There R others; such as Bartitsu; from the Early days; and recently I have peruse German Sword fighting such as:- 'Mensur'. And French Stick Fighting Founded by Pierre Vigny;.....incredibly Rare Stuff.....
The French military are those who introduce the kick in Japanese Karate. It is because of the French instructor who went in Japan to teach the Art of War tp the New Japanese Empire that Karate was brought to the masses.
@humorEmusicao karate de hj nao é o mesmo que tinha antes foi modificado para imitar o boxe quando era popular. Os chutes altos apesar de bonitos sao os menos eficientes em uma briga real em geral, mais arriscados pq demoram mais e tem mais tempo para o oponente bloquear, desviar ou ate pegar a perna. Os melhores chutes que se usaria em uma luta real e seriam no saco e no joelho que sao mais rapidos, faceis, menos arriscados e muito eficientes. Mas fica feio ver chute no saco e no joelho pode lesionar, por isso nas lutas esportivas esses chutes costumam ser proibidos.
@humorEmusica You're claiming savate comes from karate. Where's your evidence? Seems like savate predates the French army trip to Japan, to modernize Japan's army, and it has capoeira's roots.
@humorEmusica Also, it looks like a dance because it´s a "kata" to develop muscle memory. You can say the same thing about other traditional martial arts. However, savateurs spar to pressure test their techniques, as some other martial artists do. EDIT: to clarify my comment.
Apparently some aspects of it. The high kicks appeared in the 20th century and were apparently inspired by savate. The pedagogy and drills were also inspired by it, namely the four faced drills as seen above. The Joinville method got introduced to Japan in the 1870s, and some of karate's pioneers would have been taught the system when serving in the police or the military.
@Mads BG Only, the dril you see above was created in Joinville academy in the early 1850s, before Japan opened up. I would invite you to read the works of Loudcher on this subject. www.researchgate.net/publication/313249708_La_boxe_de_Joinville_a_l%27origine_de_l%27invention_du_karate_moderne_1869-1914_The_French_Joinville%27s_Model_of_Boxing_as_Origin_of_the_Invention_of_the_Modern_Karate_1869-1914
@Mads_BG Toda arte marcial da época parece feia, até sparring de kung fu era tosco...boxing então era só balanço de braço. Hoje vivemos no melhor momento das artes marciais
@humorEmusica Você presume que é melhor que os outros e ainda assim deve copiar o que outra pessoa diz porque não consegue pensar. Pensar é o que os humanos fazem. Copiar é o que os papagaios fazem. Você é um homem ou um pássaro?
@sidesaddleintobattle4984 Re shin kicking, Nottinghamshire (UK) coalminers, who wore heavy wooden clogs with iron toe and heel strips for foot protection, used to fight with them by kicking the bejesus out of the other guy's shins with them...for fun (and money, of course). 😮 And the winner was the guy who remained standing the longest, lol.😊
greenland Back then western boxing, Savate and Wing Chun used very similar punching techniques, with the difference that boxing used hooks. All of them were conceived as bareknuckle arts from the start, after all. It was only after 200 years that boxing started to implement gloves.
Is that any historical prove that Savate founder inspired or took some aspect from Indian Kalaripayattu? Or they're just coincidently similar. Because I believe that modern Karate a.k.a sport Karate definitely took the kicking and kumite style techniques and system from Savate while the bunkai and kata is most likely from Chinese martial arts. And if Kalaripayattu is trully the oldest martial arts form to ever created than it's also possible that Chinese martial arts and Savate gets inspired by it. And it become make sense since French was once posted it's trading company and military (Navy) personnel in India centuries a go.
The "katas" in combat sports always think of dance. That's why my mother did karate in the 80s. Les "katas" dans les sports de combats font toujours pensé à de la danse. C'est d'ailleurs pour ça que ma mère a fait du karaté dans les années 80.
It’s very interesting. There is no real err ‘Yang’ in their training kata. Almost like a tai chi as far as just for exercise and flexibility. Almost no aggressive technique. Almost like a soft style Kung fu. Then again this is an exquisite line dance where everyone is perfectly in time for a demonstration maybe. The real kata might look quite different.
Also keep in mind that these are military exercises so they would take on the aspect of a drill as katas essentially do. Very interesting points you make here.
@@wiwipapillon6928 I mean the answer to there hard shoes kicks to the shin. See as they pull back the foot while leaving the knee forward. That's pretty much how Alex Pereira checks kicks in fact
À l'origine des arts martiaux asiatique n'y avait pas de kata c'était des cours particuliers de maître a élève c'est pour introduire les discipline martial ou sportive que les Japonais très grand copieur utiliser la méthode de Joinville pour créer leur kata maintenant de savoir qui à influencer qui les occidentaux où les asiatiques ça n'a aucune importance car chaque pays a été influencé par des connaissance d'autres pays qu'il ont adapté à leur morphologie et à leur pratique sportive souvent en Occident et Martial souvent en Asie culture différente et surtout plus de conflit dans les pays asiatiques à ces époques ne critique pas ce que vous voyez ce ne sont que des exercices regarder surtout le dynamisme la fluidité dans le travail peu à notre époque serais capable de faire aussi bien
ahhh nous retrouvons nos fameux Alpin , chasseur un jour, chasseur toujours! Vive la France éternelle, fille ainée de l'église!!! A bas celle de Macron!
The German army was training in wrestling and jujitsu from 1907 onwards...for close quarters in the trenches the Germans had the advantage at the start of the war. On open field savate is more effective
@@joaoguilherme9671 nah, just BS ones. I don't find people shootung each other down with early fixed machine gun turrets or long barreled cannons & large explosivez embarrassing. Or fighters slugging it out for 30+ rounds of boxing embarrasing either. When people are training because they have to compete and need real results, things get less silly.
@@boxing.ascetic There are skilled fighters in Savate today. The pair in this video, aren't too strikers though. Whats the relevance of 'average'? We're talking about fighting athletes. The average person couldn't slug it out for 40 minutes in a ring with a fighting athlete. I don't think those in the video could either. It's the ability to fight professional athletes, not flexibility, that makes someone a top striker.
This is very cool, excellent examples of early European Martial Arts Training.
There R others; such as Bartitsu; from the Early days; and recently I have peruse German Sword fighting such as:- 'Mensur'.
And French Stick Fighting Founded by Pierre Vigny;.....incredibly Rare Stuff.....
nice to see non-asian martial arts performing katas, seems like the most reasonable method to teach for massive amount of students
Thanks for uploading. GREAT to see this training.
Chasseurs alpins training savate Very cool footage
I practiced that kick when I was studying martial arts and I never know it was from savate the double kick
savate "kata"
Incroyables ces vidéos !! 👍👍
The French military are those who introduce the kick in Japanese Karate. It is because of the French instructor who went in Japan to teach the Art of War tp the New Japanese Empire that Karate was brought to the masses.
@Mads BG Sorry, I cannot read Monkey.
@Mads BG Please stay online to keep your priority. Your opinion is important to us.
@humorEmusicao karate de hj nao é o mesmo que tinha antes foi modificado para imitar o boxe quando era popular. Os chutes altos apesar de bonitos sao os menos eficientes em uma briga real em geral, mais arriscados pq demoram mais e tem mais tempo para o oponente bloquear, desviar ou ate pegar a perna. Os melhores chutes que se usaria em uma luta real e seriam no saco e no joelho que sao mais rapidos, faceis, menos arriscados e muito eficientes. Mas fica feio ver chute no saco e no joelho pode lesionar, por isso nas lutas esportivas esses chutes costumam ser proibidos.
@humorEmusica You're claiming savate comes from karate. Where's your evidence? Seems like savate predates the French army trip to Japan, to modernize Japan's army, and it has capoeira's roots.
@humorEmusica Also, it looks like a dance because it´s a "kata" to develop muscle memory. You can say the same thing about other traditional martial arts. However, savateurs spar to pressure test their techniques, as some other martial artists do.
EDIT: to clarify my comment.
Thats awesome.
Is Japanese Karate originated from French Savate?
It's so nice to know real history of martial arts.
Apparently some aspects of it. The high kicks appeared in the 20th century and were apparently inspired by savate. The pedagogy and drills were also inspired by it, namely the four faced drills as seen above. The Joinville method got introduced to Japan in the 1870s, and some of karate's pioneers would have been taught the system when serving in the police or the military.
@Mads BG Only, the dril you see above was created in Joinville academy in the early 1850s, before Japan opened up. I would invite you to read the works of Loudcher on this subject. www.researchgate.net/publication/313249708_La_boxe_de_Joinville_a_l%27origine_de_l%27invention_du_karate_moderne_1869-1914_The_French_Joinville%27s_Model_of_Boxing_as_Origin_of_the_Invention_of_the_Modern_Karate_1869-1914
@Mads_BG Toda arte marcial da época parece feia, até sparring de kung fu era tosco...boxing então era só balanço de braço. Hoje vivemos no melhor momento das artes marciais
@Mads_BG pourquoi considérez-vous les français de cette époque comme des fous, d'où venez-vous ?
@humorEmusica Você presume que é melhor que os outros e ainda assim deve copiar o que outra pessoa diz porque não consegue pensar. Pensar é o que os humanos fazem. Copiar é o que os papagaios fazem. Você é um homem ou um pássaro?
Thank you.
Never underestimate the shin kick or a kick in the balls
@sidesaddleintobattle4984 Re shin kicking, Nottinghamshire (UK) coalminers, who wore heavy wooden clogs with iron toe and heel strips for foot protection, used to fight with them by kicking the bejesus out of the other guy's shins with them...for fun (and money, of course). 😮 And the winner was the guy who remained standing the longest, lol.😊
Nice.
a type of kata?
it looks like Wing Chun punch.
greenland Back then western boxing, Savate and Wing Chun used very similar punching techniques, with the difference that boxing used hooks. All of them were conceived as bareknuckle arts from the start, after all. It was only after 200 years that boxing started to implement gloves.
Sourthen kungfu
Is that any historical prove that Savate founder inspired or took some aspect from Indian Kalaripayattu? Or they're just coincidently similar. Because I believe that modern Karate a.k.a sport Karate definitely took the kicking and kumite style techniques and system from Savate while the bunkai and kata is most likely from Chinese martial arts. And if Kalaripayattu is trully the oldest martial arts form to ever created than it's also possible that Chinese martial arts and Savate gets inspired by it. And it become make sense since French was once posted it's trading company and military (Navy) personnel in India centuries a go.
DANCE DE COMBAT?
Actually it's a very effective style that beats thai fighters often
@@OnyxXThePunch savate is very cool
@@OnyxXThePunch yeah sure...
The "katas" in combat sports always think of dance. That's why my mother did karate in the 80s.
Les "katas" dans les sports de combats font toujours pensé à de la danse. C'est d'ailleurs pour ça que ma mère a fait du karaté dans les années 80.
It’s very interesting. There is no real err ‘Yang’ in their training kata. Almost like a tai chi as far as just for exercise and flexibility. Almost no aggressive technique. Almost like a soft style Kung fu.
Then again this is an exquisite line dance where everyone is perfectly in time for a demonstration maybe. The real kata might look quite different.
Also keep in mind that these are military exercises so they would take on the aspect of a drill as katas essentially do. Very interesting points you make here.
Interesting that they seem to be checking kicks
They are no kick checks. They are hard shoes kicks to the shin. A proper technique
@@wiwipapillon6928 I mean the answer to there hard shoes kicks to the shin. See as they pull back the foot while leaving the knee forward. That's pretty much how Alex Pereira checks kicks in fact
@@matheuscerqueira7952 you may be right
Reverence 🤩
Rabbi Jacob?
À l'origine des arts martiaux asiatique n'y avait pas de kata c'était des cours particuliers de maître a élève c'est pour introduire les discipline martial ou sportive que les Japonais très grand copieur utiliser la méthode de Joinville pour créer leur kata maintenant de savoir qui à influencer qui les occidentaux où les asiatiques ça n'a aucune importance car chaque pays a été influencé par des connaissance d'autres pays qu'il ont adapté à leur morphologie et à leur pratique sportive souvent en Occident et Martial souvent en Asie culture différente et surtout plus de conflit dans les pays asiatiques à ces époques ne critique pas ce que vous voyez ce ne sont que des exercices regarder surtout le dynamisme la fluidité dans le travail peu à notre époque serais capable de faire aussi bien
ahhh nous retrouvons nos fameux Alpin , chasseur un jour, chasseur toujours! Vive la France éternelle, fille ainée de l'église!!! A bas celle de Macron!
Ballet?
The "katas" in combat sports always think of dance. That's why my mother did karate in the 80s.
I'll bet this worked great in the trenches.
Bro you can front leg side kick them then use your weapon!
@@IgnatiusCheese why not use your weapon first? and I wouldn't recommend a side kick in a muddy trench.
@@brucegrit8928 yes you can use yours weapons but the trenches have very strict spaces.
@@darkdarkpawer that's why a trench knife would be more appropriate wouldn't it?
Слава Тебе Господи! Что Галлы сохранили Сават!
Интересно а Германцы сохранили? Свой вид борьбы под названием Прусская Система Гимнастики.
french touch
The German army was training in wrestling and jujitsu from 1907 onwards...for close quarters in the trenches the Germans had the advantage at the start of the war. On open field savate is more effective
bullet don't give a damn about martial arts
@@russel_222
You’re right but if the rare occasion of hand to hand fighting happens I think the German army had a good grounding
@@russel_222 Agree, plus you got those chemical weapons being deployed back then.
How wonderfully camp.
Do not mess with a frenschman unless you are a Taekwon Do master.
Taekwon Do master, you said ? C'mon, just a decent boxer or wrestler.
прикольные танцы
Wdym this is "awesome" and "great" this is goofy as shit🤣
Embarrassing.
It does not look serious at all
All martial art records from this epoche are embarrasing
@@joaoguilherme9671 nah, just BS ones. I don't find people shootung each other down with early fixed machine gun turrets or long barreled cannons & large explosivez embarrassing. Or fighters slugging it out for 30+ rounds of boxing embarrasing either.
When people are training because they have to compete and need real results, things get less silly.
@@boxing.ascetic There are skilled fighters in Savate today. The pair in this video, aren't too strikers though.
Whats the relevance of 'average'? We're talking about fighting athletes. The average person couldn't slug it out for 40 minutes in a ring with a fighting athlete. I don't think those in the video could either. It's the ability to fight professional athletes, not flexibility, that makes someone a top striker.
Чё вы все не по русски пишите?я вас нихера не понимаю.
Por que além de maioria dos países não usarem o alfabeto cirilico, o algoritmo do YT trouxe mais gente falante do inglês