Civic Nationalism vs Ethnic Nationalism

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  • @instacollection7116
    @instacollection7116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "Europe isn't a place. never was. Europe is where our people(Europeans) stand together."
    - odin😁

  • @pietro_ferrari
    @pietro_ferrari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Our people are defined by our roots, not by a passport. Our history means more than a document.
    Ave Evropa!

    • @p.f.886
      @p.f.886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      *What makes you European, is the love for Europe. Not your ethnicity.*

    • @p.f.886
      @p.f.886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Frozen Utility nope. Europeans originate from Africa. Homo Sapiens come from Africa. Therefore, the European race is part African

    • @marivsMR
      @marivsMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@p.f.886 Then we all are worms that started in the sea, the question is that as any other species in the world the homo sapiens have been divided by evolution, making the races appear and if we were separated genetically for long enough, we would turn into two different species, unable to reproduce with each other, as has always happen, by the way, the first "men" were not "black", nor white, climates conditions have changed in the last two million years since australopitecus (I don't know how it's written in English)

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what good does pertaining to the "roots" provide? Caring about "ancestry"? A bunch of people who were shitting in caves and would even look at you with absolute distaste or utter panic if we were to time travel them to present days? How pathetic...

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marivsMR And why does it even matter to begin with? Then by that same logic extension we are all genetically different down to the individual level and there is no true set of traits that can objectively unify an entire "race" into one same collective as each one of us consitute our very own individual ""race"": A total of around 7 Billion "races" spread accross the entire world! What you're doing is nothing but playing around with Set Theory to justify why you would not want to socialize with people from a different phenotype set even though people from the exact same race and same populance also do not share the same genetic sequence even between themselves. The only way for that to be ever truely achieved is by artificially producing literal clones of human individuals. We all biologically exist under a spectrum with no clear frontiers between a species and another as genetic encoding changes happen so subtly and slowly and yet so certainly and diverging down to each individual person that none of us truly has an objective fixed and absolute "essence" when it cimes to collective groups. It's the classical Ship of Theseus Dilema being applied over individuals of any given group and where exactly you draw the line between what makes X = Y or X =/= Y and it's also why evolution itself is even the way it is in the first place. Thus there are no "races": Not in any relevant manner outside of the subjective value and definition we abstractly attribute to them, at least. There are only _individuals_ and even then the rabbit hole doesn't end...

  • @thecitizenoftheinternet1077
    @thecitizenoftheinternet1077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Imagine going to Germany and not seeing any Germans. Imagine going to France and not seeing any Frenchmen. Imagine going to England and not seeing any Englishmen.

    • @sye601
      @sye601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You don't have to imagine, just go to the right areas.

    • @azanulbizar12
      @azanulbizar12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Define frenchness. If it's race then you are giving race an essentialist and immutable characteristics (racism, then); if it's culture and participation in legal/civic society then anyone born and grown in France its french. But does that it mean that frenchmen from times previous to the Republic were not french?

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Pan Polski Baaaaahahahahahahahahaha, I gotta love seeing insecure people feeling their existence and identity being defined by something as superficial as the color of a person's skin or a family tree full of portraits and names of people from centuries ago who never got to meet them!

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah... why should I care, though? I don't even care about my native culture to begin with, and I'm not even an European. And people who put too much value on something so superficial as skin color are losers. And people who think an unified Europe will work solely on this basis are goddamn delusional.

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Pan Polski Uhoh, no. I just want people to stop imposing that everyone single one of us has a moral obligation to follow our cultures. I hate my own and I'd do anything for anyone, _including White Europeans,_ to just come over here and wash it all away at once. But of course, _YOU_ won't come here to finish the job, won't you? To fulfill my wish. My vengeful wish against my national flag. You won't come here to bring me "back" to Italy despite my Italian ancestry, will you? No. You want me to be loyal to a bunch of strangers in my own corner of the world. I do not owe anything to anyone because of blood connections. Hell, my very own sister is a shitty person with me and our family. So why should anyone else let themselves be carried away by portraits of people who never ever met them? We _always_ have a final choice of who and who not to follow. Of which identity to set upon ourselves regardless of those around us.
      And what is "race" anyway? A bunch of people who I've never once met in my life? I do not know exactly who my Italian ancestors were and to be honest, I do not care anymore. They made their choice to travel far away from their homeland aswell as their descendants made theirs to abandon Italian culture and customs. Just as I have made mine to dissociate myself from my local culture. A culture that I have never been kin to to begin with. And neither the Italians' aswell. Hell, I do not care about any culture or ethnicity in specific. I just want to be myself. And for some reason, you believe that I owe anything to them despite everything just like any other ethnonationalist, right? By the way, before you say anything, this goes to _EVERY_ ethnicity in the world regardless.
      Collectivism, of any kind, be it either globalist or nationalist, is disgusting. Forced fraternity will always cause conflict. And this includes ethnonacionalism just as much as any other form of "diversity"...

  • @woden5132
    @woden5132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    3:14 "New members welcome."
    No, we've had enough "new members" to Europe and they only end up diluting our culture whether peaceful or not. Catastrophically affects us.

  • @JoseSantos-vd4pg
    @JoseSantos-vd4pg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    The people are the NATION .
    Ethnic Nationalism all the way. Europe needs to remain European.

    • @augustkravtsov
      @augustkravtsov 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But what is the difference between an caucasian european and a european from a different ethnic group?

    • @JoseSantos-vd4pg
      @JoseSantos-vd4pg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@augustkravtsov
      If you aren't Caucasian then it's impossible for you to be European.
      Being European is not about a piece of paper that says your citizenship. It's about blood, tradition and history.

    • @augustkravtsov
      @augustkravtsov 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Rm Man: And how does one's race prevent to have the same tradition and history?

    • @augustkravtsov
      @augustkravtsov 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Barney: My reply was for RM Man.

    • @JoseSantos-vd4pg
      @JoseSantos-vd4pg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@augustkravtsov
      How can you have the same history when your ancestors and your genetics originate from non-European lands? Also non-Europeans that immigrante here and their children mostly identify with their ancestral culture rather then than a European one . They also segregate themselves into their own groups. If everyone could potentially become European then the identity means nothing. Non--whites are not European. If a white guy went to Japan and claimed to be Asian or he went to Nigeria and said he was African he would be laughed at. Why should Europe have different standards than anyone else?

  • @redpillgermany2162
    @redpillgermany2162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I hope the pan european idea gains more members. Extreme civic or extreme ethnic nationalism will not do us any good in the future. I think we need a synthesis of both.

    • @AmericaFirstRifleman
      @AmericaFirstRifleman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've watched your videos over the last couple of years and suspected you were probably an identitarian of some sort but this is the most reason articulation of rehabbing nationalism because I as a black man (usa) believe in nationalism but ethnic nationalism would put me at risk and it wouldn't matter that I served my country in combat or and very patriotic and loyal to the Constitution and the founding fathers this is something identitarians and ethno nationalists like to ignore

    • @NovajaPravda
      @NovajaPravda 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AmericaFirstRifleman How about a racial accelerationist take on ethno nationalism? The idea that you will never be part of the ethnicity and you have to accept that, however your decendent should be part of the ethnicity. So because you are black, you have to accept the fact that you are a black American and that you are not part of the same ethnicity as the white American. Therefore to be integrated into the non-black American community, you must race mix so that your descendents are no longer black. Immigration should be limited to a rate that the nation have enough time to absorb its new members into the ethnicity, and mix racing should be mendatory for immigrants. However, I still believe in a baseline of what kind of immigrants you should get. Like all immigrants must share the religion of the host country.

    • @autumnhomer9786
      @autumnhomer9786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NovajaPravda 🎀It sounds like a great idea but I don’t agree with,”Forced Arranged Marriages.” And what about those people who can’t have children, what are you going to do? Send them back home?🎀

    • @NovajaPravda
      @NovajaPravda 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@autumnhomer9786 You are not forcing them marry anyone. They can choose to be single and don't have any children, but then they will just die out when they die. The only thing immigrants are not allowed to do is to marry people that is their ethnicity and have children.

    • @marivsMR
      @marivsMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NovajaPravda so you are implying that all blacks and Muslims should fuck all our women?? I'd rather a war...

  • @ROMA--AETERNA
    @ROMA--AETERNA 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Good contrasting points between defending your nation & it's sovereignty versus closing off yourself to the world. You still have to trade with & invite international business… but don't let foreigners/non-Citizens buy your sovereign land for residential real-estate!

  • @AwesomeBeatles
    @AwesomeBeatles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please look up Jared Taylor of American Renaissance. Of course he is censored so one would have to go to Bitchute in order to view.

  • @jameslawrence7807
    @jameslawrence7807 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I would class myself as a constitutional patriot, rather than a civic nationalist (although there is a lot in common). Constitutional patriotism allows us to relate to one another by the ideals we share (such as free speech and democracy), regardless of our ethnic background or origin in life. I am also very proud of Europe, our rich culture, shared history, and path towards a united Europe, so I am a European patriot as well.
    I understand why people view themselves as ethnic nationalists (ability to relate to people who act / speak similar to you), but I would prefer we focus on constitutional patriotism and shared history as much as possible at the continental level. Then we can truly be a Europe united (via ideals) in diversity (of ethnicities).
    Ave Europa Nostra Vera Patria!

    • @JacobMaccabee
      @JacobMaccabee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Forget about it. This proposition is absurd, not to mention inherently evil.

    • @jameslawrence7807
      @jameslawrence7807 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What is 'absurd and inherently evil'?

    • @John-bf7ny
      @John-bf7ny 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@jameslawrence7807
      is absurd because there is a contradiction between the european pride that u exhibit and the lack of the white pride.U cannot be sincere saying „I am also very proud of Europe,our rich culture” and in the same time not be racially aware. U cannot be proud of Europe without white pride.Why are u proud of Europe and its civilisation?Because your ancestors, that is the european folks , that is the white folks, built this civilisation and everything that we call today technology.The true european pride is the white pride.

    • @BrockNessMonster1991
      @BrockNessMonster1991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TheBucketSkill - having pride in your European ancestors and their achievements is not the same as taking credit

    • @MrSonyChaos
      @MrSonyChaos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You don't understand, ethnic nationalism is not about a supra-european ethnic identity, it's about the real local identities like bretons, corsicans, welshmen, catalans, umbrians, etc.

  • @clutamustridiavi9149
    @clutamustridiavi9149 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The "white race" is the most divisive concept in Europe today: the british say portuguese aren't "white"; portuguese know they're "white", but say romanians are not; french guarantee they're "white", but say italians not that much; polish are sure of their "whiteness", but believe hungarians are asians; germans believe polish are not even human, let alone "white"; apparently no one gives credits on "whiteness" to the spanish, and scandinavians agree no one is "white" except themselves. Not to mention the fact that one of the most white skinned peoples on earth are the... japanese! Furthermore, as a european, I don't give a damn about "white" americans, "white" australians, or the queen of England, is about EUROPE and EUROPEANS I care for, and about its survival in the next Millenuim (and forever)!

    • @tristanromero6045
      @tristanromero6045 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IDFFereira gypsies de que protestantes de lo cojones Spain is white catholic europeo iberian celtas celtas iberos

    • @otakusanonimos9879
      @otakusanonimos9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IDFFereira e aí,portuga,beleza? Saudações do Brasil

    • @otakusanonimos9879
      @otakusanonimos9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Frozen Utility I've heard that if you are white but were born in Latin America (my case) you are not considered white, but Latin. That's true?

    • @otakusanonimos9879
      @otakusanonimos9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Frozen Utility ok. Thanks. Where are you from?

    • @otakusanonimos9879
      @otakusanonimos9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Frozen Utility th-cam.com/video/aczq2SsuZoQ/w-d-xo.html
      Do you understand Portuguese?

  • @Armando7654
    @Armando7654 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "isolationist"? "supremacist"? What are you talking about! It's neither one nor the other.

  • @kwstadhsdonos9873
    @kwstadhsdonos9873 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ι strongly agree in paneuropaic idea and movement god bless you greetings from greece

  • @Sneedminecraft
    @Sneedminecraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What do you think about third world migration into Europe? And it being mandated for countries by the EU?

    • @renierlindeque9387
      @renierlindeque9387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think is good. Karma I guess . Thanks to colonisation

    • @Sneedminecraft
      @Sneedminecraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@renierlindeque9387 so it’s about ethnic revenge, not about some moralistic, feel-good, myopic reason.

    • @Sneedminecraft
      @Sneedminecraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @stay lit inshallah I will oppose it and you

    • @renierlindeque9387
      @renierlindeque9387 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sneedminecraft ethnic revenge? People go where money is dude

    • @Sneedminecraft
      @Sneedminecraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@renierlindeque9387 Countries have no obligation to let them in

  • @AdamRTNewman
    @AdamRTNewman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess we could also make a point of drawing a conceptual distinction between ethnicity and culture, couldn't we? I imagine many people would value the culture and traditions of their country, without being particularly concerned about the ethnic composition of their country.

  • @goingfreenow3297
    @goingfreenow3297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are talking at both sides of your month. In the first minutes of the video you mentioned nation: a people/folk. Then you mention the nation should be opened to new members from outside). The only members a nation should be open to are their descendants.

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmm, yes, its descendants. But listen here: What if, and I say again, *what if,* someof its ancestors just so happened to migrate to far away to another culture, assimilated into it or simply forgot its native one not many generations and then its current descendants decided that they do not give a fuck about their ancestors' country of origin?

    • @ReasonAboveEverything
      @ReasonAboveEverything 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mekingtiger9095 If they assimilated into it they will soon disappear as a group.

  • @miculp
    @miculp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    man...get a quality recording stuff.thiw sound awfull that i gve up to listen you.

  • @louisferdinand8138
    @louisferdinand8138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. Are you french ?

  • @anyershaman1735
    @anyershaman1735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy seems kinda based ngl

    • @jh5kl
      @jh5kl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no you, he s just being logical

    • @marivsMR
      @marivsMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jh5kl he's being treasonous, a weakness that will cost us to be wiped out from the genetic race that will lead in the end to the destruction of the continent, how naive are all those who think that blacks or Arabs could build or maintain Europa....