Where is the NEW Thunderbird?
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- Thunderbird promised a redesign. It has been released. But most don't have it yet.
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Matt i check manjaro and nixos, and it is version 102.. but it is in Arch, it is in a beta on any other distro
As with any major release, we sometimes become aware of corner cases after significant public testing. The Thunderbird team will wait to enable automatic updates -- and publish the 115 Flatpak -- until we’re confident no such issues exist. Having said that, we're not yet seeing any critical bugs that would prevent wide distribution. But please realize this is done out of an abundance of caution and respect for our users. We're as eager to put this in your hands as you are to start using it.
@@Batwam0 I already have it and I like it.
115.0b6 (64-bit) for me here on Debian. Of course, I'm cheating a bit by running Sid and using the experimental repo. It is nice. However, it IS in the Arch repo since 2023-07-17
At this point one may might as well run Arch
@@Little-bird-told-me As I do on several systems I have (non of which are virtuals). I rarely (if ever) venture outside either of these 2 distros. No reason to. That said, Debian has been running my home server for many years and I introduce as an alternative server OS at my places of employment whenever I have the chance to do so.
I definitely noticed. I've been looking for a new email client and figured that the new Thunderbird would be ideal, but still can't get it even in the Flatpak version. Like you said, very odd for such a hyped release.
I use geary on gnome or kmail on KDE. Thunderbird is cool though.
I already have it, since yesterday.
I have it since 10 days ago. What are you guys on? 😂
You can't blame the Thunderbird devs for it not being in the Arch or OpenSUSE or whatever repo as they don't control that. It's weird they haven't pushed the new version to Flathub as they do control that.
Sometimes EXPECTATIONS will cause you stress.
It's available on Nix package manager right now. That's my current favorite way to install stuff.
I don't know why it took this long this time. Maybe there are big changes in the background and they needed time to update. Arch took a whopping weak or so until it finally reached the stable branch. We talk about Arch! If they don't have it, you can't expect the rest of the world would.
The Ubuntu snap is still candidate. You can see they've already patched it twice. Must not be stable enough to release to the Linux masses?
The new Thunderbird is nothing you wish for. Instead of making it easier and easier, it becomes more and more complicated.
They just only want to show how big their balls are.
Thats it.
My 2 cents. I think a mid-summer release date is a bad idea. In the Northern Hemisphere people are on vacation and/or taking care of kids that are at home for the summer. It may be a reason things lag a bit.
just happens today that i logged into my void laptop, did my regular updates and boom there it is, thunderbird 115.
also i've seen the package available in alpine linux
oh in nutyx it's also available
Yep, sitting here on Debian Stable using the Thunderbird Flatpak and its still 102. I remember seeing someone on Twitter last week say they were hoping for a Thursday release for the Flatpak version but here we are a week later with no 115.
I've been told on someone who I think is a Thunderbird dev that it will be early August.
Sounds like a case of the marketing people getting ahead of the package maintainers. Also, can I just say that I kind of hate this trend of online articles hyping things up/announcing things, and then those things aren't even available for a long while, or not for everyone? My opinion is, tell me when it IS ready.
Nix unstable does have it if anyone is curious
I just looked and it's on a stable channel as well.
Wow it’s not even on Debian Sid. It is on Debian experimental.
Rant on Brother! 🤘
I got 115.0.4 on my Arch install and Arcolinux one too.
LLAP 🖖
well i downloaded the tarball and there is no UI update....
Thunderbird should just waited until the flatpak version is updated, before they officially released it.
I used thunderbird for a hot second but then tried Geary and haven't looked back. Just a simpler interface that didn't remind me of Outlook.
Whatevs. I've had the new version of Thunderbird since 2023-08-05. My fave distro has a mere thimbleful of maintainers and they pushed it out to the repository right quick.
Matt, it's not just you. Just finished an article about this very topic for my work. Very frustrating handling of the release by the Thunderbird team. Linked to your video in the article, recommending users watch it for more info.
Nix package manager has the new version of Thunderbird.
This is not the first time Mozilla does it with Thunderbird, I stopped caring last time.
i have been using mailspring for the past couple years now. Thunderbird (the old one) was so slow and sluggish and a pain to setup.
It shouldn't take this long to refactor an email client in 2023.
I was a bit disappointed that with all this hype Flatpak and AUR were forgotten. I agree, Matt! No problem other than hype without roll out.
Thunderbird was doing the same thing for their Android version which still has very slow development, no real changes, and still is K-9 not Thunderbird. With the development being as slow as it is I'm not sure I'm going to even attempt to use their Android version I'll stick with what they should have bought Fairemail.
I've tried using Thunderbird several times the past few years and it ALWAYS tells me there's a password issue. There's no friggin' password issue. I'm setting it up correctly according to directions, but it just fails, fails, fails so I've sworn it off.
I used to have this problem a few years ago but have not encountered it for a while, on both windows and linux, on 2 separate laptops. Maybe give it another shot?
Distrobox.
I hadbthe same experience yesterday. "On arch it is available" I seen it when I dicked around in it.
thunderbird 115.0 (64-bit) in voidlinux repos.
Don't know if this is the case for all distros but on Gentoo at least it's being held back because apparently it becomes difficult or impossible to downgrade without losing your whole profile once you use the new version.
In my limited experience with Gentoo, stuff lags behind there significantly. I was waiting for the 6.4 kernel (which I needed for my hardware) and while Arch already had like 6.4.3 or something, I had to unmask the kernel to even be able to use the 6.4 kernel on Gentoo - even after it was officially released. I guess they were doing a lot of testing
@@MH_VOID In the case of kernels it's Gentoo's policy to only mark the LTS versions as stable. Gentoo distinguishes between 'testing' and 'masked', where testing usually means it's probably fine and you can use them if you want, but they're not confident enough to mark it as stable yet; whereas 'masked' is something you really shouldn't use. The newer mainline kernel versions are testing; the new Thunderbird is masked.
@@cluesagi Wait seriously?? ... I wish they fucking said that instead of my waiting around for it be marked as stable before giving up in disgust and going back to Arch
You can install thunderbird 115 with Mozilla's "thunderbird-next" PPA.
Although, I'm not sure how long they have had 115 available. It was just updated to 115.1.0 August 6th so 115.0.x could have been up for a while.
It's in flatpak now, it just took them a month
It's the clunky email client of all time. 115 will have to be some Red Sea type of miracle to be acceptable.
Its fine.
You're video is a bit too long for the purpose, and making it a bit shorter would have reached more people, that's the only shame. But the its content is useful and the feedback you're giving it's precious, and the fact you are doing it because you care comes through. Don't understimate the power of your contribution. I say this because you help even non-nerdy people in understanding what's going on with the release.
I noticed the icon change after an update about 2 days ago. It looks nice, but not as major an overhaul to the UI as I was expecting.
I use arch btw
Have you enabled Vertical view and Cards mode?
@@thunderbirdproject I've always set the view as vertical on every install. But this new cards mode is a great improvement readability and space usage. Thanks for the tip, and thanks for your work!
@TheLinuxCast The most polite rant ever lol
I have been using the tarball version of firefox and thunderbird for a longgg time 🙂
Recall the news last week that Linux is 3% of the market. Why would the Thunderbird team sacrifice their other users for 3% and that flatpak which probably has a fraction of that?
I'd guess, and again it's a guess, that 90% of their users are on Linux. Windows users don't use Thunderbird, they use Outlook.
It is just an email client so I really don't care. I noticed that it has updated just after this video :D
I am super annoyed by this as well. I'm still using the old thunderbird with a GUI from 1988. Does it really matter? Not really. Is it mildly infuriating? Yes.
I have this version as at 23-11-2023 115.5.0 (64-bit)
Is that good?
neomutt, the only client one need.
I totally agree with all you said. I too was looking forward to the new version, that did not happen. Maybe some day we will see it .
I have got the new version, I'm on Windows and It came as an automatic update
I like the look.
But the Tabs at the top for each message drive me crazy, I can see my email accounts on the left hand panel
If you really want it now, the Nix package manager has it and will work with any distribution.
It took some time to get to arch too. But now that I have it, gotta say its pretty cool, I defently changed from mailspring to this new thunderbird
just worked on my mac
i use thunderbird in Archlinux thunderbird 115.0-4
Download the tar file, it works. By the time you made this video you could be using it. Takes 3 minutes to install and get linked up and working
I'm aware, but it's the principle of hyping something up and then slow rolling the release.
You didn't watch the video, did you?
The one time macOS and Windows had an easier time installing new software lol.
I'm running 102.13.0 (64-bit), I guess I'm waiting on 115?
Hey man, can I ask you which browser are you using?
Vivaldi
Im using it now...
*I use Arch* _by the way_ , so i don't know what you are talking about :) sorry had to rub it in
TY
Give Mozilla a break, they're open source! That said, I really want to see Thunderbird create a accompanying web app for firefox that would allow me to answer business email along with personal email. OK, I have to work and work uses Microsoft, OWA no longer supports adding business email as of 2018.
When I'm working from home I'm usually on "Firefox," I would love it if Thunderbird would add an accompanying web app to facilitate this. Yeah! for this I would donate.
[Title] Where is the NEW Thunderbird?
Where is Debian 12 still FREE/FOSS ???
For anyone wondering, it is on Gentoo but you have to jump through some hoops to get it.
That should be Gentoos slogan
On Thunderbird 115.9 and it looks like crap warmed over. In 2023/4, there are absolutely beautiful UI examples across multiple use cases. No reason for T to look so bad. Proportions are off, themes available look unexciting, the top bars are cluttered .... Good design does NOT have to take a back seat to functionality.
If I could do some programming, I would take the time to do something about it, but I don't how to do a UI design. But to paraphrase and with apologies to Justice Potter Stewart ... I may not be able to define crap design, but I know it when I see it.
On NixOS you can have it easily 😁
Downloaded and installed T-Bird beta into subdir of home dir, it auto-updates w/o OS package manager, used new design for several months (and encountered some nasty bugs since it's beta)
Very valid complaint. They have little control over the distro native packages, but they should have had the Flatpak and Snap ready to go before announcing.
Thunderbird 115 is alright. Nothing too exciting compared to MailBird GUI. Gorgeous.
I did a linux test last week with debian 12 and knew that the new version of Thunderbird would come out around Tuesday, went through the whole week waiting for it to come out bit it never did
this just proves that: Arch is the way!
What I miss (from Thunderbird authors) the most, is complete walk through of the new UI to serve users like me to get familiar with that.
Actually it was my reason to come here (and now I see, it is not about what is new, but where is the new).
I saw complaints about ”feature X being broken in thunderbird” and looking at the screenshot I forgot what their issue was but remember that they had completely different looking thunderbird.. on windows. I wonder if Mozilla once again deprioritizes Linux users - but not prioritizing windows would pose the risk of another windows user switching to proprietrary email client so I’m fine waiting a bit more
Nope, we definitely don't de-prioritize Linux. A good majority of our core team are Linux users. And to be fair, we haven't enabled manual OR automatic updates for macOS or Windows users, either :D
Ha, dude, you are awesome... :)
Lets be honest, the Windows version will probably be up to date! And the Mac version (if such a thing exists) and that is where the bulk of their users are (Windows + Mac). Updating the flatpak version first would have been my pick that way all Linux users "Could" gain access to it, if only because some of us hate arch!!!!
I'm also disappointed but also happy, because it breaks several of my beloved extensions 😕
Void linux has 115
You are spot on. All this nonsense about QA I read below: you shouldn't even talk about release before QA is finished. Mozilla: we accept it as the free toy with your cereal. But no one really likes the toy.
And still include telemetry, both in FF and in Tbird. When will our moral horseriders start challenging Mozilla on that? No, it is open source! Yeah, duhh.
Even your rants are informative. Thanks!
I never got it on Arch and I thought it was a Flatpak exclusive update. Ironically I just checked the repo and now it is on the Arch repo
1:15 Like you weren't already terminally online?
... But I want it 😢
Funny, I just updated my Thunderbird and got 116.0b5. Doofus me forgot I'm on the Beta channel. :)
Waiting with anticipation on the new version...
How does he get this DE to look like this?
Time and effort. And stealing judiciously from others greater than me.
Didn't know they borked the launch this much. That sucks because it is a good update. Great even.
A bit slow until the stable release came to Arch but it wasn't more than 5-7 days.
Anyway, hope you change your mind when it comes because it is worth at least a look at.
I've been running the nightly (Arch) for a couple of weeks. Its pretty slick, much better. I just hate that most of my add ons don't work with the new release, once the add ons catch up, it'll be better.
AUR has i9t already.
I think NixOS does have the latest version. Can't you install a Nix package on another distro? I'm not an expert though so don't take my word for it lol.
I can, but I can't stand how it messes with your PATH variables.
@@TheLinuxCast Nix in a VB... maybe :)
That's why I always use the tarball. Because always the latest😉 Matt the elitist😜
Yea I had to install it from tarbz so sad and they wonder why they can not make money
I think it will be a week (at least) after the release before it is available as a package everywhere. It is disappointing that Mozilla didn't put it in flatpak.
I got it early on my home PC where I use Arch by getting from the testing repo. Like he said in the video, it is released officially in Arch now.
On KDE Neon, my work laptop, I tried the snap version but it did not read my existing profile. I'm not sure if it's because it is a pre-release snap or because snaps just don't use the same profile space.
I ended up doing what you said which was download the tar.xz, extract it and move the extracted thunderbird directory to /opt as well as setting up the desktop file and symlinking to /usr/local/bin. However, thunderbird installed like this does not read my existing profile (just like the snap version). So, I'm still waiting for the official release. If it was in the mozilla ppa, that would be great.
It's up in Arch.
The UI still sucks!
I just installed it through Distrobox, and I have to say, kinda agree.
Yes, I noticed that too (and I thought it was just me being a tad on the nerdy side). I'm using the Flatpak variant of Thunderpants and thus given the previous hype, I was also starting to think that it was a little curious that the 'latest and greatest' had not yet appeared. PS There's absolutely nothing wrong with making the occasional rant video! Hey, I'm Scottish; ranting is our preferred pass time (particularly so after strong whisky, of course)!! 😀 😀
Relax! It's only been a few days, I'm sure it'll be on flathub soon. Also rolling release does not necessarily mean bleeding edge software. Maybe arch isn't so bad after all? Haha sorry I couldn't resist. :D
Jason Evangelho left "Linux for Everyone" (a great channel) to go to work for Thunderbird to apply his special brand of propaganda he learned at Forbes. I suspect he over promised and the developers under delivered.
Thunderbird don't control the distro which who is holding back the release. Get mad at them.
Oh, so distros control the flatpak? Nope. Watch the video in full before you comment next time
I too looked for this 2 days ago! I feel your pain. I use thunderbird daily, so I was eager to see the new features. Mozilla needs to get it out there...now.