How To Use a Vivo Cotton Candy Machine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2020
- Today we cover the top guidelines to follow when spinning with the Vivo or Vortex cotton candy machines. We also share some of the reasons the Vivo is our favorite mid-grade machine, and comment on what situations this machine works in best.
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After this Video I bought a Vivo. Love It!
I just got my Vivo machine. I love it. It makes perfect cotton Candy. I bought a carnival king and it didn’t work. The Vivo is night and day difference. Thank you for all of your informational videos, I appreciate the time it takes you to make these videos to teach us. I would love to see one of your videos at an actual event with you spinning cotton candy for people.
Love this idea! I need to get some live footage! Ha! Glad the Vivo is working out great!
Thank you for clear full explanation
Thank you so much. I am considering the purchase of the Vivo to make cotton candy for trick or treaters during Halloween, and this was the best video so far to help me decided this could be the machine for me.
Your house will definitely be the fun house on the block!!
How was your event? Thinking about doing it this year!
I love my Vivo we have had it now for 3 years and it works great We just have a hard time taking the clear topper off Great instructional!!
My Vivo will be here Wednesday. What maintenance have you had to do in those 3 years?
@@A_Walk_In_Their_Shoes hey following up on this how have you liked your vivo so far? planning on getting one in a couple days
Thanks for this video! My manual advised against removing the floss head hence reason I searched for a video as I wondered how it would be cleaned.
Glad I could help!
I love the way u explain😊
Is Vevor the generic of Vivo? Vevor is what I have. Works great - I love it! I don't have the dome and don't feel that I need it.
Would it spin light malt extract?
Hey great video ;) have a question though. I have the new model that you can adjust the voltage. I know in past videos and on the larger unit you say lower temp is better. So I set it to around 70-80 volts but I get alot of sugar that is slang to the wall of the tub? Do I have it set too low or is this normal for this style of unit to have alot of sugar on the wall?
I would play around with heat and see if you can minimize the sugar waste, but yes, it is pretty common to get a pretty decent size sugar ring in the bowl.
I really enjoyed your videos on this Thanksgiving while practicing social distancing
Hello! I'm just getting started, and I love watching your videos!! I am planning on purchasing a Vivo or Carnival King (so far, I think), and I have a couple questions.
First, when you change flavors, does the first cone flavor come through to the second cone flavor when you switch?
Second, if you want a bigger cone, can you just add another scoop of sugar and keep swirling?
Thanks so much for your response (hopefully), and thanks so much for the videos!
Hi there! No, the flavor from the previous cone will not leak through to the next cone. Yes, you can definitely add more sugar and do a second spin on the same cone to make it bigger. Thanks!
Great tutorial! Well done. 🇺🇸
Thanks!
What do you mean you can’t change flavors with the bigger ones? Can you explain a little? Trying to buy one for m new concession business. Need the advice and help.
Thank you for your videos!
Glad you like them!
Thank you for put such detailed videos!! Would you recommend this machine for concession rentals?
No, I would recommend Gold Medal Breeze for rentals.
Hi love your videos, I was curious where did you get the foam pieces to reduce noise from?
I used self adhesive furniture bumper pads which really helped with the noise
Multiple flavor technique question:
Do you just pour in another flavor and go or, do you rinse, reheat, and go with another flavor ( thinking at that point to bowl in wet reside from the rinse of the previous cycle.? And how long to re-heat after the rinse with this machine.
Please can I run it with the inverter? Thanks
Hi thank you so much for the detailed how to use and clean machine :) what foam did you use for the cover so it helps with the vibration?
Any foam from a craft store should work. The foam I found at the store is sticky on one side like a sticker. I just cut it to the size I wanted.
@@spunparadise8823 thank you so much for the info:) i just got my Vivo and can't wait to use it for our movie nights.
You have inspired me thanks
I'm so glad!
Thank you for your video. I do have a question though. The instruction manual that came with mine said to never take apart the head to clean it. Is your method of cleaning the head by removing it approved by the company or does it void any warranty since you are removing a part. I think I will still try that way though since just trying to clean it with a sponge/cloth is not that affective
Interesting that the manual said that. If it is the same machine, it has to be cleaned with the head removed to work properly.
Wherre d u get foam padding from?
I love your channel! Thank you so much for all the information. I have a question about this particular machine (I have the same one) why is my cotton candy coming out knotted? If that makes sense. It’s not spinning good cones, it seems to be catching at the head. I just got this machine and I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. Thank you for your help
This happens to me too!!!
It sounds like the head needs to be cleaned, if that doesn't work, your machine may not be heating high enough, at which point I would contact Vivo for a possible replacement.
Great tutorial!
Glad it was helpful, thanks!
So glad I found your videos! I just bought a Vivo and can’t wait to start using it! I’ve seen your packaging video using your larger machine. Have you tried making cotton candy without the straws/cones using your Vivo? Can you just “catch” it with your hands and package it?
Good question! Yes, you can catch it and package it, the output is just a lot slower, so your time packaging will be a lot longer.
Thanks for your reply!
Where did you get your glasses?
Do I need to clean it after 45 minutes? Or do I just need to let it cool for 20 minutes. I have an event that is 4 hours long
Hi, love this video! I was wondering if it's possible to make cotton candy without a cone using this machine. If so, how do I go about it?
Yes, wear food handling gloves and "catch" it as it releases from the machine. I usually spin it around on my glove like my hand is a cone and then package it. This machine will take a lot longer to package cotton candy than a machine larger then this.
Great video!! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you so much for this informative video, I am in the process of getting my temporary permit for a cotton candy booth. One question that I had was regarding the disposal of the grey water, how do you dispose of the grey water at outdoor events? Once again thank you.
Usually a 5 gallon bucket does the job, but I would double check with your county that they will approve that. Thanks!
Please, can it be operated by battery if there is no electricity? Thank you
I have had mine over five years and it works great and it only takes three minutes to heat up
hey over those 5 years what type of upkeep did you have to do to the machine thinking about getting the vivo
Amazing review, thank you! We just got my daughter a vivo and tried it out today. We have a question about cleaning. The part under the head, the bottom part of where the candy is put in..do you clean that and if so how? Maybe we did it wrong, but it had a lot of burnt sugar on it, but didn't look easy to remove. I'll check the instructions more thoroughly, but thought I'd ask.
We watched quite a few of your videos, including the hard candy one and the sour cotton candy one. We tried both and my daughter who loves sour was so happy and it all worked great. Thanks again and subscribing :) Our experience wouldn't have been so smooth without your videos. Will be watching more, my daughter has always wanted to own a candy shop, so this is a first step in her journey. ❤
Awesome! That's so exciting! And glad all the experiments worked out! Sounds like the machine was cleaned properly, the bottom part you are referring will always have a darker color to it now, it will not be nice and silver again. There shouldn't be any actual chunks though, almost just like a thin layer or residue on it, that's it.
You actually can clean that by removing the screws. The screws may have sugar causing them to stick, so you would heat it up and then remove the screws holding the head with a hot pad. You could then soak the top half in water and clean the bottom half.
What is the perfect volmeter for this machine?
Can the Vivo make the flower cotton candy design? Starting my cotton candy business and idk what to get . I’m pulling hair looking at every video online.
How man cones can you get frm one scoop of sugar?
Hi there! I do so appreciate your videos. I wonder if I could ask you a question that I imagine has been asked before. I find that using this machine, the cotton candy tends to stick to my fingers as I'm making up the cones, and the result is some pretty messy/sugary hands. I've tried different types of gloves - but no. Not the best looking thing. Do you ever have this problem and is there a good remedy. Thanks so much again!
Hello, we use clear Gorilla Gloves. Thanks!
Can you do a video packaging with this machine please? We have the Spin 2000 basically the same machine. We've been doing cones but really want to get into containers and bags. Thank you for all your great videos!
Yes, we plan to do a video showing that. It will take significantly longer using this machine to prepackage opposed to a commercial machine.
mid range machine has a vertical release? As in you could do cotton candy art????
Thank you for your Excellent video, Can I use any kind of sugar?
We use organic cane sugar, but any type of can sugar works.
When you are at an event that lasts 3 hours you use your machine for 45 minutes you said it when a break do you have to clean it? Just turn it off ? For how long? What do you need to do for breaks? Then you can just heat it back up and run again for 45 minutes?
We have a Dawood cotton candy machine first time used today at about 30 min mark the top part where you add sugar had melted sugar on there so as it was coming out it was just sticking to it any tips on this and what do you think is best vertical vs horizontal release for events as thinking we need a second machine .. Thanks
I always recommend two machines for an event. If they are high volume events, I recommend a horizontal machines like a Gold Medal.
How many oz does a scoop has?
Hi there! thanks for the video. In a few weeks I'll be trying my first market day. I was just wondering if it is OK to rinse the machine head while I'm selling? I'm just concerned that this will result in wet cotton candy (since the bowl will be damp after rinsing). Thank you!
Yes, you can throw some water in while it's going, that shouldn't be a problem. Yes, the bowl will be a bit wet, but you are catching the cotton candy above the bowl, so it should be fine. Otherwise, just wipe the bowl out with some paper towel after cleaning the head.
@@spunparadise8823 Thank you. Really appreciate you getting back to me!
Hi, is vivo the best machine to start with as a beginner ? I am new to this and I will be using it on the weekends. Thanks
Yes, I would recommend the Vivo or Carnival King for sure!
Thank you for the very informative videos.
Have you ever used citric or malic acid to make any sour flavors?
Thanks for the great question/suggestion. We haven't tried using either but I think dusting either on the spun cotton candy would work best. We will give it a shot and let you know if it works!
@@spunparadise8823 awesome 👌 👏
Sour Cotton Candy video should be out on Friday! Delish!
@@spunparadise8823 exciting!!
Tyu for charing your Video.
Hi, i was just wondering if you get the cotton candy building up on top of and sometime inside the spinning head? It ends ups looking like an upside down cone of cotton candy in the middle. What are we doing wrong for that to happen? Thanks
It’s not hot enough. Let that finish burning off before putting another scoop
Love your videos!
I was planning on buying one but I saw there are cart machines also ..
Is there a difference? do you recommend like the one you have better then the cart ones? or is it just preference on how it looks or are they just to small to reach to
I haven't used one on the cart, but it honestly looks like the same machine!
Hi, do you have to clean the machine each time during it's cooling down period between its 45-60 mins of continuous usage?
Yes, I do clean it. You might be able to get away with just putting water in it while it's hot and spinning before you turn it off, or you may have to actually remove the head of the machine and clean it. Depends on the age of your machine and how worn the head of the machine is.
@@spunparadise8823 Hi, thanks for the reply. If i used one candy floss machine for an 8hr event and cooled down the machine every hour for 20mins, would i have to either pour water in it to clean it or remove the head to clean it every time after it cooled down then restart it to continue further usage for the 8hr event?
I think i never explained myself properly in my earlier question.
Hi. I purchased my own Vivo but the cover has been on backorder. Any chance I can begin using it before I receive my bubble dome? It will be at home to make cupcakes for a party.
Yes you can
Can I ask what sugar you use to make your flavored sugars?? I use white satin but I’m noticing that because it’s so fine, when I spin a cone, it tends to fall down the cone and not stay up! I mix my own sugars and sometimes I notice if the sugar isnt dry enough it’s even worse, but im fairly new and have a vegan cc business (spunbysteph) and I’m doing pop ups and that’s my only issue. Help! lol I think it’s because it’s fine sugar.
The sugar granule size could definitely be an issue. We use a coarse organic cane sugar.
Hello, I would like to know how to handle the hot and power buttons, if the machine stops being used but at the time I have to make a cotton wool again, how should I handle the buttons or it should be left on and heating all the time
If you're letting it sit in between busy times at a market, I just switch the heat off and let the machine still run, that way all I need to do is hit the heat back on when someone comes up to buy some
Thank you for video!
I have this machine. I don't know why, but I can't make volume candy. All of them look elongated. Even I add a new portion off sugar their size doesn't change. The sugar cobweb comes out of the machine, wrapped on a cone, but it seems to be compacted on a stick. Maybe you know what am I doing wrong?
Has the machine been cleaned?
@@spunparadise8823 Here is the truth about cotton candy machines...they are fun, but like any good result there is preparation. Clean your machine, practice with the voltage for heating up the spin head to melt that sugar. Too much heat and the spin head burns. If Kirffa unscrews the spin head I bet it is clogged.
Could you use this machine to make cotton candy on paper straws or would you need to use a full-size cone?
You can use paper straws, you'll get about 5-7 mini puffs from one spin
I have a Vevor brand. It has a manual knob to set voltage. Sometimes floss comes out perfect, sometimes like crap! 😂 Sometimes nothing! What voltage is your machine set at when you turn heat on? Thxs. Thinking about just getting a Vivo. Just turn heat on and it’s perfect temp?
Watching. Just got mine and it seemed to burn the sugar and stopped giving me cotton candy. Didn't know about the water clean in between though. I'm sure that I had it on 70 volts but probably temp too high. Please advise.
Hey do you happen to know how to fix a vivo cotton candy machine that keeps throwing out hard candy. Could it be that the tank had water in it which is causing it to harden or is there something else I'm not looking at?
Most likely the water, how large are the pieces of candy? This could also contribute. If the machine is dirty or not running super hot, it will also spit it back out.
Thank you so much for the tutorial, I have a question and would be very grateful if you could answer it. if I want to use the machine for 7h straight, do I just need to turn it off every hour and wait a couple of minutes then turn it back on? :)
Hi! No, you will need to turn it off, let it cool, take off the top plate, clean the top plate and then put it back on the machine. Thanks!
Hey Thank You for amazing content I am Usman from india want to start Cotton candy business want to sell it nationwide so mayler bag is good to go like it can be have 3-4 months shelf life in myler bag?
Hello, I just got my machine today and when I put the sugar/floss in it spread all around the side of the bowl. do you know why or have any help in what I'm doing wrong? Thanks
Did anything spin into cotton candy or all sugar went to the sides of the bowl? The top head plate may need to be screwed down just slightly tighter.
I just received one of these yesterday. Where can I buy the plastic top from
Not a lot of availability on Amazon, I would shop around. www.amazon.com/Commercial-Machine-Prevent-Overload-Plastic/dp/B08T6GZY14/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=clear+cotton+candy+machine+bubble&qid=1623690723&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU0czODdPWjhJTTdMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDk4NDc4MUZQR09YSURTSjYxRSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjg5NDEzMUUyVk1UTUpOUEFSVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
Hi there, we currently have a commercial fairy floss (cotton candy) machine quite a bit larger that pushes the sugar out from the sides. We prefer the “neatness” of how the Vivo spins the floss vertically, however weren’t sure of the quality of this machine since it’s a quarter of the price of our other. We have a corporate event for 1000 guests coming up and we’re wondering how this machine would handle that volume? (It’s going to be running approx 7 hours). Thanks in advance for your help
Hi there, I have used Vivos for corporate events that large, however, we used 5 of them, switched them during the event. We were also spinning mini puffs, not full size cones. They are not nearly as heavy and reliable as a commercial Gold Medal or similar. I would recommend having your commercial machine on site as back up at the very least. Hope that helps.
I thought the candy comes out the sides and fan blade fins blow the candy strings up .
Hi! I just got this exact model in, and it comes out so fast I am having trouble keeping up with it! The spinner head sucks the threads back in, and then it comes out clumpy. After several tries I am still not fast enough. You make it look easy 😂 Any tips?
Do you sell the shield for the bubble
We don't sell the bubble, but any 20-21 inch bubble for sale online will work.
I seen in the comments below that with this machine it will be longer for the cotton candy to build up on the sides. Is there a machine that you recommend that does build up on the side?
Hi there, the Vivo will not build up on the sides since the cotton candy comes out vertically. If you are wanting one the comes out and builds up on the sides, I recommend a Gold Medal Whirlwind or EconoFloss.
@@spunparadise8823 thank you!
Where’s you get your protective glasses?
Those particular ones are from Forever 21, but you can find them on Amazon as well!
I'd love to see you make cotton candy using hard candy with this particular machine please
Thank you for the suggestion! Check in tomorrow for a video using hard candies in three different machines.
So I was told that you can use pam in the middle to keep the sugar from sticking and burning and that you should clean the inner middle with degreaser and steel wool after an event. You said you don't clean yours that often.. does cleaning how I described above affect the machine's performance?
I have never used Pam but sounds like it wouldn't hurt? I don't like to use anything on the machine for cleaning that I couldn't eat, so if the degreaser is a chemical base, I wouldn't recommend it, but I am sure it is possible to use.
@@spunparadise8823 thank you!
Hi good day, I have this machine and ot works great but why do my cotton candy melts so quickly wheen its on the cone?
It is melting from the humidity in the environment. Cones don't work well if it's humid outside.
I really like the look of the vivo: it looks simple to use, and I like that you can continually spin for different flavors. But it doesn’t look like a very big cone. I think that I would want a bigger cone. For selling at a local festival, do you think it would be better to go with the machine up?
Hi there, depends on the size of the festival. From the sounds of it, yeah, you may want to go a size up, just remember you won't be able to switch flavors out with each cone going bigger in machine size.
what do you think of royal catering?
I haven't seen royal catering
my machine makes a ring of sugar in the net that keeps getting thicker. how do i prevent that? it gets so dirty in the pan. i can only make about 4 cones and i have to clean out the ring of sugar caked on. also, my heating head came dented, so its not fully round, is this why i get the sugar ring?
Yes, absolutely. That will definitely cause issues with the dent. I recommend returning/exchanging it.
Hello Will I rent a cotton candy machine? Do you recommend leaving it or just renting it for a few hours or will I be there for better service?
Renting a machine is a great option if you are wanting to just try it out!
Where did u buy your big bags of Floss ?
www.spunparadise.com/sugarfloss
I notice the top of your dome lid there is like an extension. Can you explain what that is made of?
We custom made it. I can do a video on how to make one if you're interested!
@@spunparadise8823 Absolutely! It's Genius!
Hello. we have 1 question, what temperature do you set it at? Thank you.
The machine needs to be heated at maximum temp for about 5 minutes... At that time period adjust your volt meter to 70% after the preheat. If you keep it too high it will burn the sugar, if it is too low it sends the sugar out of the head to the sides of the bowl. It takes practice and experience to get the heating right but after consistent results you will figure your machine out. After an hour I seem to accumulate sugar at the bowl sides crystalized. To date nothing has stopped that. That volt meter can be slightly adjusted now and again as you are spinning cones to get better results, experiment. All of the sugar on the bowl sides can be used for other baking if you get conservative or at the very least dissolve it in water and pour on your outdoor plants. Yes plants like sugar water!
@@yvonnealvord8947 thank you very much. We gave up on it but we will try this. We had the heat at 94 cause the box shows a picture at 94. The supplier would not reply back to us. Again Thank you.
what type of generator or power bank would you recommend to run the vivo?
Generator-Honda EU2000i/Battery-Yeti
thank you!! @@spunparadise8823
How often do you clean the inside where you drop the sugar?Thank you for all of your helpful videos too😀
Every time you wanna clean it ... after you finished use it
I give deep clean the heat of the machine about three times a year, the top plate that screws off, I clean every time I use it.
@@spunparadise8823 And how do you clean that head exactly? When you say 3 times a year: after how many uses ist that approximately?
Hi there I love your video! What would you recommend for making cute cotton candy animal/fun shapes?
Great question! We plan to do a video on this soon!
Hi! I got my machine and when I spin my cotton candy it comes out as soon as I add the sugar, almost automatically attaching to the scoop. What should I do to work on this not happening
That is how the machine works, I recommend to be prepared with your paper cone or paper straw to start spinning immediately. The Vivo requires fast work. The more you use the machine, it should slow down a bit.
the Foam padding on the plastic top. . . . .. . is that something I can find at the hardware store? Your videos are the best. I just purchased the pineapple and cheesecake sugar floss based on how much I love your videos. The sugar floss has to be good too, right? 🙂
Hi! Yes, the foam I just get at the hardware store.
Question…..if I travel with several machines how do I let the one resting “recover”? Just turn off the heat and leave power on, or turn off completely? Thx much
You need to turn it off completely and let it cool. We take a screwdriver and bowl of water and actually clean the top plate that comes off on the head during it's "rest" period.
Thanks MUCH 😊
Mine has a knob to turn up the heat and a volt meter that goes up as I turn up the heat.
What voltage do you run your machine at?
Mine is a VBENLEM, the machine looks just like yours
We don't have a volt meter that it runs off of. I will have to check out the machine brand you have, thanks!
I have tried using the Vivo multiple times and the first few cones comes out fast and perfect. Somehow after that the floss head seems to get sugar on the side and then gets clogged and the floss no longer comes out. It just keeps twirling into a ball and i can't get it on the cone any more. Is it something I'm doing wrong? I've contacted Vivo and they even sent me a new floss head replacement.
I’m having this same problem
I would make sure the lid of the head isn't screwed down too tight. There needs to be a very small space left between the top plate and the base of the head.
Im also having this issue
Did you find out what was causing it?
Just used machine for the first time. After about 10 cones the cotton candy started coming out like a tornado- twisty - and was hard to get on the cones. Are we doing something wrong? Also sugar was collecting around the top of the area where you add the sugar pretty thick - does this have something to do with it?
Make sure the machine is really well heated. Also, make sure the top of the head isn't screwed down too tight. There needs to be a very small crack for excess sugar to come out the sides of the head if needed.
Thanks so much for replying. We will try that!
@@spunparadise8823 I am having the same issue as well. A few cones in and I'm getting ropes. I don't have an the machine with the adjustable voltage, how do I know if it's warm enough? Does it help to pause spinning for a few minutes to warm it up again? Thank you so much for your videos, they are very informative!
Where do you get your cones?
Smart and Final, Amazon, or a local Gold Medal distributor in your area.
Hi, I spun 75 cones on my little nostalgia machine I bought at a yard sale for the kids at our campground for the little year end boos and treats event. I prayed the poor thing wouldn't die on me. I was constantly spinning for just over 3 hrs outside on a very cool 14 degree evening and windy. Those kids were so patient. I'm considering getting a VIVO just for fun. How many 1 scoop to 1 cone can the VIVO spin in it's recommended 45 min continuous use before needing to rest and rinse the hopper head?
I spin about 2-3 (1 scoop) cones per minute. Thanks!
Hi the head comes off after every 45 min or when u are completely done
I am planning to start a online cotton candy business which machine should I get I want one that can heat up quick, can use hard candy and I can catch and package with my hand.
The Vivo/Carnival King will work but will take a long time to package. A Gold Medal Whirlwind is best for high volume manufacturing.
What is the difference between the vivo and the vevor? Seems like they are the same but the vevor is a bit cheaper
I don't believe there is much difference. Thanks!
How much of sugar is in that scoop? I’m wondering the total amount of cones I can get from different sized containers of floss online. Like 11oz bottle,16oz jar, etc….
I measured my scoop which holds 1/8 cup
@@yvonnealvord8947 Yeah, that’s what I ended up with pretty much. I scoop is about an ounce. I ended up weighing mine out on a kitchen scale 😂
Does the bubble come with the machine too?
No, you need to purchase it separately.
@@spunparadise8823 Thank you!
What is the fuse knob for?
If the machine draws too much power, it will blow the fuse. The knob is there so you can replace the fuse.
I think I missed it what about the water how did you get the water out of the head of it
Just pour a scoop full of water in the head while it is running with heat on. It evaporates from the head.
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Do I need the netting? It seems it made a bigger mess. And the dome...have it, not sure about it. Seems like all it does it blow cotton candy in my face!
Netting isn't necessary for a Vivo as it disperses cotton candy vertically, not horizontally, which is when you would want a net.
I liked the vivo machine how can i have one
Pls advise me how can i get the machine in Kenya
So I can keep it running, I normally turn it off in between making candy
Yes, you can keep it running.
How much?
If I have two of these do you think I could work them (switching on and off) for an 8 hr event?
Yes, I recommend taking a screw driver and a bowl of water, run one at a time, so when one is "resting" clean it, take off the top plate and soak in water to clean it and then reassemble. That way you are starting again with a clean machine, just keep swapping them out like this and you should be fine.
@@spunparadise8823 excellent thank you! Also, I just bought the econo floss but I should have done more homework. I'm wondering if there's a way to rig it so that it propels the floss vertically? We're wanting to do flowers and other art and what I'm seeing now is that those things are better achieved with the vertical machines. Any advice? What are your thoughts on the econo floss?