'It is FAIR to tax private schools!' - John McTernan and Ben Habib CLASH in fiery debate
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- John McTernan and Ben Habib disagree over whether private schools should pay VAT.
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tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax = labour strategy
Yes, the Tories did raise tax to the highest level in decades, didn't they. It's kind of hard for any government to run without revenue.
In 1979, Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government made a significant change to the VAT regime: the higher rate was abolished and the new unified standard rate was introduced at 15%, almost double the previous standard rate of 8%.
Over the course of the Thatcher government, VAT revenue growth outpaced revenues from income and wealth taxation.
In the 1990s, John Major’s Conservative government expanded VAT further, raising the standard rate from 15% to 17.5%.
George Osborne increased the standard rate of VAT from 17.5% to 20% in 2011.
LABOUR TAXs are designed to drag as many people out of the middle class into the working class
If VAT is to be added to educational fees, presumably that would apply to university tuition fees as well? Its only fair that universities (which are privately run institutions) pay their way.
Theyre not private institutions, theyre public
So the Vice Chancellor of Oxford, who earned more than £1m last year is on a public service pay scale? Actually they set their own pay, by gerrymandering the remuneration committee. They offer places to the richest of foreign students. They charge tuitionn fees. They are, in all senses of the word, indistinguishable from private schools.
Most politicians went to posh schools
including the champagne socialist
Explains a lot ….
@@oldshiny3012
Just the one ?!?! 😂 Don’t tell me ….. it was Corbyn wasn’t it ??
Including the socialist ones 👊..
Absalotly not. 20% of students at private schools are on bursary. This will cause even more pressure on state schools . The money involved is peanuts. This is politics .
To the extent a bursary is an agreement to provide education free of charge no VAT can attach to that supply because nothing is "paid" in return for the service(
this assumes the school bears the cost of any fees)
Bursaries funded by third parties would be treated differently, in all likelihood with the full cost being VATable.
Private schools will likely have fewer bursary places if this law go through. This tax will not affect rich/wealthy people. Private schools will become more exclusive to the wealthy who will be the only ones who can afford the cost. Also if you’re rich you already pay a Huge amount of tax, you’re choosing to spend your own money sending paying for your children’s education and not putting a burden on the state system. Why should you be punished for costing the government less money
You don’t improve something by making something else worse. Private schools are not better than state schools because of money they are better because of the attitude of the parents and kids at the school. More of the parents care more about how their kids do at private schools and there is a better class of riff raff so kids are more focused are not as easily led astray.
Did you read, the mother of the poor girl murdered in Croydon, NHS employee has saved and saved to send her daughter to a private school in the hope of her qualifying one day as a laser….Sir Keir would probably have destroyed this mothers dream..I hate jealously
Well you could argue that if the public schools were better and the police were well funded.
Why is it private school in the uk is the no1 gateway to a better outcome
Bojo would be lucky to have a job at McDonald’s if he didn’t go to Eton
@@chrisspencer6502this has nothing to do with better funding of anything. You are dealing with a sub culture that none of you understand. I am from the Caribbean. You have the theeeee most ghetto criminal set in the UK. It will only get worse because you don’t handle it the way you should.
@@chrisspencer6502It's extremely easy. It's not funding, it's attitude. There are large swathes of the population who care not a jot for the opportunity being afforded them, usually by the middle classes they despise. Their kids are ill brought up and ruin it for the folk who want to do well. That's a much harder conversation though isn't it
classic misdirection of something so small and irrelevant to the average Brit
But where will a lot of Labour politicians send their children then? 😉
Well they’ll be paying the taxes you don’t while rees mogg tell the taxes he pays and you’ll never pay don’t matter
The VAT won’t effect them, it’ll just be their children smarter while the rest of the U.K. is putting pressure on state facilities and not receiving a proper education
They will put it on their government expense account
Socialists are fine so long as other peoples money keeps coming in.
So how do we pay for the look after our own policies like educating English kids?
UK government schools are collapsing around the children
Money for state schools has to come from somewhere and it needs a lot more investment.
@@danielbolton6905 well why should they pay for it they pay twice as it is
As explained by then Chancellor Geoffrey Howe in his 1979 budget speech, VAT reforms were part of a concerted effort to switch the incidence of taxation away from earnings and towards spending.
Over the course of the Thatcher government, VAT revenue growth outpaced revenues from income and wealth taxation.
In the 1990s, John Major’s Conservative government expanded VAT further.
Well said ben
Sir Starmer’s 20% VAT on private schools would be against EU Law and that is still part of UK legislation! A 2006 European Council directive on VAT specifically exempts “the provision of children’s or young people’s education, school or university education” and related goods and services. A Labour government would have to remove the provision from UK law. So much for not diverging Sir Starmer. Are you planning on introducing VAT on university fees too?
We are not in the E.U. and can levy VAT how we want to, which has been used Recently. The Government cut vat on, home insulation, solar panels and heat pumps from 5% to 0.
Quite so. It's a slippery slope. Legislation change won't be quick or cheap. I suppose it'll be down to the interpretation of "value-added" and how some people now see children future's as a commodity to be taxed. I guess we'll start see VAT on music tuition, sports coaching and after school clubs too?
Labour should also provide a good account where the VAT is spent and to audit how much this covers the deficit in state school
For someone who inherited wealth and lives in networks of wealthy people where opportunities are rife, I can see how this private school tax helps balance out their unearned privilege. But for my friend, a tennis coach who works 80 hours a week to get his son into private schools and likely better networks of opportunity, I see it as a harsh change of rules. Perhaps that's the point of a labour government though, that once they get voted in, the rules of play will change toward that of redistributed wealth.
The Brits apparently never met a tax they didn't like. Britons are suffering under the highest tax burden since the second world war. Last time I checked, the UK isn't at war...
IT WRONG AND THEY KNOW IT. He's struggling to defend their position.
The Spectator has a new article - the Eurozone isn't looking healthy
It's looking healthier than Sewage Island, Brexit Britain.
What about people who sacrifice all to give their kids education
Private schools will likely have fewer bursary places if this law go through. This tax will not affect rich/wealthy people. Private schools will become more exclusive to the wealthy who will be the only ones who can afford the cost. Also if you’re rich you already pay a Huge amount of tax, you’re choosing to spend your own money sending paying for your children’s education and not putting a burden on the state system. Why should you be punished for costing the government less money
Same old labour same old policies, screw those who have done well for themselves.
Thanks bot, Tory shill.
What utter tosh
Spot on
As with all punitive taxation, it will not have the desired effect and will in fact cause a reduction in the private education sector, thus reducing any tax income and correspondingly increasing pressure on State schools which will have to accommodate those pupils no longer in private education. If this is the standard of thinking, it is indeed poor.
A jealousy B stupidity but this is the left
When your mobile phone went from £600 to over £1000 pounds
Did people stop buying them?
There’s no extra money going into the state system with this silly punitive tax on kids. Every child in a catchment has government funding directly to the local state school regardless of whether they go there or go to private school. So where’s the money coming from and where’s it going….??
Total lie. This VAT thing will not help state schools. Let state schools charge fees. That will make a difference.
Another tool to widen the gap between the rich and poor, it won't bother the wealthiest , in fact they might find it welcoming, it will help make private education more exclusive to them, also helping to snub out competition for the high power jobs. Many smaller boarding schools are mostly full of overseas pupils, costing will now be an issue, lots will look elsewhere leading to job cuts or even closer of schools.
For the uninformed such as myself how about providing us with examples and statistics as to charitable things that private schools do on a daily basis.
If any of you can believe anything the conservative guys says after he claims "Jeremey Hunt is a socialist" you are truly... truly lost.
This presenter is very uninformed.
I worked scrubbing pub floors in my 20s, saving up every extra penny I could to eventually further my education and advance my situation. I now have a child in private school, which is a financial priority for our family. I'm not wealthy, I drive a used Peugeot, not a German. By not living in pricey London, where I actually work, I can afford my house. I already pay school taxes on my income, and like most private school parents, I can JUST afford to have my kid there.
We know most of our leaders attended private institutions, right? And we complain about how distant they are from the people.
So restricting working parents' ability to provide those opportunities is absurd and shortsighted. It widens the gap!
What a ridiculous proposed “solution.” If only the rich can afford private schools our future leaders are even more likely to be distant because they won't have working parents at home giving them the example.
Now families must relocate to catchment areas and pay inflated housing costs just to access a decent Ofsted scoring public schools? Essentially penalizing those who work hard and budget responsibly by squeezing them for even more money?
Genius plan!
Let’s add extra barriers for responsible, working-class parents trying to secure a quality education. Can’t have those pesky middle-class children competing on merit now, can we?
Most other businesses pay vat why should private svhool fees be exempt
Great Britain needs to teach it's children the skills of the future such as mathematics, chemistry, biology, engineering, phonon resonance, time travel, interdimensional travel, galactic travel through star gate doorways, science of consciousness etc. Sorted your fit for the future and life in the galactic space age to come. Reach for the sky and galaxy. You can do it. Hahaha.
If the government chooses to tax education, why not tax everything. This is political envy and ignorance. I agree the tax won't go to state education, similarly to the lie that the old road fund license went to transport improvement. Many parents choose make a sacrifice to save their hard earned income to the betterment of their children. The thought that this is still a class struggle is ridiculous. Labour would have us believe public schools are all like Eton, Harrow, etc when of course the vast majority are not, but still offer a high class service guiding children through their formative years.
This man has a problem. I as a single mum worked 16 yrs a day to put my child through a private school. Note it also provided pre and after school which allowed me to keep my job !!!!
'16 yrs a day' is very impressive.
Seriously though, what we hear from many with regards to those who are struggling with the cost of living is simply that they should work harder and get better jobs. So, why doesn't that apply here?
Many are struggling to keep going even with kids in state schools. The schools are falling apart (some literally) and that can't be allowed to continue. Money doesn't grow on trees.
Lots of state schools provide offerings for before and after school, at least in 2024.
Tax is never fair. It is only ever the law. And in this case a law that would be illegal, apparently! Starmer wants to comply with Human rights legislation, and one of our rights is to an education. Or is he just a lefty hypocrite?
Well I’m glad you agree, because I’ve just lost my job thanks to “political changes”. Great job!
Were getting divided and played. Who says funding for public schools are going to increase if they tax private schools. And if they really wanted to tax the rich why dont they tax the exclusive elite public schools instead of all private schools. Taxing working class people more because they can afford to spend money is stupid. Because you end up with less working class people spending money and even more inequality. Our resources all goes to the millionaires who dont pay a significant portion of their income as tax.
The most jealous and envious tax that anyone has ever had the idea to levy. It's disgusting. Parents who already pay for an education that their children are entitled to for free being taxed because they can afford it. Where is the rebate on the tax we already pay to the state for our children's education that we don't use. Why is it assumed that all these families who's children go to and use the state system are broke and on benefits and can't afford to make any contribution to the system. These are happy wealthy prosperous families. They travel eat out shop ....why don't you ask them to make even a small contribution for the sake of their own children. They use the system its in their interest to care to do so. They can afford a few hundred pounds a term . We pay thousands at a great sacrifice. We don't eat out we don't shop we give up family holidays for the sake of paying these fees. That is the reality. Your all disgusting and you will drive millions of hardworking professionals out of the country. Its a vile attack on middle income families and their children. It's pathetic and desperate and won't even fix the problem.
I was in the same boat when I put my child through private school, couldn't agree more. Every point you made is absolutely true and the reality. People who sacrifice for their child/children like you do deserve a medal, Good luck to you in the future.
another indirect tax
Why private school parents have to pay a state school system that their children never used? Why state school parents can enjoy free education for their children? Isn’t state school a service? Is children’s education a commodity goods? Why universities and nursery and adult education are still charity just not private schools? Why private school parents who have paid all the tax through their hard work and business have to be taxed again just to fund state school that they don’t use? Why it is private school parent’s responsibility to keep state school going? Where the hell our tax has gone that led to state school so lack of funding? Labour and someone agree this policy have never had any sympathy on unaffordable private school children who will have to go to a random state school, their discontinued study, no provision of their specific needs, their destroyed friend groups, shame of financial situation, etc. these can lead to being bullied and negelected at state school. These children’s wellbeing were never considered by the labour, they are punishing their hard working parents and encourage envy and jealousy against good value. This is completely evil!
Ben is a Legend . agree,
Habib doesn't know that state schools pay vat,habib british this and british that hes not british and dewbs talks crap.🤡🤡🤬🤬🤮
Ben Habib is a regular Mr Punch-he seems to pop up on TV screens on a weekly basis.
What a waffle from both sides.
Is that Pakistani born Habib telling our sovereign people what to think about OUR education system ?!?! Get back in the box ……
More Identity again from the socailists ..
Private schools are a private business therefore VAT should be paid.
ok but why not do it in stages? kids will be taken out of schools they've made friends in etc. It's cruel to do it like this. why not a 5% increase each year until it reaches the 20 %? secondly Labour are only doing this for show and for brownie points from unintelligent people who can only think in terms of Private school = rich people=bad people...Labour want to give dumb people a warm fuzzy feeling and that's what this is really about.
dont know tax systym but if tax is paid on private health care then private everything is fair game and more so if state provides an alternative queue jumpers pay for the priviledge
Once upon a time the state schools had swimming pool and playing fields.... GONE. State schools are now crumbling around our children.
Private school is a business not a charity and latter does very little within the community not near enough to obtain charitable status.
My heart bleed for the private schools ! Only 20% tax them 50% rich people would still send their kids to private schools ! I live near Canford private school and that school has a golf course , helipad, swimming pool, river for their rowing club , cricket field....... Meanwhile the local state school has to crowdfund to fix their roof tax those private school to death
“Tax them to death”
You sound healthy.
@@slobiden.2593
Diegolove sounds like your typical envy the rich lefturds, always whingeing because someone has more than they have and believes they should be punished for it.
@jonathanevans3500 Dont give a shit if you have enough money to send your kid to private school then you have enough money to pay more taxes
I can imagine the smell of your house from your post.
@@andrewjackson8089 Smell nice thanks finally mortgage free
Wot is tweny percent? Shouldn't presenters be able to speak English as a minimum requirement?
Labour - the party of envy
Tell me you don't understand socialism without telling me you don't understand socialism.
Lipstick on a pig?
Labour should also provide a good account where the VAT is spent and to audit how much this covers the deficit in state school