy while documenting NIN would almost feel deliberate
Chris Vrenna is criminally underrated. It's nice to finally see something that acknowledges how important his influence was in shaping the formative sound of NIN and everything after until his departure.
This is such a great work! I’ve been digging into NIN history for a while and this gave me an even broader scope to understand it. Needless to say that I’ll stay here for more. Thank you!!
If you were there when this album came out, Get Down Make Love is not something you think about when PHM is mentioned. The last track was Ringfinger and that’s that.
@@YaBoyRascal Not what I said. The song simply wasn’t part of the album until the re-releases so the inclusion is alien to those of us that were there when NIN had only one or two releases. This song could only be found as a B side to a single, don’t remember which one though.
27:57 Yeah, “just a couple of synthesizers”, but when you got incredibly versatile beasts like the Prophet 5 and the Oberheim Expander you don’t really need much else.
@@humanharddrive1 its actually a Korg M1, but yeah thats the same preset lol you can look up demos of that synth that play all the presets, and listen for the slap bass preset. theres actually M1 all over that album, its fun to pick them out of mixes
Thank you for making this video and for taking all the time to gather all that info, there's so much lore that I overlooked and now I understand it. It's pretty inspirational, how Trent followed his passion persistently and ended up making my favourite band ever. I love nin
I always thought Terrible Lie was about addiction. That Reznor was telling a tale of someone who uses substances as a coping mechanism to deal with the fact the world is more cruel then they could've realized, and that they lash out against "god" out of desperation.(Regardless if they are actaully religious or not) The line "Don't take it away from me. I need you to hold onto." Isn't about god, it's about the persons addiction. I wouldn't think it's that far fetched as a interpretation due to how many NIN songs tackle addiction and depression.
I love PHM, specially Terrible Lie, hell, it was the track that got me into NIN some years ago. The lyrical part isnt so deep like the other records, but the groovy sound that it haves, it's such a masterpiece Great video!
No matter how admittedly cheesy the lyrics are, Trent's delivery on Sanctified is so close to being totally unhinged that I can't help but love that song. Fantastic video, by the way. I really enjoyed learning about Trent's pre-NIN history.
About the early look of NIN - they're definitely taking their cues from c. 1990 Skinny Puppy and maybe a few other second-wave industrial bands (Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, etc.). Just look at Nivek oGre's aesthetic from the Too Dark Park / Last Rights era.
Although NIN is nowhere near industrial giants such as SPK, Skinny Puppy, Ministry nor Einstürzende Neubaten, I still appreciate their first album. Anyway, great video you made and I hope you will make other industrial topic videos, your visual aesthetic suit well to this genre. Shout out from France.
@@kyleharrison2286 bigger and influential, yes I'd agree, but not necessarily for the better. NIN was for mass appeal in every way, the experimental aspects have always been limited to choice of samples and sounds produced rather than arrangement. NIN was industrial flavored alternative rock made for the radio, Skinny Puppy was... Skinny Puppy, music made by artists experimenting with sounds and sound production and doing things their own unconventional way. In subject material, Trent's lyrics are always self concerned, self absorbed loathing everything around from the self perspective whereas Skinny Puppy has always been well outside the spectrum of self importance, providing a horror show view on the evils of governments misdeeds, animal testing, corporate pollution, advertising of harmful products, the dangers of drug addiction etc. I like and have liked both groups quite a bit, but while NIN has absolutely succeeded in the sales and marketing department, the music and artist legacy will forever be stuck in a useless circle of self pity and pointless rage, it's whiny stuff appealing to the base nature, kind of not surprising how well that sells.
@@Chef_Alpo NIN was very experimental in not just the samples but the arrangement. You didn't really see any other industrial artists making seven minute long songs in 7/8 or 10/8. To say NIN is "industrial flavored alternative rock made for the radio" is such a lie that it's not even funny. Albums like TDS, The Fragile and Year Zero were definitely not made for the radio and Trent even apologized for not having any songs that could be played on the radio. Lyrics wise Trent also talked about the governments misdeeds, polution and drug addiction and not just a "useless circle of self pity and pointless rage". Especially if you actually payed attention to the lyrics on any other album after PHM.
Thanks for the deep dive. I’ve been a fan since the mid 90’s and the first concert I went to after I got my car when I was 16 was Manson, Jim Rose, NIN in 1994 at the Cook Convention Center here in Memphis. I thought I knew a lot about NIN but you dug in and did some research. Thx mane
Daaamn what a great surprise discovery! When i thought i knew almost everything about Trent's early years, somehow this video gave new interesting info and even unheard covers! Very good editing, it was a pleasure to watch!
I've always thought it was a Rib Cage... Anways? GREAT job on one my tp5 fav albums if All-Time. Tp5 fav group All-Time as well. Alot new stuff I did not know. Ty. Saw NIN 95, 06(×2), 09 w/Jane's Addiction
"Head Like a Hole" was used in a 1990 soundtrack, "Class of 1999" which was a dystopian sci-fi/horror flick that was cheesy enough to be fun. Malcolm McDowell Pam Grier Bradley Gregg Stacy Keach
Pretty Hate Machine is one of my favorite top 3 debut albums of all time. Even after all these years it stands out as unique, and a taste of the venom to come from the Broken EP to come (probably in my top 2 favorite vinyl EPs of all time, the 7" bonus was a nice touch). I hear Trent is working on new NiN material (c. 2024) and it'll be interesting where he takes the project.
Pretty hate machine was a big record to me when i was angry, depressed teen in 1994-95. I got into NIN with Downward spiral but soon purchased Broken and PHM and while the 80sness of it was a little jarring at first because by the mid 90`s the entire music scene had tried to get so far away from sounding 80s that by then almost everyone thought the 80s was the lamest decade in music (i never fully subscribed to this and by 96-97 had realised that I`d wasted half that decade rejecting the music I really was meant to love), but in time I got very into it and for a while it was my favorite NIN record. Hell, it might still be tbh. I moved away from NIN by the late 90s and never really returned, i think because once my teen anger was gone i had no use for most of that music, but honestly im pretty certain Trent saved my life by giving me the catharsis i needed through his music. BTW though you cant criticize the lyrics, which can be criticized for sure, without mentioning "gray would be the color if i had a heart". It`s still the most teenage poetry line on the album. Also about skinny puppy, Cevin Key also got his start in a very new wave pop band and I remember an interview with them circa Downward Spiral era and they mentioned NIN and said we`ve been doing this stuff for ten years and they sounded a little like sour grapes like, why is this band catching on is such a big way, but the difference is Trent made industrial music that was catchy, something which SP were almost never concerned with except maybe on the first two records (which are unsurprisingly my favorites)
But it's not though, the Midwest only includes the states that were acquired after the Louisiana purchase, Pennsylvania is one of the original 13 colonies which makes them an eastern seaboard state.
That was fun. Truly can't wait to see your handling of a Skinny Puppy video. It'll be interesting to see how long that video will end up being. I'll watch it nonetheless. So many topics and bands and... stuff to swim in. Looking forward to all of it.
Fun fact: Something I Can Never Have is one of the songs that was the most underdeveloped when Trent got financing for the record, and since he was a massive 4AD records fan he took it to John Fryer in London, who'd mixed and produced some of the biggest releases on the label... He only had words and the piano part: they built the rest of it together using samplers and digital reverbs as well as reel to reel tapes of field recordings Fryer had around for use on the recently completed This Mortal Coil release on 4AD(you can hear some of the elements they used in the song "Late Night" by This Mortal Coil... the birds and the droning bass synth, namely)
I personally really like sanctified you can really hear the talking heads influence. Yes some of the lyrics are cheesey but it has a very hypnotic baseline and lots of remain in light esc ambience.
Consider? No. I AM going to do one on Iowa lol. Iowa is not only my favorite Slipknot record but one of my all time favorite albums. It will get a video in due time.
Okay can’t wait to see it. Also as a comment relevant to this video down in it is a personal favorite of mine too and always come back to it. Definitely had a lot of 80s charm.
"Maybe Just Once" turning into "Ringfinger" was really interesting to me. I really liked Purest Feeling. it's awesome to hear how these stripped down songs pre Pretty Hate Machine *turned into* what is known as Pretty Hate Machine. I really loved this Talkumentary
If you listen to Jesus and Mary Chain from that era(1989's Automatic, which, fun fact was NIN's first tour as an opening band), Synth Punk legends Suicide's "Way of Life" from 1988... Even first generation industrial pioneers like Clock DVA and SPK were making borderline club friendly dance music in the late 80s... One could argue there was a concerted effort in many of these seminal acts to use the tools of pop music against it and Pretty Hate Machine fit perfectly in that.
Hearing the Demo version of Down In It sounds like it's like when you put Lyrics into an like Suno and it spits out a song. All the elements are there just arranged weirdly.
The 80s has New Wave, Glam/Hair Metal, Cindy Lauper, Madonna, 80's classic AOR/Arena Rock, Adult-Contemporary, classic Hip-Hop, Michael Jackson, Prince, Thrash Metal, the Contemporary Christian Music scene including Petra, so many music genres in the 80s before Nine Inch Nails put out their first album called, Pretty Hate Machine. If I'm not mistaken.
I graduated HS in '89 and I remember reading a tiny blurb in a magazine about NIN saying something like: "They make music for boys who dress all in black" and I thought to myself, I like boys who dress all in black and the music the listen to, so I immediately bought Pretty Hate Machine without having heard one song. This was a few months after it's release, in early 1990. NIN instantly became my favorite band. I connected to the music like I never had before, especially Terrible Lie, because I was having a crisis of faith at the time.
Happy to give the 666th like of this video - especially because it covers one of my favourite all time bands who influences me a lot on my own musical projects.
dunno if anyone else has mentioned this, but its worth noting that Get Down Make Love was not on the original release of Pretty Hate Machine.... it was first released on the EP for Sin, then added as a bonus track on the 2010 remaster of Pretty Hate Machine. just pointing this out because for those of us that grew up listening to the original release, it was not an element that shaped the personality of the record... though it is, absolutely, a banger. on that, we agree.
Nin 🎹🤘🤘🤘🤘 cheers from Pasadena CA 🎹🎹🎹 sin reminds me of Terminator 2 Terminator music 💯 but fear factory totally reminds of Terminator music & the xfiles 💯💯💯
Industrial is my fave music !! im latin 54 years guy ! As a gen x with many rocks gods on my back like pink floyd , led zep, and also MJ but like reznor i grew up sheltered .in my case it was the suburbs of long island .lonely because u had to drive to impress girls at the time , there was no online chat ..ok but to be an industrtal fan you cant be ignorant !!! To be honest you have a hip violent culture and mindset , movies yes lots of movies yess horror and some cult sci fi , u must be a little repressed like strict parenting or living boring town , also hating hypocracy and with anger ! Late 80s there was also reagan conservatism .. but most important ! its anger when you are devoid of pleasure or good times,parties, seex, from the lucky normies ! Its Against the normal-popular people lifestyle..
Come one man, New Castle/Mercer isn't a shithole....its pretty nice. Maybe boring, but its not a dump. I grew up there as well and remember Trent (he was older...but my Aunt was a friend). The imaging in this documentary couldn't be more wrong.
Sanctified is a great song. You take that back, huh, sleezy? I'm not even a huge NIN fan but I can listen to pretty hate machine from front to back. Not a bad song on it.
"There's a definite tip of the hat to those bands, i have respect for them." His reponse is SUCH an obvious UNDERstatement😅😂 This response, is almost as bad as when Blixa Bargeld in an old interview flat out denied his band is in any way related to the industrial music genre😂 WHY are they ashamed to admit they are/were a part of this scene??
NIN’s influences and influence is a great example of the influenced becoming the influencer.
I’ll inject him here because he’s my favourite music artist and NIN is my favourite band.
Gary Numan was a big influence on Trent, from the dark, lonely alienation of his lyrics and soundscapes (Numan is Autistic, which as a fellow Autist I relate to) to the fascination with Synthesisers.
When Trent heard Cars, that’s when he knew he had to get a Synthesiser.
Numan’s early music may seem “upbeat” to people who don’t see how innovative he was in 1979 pushing synths forward, but his music even then was haunting.
When he was struggling with the loss of the spotlight and falling into trying to appeal to the music industry, his wife Gemma played Head Like A Hole and he fell in love with NIN.
He remembered Down In The Park, Metal (which NIN later covered) Replicas, Telekon and Films.
He remembered who he was. So in the 1990s he found his style again and began going into a more heavier, industrial sound.
The thing is, that it was and still is industrial on *Gary’s* terms.
His signature sound which you can hear echoed in the synth beats of the chorus on NIN’s Only is still there. The wailing siren synths, the dark grooviness, the spacey lyrics.
Jagged to me, is the 2006 The Downward Spiral. I’ve always listened to that album to meditate on deep childhood trauma.
On the track Slave, that mantra of “Beg for someone, something I’ll laugh at you. Cry for someone, something I’ll laugh at you!” Eventually exploding into one of the most intense things I’ve ever heard/felt. That entire track to me rivals The Downward Spiral in it entirety in that I’ve never felt anything so raw, intense, haunting, painful but cathartic as that.
This “entity” I called The Presence which I felt everywhere trying to control and turn everything against me. That’s what those lyrics meant to me.
The simple chorus of “I hear you calling” on Fold and the ghostly synths swirling around it resonates with the nightmarish episodes of Psychosis I was left to deal with on my own as a teenager.
Trent and Gary have proclaimed deep admiration and influence from each other.
It’s always nice to see footage of Gary onstage with Trent.
I’ve seen Gary 6 times. I’d absolutely love to see NIN.
I saw Gary perform recently for the Pleasure Principle/Replicas 40th tour and it was truly amazing. The classic tracks being performed with a heavier and more industrial rock sound blew my mind, I hope for an entire re recording of the two albums in the style of this tour it was that good.
I can hear that before Linkin Park was formed, Nine-Inch Nails (and namely the vocalist Trent) brought melancholy and real angst electronic sound to the masses.
Marilyn Manson's cover of down in the park is so freaking good
I love that Trent listens to Gary; I love them both
This really does add nine more inches on my nails doesn’t it?
I promise ;)
This comment hammers in the point
Pretty Hate Machine really works best if you think of it as the last album of 1980's industrial. Afterward, it seems like industrial became a competition to incorporate more distorted guitars onto drum machine tracks, and it's interesting that NIN got out of that rut while Ministry never seemed to get out of it. Anyway, good walk down memory lane.
Glad you mentioned that (though I feel NIN was/is often like that, too - frequently being more of a rock band; though he/they still have plenty of industrial tracks). As someone who's a fan of electro-industrial, EBM, adjacent stuff, more classically industrial stuff, etc., it's actually a little irksome that so many people act like Industrial music is just "industrial rock/ metal" - which so often (though not always) isn't very industrial at all.
I've had it happen too many times where I'm like, "Oh, new (to me) industrial act to check out? Nice!" *Looks into them/ listens to them.* "Great - another rock band." Haha. And that's with relatively not as mainstream names - I've seen people claim artists/bands like Rammstein or early Manson are "industrial." No. I like both, especially older Manson, but just no. Heh.
It may seem a little silly to people not as into it, but it just gets a little annoying sometimes.
Industrial rock. Phm isn’t industrial, it’s industrial rock perfection.
She Pretty on my Hate until it Machine
You cant talk about nine inch nails without talking about skinny puppy, and you nailed it. Incredible video ❤
Tbf NIN supported Skinny Puppy in 1988, just a year before Pretty Hate Machine dropped, not mentioning Skinny Puppy while documenting NIN would almost feel deliberate
@@grittifi exactly
Chris Vrenna is criminally underrated. It's nice to finally see something that acknowledges how important his influence was in shaping the formative sound of NIN and everything after until his departure.
This is such a great work! I’ve been digging into NIN history for a while and this gave me an even broader scope to understand it. Needless to say that I’ll stay here for more. Thank you!!
If you were there when this album came out, Get Down Make Love is not something you think about when PHM is mentioned. The last track was Ringfinger and that’s that.
People don't like Get Down, Make Love ???? I love that song
@@YaBoyRascal Not what I said. The song simply wasn’t part of the album until the re-releases so the inclusion is alien to those of us that were there when NIN had only one or two releases. This song could only be found as a B side to a single, don’t remember which one though.
Yeah I was like wtf that wasn't on my tape
I really liked the band Prick that reznor help to produce and released on his Nothing records label. Phenomenal album, their self titled.
So good I was listening to them today
Trent was around amazing bands. Pigface was also really good.
Love NIN. The Downward Spiral is one of few albums I would call perfect.
I'd go as far as saying both Downward Spiral and The Fragile are both perfect albums
19:51 literal jumpscare with that picture
I couldnt help myself
@@graymads bet you said "nothing can stop me now" to yourself while pressing the upload button ; )
i haven't watched the video yet and for some reason i had a feeling this was a timestamp to the bathrobe photo
did not disappoint
27:57 Yeah, “just a couple of synthesizers”, but when you got incredibly versatile beasts like the Prophet 5 and the Oberheim Expander you don’t really need much else.
The bass preset on Sanctified is the exact same DX7 preset used in the Seinfeld theme tune. You can never un-hear this.
you have a single fact to back that up?
@@humanharddrive1 its actually a Korg M1, but yeah thats the same preset lol you can look up demos of that synth that play all the presets, and listen for the slap bass preset. theres actually M1 all over that album, its fun to pick them out of mixes
For sure u can hear it!
Thank you for making this video and for taking all the time to gather all that info, there's so much lore that I overlooked and now I understand it. It's pretty inspirational, how Trent followed his passion persistently and ended up making my favourite band ever. I love nin
I always thought Terrible Lie was about addiction. That Reznor was telling a tale of someone who uses substances as a coping mechanism to deal with the fact the world is more cruel then they could've realized, and that they lash out against "god" out of desperation.(Regardless if they are actaully religious or not)
The line "Don't take it away from me. I need you to hold onto." Isn't about god, it's about the persons addiction.
I wouldn't think it's that far fetched as a interpretation due to how many NIN songs tackle addiction and depression.
Thank you for putting the footage of his early career. Those are my favorites especailly The Exotic Birds one hahah!
I love PHM, specially Terrible Lie, hell, it was the track that got me into NIN some years ago. The lyrical part isnt so deep like the other records, but the groovy sound that it haves, it's such a masterpiece
Great video!
48:26 THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN MENTIONED
You cover Sewerslvt, then Silent Hill, and then NIN, all in the same place? Yeah I'm home.
You forgot Slender man, Sea Punk, and Alice. ;)
@@graymads Shame on meeeeeeeeeee
No matter how admittedly cheesy the lyrics are, Trent's delivery on Sanctified is so close to being totally unhinged that I can't help but love that song.
Fantastic video, by the way. I really enjoyed learning about Trent's pre-NIN history.
I remember I bought Ministry's "With Empathy" cassette tape at a Pensacola Pawn Shop in Fall 05.
When I was in NAVY
Thank you so much! Awesome vid!
About the early look of NIN - they're definitely taking their cues from c. 1990 Skinny Puppy and maybe a few other second-wave industrial bands (Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, etc.). Just look at Nivek oGre's aesthetic from the Too Dark Park / Last Rights era.
Missed out on the Doc Martin's collab but not this
Damn, this video making me want to get an old synthesizer.
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you should, they are fun
your videos are so amazing
Bless
Although NIN is nowhere near industrial giants such as SPK, Skinny Puppy, Ministry nor Einstürzende Neubaten, I still appreciate their first album. Anyway, great video you made and I hope you will make other industrial topic videos, your visual aesthetic suit well to this genre. Shout out from France.
Idk man, Id argue NIN is much bigger and more influential than SP, and pretty on par with Ministry
@@kyleharrison2286 bigger and influential, yes I'd agree, but not necessarily for the better. NIN was for mass appeal in every way, the experimental aspects have always been limited to choice of samples and sounds produced rather than arrangement.
NIN was industrial flavored alternative rock made for the radio, Skinny Puppy was... Skinny Puppy, music made by artists experimenting with sounds and sound production and doing things their own unconventional way.
In subject material, Trent's lyrics are always self concerned, self absorbed loathing everything around from the self perspective whereas Skinny Puppy has always been well outside the spectrum of self importance, providing a horror show view on the evils of governments misdeeds, animal testing, corporate pollution, advertising of harmful products, the dangers of drug addiction etc.
I like and have liked both groups quite a bit, but while NIN has absolutely succeeded in the sales and marketing department, the music and artist legacy will forever be stuck in a useless circle of self pity and pointless rage, it's whiny stuff appealing to the base nature, kind of not surprising how well that sells.
@@Chef_Alpo NIN was very experimental in not just the samples but the arrangement. You didn't really see any other industrial artists making seven minute long songs in 7/8 or 10/8. To say NIN is "industrial flavored alternative rock made for the radio" is such a lie that it's not even funny. Albums like TDS, The Fragile and Year Zero were definitely not made for the radio and Trent even apologized for not having any songs that could be played on the radio. Lyrics wise Trent also talked about the governments misdeeds, polution and drug addiction and not just a "useless circle of self pity and pointless rage". Especially if you actually payed attention to the lyrics on any other album after PHM.
The best band of all time❤ (and only my opinion matters)
Thanks for the deep dive. I’ve been a fan since the mid 90’s and the first concert I went to after I got my car when I was 16 was Manson, Jim Rose, NIN in 1994 at the Cook Convention Center here in Memphis. I thought I knew a lot about NIN but you dug in and did some research. Thx mane
I was 13 when I saw that tour. It affected my music taste more than almost anything.
Daaamn what a great surprise discovery!
When i thought i knew almost everything about Trent's early years, somehow this video gave new interesting info and even unheard covers!
Very good editing, it was a pleasure to watch!
I've always thought it was a Rib Cage...
Anways? GREAT job on one my tp5 fav albums if All-Time.
Tp5 fav group All-Time as well.
Alot new stuff I did not know.
Ty.
Saw NIN 95, 06(×2), 09 w/Jane's Addiction
"Head Like a Hole" was used in a 1990 soundtrack, "Class of 1999" which was a dystopian sci-fi/horror flick that was cheesy enough to be fun.
Malcolm McDowell
Pam Grier
Bradley Gregg
Stacy Keach
Thanks for the very informative and cool video! NIN is my favourite artist ❤ .
nine inch nails is the mac tonight of industrial
"Down In It" came on my shuffle one day. Decided to call Trent "JJ Sad" ever since.
Imma be Reznoring my Trent to this if you know what I mean 👀
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I hope you got a red robe on
@@graymadsThis is the way
Thank you for this
i love NIN
same
I absolutely LOVE your videos! ❤ you always cover bands and topics that are specific to my interests, its super cool! Keep up the good work! 😎
a subscriber for 2 years, you are one of the OGs! Thanks for watching all this time!
@@graymads of course! 😊 and I'll keep watching! Your videos rock!
Can you do a video on Throbbing Gristle?
Pretty Hate Machine is one of my favorite top 3 debut albums of all time. Even after all these years it stands out as unique, and a taste of the venom to come from the Broken EP to come (probably in my top 2 favorite vinyl EPs of all time, the 7" bonus was a nice touch). I hear Trent is working on new NiN material (c. 2024) and it'll be interesting where he takes the project.
can't w8 for your next video to the broken ep. keep it up graymads!
I dig your channel. Really cool vid
Pretty hate machine was a big record to me when i was angry, depressed teen in 1994-95. I got into NIN with Downward spiral but soon purchased Broken and PHM and while the 80sness of it was a little jarring at first because by the mid 90`s the entire music scene had tried to get so far away from sounding 80s that by then almost everyone thought the 80s was the lamest decade in music (i never fully subscribed to this and by 96-97 had realised that I`d wasted half that decade rejecting the music I really was meant to love), but in time I got very into it and for a while it was my favorite NIN record. Hell, it might still be tbh. I moved away from NIN by the late 90s and never really returned, i think because once my teen anger was gone i had no use for most of that music, but honestly im pretty certain Trent saved my life by giving me the catharsis i needed through his music.
BTW though you cant criticize the lyrics, which can be criticized for sure, without mentioning "gray would be the color if i had a heart". It`s still the most teenage poetry line on the album.
Also about skinny puppy, Cevin Key also got his start in a very new wave pop band and I remember an interview with them circa Downward Spiral era and they mentioned NIN and said we`ve been doing this stuff for ten years and they sounded a little like sour grapes like, why is this band catching on is such a big way, but the difference is Trent made industrial music that was catchy, something which SP were almost never concerned with except maybe on the first two records (which are unsurprisingly my favorites)
Pennsylvania, midwest confirmed.
But it's not though, the Midwest only includes the states that were acquired after the Louisiana purchase, Pennsylvania is one of the original 13 colonies which makes them an eastern seaboard state.
46:53 ... because it's the b-side to the Sin single..
Trent had that air-conditioner generational wealth
Love this! Am interested in your take on “Broken”, and furthermore, “The Fragile”.
Great video! Definitely earned a new subscriber. I can’t wait to hear what you think of NIN’s later releases!
Oh no... I'm using the cat brush!
That was fun. Truly can't wait to see your handling of a Skinny Puppy video. It'll be interesting to see how long that video will end up being. I'll watch it nonetheless. So many topics and bands and... stuff to swim in. Looking forward to all of it.
The whole album is iconic & a masterpiece!
Fun fact: Something I Can Never Have is one of the songs that was the most underdeveloped when Trent got financing for the record, and since he was a massive 4AD records fan he took it to John Fryer in London, who'd mixed and produced some of the biggest releases on the label... He only had words and the piano part: they built the rest of it together using samplers and digital reverbs as well as reel to reel tapes of field recordings Fryer had around for use on the recently completed This Mortal Coil release on 4AD(you can hear some of the elements they used in the song "Late Night" by This Mortal Coil... the birds and the droning bass synth, namely)
great video!
I personally really like sanctified you can really hear the talking heads influence. Yes some of the lyrics are cheesey but it has a very hypnotic baseline and lots of remain in light esc ambience.
loved this video! can't wait for the next one! would you ever consider doing a video on Get Scared?
Random question but were you ever considering on doing a video on Iowa by Slipknot? Love the videos by the way keep it up!
Consider? No. I AM going to do one on Iowa lol. Iowa is not only my favorite Slipknot record but one of my all time favorite albums. It will get a video in due time.
Okay can’t wait to see it. Also as a comment relevant to this video down in it is a personal favorite of mine too and always come back to it. Definitely had a lot of 80s charm.
also, cool background music!! it resalted in various moments to me, even if being in the background
The best band of all time hands down Trent Reznor is a genius and a god and I would do anything to see them live
"Maybe Just Once" turning into "Ringfinger" was really interesting to me. I really liked Purest Feeling. it's awesome to hear how these stripped down songs pre Pretty Hate Machine *turned into* what is known as Pretty Hate Machine. I really loved this Talkumentary
If you listen to Jesus and Mary Chain from that era(1989's Automatic, which, fun fact was NIN's first tour as an opening band), Synth Punk legends Suicide's "Way of Life" from 1988... Even first generation industrial pioneers like Clock DVA and SPK were making borderline club friendly dance music in the late 80s... One could argue there was a concerted effort in many of these seminal acts to use the tools of pop music against it and Pretty Hate Machine fit perfectly in that.
Hearing the Demo version of Down In It sounds like it's like when you put Lyrics into an like Suno and it spits out a song. All the elements are there just arranged weirdly.
Ive seen Nails & Jane's on SAME NIGHT!
5th Row, Dead Center Orchestra Sec.
May09, NINJA Tour Kansas City. @Starlight Theater.
Killing joke turned all the band's industrial. Martin Atkins too
One of the most important albums in my life
14:42 kinda funny that the example for option 30 “doing their own thing” is also a cover song lol
Sanctified isn't cringe, it's about drugs.
I agree, never thought it was cringe tbh
The 80s has New Wave, Glam/Hair Metal, Cindy Lauper, Madonna, 80's classic AOR/Arena Rock, Adult-Contemporary, classic Hip-Hop, Michael Jackson, Prince, Thrash Metal, the Contemporary Christian Music scene including Petra, so many music genres in the 80s before Nine Inch Nails put out their first album called, Pretty Hate Machine. If I'm not mistaken.
im suprised greymads hasnt talked about urban voodoo yet aka the most obscure and underrated industrial band of all time
I graduated HS in '89 and I remember reading a tiny blurb in a magazine about NIN saying something like: "They make music for boys who dress all in black" and I thought to myself, I like boys who dress all in black and the music the listen to, so I immediately bought Pretty Hate Machine without having heard one song. This was a few months after it's release, in early 1990. NIN instantly became my favorite band. I connected to the music like I never had before, especially Terrible Lie, because I was having a crisis of faith at the time.
whatever man! Sanctified is awesome! it felt soooo goth to listen to that when I was a teenager while putting on eyeliner!
Happy to give the 666th like of this video - especially because it covers one of my favourite all time bands who influences me a lot on my own musical projects.
dunno if anyone else has mentioned this, but its worth noting that Get Down Make Love was not on the original release of Pretty Hate Machine.... it was first released on the EP for Sin, then added as a bonus track on the 2010 remaster of Pretty Hate Machine. just pointing this out because for those of us that grew up listening to the original release, it was not an element that shaped the personality of the record... though it is, absolutely, a banger. on that, we agree.
Thank you for posting this. I thought I was going crazy. I own PHM on tape, CD, and vinyl and in all the versions I have Ringfinger is the closer.
F’n loved the video, but wasn’t Pig Face also somewhere in that timeline? Trent and Ohgr doing a band together?
I saw nin 89 91 94 99 2005&2008 beyond awesome 💯💯💯
「The Binding of Isaac: Repentance」lore & or music doc video when? 😲
Good video. Nile is my friend.
Nin 🎹🤘🤘🤘🤘 cheers from Pasadena CA 🎹🎹🎹 sin reminds me of Terminator 2 Terminator music 💯 but fear factory totally reminds of Terminator music & the xfiles 💯💯💯
Love Trent, love NIN.
PHM isn’t my favorite album but it’s got so many catchy songs on it. Still a great album
Sin is underrated for sure
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Hey Mads can you do a video on Ministry specifically how they transitioned into their industrial sound from their original synthpop sound
I admit, i slept on this record. But in my defense Year Zero is better!
Industrial is my fave music !! im latin 54 years guy ! As a gen x with many rocks gods on my back like pink floyd , led zep, and also MJ but like reznor i grew up sheltered .in my case it was the suburbs of long island .lonely because u had to drive to impress girls at the time , there was no online chat ..ok but to be an industrtal fan you cant be ignorant !!! To be honest you have a hip violent culture and mindset , movies yes lots of movies yess horror and some cult sci fi , u must be a little repressed like strict parenting or living boring town , also hating hypocracy and with anger ! Late 80s there was also reagan conservatism .. but most important ! its anger when you are devoid of pleasure or good times,parties, seex, from the lucky normies ! Its Against the normal-popular people lifestyle..
Tp5 GREATEST album of ALL-TIME
Nah pretty hate machine is a perfect album.
Come one man, New Castle/Mercer isn't a shithole....its pretty nice. Maybe boring, but its not a dump. I grew up there as well and remember Trent (he was older...but my Aunt was a friend). The imaging in this documentary couldn't be more wrong.
22:54 is CRAZY
Sanctified is a great song. You take that back, huh, sleezy? I'm not even a huge NIN fan but I can listen to pretty hate machine from front to back. Not a bad song on it.
I was in Jr High when this came out and Something I Can Never Have matches Jr High angst- that song didn’t age well
Who up inching they nail rn?
"There's a definite tip of the hat to those bands, i have respect for them."
His reponse is SUCH an obvious UNDERstatement😅😂
This response, is almost as bad as when Blixa Bargeld in an old interview flat out denied his band is in any way related to the industrial music genre😂
WHY are they ashamed to admit they are/were a part of this scene??
Did you use Union City, New York, or South Side for one of your backgrounds while your normally talking? You'll know what I mean if you are.
South Side
@graymads Awesome, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes that stuff!
Привет, я из Украины но тоже люблю NIN, особенно этот альбом, и мне было приятно и весело смотреть твое видео! Спасибо за работу🥰
You should do one on elliot smith
You're such a smartass lol 😂
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PHM 🎹🤘🤘🤘
I always liked Chris Vrenna.