Front Wheel Stagger
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- What is front wheel stagger? Does it impact driveability? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Tim answers those questions and more in this guide to front wheel stagger in drag racing.
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before today i had no idea that was done...cleetuss car being built was the only reason i looked this up...i subbed because id like to hear more...
100% same
That was a great explanation of stagger. I’ve heard about it and knew what it was but for some reason I just couldn’t get the picture of how it worked. Your explanation and the pictures made it clear to me now. Thanks again Tim. This video is a prime example of why this channel is so good 💯
Well said,
dead on, on the bracket vs heads up difference.
Took my heads up car bracket racing and stagger kill my reaction time for about a month before I figured out what was going on.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. The simple way to understand stagger is it increases rollout just as a larger diameter tire does. I built a jr dragster with bolt on a-arms that I can shim in 1/8" increments from 0 to 2"(1" each side). It works great for bottom bulb racing the drive just needs to be consistent if he is red we add some stagger if his late take some out. Just another tuning aid but the drivers consistency is still the key. We don't adjust between rounds usually just change to compensate for rollout difference at different tracks.
I just thought when i saw "Front Wheel Stagger", i thought Tim meant obviously just staggered wheels/tires with typically narrower. I appreciate the information.
Tim these are always so good thankyou for sharing the knowledge with us.
Thanks Tim always sound advice keep up the great work and thanks again for helping all of us in the drag racing game 👍🏻
This is amazing can you please never stop giving us this information
I like how you explain the topic in your videos even though I do not race you get a good understanding of what is going on
Keep up the good work with the videos Tim I’ve learned so much watching the videos
Thanks Tim, always great videos 👍
Great explanation! Thanks, Tim.
Stagger makes it more difficult to redlight - it is a big deal
Just great videos! Learning so much and thank-you!
Since everybody can do it, and many do do it, I don't much see the real advantage in any heads up racing. It does complicate the set up for competitors, and may encourage some "out of the box" intentional geometry changes. Any change begets additional changes. Not a fan, but you are not presently building my car- I get it! BTW, excellent explanation- I had encountered "stagger" in circle track racing many years ago and didn't really understand that it was a different animal in 1/8 or 1/4 mile straight line racing.Thanks!
Thx Tim
same word but totally different meaning in circle track cars
Another informative video! Thanks Tim.
Love these videos. Learn so much
Thanks for the info
Stagger is when someone drinks too much Jim Beam or Budweiser. No stagger is Mountain Dew and chocolate milk. Any questions?
Stagger is the difference in tire diameter from right to left.
It's not like difference in tire diameter, but the difference in tire CIRCUMFERENCE. Of course, that might just be the difference in "straight line" and " roundy -rounder " terminology
@@joebobelagotz6278 Roll a Styrofoam coffee cup on the floor. It will roll in a circle. Thank you for correcting terminology the correct word was escaping at the time I wrote this...lol.
@@joebobelagotz6278 it's like wheel base lead as well. you need to set the lead off the trailing arms as they would be in the squat position.
.adjustments for except does radius the with do to nothing had it and ,car wheel open dirt a on was lead set I time only The
Tim if I was running a twin turbo 572 board and sleeved engine with 4 speed powerglide on 37 inch tall tires and just want to run true 1/4 mile above 350 mph would I require a nhra license or have to run the cubic inch size that is in the book
Quicker than 9.99 - 1/4mi
Quicker than 6:39 - 1/8mi
Faster than 135 mph
You need an NHRA license.
As far as the specs you quoted, that sounds confusingly awkward, like a card game you only have 2 cards, 2 dice, 1 chess piece and betting with Monopoly money.
How does this impact the forgiveness on the driver releasing the trans brake early, and having the tire crack and the car move BEFORE the green comes on, but the reward staggered tire is still in the beams? Is it significant?
If there was a Third Beam that detects when a car is staged too deep(over the line), and they used motion detection at the line to trigger the clock and identify 'Jumps'.- Would anyone still build cars with front end stagger? or would that eliminate the advantage?
He’s talkin bout that stagger-swagger!
Thank You!
Nice explanation, just one novice question. Would different sides of the tree make a difference?
It would be the same on both sides of the track. The amount of tire blocking the beam is still the same.
Tim, would it cause you to red-light a fraction less time wise due to staggger allowing you to leave sooner?
That’s kind of what I was thinking.
I would be interested to know why stagger was allowed in the rules to begin with.
I can’t see why the rule wouldn’t just be no stagger allowed.
I would love to know more about engine combos on pro mods.
Supercharger and turbo boost, hp, et and speeds...
Can you do that?
So if you staged crooked in the lanes that would have the same effect?
Tim, where do you adjust the stagger vs adjusting the caster?
What is the bracket attached to the center of the front end , very low on the facia?
You would also get to the finish line 2 inches sooner , Who started this ?
the renault 4 came from the factory with stagger
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension
Does this change Ackermen angle and will any of the other settings have different values L to R ?
No because the steering arm is still the same distance from the suspension pivot
Stagger has a different meaning on dirt track cars. On dirt track cars stagger is the difference in tire size from side to side
This is one of them blinker fluid videos Isn't it?
A question from a novice. when you deep stage the car with stagger, why would you have a slower ET ?
Because you do not have a "running start" like you do when staged shallow. It's only a few inches, but it makes a difference on your time slip.
I also use to wonder about this,when ever John force would deep stage ,Mike Dunn would comment on it hurting his et and mph,but help on his reaction time.
It make sense ,but to an average guy like me,understanding just how fast the cars accelerate in the space of a couple of inches ,hurts my brain.
And I thought for all my life stagger was measured with a tape. The diameter of two tires. What do I know ?
You're for ircle Track racing
Tim does a great job on all his videos. Great insight on these cars for all the "broke-dick" bracket racers like myself haha. Till I hit the lottery anyway....
Does it really matter with ET or Reaction in eliminations? Isn't the winner whoever makes it to the end of the strip first win?
It matters if you're concerned about Lane choice for the next round.
@@SlipFitGarage Does the faster reaction have lane choice? I truly don't know.
@@JDs_RandomHandle
The person with the faster ET from the previous round gets land choice.
And here I thought the stage beam was just infront of the start beam, not breaking the start beam until leaving.
That's a fast spinnin blower.
That's what is called caster
No! Lol
@@magnetic0314 Yes lol
@@MrFosterj caster is the angle of the upright which the hub rotates about. They are moving one wheel forward of the other, not changing the caster
@@lepus6511 caster is the positioning of the upper A arm spindle mounting location to the lower A arm spindle location. So if the upper would be moved forward of the lower position that would be negative caster. I the upper was moved back from the lower mount that's positive camber. I set them all day long on race cars
Only a matter of time before somebody invents an electronically-controlled variable stagger system so that they can change it on the fly.
Ass they say Tims got the runs on the board
(knows his stuff)
GDAY from OZ
Front end stagger=too much alchohol
I think it's called tram
A good driver would run the stagger anyway!
Oooh .. I thought this was about front end swagger..
Anyway this is great information!
328th 👍's up tim thanks for taking the time for us all
Once again, Tim cuts right through the bull and shoots it straight
Why can’t they just “keep it simple, stupid” (KISS )?
It’s as if the racers having nothing better to talk about at the track. It’s best they keep the car symmetric ( same wheel base left and right side ).
This is like male speed swimmers shaving their legs for that edge, much ado about nothing.
If you do 50 things that do not mean much. Chances are one or two of them will make a real difference.
@@thekraken4548 exactly and that's why I'm faster than some guys that run with a lot more money than I can afford. It really hurts their feelings when they get sent home by a guy rolling up with a open deck trailer next to their 18 wheelers 😂
Circle track stagger is tire circumference. We call offset wheelbase leading/trailing a tire.
Useless knowledge post of the day.
So has anyone ever made a reverse stinger in outlaw racing with poorly written rules? Maybe a piece of flat rubber hanging down under the car from the front tires back? Could stage half the car length and never turn the pre stage off lol
That happened by accident at a sand drag track where I used to race. Open rail cars worked normally while rails with bodies had super slow reactions and crazy fast times. Turns out that the track had the staging lights just a bit too high due to the dirt piling up causing the body of the low slung rails to keep it staged.
In other words, you could do it but it is super obvious what is happening. Either you leave way before the green and get a decent reaction time or, you leave with the light and get a slow reaction time and really fast elapsed time.
what he is trying to explain would be wheelbase lead
Yes, fancy cheating
It's not cheating if it's in the rules, you'll never see the real cheating on TH-cam lol
@@rigon63 you're right