Thank you, Pastor Tommy. I don't hold the same eschatological beliefs you do, but I did recently come out of dispensationalism after 20 years of being deceived. I appreciate your clarity and your reliance on Scripture to show the massive failure of this pernicious teaching.
Wow! I feel like I wen down the rabbit hole as I watched all these debunking dispensation videos. I had no idea some of these pro-dispensation beliefs/teachings were so destructive and divisive. Thank you wholeheartedly for you explanation of this subject. 😇❤️
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His Promise In Christ by the Gospel. 1CORINTHIANS 12:13 For by One Spirit are we all baptized into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been made to drink into One Spirit. Isaiah 45:25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34. James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his "brethren" in the "faith". The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Bride" as the Dispensationalists often infer in an attempt to make their doctrine work.
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
I believe Jesus actually went to the gentiles first (Matt 4:12-16,17 Acts 15:23) because of his trip to Galilee. Paul also ministered to Jews first (Acts 26:20,21) because he was in the temple and the Pharisees tried to kill him because of it
You don't debunk anything with these videos brother. You just pick confusing verses out of context to fit your own doctrine. You forgot to mention Mt 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.". There's pretty clear what this verse says even if you never read the bible. Matthew 15:26 (KJV) "But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." ....We are the dogs and honestly I don't mind being called a dog by God. Praise the Lord for giving me eternal life.
Jesus' earthly ministry was unto the lost sheep of israel, no one argues that. Here is where dispensationalists get it wrong. Let's read that phrase again " the LOST SHEEP of israel," Jesus spoke plenty about sheep and the goats. The sheep were of his fold. The lost sheep, I believe, are simply israelites that are looking for the Saviour, receptive people you could say. He didnt come for the pharisees or sadducees. There isn't one verse that I'm aware of (correct me if im wrong) where jesus is sympathetic or seeking out the scribes and pharisees to save. I hope it makes sense that Matt 15:24 or verses like it, are not talking about every Jew or israelite. BTW, in the video he did make mention of Matt 15:24, not sure if you watched the whole video or not.
@@chrismurphy4967 You speak just like the guy in the video and you don't make any sense either. Just read again what you said. What minute and second does he mention Matt 15:24 ?
@@iuliua I thought I made it very clear, excuse me on that. Jesus came for the lost sheep of israel. That is very different that Jesus coming for all of the Jews. A quick read through the book of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, really any of the old testament prophets, and you will see how God doesnt care if they are jews or not, if they reject him, then God rejects them. By jesus coming for the lost sheep, he was doing just that, coming for the SHEEP (not the he-goats). Not all of the jews rejected God or Jesus, those are the very jews that jesus went out to seek. Jesus DID NOT come or even care about the Pharisees and the like. He mentions Matt 15:24 @ 3:30 . But the real problem I think you have, is that you hang onto this one verse, (perhaps you have 2 whole verses) but you fail to see the big picture of God never cared about a particular race to begin with, even in the Old Testament the phrase "they became jews" can be found talking about foreigners being accepted into the nation of israel. I dont want to type a thesis to you, but you ought not throw claims like "picking confusing verses" that sir, is EXACTLY what you are attempting with your two verses.
Not only did he disprove Much take notice to how you guys like to discredit matt 24 as to the jew but then right away use Matthew 24:36-51 to prove imminence and isn't it out of Context because Jesus himself said therefore keep watch Hmm Keep Watch for what Ohh those things that were before you sliced and diced out
Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Great passage. I should have used that one, but I also would have included all the verses in between 8 and 16 they prove my point perfectly. Great example. I wish I had time in all these videos to use all the passages that there are to prove my point. Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. I love how Paul is using all the Old Testament examples to prove that the Gospel going to the Gentiles was always God's will and that God was using Paul to fulfill His original plan.
Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 13:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
You are awesom. That is another great example where Jesus saves Samariatans and then if you keep reading it shows how He was looking for the true worshippers. Those who worship in Spirit and in truth. You should make videos debunking dispensationalism. Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. Notice how Jesus didn't say "I'm not your Messaih"
Finally an error in this series. The Jews in Israel aren't the same Jews of the first century. They don't persecute believers and in fact some Israelites are messianic Jews who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah.
God told Abraham all nations would be blessed through you Just to reason Why Israel in the 1st place was it not because the people rejected God before the flood and then again at Bable, Was it not to preserve the law So people can know what they are guilty off what righteousness is, I mean if it were just though separate people spread throughout the world would it have the same effect same preservation and how could the line leading up to Christ and all the prophecies prove God to the world work if it were not though a nation was not isreal created for God to reach the world in the 1st place I just see such beauty in it and why to the Jew 1st because they had the law the history the prophets without which none of what Christ did would make sense to the world
Abraham did not get saved if he had been saved he would have went directly to heaven but he did not because he could not because his sins were not forgiven after Christ death burial and Resurrection Christ went to hell taking the keys of death and hell and taking captivity captive clearly there is different salvation plans in different time periods
Ontologically speaking, the “Body of Christ,” the “Church” is the ‘child’ of promise, but neither Jew nor Gentile belong to it if they don’t repent and believe the Gospel. Your distinction between Jews and the Church is partial at best, an unbelieving Jew is no different than an unbelieving Gentile. But, unlike the Gentile, the Jew (according to his lineage) still has promises of current apostasy AND a future Kingdom on this earth. They’re not the same, but both have their place. As do the Gentiles in the coming Jewish Kingdom, for that matter. You’re bleeding things over into places they don’t belong, and it causes you to misappropriate labels and concepts to the point you don’t even represent, with any fidelity, what Dispensationalism is actually used for in study. Please reevaluate your beliefs, and maybe consider removing these terrible misrepresentations of a video series. Thanks.
I think your hang up is semantic, and not substantive. What does Romans 11:24 have to do with your “refutation”? No dispensationalist denies the relationship between Jews and Gentiles being in the Body of Christ. I don’t know why you decide to use Eschatology as the ‘platform’ to characterize Dispensationalism’s understanding of the Scripture. You can’t even proclaim, with fidelity, what this belief entails, much less refute that (lack of) understanding. This is straw man.
Jesus came for the Jews and after the crucifixion and resurrection HE chose Paul for HIS glory to bring the mystery of the gospel to the gentiles. God was not shocked that Israel rejected HIM --- He will go back to HIS promises and everlasting covenant with HIS chosen remnant of Israel after the rapture
Thank you, Pastor Tommy. I don't hold the same eschatological beliefs you do, but I did recently come out of dispensationalism after 20 years of being deceived. I appreciate your clarity and your reliance on Scripture to show the massive failure of this pernicious teaching.
What a great series. Thank you pastor
Wow! I feel like I wen down the rabbit hole as I watched all these debunking dispensation videos. I had no idea some of these pro-dispensation beliefs/teachings were so destructive and divisive. Thank you wholeheartedly for you explanation of this subject. 😇❤️
Great to hear the truth be spoken of, so tired of preachers adding to the word
It's about time someone said this. Thanks.
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His Promise In Christ by the Gospel. 1CORINTHIANS 12:13 For by One Spirit are we all baptized into One Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been made to drink into One Spirit. Isaiah 45:25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Well said and right on the money
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34. James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his "brethren" in the "faith". The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Bride" as the Dispensationalists often infer in an attempt to make their doctrine work.
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
I believe Jesus actually went to the gentiles first (Matt 4:12-16,17 Acts 15:23) because of his trip to Galilee. Paul also ministered to Jews first (Acts 26:20,21) because he was in the temple and the Pharisees tried to kill him because of it
Even in Deuteronomy 4, it makes it clear that God set apart Israel so that they could draw the other nations (gentiles) to God.
You don't debunk anything with these videos brother. You just pick confusing verses out of context to fit your own doctrine. You forgot to mention Mt 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.". There's pretty clear what this verse says even if you never read the bible.
Matthew 15:26 (KJV) "But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." ....We are the dogs and honestly I don't mind being called a dog by God. Praise the Lord for giving me eternal life.
Jesus' earthly ministry was unto the lost sheep of israel, no one argues that. Here is where dispensationalists get it wrong. Let's read that phrase again " the LOST SHEEP of israel," Jesus spoke plenty about sheep and the goats. The sheep were of his fold. The lost sheep, I believe, are simply israelites that are looking for the Saviour, receptive people you could say. He didnt come for the pharisees or sadducees. There isn't one verse that I'm aware of (correct me if im wrong) where jesus is sympathetic or seeking out the scribes and pharisees to save. I hope it makes sense that Matt 15:24 or verses like it, are not talking about every Jew or israelite. BTW, in the video he did make mention of Matt 15:24, not sure if you watched the whole video or not.
@@chrismurphy4967 You speak just like the guy in the video and you don't make any sense either. Just read again what you said. What minute and second does he mention Matt 15:24 ?
@@iuliua I thought I made it very clear, excuse me on that. Jesus came for the lost sheep of israel. That is very different that Jesus coming for all of the Jews. A quick read through the book of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, really any of the old testament prophets, and you will see how God doesnt care if they are jews or not, if they reject him, then God rejects them. By jesus coming for the lost sheep, he was doing just that, coming for the SHEEP (not the he-goats). Not all of the jews rejected God or Jesus, those are the very jews that jesus went out to seek. Jesus DID NOT come or even care about the Pharisees and the like. He mentions Matt 15:24 @ 3:30 . But the real problem I think you have, is that you hang onto this one verse, (perhaps you have 2 whole verses) but you fail to see the big picture of God never cared about a particular race to begin with, even in the Old Testament the phrase "they became jews" can be found talking about foreigners being accepted into the nation of israel. I dont want to type a thesis to you, but you ought not throw claims like "picking confusing verses" that sir, is EXACTLY what you are attempting with your two verses.
Not only did he disprove Much take notice to how you guys like to discredit matt 24 as to the jew but then right away use Matthew 24:36-51 to prove imminence and isn't it out of Context because Jesus himself said therefore keep watch Hmm Keep Watch for what Ohh those things that were before you sliced and diced out
They say "we are going on a honeymoon while the Jew gets wiped out".
Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Great passage. I should have used that one, but I also would have included all the verses in between 8 and 16 they prove my point perfectly. Great example. I wish I had time in all these videos to use all the passages that there are to prove my point. Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
I love how Paul is using all the Old Testament examples to prove that the Gospel going to the Gentiles was always God's will and that God was using Paul to fulfill His original plan.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 13:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
You are awesom. That is another great example where Jesus saves Samariatans and then if you keep reading it shows how He was looking for the true worshippers. Those who worship in Spirit and in truth.
You should make videos debunking dispensationalism.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Notice how Jesus didn't say "I'm not your Messaih"
Finally an error in this series. The Jews in Israel aren't the same Jews of the first century. They don't persecute believers and in fact some Israelites are messianic Jews who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah.
God told Abraham all nations would be blessed through you Just to reason Why Israel in the 1st place was it not because the people rejected God before the flood and then again at Bable, Was it not to preserve the law So people can know what they are guilty off what righteousness is, I mean if it were just though separate people spread throughout the world would it have the same effect same preservation and how could the line leading up to Christ and all the prophecies prove God to the world work if it were not though a nation was not isreal created for God to reach the world in the 1st place I just see such beauty in it and why to the Jew 1st because they had the law the history the prophets without which none of what Christ did would make sense to the world
Abraham did not get saved if he had been saved he would have went directly to heaven but he did not because he could not because his sins were not forgiven after Christ death burial and Resurrection Christ went to hell taking the keys of death and hell and taking captivity captive clearly there is different salvation plans in different time periods
Ontologically speaking, the “Body of Christ,” the “Church” is the ‘child’ of promise, but neither Jew nor Gentile belong to it if they don’t repent and believe the Gospel. Your distinction between Jews and the Church is partial at best, an unbelieving Jew is no different than an unbelieving Gentile. But, unlike the Gentile, the Jew (according to his lineage) still has promises of current apostasy AND a future Kingdom on this earth. They’re not the same, but both have their place. As do the Gentiles in the coming Jewish Kingdom, for that matter. You’re bleeding things over into places they don’t belong, and it causes you to misappropriate labels and concepts to the point you don’t even represent, with any fidelity, what Dispensationalism is actually used for in study. Please reevaluate your beliefs, and maybe consider removing these terrible misrepresentations of a video series. Thanks.
You probably can't rightly divide a fart from a sneeze!
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I think your hang up is semantic, and not substantive. What does Romans 11:24 have to do with your “refutation”? No dispensationalist denies the relationship between Jews and Gentiles being in the Body of Christ.
I don’t know why you decide to use Eschatology as the ‘platform’ to characterize Dispensationalism’s understanding of the Scripture. You can’t even proclaim, with fidelity, what this belief entails, much less refute that (lack of) understanding. This is straw man.
Jesus came for the Jews and after the crucifixion and resurrection HE chose Paul for HIS glory to bring the mystery of the gospel to the gentiles.
God was not shocked that Israel rejected HIM --- He will go back to HIS promises and everlasting covenant with HIS chosen remnant of Israel after the rapture