my question is if i throw it infront of me, i have the ball spinning in my hand, then i stutter step 4 times, then i grab it to my other hand, then take my 2 steps, is those stutter steps legal, because techniqally its still a live dribble, because its spinning, but thats confusing me
Eckon Lets keep it simple: when your hand goes under the ball, you can have two steps at that point. At no point can you "self pass" the ball, like throw it forward and then go get it. You can stutter step, crossover, moonwalk or whatever you want lol as long as you don't put your hand under the ball (which I see so many players do in league play and streetball and then they argue if you call it)
It feels like his entire offense is centered around exploiting rules. His step back, his foul draws. Like I get it, use what you can to your advantage but I never liked people who did that type of thing. It bothers me even more because he’s so good to begin with without resorting to those things
Millicente I've never been a big fan of that style of play either. Paul Peirce used to do the same thing a lot with drawing fouls. In some ways I respect it and understand why they do it, but it's never been a way I wanted to play, especially with constantly trying to draw fouls. To each their own though!
+Kryptonian Crip Exactly, so you'd be one of the type of people to do it. I just wouldn't. Call it old fashioned or call it stupid or call it whatever you want to but I don't believe in nor particularly like the idea of doing things like that.
My thoughts exactly. There are people in my league like this, drives me nuts. They are so good yet they try to exploit everything to win. They beg for calls, cry on every call...it's just dirty.
Referees haven't gotten worse, it's just the scrutiny that the NBA gets increases over the years. Instant replay is getting better and more people are analyzing/studying the game.
Great explanation! Basically, Harden exploits the rule that makes most of the 2-step layup legal. Without 0 step rule, all those fast-break dunks probably will be travel
Breaking news, The NBA has made new rules in the game. One of this rules is: James Harden's step back no matter how many times he does it, it's still legal. No other players can do this legally but James Harden. Reason for this is because he's James Harden. I think I'm on drugs, send help pls.
Dumb AF. "If the hand isn't under the ball or you don't have two hands on it then the steps aren't counted" ... ok someone tell Giannis to just palm the ball then run around with it.
@Malik Will I understand exactly what you said, and exactly what the rule states. I've played for years, the issue with the game is that the rulebook definitions are stupid AF, case in point.
voetbal12 if you played for years it makes sense. The hand placement itself is just part of it. I can tell you haven’t put in the time in they gym to drill the footwork necessary to pull these moves off. I can’t even count all the hours I put in drilling the eurostep and stepbacks the first month I tried to learn it. People who call travel r casual fans who don’t put in the work to learn the moves.
It's not a travel in the NBA because the NBA uses the 0 step. High school & NCAA don't incorporate the 0 step in the definition of a travel. You should clarify that this is not currently a legal move in any league other than the NBA.
my thoughts exactly lol, other league players don't be copying that haha. they say nba is the top bball org, maybe it is but with shitty rules and refs lmao.
That’s not true. The rule is the same in all levels, from middle school to the NBA. There is a gather step in almost every lay up. There are some differences in other rules, such as in FIBA vs the American rules regarding the pickup of the pivot foot, but gathering the ball was allowed in every level I’ve played.
@@Thistlebee what don't you get about it? you can gather and go in any direction. For a step back, you are just going backwards instead of forward for a layup. Just watch a bunch of tutorials on how to perform the stepback online and it will sink in. I've spent countless hours in the gym practicing these specific moves so that they become natural to me, but it will feel weird to you the first time you are learning, sort of like learning a new style of dance. It's just advanced footwork and timing your dribbles. Most regular people who never play but watch it on TV can't understand it, but if actually want to get good at it, then practice it over and over.
In high school you are allowed a gather step, but you don't get 2 additional steps after gathering. Taking 2 steps after picking up your dribble is a travel.
@@GetHandles Coach, let me ask you this. If that first step is 0 step or gather step, that means he's allowed to take two more steps. Ok so what if he made those two steps, after the hop, towards the basket instead of away from basket? You can't convince me that travel depends on the direction of the movement, so I'd be very interested to see re-make of this same thing but with forward movement after the gather step. I honestly think anyone trying to prove that was legal would be insane,but please prove me wrong.
srki zen I don't think they call the travel going forward either. watch some of these layups on fast breaks at times. th-cam.com/video/245dWr937jQ/w-d-xo.html first dunk here. it looks like the worst travel of all time. it actually isn't. slow it down. 0,1,2. its the same idea, timing of when the hand goes under the ball. you probably aren't going to see this type of move going forward just bc you simply have a defender that you aren't creating space from, which is the purpose of james hardens move. but on layups, you see it all the time, just like harden, sometimes they miss it.
But, this zero step was implemented in the NBA in 2009, so I can see why people can see it as a travel. It's not a travel.in the NBA because they altered the rules. But, in basketball it is a travel.
Mark, could you cite the rule change and provide a link so we can look it up? The 2013-14 rules (www.nba.com/media/dleague/1314-nba-rule-book.pdf) make no mention of this. Nor do current Misunderstood rules, including on Travel, which addresses these issues: www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html
the gather step has been around much longer than 2009 tho. its just really easy to talk about it as a zero step which has been more recent and I guess from what you are saying 2009. watch 90's clips Jordan, ewing, and others. they all use the same step patterns used today. there are just some new moves like euro step that show the evolution of the game. nba is basketball, there are just different rules. ncaa has this rule technically too. they just allow one step after the zero/gather step. or they did allow one step. at times it seems two steps are taken, like on layups and such. I don't watch much college tho so I maybe wrong on these rules.
This is great demo I am a dad of a six grader and share this with him as he plays basketball on his school team. I appreciate the effort you make in putting this video together. Thanks for all you do.
Glad you found it helpful. Keep in mind this not something I recommend players his age do since most refs aren't aware of the gather step and live dribble rules, or leagues simply don't have those rules.
So u teaching ur son 0 steps is he going to learn some of the hardest cross overs next I'm sorry sir but they are there to play a game not demolish a kids ankles and finish on him
It's a travel now ruled a non-infraction in an era of NBA basketball more concerned with entertainment and catering to divas than maintaining the integrity of the game. Truth hurts, get over it.
Brock Barber even when the rule wasn’t enacted it wasn’t called a travel. Players travel going to the basket all the time but all of NBA history they never called it. So stop saying this “era” this is always how it was.
Let me clear it up i am a referee at a amateur grown man league and Harden's step back or euro step is not a travel.How? If you coukd actually see the rule book of the referees you can take a thousand steps but the you are not allowed to touch the ball for it to be legal. Now people keep saying he took three steps while holding the ball. Wrong its all about the timing the refs discussed this about the zero step we even watched Harden's move and played it at . 25 speed at just before harden touches the ball he already took a step. Its always about the timing but sometimes harden still has a wrong timing but doesn't get a call cause the refs are already used to it. You can criticize harden's work ethic its absolutely incredible
I started playing basketball in 1995, I call it travel. BUT US basketball evolves, I don't ref any pick up games, so I can do as much back steps as I want, and get away with it because they are amazed of my step back travelling technique. I always die laughing inside on how ridiculous the rules are nowadays.
Pretty clear. Sometimes the "both-hands-gathering-the-ball" moment and the "zero step" both happen so fast you can't really tell which one takes place first..
SUPER SAIYAN CURRY no, curry fucked himself with the Stutter step THEN he took a step back he says it in the interview afterwards. He said he took a step then he decided it wasn’t enough space so he took another.
@@CeejayTXDS you wanna know what the problem is with that perspective? the refs are not going to review every "stutter step" that Harden does. So it's going to end up being ridiculous to see what Harden gets away with compared to other players. That's why they should start calling it a travel or else you are going to end up having a playoff series fucked up because of a missed foul call...
SUPER SAIYAN CURRY they’ve called that on harden when he does what curry did. Which isn’t often. Curry literally stopped thought about it then took a bigger step back. He just got mad because he THOUGHT he’d get away with it
NBA : NOT Basketball, Actually NBA is entertainment not basketball. When Coach K. wanted to prepare his NBA squad to play in the Olympics he had referees use real rules. there were 6 travelling calls in the first half and none of the NBA players knew what they did wrong. The question is when does one's dribble end? NBA does not want to define that and will continue to allow their moneymakers to do what ever they want.
ABSOLUTELY, The NBA today is just like The WWE or any other t.v wrestling show it's entertainment and I blame that on all the rich people and corporations in the world who control the narrative they don't want to see any competition just high scoring they have destroyed the beauty of the game just like they have for the NFL ....no defense allowed no hard hitting allow jusr offense because they don't want their children that they pay $250 a seat and another $200. dollars in food and apparel exposed to such violence BUT AFTER THE GAME IS OVER THEY TAKE THAT SAME KID HOME AND HE RUNS INTO HIS AND SHUTS THE DOOR AND PLAYS A VIDEO THAT 3 TIMES HORRIFYING!!!!!
John Orr Fiba has specific rules to them about traveling is and isn’t. Nearly every other professional or organized basketball league uses the same rules as the NBA.
Thanks for going over it. The way I was taught is the pick up the ball stuff and stepping is when you are heading towards the basket for a layup. It all still loooks like travelling to me watching Harden. But I'm old, hahaha.
I've heard BS, but this total BS. The NBA is rationalizing the rules because players are traveling all over the place. If they go after Harden then they will have to go after Lebron who walks all the way to the basket and they are too chicken to call them out as long as the money keeps rolling in...
This is so true.. Just like in the UFC, where McGregor does inappropiate stuff outside the ring too (like attacking his opponents' bus) for which he should be FOREVER banned, but doesn't get anything, since he earns so much money and media attention for the UFC
the real problem of nba is that they stop calling travel on superstar ANYMORE.... like Lebron's completely and obviously three steps after gathering layup or anything like that.
I appreciate your information! I am trying to learn so that I understand my son's games. Never really payed much attention to basketball before and watching his games see so much "traveling. " This video has really helped me understand the zero step and "gather." If I may... I wish you followed through a little more. 9ver and over you demonstrated the gather and then just stopped. It was confusing for a beginner because I didn't understand what happened just before and just after.
Yeah um his hand is on the side of the ball if you can’t see. So the dribble is not dead. Dribble dies once he puts both hands on the ball. While he gathers the ball he steps at the same time. That’s called a gather step, zero step, whatever. Rule implemented since 2009. Then it’s 2 steps after that. Conclusion: no travel
It probably is a travel, but there's a better way of it not being a travel by using a hop-step. Instead of the 2nd and 3rd step being planted individually, they are planted at the same time, then those 2 steps are considered one step.
The NBA refs are much different from high school and rec league officials. Those amateurs call stuff based on the two step rule. A pro ref wouldn't call most pros for travelling. These guys practice 8-10 hours a day everyday on moves, shots and dribbling to perfection.
It seems to me like it’s picking up a pivot foot a couple times. As soon as both of your hands touch the ball one foot is still on the ground and then you step two more times.
Young_king when someone does a step back, one of your feet will be your pivot foot you are not supposed to be allowed to move your pivot foot anymore. So how come Harden can still do another step back after that, he basically move both his feet. RIDICULOUS.
It's definitely a travel. When both hands hit the ball the pivot foot is established, and then he re-establishes with his back foot...if you leave your pivot foot you have to shoot the ball before you hit the ground again. Definitely a travel.
so you're saying if you're running on a fast break and you take two steps after you put both hands on the ball to shoot a layup it's a travel, because you left your pivot foot? Not sure how you can say it's definitely a travel.
@ZW this kind of stuff is the reason why I have such a hard time watching today's league. It's definitely a travel. This zero step rule is bullshit! A step is a step,pure and simple. I've been watching the nba for over 60 years now and i just can't believe how much it has changed for the worse. Skill sets and IQs have dropped to an all time low!!!
Actually, this is a good explanation of how recent rule changes in the NBA (the hand positioning on the ball piece esp), which were of course meant to help the offense and increase scoring, have had an impact on the game. So basically, a lot of Harden's step back 3s that LOOK like travelling actually are not based on those rule changes. However, and as you briefly eluded to, he still does travel... and to be honest probably on at least 25% of those shots... but the refs don't call it because, 1) they dont see clearly enough or 2) the Harden factor is in play (meaning, his entire game clearly gets blatant preferential treatment from the zebras... Harden recently eclipsed Lebron James to become the "leader" for this dubious distinction). Now, with that out of the way, could you please do a video explaining why Harden's blatant offensive fouls are almost never called as such? If you watch him closely, he uses his non-dribbling hand to literally shove the defender a few feet away, given them a choice of giving him an uncontested shot or likely getting a defensive foul called for either bumping him or not giving him room to land. This blatant cheat move is by far the most egregious in the history of sports! Not only does he do it (and get away with it) multiple times per game, but on many of them, he commits this foul multiple times. Last night vs GS in game 4, he literally committed 3 offensive fouls and traveled (none called of course) during 1 shot attempt and ended up not only scoring a bucket that should have never even been taken, but also got a +1 foul on the GS defender. This joke is frankly making the NBA unwatchable. So, would really like to hear an explanation on why you think they are allowing him to do this. btw, if it were actually legal, everyone would be doing it right? but aside from Lebron, Chris Paul, the greek freak and a few others, you dont see it, at least not nearly to the ridiculous degree that JH does it.
I agree with you that Harden's arm bar *sometimes* should be an offensive foul. However, the reason he doesn't get called for it is because the offensive player is allowed to guard the ball with their off hand/arm. That's why many basic dribbling drills are done with the non dribbling arm in a guard position. This becomes a charge if the arm is extended towards the defender. Unfortunately, unless the defender flops or is actually pushed down without flopping, refs will not call a charge. I've seen this repeatedly in the NBA as well as in most youth club games and high school games. Refs either don't look for the extending arm or just miss it. In Harden's case, he's constantly initiating contact and shoving the defenders and the refs just give him superstar calls, but not all of them are offensive fouls as sometimes, he is just guarding the ball with his off arm.
Just saying my preferential, i personally like the more physical basketball by using 'legallized' shoves like, pls cmiiw & iirc, allowing to shove using upper arm lateral movement (using shoulder medial & or rear muscles contraction) without the extension of lower arm (triceps contraction) either in defense & offense To me, it adds more strength battle than just a fragile oopsie-woopsie mini ball-game Iirc 80/90s basketball used to allow to slyly total arms shoving like the legendary MJ clutch buzzer beater crossover anklebreaker(?) & the defensive hands-on ball handler's hip to steer & limit the handler's maneuverability. They were too overboard, hence i take the half arm shoving option
There was time when I would swear by the NBA officials word. Now, I know they're biased because they're paid to be. Every year they openly talk about how they're changing officiating and their interpretation of the rules. Every year they do this to increase scoring. Which in turn, increases ratings and then increases revenue. It's about ONE thing, $MONEY$.
@@gaj7062 Yes, 2009. All this zero step gathering was incorporated into the NBA rule book 2009. However, some refs allowed some players to travel and carry prior to 2009.
This video is the worst gaslighting excuse for traveling and ball carry, as I have ever heard. Most refs look past players like Harden, and Lebron James when making highlight reel moves for the halftime report. If a player has big enough hands to palm the ball while the hand is still on top of the ball while dribbling, it destroys the explanation of no-call by any ref, when James Harden or anybody else carries the ball, or the more usually called, travelling violation.
The point is by the rules, if you havent stopped the dribble officially you can take that extra step then take ur 2 steps. Elite players like harden decided to abuse that rule but its still legal
@@youngcitybandit The rules for palming the ball are pretty standard and the same moves are replicated within the college ranks and on down to the lower levels, because they see it on TV every night. Refs let players get away with this as it would be considered nit-picking if it was called on a regular basis as it is a judgment call. Just because refs fail to be strict with the rule, does not mean it is legal if the refs decide to not call the violation. It is similar to the charge call in it's complexity because whenever a ref decides to put his foot down and make an obvious charge call against a player like Lebron James or James Harden, the fans will hit the roof or begin cheering, depending on whose arena you're playing in. Is a charge legal?? Is it a judgment call? Do the refs generally give the offensive player the benefit of the doubt?
@@JamesBond-uz2dm yep, it's just a silly cover up of nba refs smh. if they don't man up and call it, then more and more will continue to abuse it, i just hope other league still stick to the general bball rules. nba refs are shait.
This rule has been around for a long time and there are countless videos and interviews about it. The fact that you are just learning about it now shows how ignorant you are about the tiny details of the game.
Yeah, he messes up sometimes, but theoretically and also when executed correctly, this one of the most genius and beautiful moves ever created in basketball. It's amazing and when preformed correctly (as demonstrated in the video) it's perfectly legal by NBA rules. Anyone saying 0 step/gather step doesn't exist just hasn't read the rule book. It was a rule added to try to help avoid injuries on the fastbreak but Harden saw something others didn't and exploited it. Genius.
It's pretty obvious his explanation is wrong though. He considers both feet on the ground to be a zero step, then each step back to be 1 and then 2, and then he ignores the fact that he then jumps off both legs before releasing the ball on the jumper. That's at best a 3rd step and maybe even a 4th step. He ignores that last jump every time he counts for no reason whatsoever. This also contradicts the analysis earlier in the video where he explains the Jason Williams move. In that explanation, the jumping off of one leg when going up counts as a step. Why wouldn't leaving the ground off two legs be considered a step? It makes no sense.
michalum04 no he never says both feet on the ground would be the zero step. The first step back is the zero step and then you do the 1 and 2 to get in position. This is in the NBA rule book look it up if your not satisfied
travel for me, it's too easy for the offense to grab the ball then take a few steps back for a jump shot to create separation, then again it's the nba where the offense is paramount
That's because it is three steps. Basketball has always allowed three steps, you just can't take three steps AFTER the gather. The fact people don't know there is a gather step proves why they shouldn't have an opinion the the subject. Harden has put the time in to time his gather perfectly to allow the huge separation he gets. Of course sometimes he travels when he does mistime the gather, and some of that time it isn't called. He does not mistime his gather often though. Basketball has a bigger problem with traveling when it comes to the pivot foot.
@@basedgarrett ya man this is basics ,i learned at school in Brazil where basketball is not even the first option,you are allowed 3 steps,if Harden is taken the first and moving back 2 steps that's legal,if he mistime the gather than he might be called upon a travel for sure. It is simple,if anyone do not know the rules don't make assumptions!!
That's just modern NBA street ball BS. Gather '0' step is nonsense. Only 3 steps after you stop dribbling no mater what. In the days of Bird and Magic that is traveling. Not to mention the Iverson 2 step land on both feet then jump up layup. The stop dribbling standing in spot, then jump back land on your feet and shoot is traveling. The NBA has relaxed so many rules. Juts like the "Hesi" is carrying the ball as you cannot impede the natural bounce of the ball. That's why in the real days of NBA players tap passed the ball behind their back and not hold it in their hand dead stopped, spin 360, then throw the ball back onto the court 8 feet from where it last bounce. The NBA is streetball which is fine, but don't pretend these moves are legal.
Hand position my fat A$s. So anyone with big hands should be allowed to just hold on to the ball and walk limitless steps for as long as his hand is on top? Lol
Sheng Han If you hold it then the ball is gathering and you’re only allowed 2 steps, now if your hand is not holding the ball and your palm is facing down, you can take as many steps as you can. The rules are very clear and simple
Aren't those two different things tho? Travel and carrying? Traveling is too many steps and carrying/plaming is where when you put your hand on the ball. The refs even have two different ways of signaling them.
As long as you're talking about J-Will moves that look sketch, I'd like to see a breakdown of that dribble/hop step/pass fake/continue dribbling move from his rookie year. I know it was probably all about the next dribble hitting the floor before landing from the hop, but still not sure how that keeps him safe from a travel.
So the steps were obviously built into the rules with a move *_toward_* the basket in mind (layup or dunk), right? Harden's step back is taking advantage of this rule to create separation by literally *_running away_* from the defender. Whether he's doing it within the rules, it doesn't look like basketball. Anyone think the rule should be modified to only allow steps moving toward the basket?
As a kid growing up in the 70's and played in School Team League Basketball...So naturally we were all taught the basics and fundamentals..I can tell you, if we had done what James and a lot of modern day NBA player do..the so call ' step back ' , the euro steps and MAN, the palming, boy don't get me started on that one. lol. We would get call for traveling, palming aka carrying aka carry over, in a heartbeat...I'm old school, so ya, he travels..lol
ponchai allen some old school refs still call it a travel. Because it is. I taught my son how to play, he played high school ball too (which was a bullshit experience), but he started picking up some of those moves and bad ball handling... I’d tell him about it but it’s just how they play now.
When done right it’s not a travel , but Harden has both hands or a hand halfway under the ball when he does it quite a bit I’ve noticed . Never gets called . Refs rarely call travel anyways , but I have noticed it in some of his best highlights 😂
Theres no legal position when its the last dribble . You cant take 4 steps and shoot,no matter where your hand is on the ball. Nba allows travel for decades,to let the game be more spectacular. Pkayers travel ALL the time in EVERY game,and it RARELY gets calked
At 2:52, I see the right foot become the pivot foot, because you're palming the ball. How can you now dislodge that pivot and take two steps(!), one with each foot? I call it not just a travel, but a double travel. There should be technical fout each time someone tries that crap, to help rid the game of it.
This video is the perfect demonstration of why it's so controversial. See @4:28 when there are two hands on the ball and the "0" first appears, it still looks like your left foot is coming down. I cannot see how it makes sense to say that the gather happens after the step-back. Best case scenario is that they are simultaneous, but for me the gather is happening first, that left foot step is #1 and so it's a travel. But in the very next demonstration you get it right. @4:35 the ball is still in your right hand when the left foot hits the floor THEN you gather and so that step off the left is zero and it's not a travel. It's obviously such a fine margin, we're talking fractions of a second and I can understand how refs are going to have a hard time with this.
Not true... it is traveling because even though he doesn’t pick up the ball and has his hand in a dribbling position, he doesn’t continue to dribble and decides to pick up the ball after the step-back. For it not to be traveling he must execute that last dribble or else that step counts as one of the two that he is allowed.... And let’s not mention that most of the time he pushes with his other arm, kinda like Jordan did against Russel in game 6 in the finals against Utah
04:34 One step then bounces and 2 more steps...thats 3 steps...you keep lying to kids that the dribbling is alive...when its not...as soon as he grab the ball with both hands that counts as one step..and if you are with both feet on the floor thats 2 steps...so he cant make 2 more just because he thinks the 1st doesnt count.
2:10 ... Your steps do not count until your hand position is ... Everyone should just CARRY the ball like this and run to the basket without dribbling! That’s the smart way to play basketball in NBA these days. Learning something new every day. Thank very much for the clarification. Great video! 👍
I literally told my friend that thinks that he travels every time to skip to 4:25 and she even thinks THAT is a travel smh 🤦♂️ I can’t stand it when people are that stubborn
As soon as you have a 2nd hand on the ball, you don't get to take a step and land. You can take a step (or 2) if driving to the hole, but you have to let it go or pass it before you land.
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At 2:36 when you catch the ball with your both hands, is your right foot on the floor counts as 0 or 1?
Wise man once said: A journey begins with a single step. James Harden retorted: No man, a Journey begins with a thousand zero steps.
A LUCA DOES IT, AND KYRIE AND CURRY AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO COPIES HARDEN.
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@@StradaleF430 chill
my question is if i throw it infront of me, i have the ball spinning in my hand, then i stutter step 4 times, then i grab it to my other hand, then take my 2 steps, is those stutter steps legal, because techniqally its still a live dribble, because its spinning, but thats confusing me
Eckon Lets keep it simple: when your hand goes under the ball, you can have two steps at that point. At no point can you "self pass" the ball, like throw it forward and then go get it. You can stutter step, crossover, moonwalk or whatever you want lol as long as you don't put your hand under the ball (which I see so many players do in league play and streetball and then they argue if you call it)
James Harden doesn't travel with that move, he has a journey lol
Then go on vacation bro
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James Harden is a whole travel agency :-)
James Harden has a legitimate Passport!
When he does he books a plane and flies to the shadow realm.
Even if I did this against my friends they would say it’s a travel
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Akili Shepherd I just hate ppl like you
Tommy Pu I gotta be doin sum rite then 🥱
Akili Shepherd stfu honestly
BitTrooper nah rather not you gone have to make me & I doubt you can so, or you’ll die lol🤷🏽♂️
Harden doesn’t take advantage of the 0 step. He uses the -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 step back
Wtf are those negative numbers?
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I'm dat Guy my thoughts exactly lmao my mans must be moonwalking or something lol
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It feels like his entire offense is centered around exploiting rules. His step back, his foul draws. Like I get it, use what you can to your advantage but I never liked people who did that type of thing. It bothers me even more because he’s so good to begin with without resorting to those things
Millicente I've never been a big fan of that style of play either. Paul Peirce used to do the same thing a lot with drawing fouls. In some ways I respect it and understand why they do it, but it's never been a way I wanted to play, especially with constantly trying to draw fouls. To each their own though!
They’re good enough to do it and smart enough to know how to do it you expect them to just not do it? For what? Lmaooo
Harden = a successful loser
+Kryptonian Crip
Exactly, so you'd be one of the type of people to do it. I just wouldn't. Call it old fashioned or call it stupid or call it whatever you want to but I don't believe in nor particularly like the idea of doing things like that.
My thoughts exactly. There are people in my league like this, drives me nuts. They are so good yet they try to exploit everything to win. They beg for calls, cry on every call...it's just dirty.
If he's on my team and does that, it's not a travel.. But! If he does that and ain't on my team then it's a travel. 😂
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The fact that this much explanation is needed makes it even more ridiculous
Best comment , thats why i know basketball is rigged all the way.
@@cannurdogdu3871 No correlation
AresFusion definitely no correlation lol
@@AresFusion oh sure
Takes a lot of explanation for dumbasses like you
"If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor."
Thats when you are in the triple threat
He aint pivoting tho hes moving sideways its sinilar to walking lol theres no pivot when walking
@@Bryanseas You got the award for low iq post of the week
gotta establish a pivot before that's applicable
No matter how many extra steps the NBA allows, players travel all the time and in front of refs. The refs have gotten worse over time too.
worldz trio between, rule benders (clever and aware like Harden), terrible refs and lack of fundamentals.
Referees haven't gotten worse, it's just the scrutiny that the NBA gets increases over the years. Instant replay is getting better and more people are analyzing/studying the game.
Mariah Lin KD literally went out of bounds against the rockets and wasn’t called for it. “But the refs aren’t becoming worse”.
worldz agree, and harden does travel sometimes but the move he is showing is totally legal
Cz nba is more show than sport
Whos here after curry did Harden stepback ???
Yep, liked watching Kerr go crazy
27 after thousands watched. So basically, NO ONE.
Lol he exposed the refs
@@chickenturds9184 yeah they exposed the refs when durant is out of bounds
Curry didnt do the signature right...his pivot foot was moving all over the place
Great explanation! Basically, Harden exploits the rule that makes most of the 2-step layup legal. Without 0 step rule, all those fast-break dunks probably will be travel
They should only allow it when you end your shot landing within the paint.
Meanwhile in the future ... James Harden did a double stepback and still gotaway with it
Sylvester
And got a foul called in his favor lol
Give him another year and he'll do the triple stepback
@@ecmyk7863 lmao
Breaking news, The NBA has made new rules in the game. One of this rules is: James Harden's step back no matter how many times he does it, it's still legal. No other players can do this legally but James Harden. Reason for this is because he's James Harden.
I think I'm on drugs, send help pls.
Yesterday he did a triple step back lol and the analysts called it a travel but the reffs missed it
Dumb AF.
"If the hand isn't under the ball or you don't have two hands on it then the steps aren't counted"
... ok someone tell Giannis to just palm the ball then run around with it.
@Malik Will Well said, but if he was dumb enough to make that comment in the first place, he's probably not sharp enough to grasp what you just said.
@Malik Will I understand exactly what you said, and exactly what the rule states. I've played for years, the issue with the game is that the rulebook definitions are stupid AF, case in point.
voetbal12 if you played for years it makes sense. The hand placement itself is just part of it. I can tell you haven’t put in the time in they gym to drill the footwork necessary to pull these moves off. I can’t even count all the hours I put in drilling the eurostep and stepbacks the first month I tried to learn it. People who call travel r casual fans who don’t put in the work to learn the moves.
you cant grip the ball either
Lmao hand placement and palming the ball is two entirely different things
Most NBA players travel nowadays. They pick up their pivot foot all the time, establish a new puvot foot, and then travel again.
@bokeh18 I wouldn't go far as to call it fake. The referees most of the time are the problems.
It still begin with palming and lifting the ball, so many times just bringing the ball up court.
100% spot on. It’s not the refs all the time, they catch heat for calling it from the higher ups.
It's not a travel in the NBA because the NBA uses the 0 step. High school & NCAA don't incorporate the 0 step in the definition of a travel. You should clarify that this is not currently a legal move in any league other than the NBA.
my thoughts exactly lol, other league players don't be copying that haha. they say nba is the top bball org, maybe it is but with shitty rules and refs lmao.
That’s not true. The rule is the same in all levels, from middle school to the NBA. There is a gather step in almost every lay up. There are some differences in other rules, such as in FIBA vs the American rules regarding the pickup of the pivot foot, but gathering the ball was allowed in every level I’ve played.
@@Lbyt21 I get the father step in a layup but not in a step back, I mean I k know it's a rule but dont get it
@@Thistlebee what don't you get about it? you can gather and go in any direction. For a step back, you are just going backwards instead of forward for a layup. Just watch a bunch of tutorials on how to perform the stepback online and it will sink in. I've spent countless hours in the gym practicing these specific moves so that they become natural to me, but it will feel weird to you the first time you are learning, sort of like learning a new style of dance. It's just advanced footwork and timing your dribbles. Most regular people who never play but watch it on TV can't understand it, but if actually want to get good at it, then practice it over and over.
In high school you are allowed a gather step, but you don't get 2 additional steps after gathering. Taking 2 steps after picking up your dribble is a travel.
It's only legal if Harden does it.
mardiov True. Curry just got booked for it
🤦🏼♂️
mardiov Lebron just did it
Kyrie did it
There are no walks in the NBA. It ain't about Harden.
4:34 tnk me later
Saved me 3 mins.
@@tsapp2831 Same
thats travel...
@@immediamalcoccinello483 ur right, he had his foot down after he controlled the ball
Your videos always exploit players signature moves so accurately, I’m loving your content.
'Traveling'? Harden goes on long hikes.
no he goes on VACATION!
You the GOAT this is the best one 😂😂😂😂
Hopefully nobody gets whooshed
If it looks like harden, walks like harden, travels like harden, its probably harden travelling
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It's not a travel, USUALLY..
But there are times he has travelled, and the refs missed it
*obi infinite kenobi* yep, more often than not it's legal, but he's gotten away with a few
@@GetHandles Coach, let me ask you this. If that first step is 0 step or gather step, that means he's allowed to take two more steps. Ok so what if he made those two steps, after the hop, towards the basket instead of away from basket? You can't convince me that travel depends on the direction of the movement, so I'd be very interested to see re-make of this same thing but with forward movement after the gather step. I honestly think anyone trying to prove that was legal would be insane,but please prove me wrong.
It's a travel 90% of the time
If by 'missed it'. you mean saw it but decided not to call it because they're told to increase scoring. Then yea I guess they 'missed it'.
srki zen I don't think they call the travel going forward either. watch some of these layups on fast breaks at times. th-cam.com/video/245dWr937jQ/w-d-xo.html first dunk here. it looks like the worst travel of all time. it actually isn't. slow it down. 0,1,2. its the same idea, timing of when the hand goes under the ball.
you probably aren't going to see this type of move going forward just bc you simply have a defender that you aren't creating space from, which is the purpose of james hardens move. but on layups, you see it all the time, just like harden, sometimes they miss it.
But, this zero step was implemented in the NBA in 2009, so I can see why people can see it as a travel. It's not a travel.in the NBA because they altered the rules. But, in basketball it is a travel.
Mark, could you cite the rule change and provide a link so we can look it up? The 2013-14 rules (www.nba.com/media/dleague/1314-nba-rule-book.pdf) make no mention of this. Nor do current Misunderstood rules, including on Travel, which addresses these issues: www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html
Its travel
Bad nba rule
the gather step has been around much longer than 2009 tho. its just really easy to talk about it as a zero step which has been more recent and I guess from what you are saying 2009. watch 90's clips Jordan, ewing, and others. they all use the same step patterns used today. there are just some new moves like euro step that show the evolution of the game.
nba is basketball, there are just different rules.
ncaa has this rule technically too. they just allow one step after the zero/gather step. or they did allow one step. at times it seems two steps are taken, like on layups and such. I don't watch much college tho so I maybe wrong on these rules.
@@EssensOrAccidens just Google it
This is great demo I am a dad of a six grader and share this with him as he plays basketball on his school team. I appreciate the effort you make in putting this video together. Thanks for all you do.
Glad you found it helpful. Keep in mind this not something I recommend players his age do since most refs aren't aware of the gather step and live dribble rules, or leagues simply don't have those rules.
So u teaching ur son 0 steps is he going to learn some of the hardest cross overs next I'm sorry sir but they are there to play a game not demolish a kids ankles and finish on him
The truth is sometimes he travels sometimes he doesn't....
Even when he doesn't travel it's borderline every NBS player can palm the ball so it should still be travelling
exactly...but his amazing footwork and quick hands put the refs in a tough spot, so he gets the benefit of the doubt
@Bored Murse and gets a foul extending his arms or his legs xD 3 and 1 dayum.
I am a rockets fan and a big harden fan and I can say that’s true but most of the time he doesn’t.
Can't wait to argue on the court when I get called for traveling..... "no guys, I took a zero step!" they'll be like WTF
He protecc
He attacc
But most importantly
He hit da step bacc
Natasha Sensha underrated comment
Abdelmelik Farooq Alwahid boring derivative adding nothing to the discussion. Its not 2015
Nahhh he don’t protect the rim
madafacc
You do know harden can't play defense right?
The first time I hear that ZERO looks like 1.....but according to this video, 1 means ZERO. I need a math book....and some hot chips
It's a travel now ruled a non-infraction in an era of NBA basketball more concerned with entertainment and catering to divas than maintaining the integrity of the game.
Truth hurts, get over it.
It’s not a travel...
Jordan Traveled and pushed off his whole life. Do some research
Brock Barber what hurts is my fucking brain just reading your useless comment. As if anybody cares what you have to say. Smh internet troll.
@@beesimone3073
And yet you reply on it.
Brock Barber even when the rule wasn’t enacted it wasn’t called a travel. Players travel going to the basket all the time but all of NBA history they never called it. So stop saying this “era” this is always how it was.
Let me clear it up i am a referee at a amateur grown man league and Harden's step back or euro step is not a travel.How? If you coukd actually see the rule book of the referees you can take a thousand steps but the you are not allowed to touch the ball for it to be legal. Now people keep saying he took three steps while holding the ball. Wrong its all about the timing the refs discussed this about the zero step we even watched Harden's move and played it at . 25 speed at just before harden touches the ball he already took a step. Its always about the timing but sometimes harden still has a wrong timing but doesn't get a call cause the refs are already used to it. You can criticize harden's work ethic its absolutely incredible
Harden travels so much he got frequent flyer miles
I started playing basketball in 1995, I call it travel. BUT US basketball evolves, I don't ref any pick up games, so I can do as much back steps as I want, and get away with it because they are amazed of my step back travelling technique. I always die laughing inside on how ridiculous the rules are nowadays.
Any more steps and you officially have you're own dance called the harden
The Harden shake
"There are time that he does travel with it" 😂
Yeah, most of that time. 😉
I agree anyways it depends if he will be able to shoot it in
Yeahy all the time
Everyone travels in the NBA. Maybe not a travel in the NBA but in FIBA/Olympic rules, those are easy travel.
NBA and FIBA have same rules regarding the gather step so neither is a travel actually.
Lol what? How are olympic rules relevant
@@youngcitybandit you do this move during an Olympic game and you will get called for traveling
@@charlescooks9360 is the olympics the NBA? They are different organizations
Pretty clear. Sometimes the "both-hands-gathering-the-ball" moment and the "zero step" both happen so fast you can't really tell which one takes place first..
... news from the future: Curry tried the same move and the refs called travel. *flies away*
i thought he picked up the ball too early, but it looked cleaner than some that harden does
SUPER SAIYAN CURRY no, curry fucked himself with the Stutter step THEN he took a step back he says it in the interview afterwards. He said he took a step then he decided it wasn’t enough space so he took another.
@@CeejayTXDS you wanna know what the problem is with that perspective? the refs are not going to review every "stutter step" that Harden does. So it's going to end up being ridiculous to see what Harden gets away with compared to other players. That's why they should start calling it a travel or else you are going to end up having a playoff series fucked up because of a missed foul call...
SUPER SAIYAN CURRY they’ve called that on harden when he does what curry did. Which isn’t often. Curry literally stopped thought about it then took a bigger step back. He just got mad because he THOUGHT he’d get away with it
@@CeejayTXDS yeah? ok, so what do you call this? th-cam.com/video/8zpmigCh0Aw/w-d-xo.html
NBA : NOT Basketball, Actually
NBA is entertainment not basketball.
When Coach K. wanted to prepare his NBA squad to play in the Olympics he had referees use real rules. there were 6 travelling calls in the first half and none of the NBA players knew what they did wrong.
The question is when does one's dribble end? NBA does not want to define that and will continue to allow their moneymakers to do what ever they want.
Correct
ABSOLUTELY, The NBA today is just like The WWE or any other t.v wrestling show it's entertainment and I blame that on all the rich people and corporations in the world who control the narrative they don't want to see any competition just high scoring they have destroyed the beauty of the game just like they have for the NFL ....no defense allowed no hard hitting allow jusr offense because they don't want their children that they pay $250 a seat and another $200. dollars in food and apparel exposed to such violence BUT AFTER THE GAME IS OVER THEY TAKE THAT SAME KID HOME AND HE RUNS INTO HIS AND SHUTS THE DOOR AND PLAYS A VIDEO THAT 3 TIMES HORRIFYING!!!!!
John Orr Fiba has specific rules to them about traveling is and isn’t. Nearly every other professional or organized basketball league uses the same rules as the NBA.
Thanks for going over it. The way I was taught is the pick up the ball stuff and stepping is when you are heading towards the basket for a layup. It all still loooks like travelling to me watching Harden. But I'm old, hahaha.
I've heard BS, but this total BS. The NBA is rationalizing the rules because players are traveling all over the place. If they go after Harden then they will have to go after Lebron who walks all the way to the basket and they are too chicken to call them out as long as the money keeps rolling in...
Facts
The worst...but the face of the league bro, so...
That is freakin true about lebron
John Nowakowski true but LeBron probably travels once every 5 games. James Harden travels once every quarter.
This is so true.. Just like in the UFC, where McGregor does inappropiate stuff outside the ring too (like attacking his opponents' bus) for which he should be FOREVER banned, but doesn't get anything, since he earns so much money and media attention for the UFC
the real problem of nba is that they stop calling travel on superstar ANYMORE....
like Lebron's completely and obviously three steps after gathering layup or anything like that.
Exactly
The problem is nba fans not knowing what the gather step is
@@Malik67627 that's like why cops arrest people for shoplifting because they don't know the out the door without paying step 😂
They just called one on Curry with almost the same of Harden
I appreciate your information! I am trying to learn so that I understand my son's games. Never really payed much attention to basketball before and watching his games see so much "traveling. " This video has really helped me understand the zero step and "gather." If I may... I wish you followed through a little more. 9ver and over you demonstrated the gather and then just stopped. It was confusing for a beginner because I didn't understand what happened just before and just after.
Lifting your pivot foot is a travel!!! The NBA is the only league that do not call travels!
“0” step is garbage!!!!
@ 2:54 dribble is dead caiuse hand is under like you say. From there its 3 steps. TRAVELING!!!!
no
Yeah um his hand is on the side of the ball if you can’t see. So the dribble is not dead.
Dribble dies once he puts both hands on the ball.
While he gathers the ball he steps at the same time. That’s called a gather step, zero step, whatever. Rule implemented since 2009. Then it’s 2 steps after that. Conclusion: no travel
It probably is a travel, but there's a better way of it not being a travel by using a hop-step. Instead of the 2nd and 3rd step being planted individually, they are planted at the same time, then those 2 steps are considered one step.
The NBA refs are much different from high school and rec league officials. Those amateurs call stuff based on the two step rule. A pro ref wouldn't call most pros for travelling. These guys practice 8-10 hours a day everyday on moves, shots and dribbling to perfection.
It seems to me like it’s picking up a pivot foot a couple times. As soon as both of your hands touch the ball one foot is still on the ground and then you step two more times.
It's 3 steps after a dribble step.
Travel.
Aaron Turner after you establish your pivot foot.. bring you opposite got back to shot position isn’t counted as a step in any league sooo nah b
Young king aaron is right you still can't take steps back when u lose your pivot foot
Aaron Turner yeah sometimes it’s 4
Young_ King17 pivot foot is a pivot foot you can’t move it
Young_king when someone does a step back, one of your feet will be your pivot foot you are not supposed to be allowed to move your pivot foot anymore. So how come Harden can still do another step back after that, he basically move both his feet. RIDICULOUS.
It's definitely a travel. When both hands hit the ball the pivot foot is established, and then he re-establishes with his back foot...if you leave your pivot foot you have to shoot the ball before you hit the ground again. Definitely a travel.
so you're saying if you're running on a fast break and you take two steps after you put both hands on the ball to shoot a layup it's a travel, because you left your pivot foot? Not sure how you can say it's definitely a travel.
@ZW this kind of stuff is the reason why I have such a hard time watching today's league. It's definitely a travel. This zero step rule is bullshit! A step is a step,pure and simple. I've been watching the nba for over 60 years now and i just can't believe how much it has changed for the worse. Skill sets and IQs have dropped to an all time low!!!
@Exotikz Aim •Clan Leader•
Yes sir!! I remember the days of when Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain were first coming into the league.
Looks like most of the commenters are official, veteran NBA refs.
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Dumb ass comment!...You don't need to be a ref to know what traveling looks like. Some people have played the game before.
Id rather they werent since officials call terrible games.
@@muhammadsteinberg But the move is not a travel,did you watch the video,casual?
@@muhammadsteinberg this is why you are not in the NBA bum
Actually, this is a good explanation of how recent rule changes in the NBA (the hand positioning on the ball piece esp), which were of course meant to help the offense and increase scoring, have had an impact on the game. So basically, a lot of Harden's step back 3s that LOOK like travelling actually are not based on those rule changes. However, and as you briefly eluded to, he still does travel... and to be honest probably on at least 25% of those shots... but the refs don't call it because, 1) they dont see clearly enough or 2) the Harden factor is in play (meaning, his entire game clearly gets blatant preferential treatment from the zebras... Harden recently eclipsed Lebron James to become the "leader" for this dubious distinction).
Now, with that out of the way, could you please do a video explaining why Harden's blatant offensive fouls are almost never called as such? If you watch him closely, he uses his non-dribbling hand to literally shove the defender a few feet away, given them a choice of giving him an uncontested shot or likely getting a defensive foul called for either bumping him or not giving him room to land. This blatant cheat move is by far the most egregious in the history of sports! Not only does he do it (and get away with it) multiple times per game, but on many of them, he commits this foul multiple times. Last night vs GS in game 4, he literally committed 3 offensive fouls and traveled (none called of course) during 1 shot attempt and ended up not only scoring a bucket that should have never even been taken, but also got a +1 foul on the GS defender. This joke is frankly making the NBA unwatchable. So, would really like to hear an explanation on why you think they are allowing him to do this. btw, if it were actually legal, everyone would be doing it right? but aside from Lebron, Chris Paul, the greek freak and a few others, you dont see it, at least not nearly to the ridiculous degree that JH does it.
I agree with you that Harden's arm bar *sometimes* should be an offensive foul. However, the reason he doesn't get called for it is because the offensive player is allowed to guard the ball with their off hand/arm. That's why many basic dribbling drills are done with the non dribbling arm in a guard position. This becomes a charge if the arm is extended towards the defender. Unfortunately, unless the defender flops or is actually pushed down without flopping, refs will not call a charge. I've seen this repeatedly in the NBA as well as in most youth club games and high school games. Refs either don't look for the extending arm or just miss it. In Harden's case, he's constantly initiating contact and shoving the defenders and the refs just give him superstar calls, but not all of them are offensive fouls as sometimes, he is just guarding the ball with his off arm.
GS fan? Lol
Just saying my preferential, i personally like the more physical basketball by using 'legallized' shoves like, pls cmiiw & iirc, allowing to shove using upper arm lateral movement (using shoulder medial & or rear muscles contraction) without the extension of lower arm (triceps contraction) either in defense & offense
To me, it adds more strength battle than just a fragile oopsie-woopsie mini ball-game
Iirc 80/90s basketball used to allow to slyly total arms shoving like the legendary MJ clutch buzzer beater crossover anklebreaker(?) & the defensive hands-on ball handler's hip to steer & limit the handler's maneuverability. They were too overboard, hence i take the half arm shoving option
And this is why he’s the most productive free throw shooter 😂 had like what 27 points from free throws one game
4:49 Yeah no. You can't take 5 sutter-steps in a single dribble. It's one step per dribble.
Ballers need to watch this cause they be calling the wrong things.
Emmanuel Gatu yea people are like “oh it’s not a travel I’ll take 4 steps back just like him because it’s not a travel”
Russell WestGOAT right
There was time when I would swear by the NBA officials word. Now, I know they're biased because they're paid to be.
Every year they openly talk about how they're changing officiating and their interpretation of the rules. Every year they do this to increase scoring. Which in turn, increases ratings and then increases revenue. It's about ONE thing, $MONEY$.
Wow ur genius, you just rekt the nba
If they didnt change their interpretation of the rules every season no matter how much fans complained about this it would never go away
Exactly!! It's all about offense.
Been that way since mid 90s
Wtf are you talking about they literally created the “harden rule” to stop easy scoring
Everyone in these comments don’t understand that steps don’t start until after you pick up your dribble
FIBA is the governing body of basketball in the entire world and it says whan Harden does, and what you do throughout this video is traveling.
Really, you going by a agency that allows fouling and goal tending?
FIBA is competitive basketball.
NBA is entertainment...just like the WWE.
It's in their own name and game tickets
i never saw players in the 80s and 90s doing these moves. the refs would have called a travel almost every time.
I'm 99 percent sure it was implemented in the last ten years
@@gaj7062 Yes, 2009. All this zero step gathering was incorporated into the NBA rule book 2009. However, some refs allowed some players to travel and carry prior to 2009.
*reads out the exact NBA rule and shows how it's legal if you follow the rule*
YoU dOnT kNoW tHe RuLeS, bAcK iN mY dAy ItS a TrAvEl
I see why James harden doesn't get called for it , cuz he's so smooth with it.
This video is the worst gaslighting excuse for traveling and ball carry, as I have ever heard. Most refs look past players like Harden, and Lebron James when making highlight reel moves for the halftime report. If a player has big enough hands to palm the ball while the hand is still on top of the ball while dribbling, it destroys the explanation of no-call by any ref, when James Harden or anybody else carries the ball, or the more usually called, travelling violation.
The point is by the rules, if you havent stopped the dribble officially you can take that extra step then take ur 2 steps. Elite players like harden decided to abuse that rule but its still legal
@@youngcitybandit The rules for palming the ball are pretty standard and the same moves are replicated within the college ranks and on down to the lower levels, because they see it on TV every night. Refs let players get away with this as it would be considered nit-picking if it was called on a regular basis as it is a judgment call. Just because refs fail to be strict with the rule, does not mean it is legal if the refs decide to not call the violation. It is similar to the charge call in it's complexity because whenever a ref decides to put his foot down and make an obvious charge call against a player like Lebron James or James Harden, the fans will hit the roof or begin cheering, depending on whose arena you're playing in. Is a charge legal?? Is it a judgment call? Do the refs generally give the offensive player the benefit of the doubt?
These players should just palm the ball and run down the court without dribbling.
@@JamesBond-uz2dm yep, it's just a silly cover up of nba refs smh. if they don't man up and call it, then more and more will continue to abuse it, i just hope other league still stick to the general bball rules. nba refs are shait.
This rule has been around for a long time and there are countless videos and interviews about it. The fact that you are just learning about it now shows how ignorant you are about the tiny details of the game.
The James Harden step back... is it really a travel? * Coach galloping backwards 😂😂😂😂
It’s travel period. You couldn’t get away with that when Magic, Jordan and Larry played. The NBA has changed just like the NFL
The NBA and its rules are constantly changing.
Harden rule: 3 steps equal 2.
3:23 YES!!!! Thank you. He gets away with traveling a lot of times. That's what I'm always saying. Half the time his hand is under the ball
Yeah, he messes up sometimes, but theoretically and also when executed correctly, this one of the most genius and beautiful moves ever created in basketball. It's amazing and when preformed correctly (as demonstrated in the video) it's perfectly legal by NBA rules. Anyone saying 0 step/gather step doesn't exist just hasn't read the rule book. It was a rule added to try to help avoid injuries on the fastbreak but Harden saw something others didn't and exploited it. Genius.
Lool how can y’all be arguing with rules just because he found a loophole? 😂Someone does a full breakdown and you’re still mad
That's how gay Niggas are.
fr they argue for no reason. it legal period. Kyrie did it
It's pretty obvious his explanation is wrong though.
He considers both feet on the ground to be a zero step, then each step back to be 1 and then 2, and then he ignores the fact that he then jumps off both legs before releasing the ball on the jumper. That's at best a 3rd step and maybe even a 4th step. He ignores that last jump every time he counts for no reason whatsoever.
This also contradicts the analysis earlier in the video where he explains the Jason Williams move. In that explanation, the jumping off of one leg when going up counts as a step. Why wouldn't leaving the ground off two legs be considered a step? It makes no sense.
michalum04 no he never says both feet on the ground would be the zero step. The first step back is the zero step and then you do the 1 and 2 to get in position. This is in the NBA rule book look it up if your not satisfied
Exactly my guy
travel for me, it's too easy for the offense to grab the ball then take a few steps back for a jump shot to create separation, then again it's the nba where the offense is paramount
yep, certainly just in the nba. any league other than it, that's a travelling violation.
No bro, this is not a travel, like they said, "It was a Journey"😂
Curry made this move and called for a travel. Tf? 😂😂😂
Darce De Guzman Ikr 😂😂 I just watched that move and came to TH-cam to check commentators talk
That’s basically every James Harden step back 3 Lmao
Yea refs is paid bro
The Warriors have all sorts of stupid fans huh? None of you have every played organized ball either huh? It’s obvious
Curry looked like a fool. He was too slow. He is not Harden. He does not know how to do it properly.
@@Kenyon712 So Harden trvaled a bit faster? 😂
Meanwhile in 2023 James Harden did a triple step back
😂😂😂😂😂
Well explained and demonstrated. Some very good tips in this video.
Hell Yeah, tavelling AF every time.
The 0 step the 1 step and the 2 step equals 3 steps
I know, I know. 🤦♂️
That's because it is three steps. Basketball has always allowed three steps, you just can't take three steps AFTER the gather. The fact people don't know there is a gather step proves why they shouldn't have an opinion the the subject. Harden has put the time in to time his gather perfectly to allow the huge separation he gets. Of course sometimes he travels when he does mistime the gather, and some of that time it isn't called. He does not mistime his gather often though. Basketball has a bigger problem with traveling when it comes to the pivot foot.
@@basedgarrett ya man this is basics ,i learned at school in Brazil where basketball is not even the first option,you are allowed 3 steps,if Harden is taken the first and moving back 2 steps that's legal,if he mistime the gather than he might be called upon a travel for sure. It is simple,if anyone do not know the rules don't make assumptions!!
@@basedgarrett please tell where in the rulebook it says this. Did your kindergarten not teach you how to count properly?
fact!!! That zero step is like cursing then saying oh I didn't curse 😂😂😂😂
That's just modern NBA street ball BS. Gather '0' step is nonsense. Only 3 steps after you stop dribbling no mater what. In the days of Bird and Magic that is traveling. Not to mention the Iverson 2 step land on both feet then jump up layup. The stop dribbling standing in spot, then jump back land on your feet and shoot is traveling. The NBA has relaxed so many rules.
Juts like the "Hesi" is carrying the ball as you cannot impede the natural bounce of the ball. That's why in the real days of NBA players tap passed the ball behind their back and not hold it in their hand dead stopped, spin 360, then throw the ball back onto the court 8 feet from where it last bounce.
The NBA is streetball which is fine, but don't pretend these moves are legal.
Harden should have a new nickname. "Bearded Exploiter"
BUT, when this dude is showing in slo-mo Harden's step back, his hand is already UNDER the basketball, that's a travel according to him and NBA rules
Hand positioning? I remember when traveling was more than two steps, period. Anything else was carrying.
Oh yeah? What teams did you play for?
Hand position my fat A$s. So anyone with big hands should be allowed to just hold on to the ball and walk limitless steps for as long as his hand is on top? Lol
Sheng Han If you hold it then the ball is gathering and you’re only allowed 2 steps, now if your hand is not holding the ball and your palm is facing down, you can take as many steps as you can. The rules are very clear and simple
@@shenghan9385 word that's true lol
Aren't those two different things tho? Travel and carrying? Traveling is too many steps and carrying/plaming is where when you put your hand on the ball. The refs even have two different ways of signaling them.
I was doing that whole last season it exploded my scoring average
It's sneaky, crafty and DEADLY!
this is the goofiest training video lol
bc it aint a training video
Not a training vid dumbass
Yes, it is traveling, period
As long as you're talking about J-Will moves that look sketch, I'd like to see a breakdown of that dribble/hop step/pass fake/continue dribbling move from his rookie year.
I know it was probably all about the next dribble hitting the floor before landing from the hop, but still not sure how that keeps him safe from a travel.
So the steps were obviously built into the rules with a move *_toward_* the basket in mind (layup or dunk), right? Harden's step back is taking advantage of this rule to create separation by literally *_running away_* from the defender. Whether he's doing it within the rules, it doesn't look like basketball.
Anyone think the rule should be modified to only allow steps moving toward the basket?
It's traveling. If you did the same thing three feet from the basket, the ref would call it every time.
It's walking. Some NBA players do the same thing and it's walking for them
YES! I don’t need to watch this to know it’s a travel
As a kid growing up in the 70's and played in School Team League Basketball...So naturally we were all taught the basics and fundamentals..I can tell you, if we had done what James and a lot of modern day NBA player do..the so call ' step back ' , the euro steps and MAN, the palming, boy don't get me started on that one. lol. We would get call for traveling, palming aka carrying aka carry over, in a heartbeat...I'm old school, so ya, he travels..lol
ponchai allen some old school refs still call it a travel. Because it is. I taught my son how to play, he played high school ball too (which was a bullshit experience), but he started picking up some of those moves and bad ball handling... I’d tell him about it but it’s just how they play now.
Nope
Deon Nelson don’t be ignorant just because you like him! That’s just stupid! It is a travel. Did you see they called the same move a travel on curry!
@@joelerickson1058 lol it's clearly not a travel 💀👏😂 don't be ignorant because you don't like him.
When done right it’s not a travel , but Harden has both hands or a hand halfway under the ball when he does it quite a bit I’ve noticed . Never gets called . Refs rarely call travel anyways , but I have noticed it in some of his best highlights 😂
Theres no legal position when its the last dribble . You cant take 4 steps and shoot,no matter where your hand is on the ball. Nba allows travel for decades,to let the game be more spectacular. Pkayers travel ALL the time in EVERY game,and it RARELY gets calked
It is a travel
Henry Phillips so why don’t the ref call it every time he does it
henry philips ur an idiot.....the video just explains why it is not a travel.
Henry Phillips sometimes
It’s 100% travel
explain why its a travel. this video perfectly explains why it is not.
i don’t think it’s a travel but my brother did it and they called it a walk
This is travel
It's not a travel for him but a travel for other player
Like if u agree
tru story..
It's somebody else does moves it a travel
At 2:52, I see the right foot become the pivot foot, because you're palming the ball. How can you now dislodge that pivot and take two steps(!), one with each foot? I call it not just a travel, but a double travel. There should be technical fout each time someone tries that crap, to help rid the game of it.
James Harden brought me here
This video is almost as ridiculous as the actually double step back
It’s all facts Harden a beast your the only ridiculous one
Actual*
You being a casual is ridiculous
This video is the perfect demonstration of why it's so controversial. See @4:28 when there are two hands on the ball and the "0" first appears, it still looks like your left foot is coming down. I cannot see how it makes sense to say that the gather happens after the step-back. Best case scenario is that they are simultaneous, but for me the gather is happening first, that left foot step is #1 and so it's a travel. But in the very next demonstration you get it right. @4:35 the ball is still in your right hand when the left foot hits the floor THEN you gather and so that step off the left is zero and it's not a travel. It's obviously such a fine margin, we're talking fractions of a second and I can understand how refs are going to have a hard time with this.
Not true... it is traveling because even though he doesn’t pick up the ball and has his hand in a dribbling position, he doesn’t continue to dribble and decides to pick up the ball after the step-back. For it not to be traveling he must execute that last dribble or else that step counts as one of the two that he is allowed.... And let’s not mention that most of the time he pushes with his other arm, kinda like Jordan did against Russel in game 6 in the finals against Utah
Best answer in the comment area! Well said!
BananaCanGaming how they keep on changing
04:34 One step then bounces and 2 more steps...thats 3 steps...you keep lying to kids that the dribbling is alive...when its not...as soon as he grab the ball with both hands that counts as one step..and if you are with both feet on the floor thats 2 steps...so he cant make 2 more just because he thinks the 1st doesnt count.
2:10 ... Your steps do not count until your hand position is ... Everyone should just CARRY the ball like this and run to the basket without dribbling! That’s the smart way to play basketball in NBA these days. Learning something new every day. Thank very much for the clarification. Great video! 👍
I literally told my friend that thinks that he travels every time to skip to 4:25 and she even thinks THAT is a travel smh 🤦♂️ I can’t stand it when people are that stubborn
You look like one of those guys James harden does his step back on
And gets you every time
As soon as you have a 2nd hand on the ball, you don't get to take a step and land. You can take a step (or 2) if driving to the hole, but you have to let it go or pass it before you land.
He might as well be given an NBA exemption of never having to dribble.