+1 for an update to this video. For many of us in the 3D Cad and Modeling (architectural design, engineering, etc.) this information is hard to come by and a lot of us work from our home machines. Great stuff!
Please rename this video to '3D CAD modelling and design'. Because in a regular 3D environment in a vfx or motiongraphics pipeline you're not going to benefit from quadro at all. They have little to no benefit in maya/houdini/c4d/max. Also if you are going to do gpu rendering you will need a nvidia card, because most gpu render engines use cuda. So AMD is out of the question there. AMD does perform slightly better on opencl so may be better for gpu based simulation loads (like houdini opencl nodes) But overall I recommend nvidia for that. CPU workload for workstation I recommend higher clocked i9s over xeons due to most 3d applications not being fully multithreaded, your overal workflow will be faster on a faster clocked system then a high thread/low clock one (talking from experience here) Your benefit on having a lot of cores will be rendering or heavy simulation (or having simulations run as background tasks while you continue to work) But for a workstation I'd then still recommend getting a lower core one and getting a extra few cheap ebay xeon rendernodes on the side.
Agreed on all points. I would add that offloading rendering to one of the many cheap cloud solutions is probably more sensible than spending a ton of money on 8+ core Xeons and ECC memory.
All of those doesn´t utilise Quadro. Look at Pugetsystems comparisons. In 3d, SolidWorks is actually single software where Quadro beats GTX. And this SPECviewPerf is a rubish comparison - it compares multuple softwares and gives a single number - but you actually work in just one software.
Similar thing applies really to CFD, just more of it. Depending on compute loads you would also start looking towards proper data centre cards like the Tesla series and high speed interconnects like Infiniband or Omnipath for MPI between nodes. Linus is a cool guy, but none of that would be his forte lol.
I like the idea... but I see 3D art stuff everywhere... I think this is the first casual C.A.D video I've ever seen that isn't just projectile vomiting of information.
Please revisit the CAD system again. With the new consumer graphics card, we would love to hear your test results. Softwares: Siemens NX, AutoDesk PowerMill
It's amazing how hard it is to get real information about this kind of stuff out of companies like Autodesk. The problem is that they don't want to reccomend anything because no matter what you buy, their software will run like shit. Heyoooo... I'd like more content like this. An update with more software products would be cool.
watch this ... its clear that older software is coupled to older gpu (or NO gpu) technology at drivers level (which nobody will/can rewrite as entire app is bound to theirs approach), new apps written from scratch are doing better on new GPUs or technically CAN (no matter if consumer or pro card - they are still almost the same internally these days as they was 30 years ago) ... so some NEW 3d modelling tools can work well even on consumer/game-cards, which are far more powerful today (but, designated by "consumer"-warnings because of high kill/return-rate in crypto-mining farms, probably - sure, 3d modelling software does almost NOTHING vs live dynamic game running in real time vs constant full load by crypto-bastards) ... its then again all on the elite/politics to dedicate some kind of software to some kind of hardware ie some kind of expensive elite class of engineers ... is it still acceptable for 21st century??? NO :-) th-cam.com/video/gKBLrkZtIVk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/gKBLrkZtIVk/w-d-xo.html
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I use an old i5 with 8GB of ram and a gtx550ti for 3d stuff in Blender. Well, it really teaches how to handle resources :D
That's reassuring! I was planning to lightly get into it when I upgrade my PC in a few months (after I get my tax return)
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You will be fine with even a lower setup than mine, blender does a really good job with handling large scenes (especially on linux). Rendering speed is an other topic though :D Good luck with it! :)
I wouldn't mind having to wait a while for it to render tbh. I would be too excited to see something created by me in such a way I never thought possible. I would pretty much just start messing around with it and make simple meshes and models, maybe figure out how to do small weapon/junk retextures in games and go from there if I like it. You said you handle large scenes. What do you mean by that? You can make full environments using just Blender?
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Jonathan Miller I'm sure you will love it. Many people have a hard time with the user interface, since it's really different from that ms-office styled system. But after they're over it, it's a great fun to explore and create. Well, you can do basically anything in it. From simple lowpoly game models to complex photorealistic scenes. The more time i spend with blender, the more i realize that not the software is the limiting factor for good art, nor the hardware (even though it helps), but the human skill. I hope you will have good experiences with it :)
I'd love to see you guys redo this video using modern hardware (RTX; Xeon vs, say, threadripper; ECC necessity?). You took a hard CAD slant with this last video. How about the abundant creative community using software like Maya, Vray, Arnold, Zbrush, Substance Painter, etc?
@@gulamsarwar2189 rx580, b450 motherboard with the latest update bios and a 3600. the rx 580 is like 180 at max i think, and the rx570 is like a 480 and is at 120 usd aprox and with 2 games i think(lol), the new cpus are like 220, a b450 is cheap and if you can go for an x570.
I second that. Would really appreciate a comparison between how Quadro cards and Geforce cards perform in some of the most common architectural softwares: Revit, ArchiCAD, Rhino, SketchUp and AutoCAD. Such comparisons are surprisingly absent.
I'm learning Archicad and Revit for smaller residential & commercial buildings, and so far I haven't really seen any need for even an expensive gaming card. Even my old laptop builtin gpu is generally ok for modelling, and an old gtx750 is good on my desktop. When rendering, it'll depend which rendering engine you're using, ones I've been using seem to be mostly or totally cpu-based.
lookie eight I don't think so, you can see they add a black bezel on the monitor to help with alignment and that the mounting bracket on the Vega FE disappears. Also the GPU's get a highlight at the same time, but the reflection of the monitor on the marble countertop doesn't change. Actually, rewatching the video I can see at 9:26 that it starts off as a black screen with a white reflection and the fresh books slide doesn't match the monitor bezels either.
Most of this is really only valid advice for CAD designers/engineering students. A 3D artist, animator or game designer would be making quite a poor choice with 16GB or RAM and a P4000. Maybe the title could be a little more specific.
Yeah, the title is a bit too generalized. Nvidia is king at Vray RT hands down, and can use SLI. Vray Adv however might see nice performance with Ryzen(haven't checked benchmark but it likes to have many cores)
yes... yes it is for C.A.D students... now... how about while you're at it you ask the other 10000 other videos on the art programs to specify that they are for the art programs...
United States of Embarrassment I really don't think a professional 3D artist, animator, or game designer is going to be checking LinusTechTips to find out what computer to buy. Their employer will be providing a sufficient computer.
@@tridiots3681 Depends tho. Ive heard some reviewers actually get to keep some sent items but for sponsored reviews they will mostly return the item as reviewers are paid with money
Anyone else disappointed that Radeon Pro series weren't included to truly compare. I have a WX3100, and it's fantastic for lower end CAD design. I even bought it from New Egg US site, shipped to the UK since it saved me over £20 at the time Inc p&p VAT and Imp Tax.
Why no AMD WX Radeon Pro series cards in this comparison? I think its a bit unfair to compare AMD consumer level cards against Quadros, especially since AMD does offer workstation cards which are designed for those sorts of work loads. Even the frontier edition isn't a fully fledged workstation card. Still a great video just would of liked to have seen an apples to apples comparison between Quatro and the Radeon Pro series cards.
They did include the Radeon Pro series, while its not branded Radeon Pro the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is currentley AMD's top end card and it uses Radeon Pro drivers and AMD's next generation harware design that will underpin future Radeon Pro cards.
I'm a Mechanical Engineer, and work with 17,000 part models, simulations and rendering. At work I use a high end Quadro and Xeon on an HP ZBook G4... At home I use a i76700k and GTX 970 G1 and my desktop blows it out of the water. In all my 15 years as an engineer using Catia, Solid Works (worst CAD software period), Inventor and Creo 4 (formerly Pro/E) and I have never noticed any significant jump in performance using Xeon and Quadro setups. Just make sure you have a lot of RAM, preferably 32+.
yes, it comes down to how well a vendor is able to utilise hardware and the type of computation. In houdini, does a Quadro p6000 improve simulation speed? Yes, by a tonne.
You seem to be the right person to ask my questions, since I am about to start mechanical engineering in half a year, do you think I should get the G4 which is recommended, and on sale for students, or just get a laptop with a GTX 1050 instead, to have more of an all round laptop? Since it is really hard to find a compass of rendering for that purpose and all.
I'm a Design Engineer as and couldn't agree more. I use top end Quadro and Xeon at work, 5820k and GTX770 at home. No difference in performance in Solidworks for complex models and assemblies. Blender is good the more cores you have.
This type of video should be updated every year. It's amazing how little information there is about Quadros or Firepros on youtube, and it's amazing the amount of people passing erroneous information all over the internet.
Tanner Sims first of all your assumption is wrong, this is about an AMD card and not cpu even intel use their graphics. second this video is NOT sponsored by intel. third they have other AMD cards and CPUs . again the either AMD did not provide them or they didn't ask for their pro cards from some unapparent reason.
Ae is singlethreaded so faster clocks C4d as many cores as possible with best gpus you can afford and if possible quadros. Octane render needs as many cuda cores as you can give him, multiple gforce cards. Maya same as cinema, Houdini higher clocks cpus with many cores for sims and a geforce will do the job to.
@@darviniusb You clearly know shit about this software. AE is multithreaded for rendering (the most challenging/slow task in AE usage), this ain't 1992 anymore. Many C4D functions are single threaded, so you want the fastest clock speed you can find for editor use, and many cores/highest speed you can for rendering. Big multicore processors with a slower clock speed make your productivity go DOWN in C4D, and gpu is basically irrelevant until you start working with scenes with millions of polys as they are not used for rendering at all without going to the new and buggy prorender which 100% of everybody is not using because if you want gpu rendering you'd go to octane.
Using Ae for almost 20 years(unfortunetly), and Fusion and Nuke for 10, all big 3d softwares as well. Ae needs higher clocks and if you have a 24-48 core machine i would love to see a project in ae using all the cores at max. Had projects i could not even open and needed to batch render them from command line and even rendered with Ae in small farms. Some projects where to big for even 64 GB ram so i had to redo some. C4d is doing well in my 50 mil plus production scenes or even bigger. Biggest was arround 1 bilion rendered with Arnold so yes i know wtf i am saying. No one uses the crappy C4d physical anymore, thats a joke. Prorender, are you crazy, thats experimental stuff for now. Vray, Arnold, RS, Octane yes. The projects i am talking about requires you to turn off all the textures in the viewport or reduce to minimum the details in viewport on the highest end workstations you cant afford, not kiddy stundent work. We did try octane last year for some of our big animations but it had a serious bug while rendering animations and would not work in our pipeline. I render in local farms or rebus nowdays a lot, and for huge resolutions and fast delivery red shift. 50 mil plus scenes work great on RS and triple gpu workstations. Did renderfarms alone and managed a few, so i know what i am talking. As many cores as possible are most important for rendering , of course having higher clocks and many cores is the best. but the price for that is not worth most of the time. Also almost all 3D softwares even simulations are nowdays multithreaded or going that way and if a user uses singlethreaded operations then, sory for you but you need to manage the scene better. Trust me that 200+ cores at 2,5 GHz+ are more faster then 16 at 5Ghz .
Aspects of what both of you are saying are right. I think clock speed does offer an advantage over more threads in Cinema 4D when CPU rendering, but having more threads is still advantageous for many applications within the environment. Realistically when you're doing this kind of work you just want to go for the highest Cinebench scoring chip you can get within your budget.
So... you compare NVIDIA's professional line to AMD's consumer and dual purpose professional/consumer GPUs without ever taking a look at any Radeon professional cards. WX, Pro Duo, PRO SSG, where are all of these lines? Did you use the compute option available in the latest Adrenaline drivers to maximize performance in these workloads? This is pretty much saying Ford is better than Toyota for work trucks because this F150 could carry more equipment and materials than this Corolla, and didn't give the Corolla the advantage of the optional tow hitch and a trailer.
I agree with that. Linus should have included cards like the Radeon SSG or the WX9100 just so we can see what team red (blue in the instance of RPRO) has to offer for the professional market. Kinda biased to only include the Radeon RX series cards imho.
First you go into Geforce control panel then manage 3D settings. under there look for optimize for compute performance then turn it on. This is also how you mine if you are into crypto mining.
Unfortunately, I didn't find this option when I'm using GTX1080Ti, but I did find it when my GTX970m is enabled. They are both CUDA 9.1 drivers(same installer)
Could I get a laptop with a Rx 460 and amd a10 9630p for cad My minimum spec I need is a Quadro k4000 or equilevent And a i5 of i7 processor equilevent
I was pretty disappointed that he didn't have any of the WX series cards on here, im running the 3100, which is the cheapest one in the series and have had no problem in large assemblies using autodesk inventor
WX cards struggle in solidworks but work great with inventor, something with the driver pathway with the amd pro drivers just don't play well with solidworks.
Can you please make new video with 2020-21 new hardwares? Suggestion: make video in aspect of devlopers (.net, android, php etc..) , web server handlers(devops), video editor (adobe after effect, premiere), graphics designers, 3d model makers. You always make video for gamers. You should make video for productivity. And help them to build best pc to improve thier productivity. This really help a lot for lots of people out thier. Suggest them best hardware that they can possibly buy (i.e. Mx master 3 mouse for devlopers and video editors). I really hope that you will help them. 🙂
When I was in undergrad and using SolidWorks and AutoDesk basically everyday, I used a phenom II 840 all stock. Thats it; no GPU at all and here I am with a degree in biomedical engineering
What about the Radeon Pro series from AMD ? For example, you have the option of purchasing a new Radeon Pro WX3100 for ~200 USD. That can drive three 4K displays at 60Hz. It might help to do a comparison with this GPU series as well. Maybe a few benchmarks. And, for example, you could try and stick with sub-300$ GPU options while making the comparison. It would address a broader audience (the hobbyists that do 3D modelling in their spare time and don't have 800+ USD to spend on a Quadro P4000, for example). Also, maybe you could talk to an expert, and make a minimal configuration for working with more complicated assemblies in Solidworks. You could also try and see which 3D modelling software (Solidworks, Catia, Maya, Blender etc.) takes advantage of which GPU series (AMD Radeon Pro or Nvidia Quadro) - render times, complicated assemblies etc. Also, as a final thought, you could try and make a comparison with older professional GPUs that you can buy for cheap from eBay. I've been watching your videos for a while! I'm a big fan! Keep up the good work!
He has a point Linus Media Group. do not disappoint us again :))) It was not a fair comparison. As @MrRORVI said, try sticking to a lower price. Who wants to get serious with 3D modeling and real time simulations has more options the somebody with a lower budget (doing it as a hobby or for personal projects). HOPE YOU SEE THIS.
Most likely either didn't remember, or completely ruled them out since Vega seemed good enough, of course, i'm not Linus. And or maybe he never considered them because of Driver Issues or whatsoever, or maybe AMD aren't the types of people to hand out such cards despite Age and price.
Yes. And add Rhinoceros 3D + Grasshopper, 3DS Max, Maya, & Houdini FX as well. I am quite sure the Rhino 6 actually utilizes multiple cores now (Rhino 5 & older only depended on single-core performance)
The most useful video in a long time. Here’s another idea, Premiere Pro testing! Cuda vs open CL, mainstream gpu’s vs professional gpu’s like quadro and firepro, same thing for cpu’s!
Yeah, really disappointed they basically ignored anything other than Solidworks, and didn't even mention the fact that some software that uses CUDA isn't gonna do well with an AMD GPU.
richie1317 this is not useful there shilling for nvidia if you want the best bang for your buck don’t buy quadros literally buy and good gaming card and the fastest single thread performing cpu. Quadro only advantage is they have a driver that enables realview if you don’t use it then they are bullshit a 700 dollar p2000 is a 1050ti in reality.
Hey Linus! I am an aspiring sound designer, can you make a video that goes through computer hardware that covers what can be an ultimate computer for a sound mixer?
Don Bastian you don't need much. Any modern cpu with 4 GB of ram and 1tb HDD will work. What matters must is the D/A converters which you'd have to buy from like Sweetwater or guitar center.
ezar howard I heard once about increasing rendering speed using a GPU. I'm not quite sure how it works but apparently it works incredibly well, do you know about anything about that? It could be quite useful for me
FAST HARD DRIVES........ AS MANY AS YOU CAN GET. I run a i7 with 16gb of ram, a 250 gb nvme drive for os, a 1tb mass storage hard drive for regular programs, a 3tb hard drive for my music files and a 500gb ssd for music programs. Music files will add up quick especially if your like me and you keep every little idea that you make.
Oh you'll need some specialised computer hardware for that (if you wanna go pro) grab yourself a soundcard. Chuck it in a home desktop. She'll be right.
I love how he's talking about all these updates and in my old job we did SW of machine assemblies that can fit in building with +1000 parts with only a standard Dell precision laptob.
I do, however, think that the title was very generalized and the actual video did not give a generalized use case scenario, which would have been a better match for for this title.
By the time you start playing with assemblies that contain a significant amount of parts and would require beefy hardware to render, you're most likely working in a decent company that has all the gear you need anyway. For non-commercial stuff, just buy any reasonable computer with sane specs and call it a day.
Pfft, I wish they provided all the gear I needed. I'm a mechanical 3D modeller and the computers at the international company I work at are garbage hah
Cody Stringer I'm so so sorry... At least I have 16gb, which very often gets capped. I often do rooms (big big rooms) full of furniture, and assemblies with thousands (when this video said like 500 I laughed) parts.
We use Autodesk Inventor with i7-6700, 16GB Ram and Nvidia Quadro K420 1GB because some "I know CAD stuff" guy recommended this shitty VGA to our IT guy. Unfortunately Inventor uses DirectX and the card runs at 100% almost all the time. -.-"
We use the exact same hardware at my place, down the the K420 along with Autodesk Inventor. So I really really feel you pain bro. Doesn't help that Inventor leaks memory like nobody's business either.
I'm not even going to watch this video - I have been doing CG since 1980, programming 3D since 1982, 3D animation since 1995! The answer is Yes, if you are using AutoCAD, if not then no. Simples. Longer Answer: In AutoCAD, if you have a machine with 40,000 nuts of the same type then the model as one nut and 40,000 'instances', the Quadro does the rest. Surfaces can be spline based too so are virtualised, the card draws them its own way. 3D animation software works on polygons and sub-div surfaces (not the same thing) so doesn't require that level of sophistication. Lastly, the geometry engine on the Quadro is vastly superior. Games and animation are 'suspension of disbelief' whereas CAD is seeing something accurately. The floating point operation level is orders of magnitude better.
WHOA WHOA WHOA. No Nvidia is NOT better, no CUDA is NOT needed. Give me a break, the misinformation is extreme here. CUDA is the same as Stream Processors with AMD. The only difference is that some softwares take advantage of "CUDA cores" (as if they're some mighty cores) because they only optimize their software for Nvidia. My AMD Fury rips the 1070 and even 1080 a new asshole when it comes to game design and rendering because it has more power, AMD has always had more raw processing power whereas Nvidia only cares about speed, which is only good for FPS. AMD offers free Radeon Prorender, whereas with Nvidia you have to Shell out $300 to use their renderer that does the same thing. Nvidia makes you pay for $100 extra Vsync too. Seriously how could you even say something so stupid when Linus literally just showed you benchmarks of AMD shreading Nvidia in Solid works. And the only reason "Quadro" or even the WX series GPUs have any lead on gaming GPUs is not because they have more power (in fact they have half the power) but because they are optimize ld for the softwsre
I also tested that kinda stuff lately and was really surprised by my old quadro 600 which I considered pretty much useless because in gaming it delivered igpu performance. But when testing it with solidworks it actually performed just as good as my gtx 960 and on some occasions even better!
Wait...so you just recommended the Xeon W 18 core for the "upgrade" option for multicore rendering at 2500$ (excluding the cost of the board and wasn't even included in the benchmarks) and completely ignored Threadripper at HALF that price for the same performance AND including benchmarks that show 2 Xeons with 44 cores in total not even being 100% faster than that 16 core TR?? As well as completely ignoring that AMD's WX series GPU's even exist? What gives??
SepherixTheDragon I agree on this. The 8700k is a massively overrated CPU, I don't see why he recommends it in EVERY single fucking video for EVERYTHING when you have TR, X299, X99 (for cheaper) Epyc, and better Xeon second hand CPUs... He's also ignoring other GPU options. Linus is just not genuine anymore
I have a second hand Xeon e5 2680 v2 (10c/20t), I don’t do modelling but I do a tonne of Virtualization and I can tell you that it is a total beast and it only costed me $220!
A lot of high powered applications don't play with AMD hardware very well. For instance, tensor flow works much better on Nvidia GPUs. Its a sad but true reality, perhaps if AMDs popularity keeps rising developers with optimize for it better.
Between Linus who does this shit for a living and all of y'all doctors in engineering, I'm going with what Linus is saying. You gotta keep in mind that simple performance isn't the only priority. You need platform stability. If you're working on a 50,000$ project and you lose it because your cpu decided to be retarded, the performance doesn't matter. And if you look at most workstations, blade servers and data centers anywhere, intel is a clear choice.
No, go to WX 2990 is 50% more faster than the i9 7980XE in multirendering ;) AMD 5100 points in cinebench 5700 with a little overclock Intel 3400 points The reason AMD has 64 threads and Intel has 36 threads.
+shard gaming yes, but those that he tested apparently worked just fine using openCL and the AMD pro cards are better than the consumer RX cards at that.
This timing is incredible, I’ve just ordered a custom build Solidsorks/Autocad PC today! Did some research as well and ended up with this setup: Specs: CPU: Intel Core i7 8700K (will over Clock up to 5Ghz) Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 RAM: 32Gb DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws V Series Motherboard: AsRock Z370 Fatal1ty Professional Gaming motherboard (Supports 10GbE & Thunderbolt with extra PCI) SSD: Samsung 960 PRO MZ-V6P512BW (Crazy fast SSD) GPU: NVIDIA Quadro P4000 PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra 750W Titanium Case: Fractal Design Define R6 TG Mouse: Logitech MX Master 2S All just under €3K
ropiko nice. But I really don't like the MX Master. I find the Performance MX or a Corsair Scimitar Pro much more comfortable and useful. Have your had a chance to put your hands on a Master yet? What did you think? I really wanted to like it; it's such a good looking mouse but I found the side button placement not working for me.
Adam Weeks no I haven’t yet, I’ve did some reading online to figure out who uses what mouse for solid works and multiple people said this one, but I will send it back if it’s not OK. Maybe I’ll order your suggestion as well to compare
This was interesting. But it only applies to SolidWorks. Other CAD software like CATIA, PTC Creo and AutoCAD would also be interesting. And you need to make another episode(s) on hardware for FEM and CFD like Hyperworks and Abaqus like you mentioned in your video, but also Ansys (the FEM version), Ansys Flunt / CFX, MSC Adams, Star-CCM+
He sort of does touch on it. Most of those use multiple cores, unlike SW which sticks to one core. That's why it's sort of a blanketed statement when you aim for as high of a single thread clock speed, then toss more cores at it.
agreed, but I think the WX 7100 might be better bang for buck, as you get VR support and an actual 6-pin power deliver so room for OCs. but for less than 300 bucks, teh wx 5100 is a great deal
v Nyggi well I see your point but if for the same price I also get some VR after hours why not; also AMD cards have dual drivers so in gaming mode you can easily increase power delivery and get the 7100 to perform very close to and RX 480/580
Solidworks has always worked better on quadro over FirePro as it has features that specifically work on quadros and not on FirePro cards. But personally I prefer quadros but that is just a bias.
The notebook you show in 1:21 has a known software compatibility bug that slows the rendering of lines when you select something. By tweaking the windows registry files to correct the graphic card register you can make it 10x faster.
So its pretty clear that workstation cards are far superior for this workload. With that this comparison is of little value without including half of the cards people should be considering (WX / fire pro).
Was excited, but I do not agree to this conclusion, because no engineer is only using solid works without a ton of extra stuff open. Like browser tabs excel sheets pdf's and outlook. So I rather have more cores and keep all my stuff running good instead of less cores and have only solid works running a bit faster. And for the 500 parts, this is when you do not have large assembly mode active, and you should be kicked in the balls if you load a 500 parts assembly and not have large assembly mode active. Therefore a p6000 or p5000 is only useful for massive calculations for simulations or other science stuff. This is all a bit overkill. But well if you say too your boss, I rather have the moneys then you are getting shit. So in the end I agree with Linus and GET ALL THE STUFF! If you need to buy it for yourself just get a P1000 if you really only going to use it for modeling.
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Haas Don't forget the most used tool. The snipping tool! Can't build cars with out it!
From what i remember quadro/firepro are just good because of the drivers..no special silicon..i remember there were hacked drivers in the past so you can use them on consumer cards..
i watched it. now look up some specs. since linus conveniently ignored the radeon pro series. and coming from real life experience (something you lack) i can tell you the 580 is inferior in cad design to a wx7100.
No Radeon Pro WX cards in the lineup? The WX 7100 are only $450 right now, where are the RX cards are insanely price high at the moment, for what they are. The WX drivers are vetted for like 99% of CAD, rendering and other workstation software.
SolidWorks is a very popular software in Mech Eng and it seems many people have experienced problems with AMD cards. I use an entry level quadro M1000 in my laptop and it runs SolidWorks and it runs perfectly. I think his recommendation for Quadro cards is justified.
@@BaliMystic Not sure which AMD cards you're talking about, I've been using a FirePro w5000 on Solidworks 2013 at uni. It blows away other Quadro cards. I'll have to admit that there used to be a few bugs every now and then but imo the performance advantage was well worth it. After the newer driver updates, I couldn't have asked for more!
+Abdullah Mudassir you summed it up perfectly. Performance is buggy which is exactly what most are trying to avoid when using SolidWorks, especially a 5 year old version!
@@BaliMystic just my own personal observations. The AMD workstation drivers used to crash occasionally. But even back then it was worth it for me given the surplus performance. Ctrl+S all the way :)
??? I'm the one who writes the system recommendation for GoEngineer (one of the largest VARs globally) we were sent demo units for all of AMD cards. After testing we removed all AMD recommendations from our site and our partner sites. I can't go into more detail than that. The cards have great specs but the drivers kill the cards, if they could fix the drivers AMD could have decent graphics cards.
FX-6300, 8Gb of RAM, AMD 7790 2Gb and 240 Gb SSD. I can run Unreal Engine 4, Blender and Maya 2016 with no problems. And I also made my own game in UE4.
Yeah PC specs for anything other than rendering is overrated. You can use a laptop with an i5 and 8 gigs of DDR3 and still have a decent work flow with 3d modeling. If you're doing things like environments or VFX than a Ryzen 3 or i5 with a 1050ti or decent AMD integrated graphics will suffice. Only thing you can justify spending over $2000 for is a 3D Rendering PC but it might be cheaper just to use a render farm.
Yeah you don't a really expensive PC for things like 3d modeling, game design, or video editing once you get at least a 1060 and a Ryzen 7 or i7 processor. Other than 3D rendering those will suffice and even then it really depends on what you're rendering because on my old laptop with an i5 and iGPU I rendered 3d animations all the time.
I have a 6300 too, but thought I would have to get some insane CPU to even consider doing stuff like this haha. Is your game on Steam or something though? I want to check it out now
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I know that all you guy don't agree with the video. So, here are the most correct answer. It depend on the software you're working with. Optimized for Quadro - Siemen NX - Solidworks - Catia Not Optimized for Quadro - Autodesk 3ds Max - Autodesk Maya - PTC Creo - Autodesk AutoCAD - Blender - AMD Radeon ProRender - Redshift - Chaos Group V-Ray - Octane renderer - FStorm renderer - Adobe Premiere Pro - MAGIX Vegas Pro 16 - DaVinci Resolve - Adobe After Effect Need more info: - Revit: Not Optimized for Quadro (www.cgdirector.com/best-pc-for-cad-autocad-solidworks/) - Inventor: Not Optimized for Quadro(www.cgdirector.com/best-pc-for-cad-autocad-solidworks/) Leave a reply if you want me to make a video explain why this happen.
Why weren't included the AMD workstation class GPUs in the comparison? I is quite obvious that the whole video becomes misleading and unfair without them.
All major studios use NVidia GPUs, which is what he's going off of. AMD workstation GPUs, while cheaper, are just that; cheaper, in both speed and price. On top of that, AMD does not give the workstation graphics users access to a dedicated library of assets, like NVidia does (Gameworks, Hairworks, Lightworks). These are also a big part of why studios use them (Square Enix is an example).
That's entirely not true. AMD's GPUs have historically performed better at compute across the board. Whether the software supports their pipelines is another issue entirely but AMD doesn't exactly keep their libraries closed off as much as nVidia does. It doesn't matter what -everyone- uses, if you're going to do comparisons at least make it fair and use the proper products from the competition to make your analysis have more weight. It's a bit disconcerting to see that Linus completely left out AMD's workstation cards by pretending they didn't exist at all. He even mentions that the Quadros have a superior driver pathway [for compute] and yet he still compares them to VEGA. As for Threadripper. I only take issue with his justification for simulation performance. Single core performance is nice and all but it means jack shit if your simulation is prone to errors, hence the importance of EEC memory. That's a huge selling point for Threadripper because it offers comparable performance while maintaining high end features that the i7's lack.
Vega Frontier is a $1000 GPU that caters more toward developers rather than consumers, which is why not many people have them. I can understand that he should've used some of Radeon's cards (which I know he can afford). Also, I've worked with both Radeon and Quadro. Quadro's been the champ for 3D rendering, except on Blender, which is a program that is more optimized for AMD GPUs. Programs like Maya, Octane and Redshift rely more heavily on NVidia hardware, and those are all industry standard programs.
I work with Inventor pro 18 on my home desktop. This machine has an i5 4670k @4GHz and a GTX1070 in it, and I can work perfect on medium sized gearbox modells (around 200 parts, excluding screws). On work I have a way slower PC with an old AMD FX and some cheap nVidia GT in it, this struggles with big assemblies but you can work just fine with smaller assemblies (100 parts or less excluding screws). The only thing that takes time on both machines are FFT Analysises and complex geometry tasks like calculating new cable strants without many given variables. For me the limiting part is mostly the RAM, with big assemblies you can catch up to over 16GB just for Inventor very quickly depending on the grade of detail. With that said: I just model and simulate these parts and assemblies. I do not render them. I am an engineer, not an designer or a salesman.
I was looking for this kind of comment. You really don't need a fast GPU with engineering, maybe for graphic design, but really the consumer grade stuff is perfectly fine, especially for FEA.
this misinformation was fed to linus by his subordinate. nonetheless, its fairly useful for engineering students. who will end up working for corporations who just throw HP Z series desktops at the problem. the Real user are mograph, gamedev, and previz creators, who swear by Nvidia and use much more different software.
I'd agree with all of this if you're a hobbyist or student. But if you spend 40+hrs a week sitting behind a CAD machine, then you should really understand your workflow and tailor your system accordingly. ECC and supported drivers are a minimum. 16GB ram is tight too. Ive never worked anywhere where the fastest machine available wasn't the best option, even if you factor in cost. Engineers are expensive, paying a high salary for someone who browses TH-cam on their cellphone while waiting for a simulation to end is wasteful.
yeah my gf does graphic design shes working with this .tif files or something and her 32 gigs of ram isnt enough. so not sure where he is saying 16gb is minimum for cad. imo its 32 for cad. 16 gigs for a gaming pc.
I doubt a purchasing manager for an engineering company is going to be getting tips from Linus. This kind of video is aimed at college students and the like.
Flyinghotpocket this really depends and no one should point and someone else's use case and say, "that's the minimum". Also image gfx design is a completely different use case. It's about knowing what the designers/engineers work requires. Do you need rendering and at what detail level? Do you need local or networked rendering? Do you do large or small assemblies? What proportion of your work consists of large (>500part) assemblies? Then you have to evaluate costs. Our previous workstations were 16GB systems with mid grade workstation gfx cards. For our type of work this covered us completely. No one shoe fits all.
Paul Bradshaw this is obviously not geared towards the self employed professional, those sitting behind a workstation for 40+hrs a week, or those with company purchasing decision capability. Like you yourself said, "You should really understand your workflow and tailor your system accordingly." Everything after that is moot since again this video is not intended to setting up an office full of engineers. Even so, not every use case requires the track capable supercar. In the professional engineering environment, you'll be hard pressed to find designers not on workstations of some sort. But they will be in every variety depending on what industry they are serving. I agree on the ECC ram and it would rare to find a professional workstation without it. However, 16GB is fine if, like you said, you understand your workflow. The fastest machine available is not necessarily the best or most cost-effective option.
Im a CAD Detailer and 3D BIM Modeler. The answer is YES. Quadro all the way! I work in Revit MEP, AutoCAD Fabrication MEP and use Navisworks to fly through the building models.
did the writer of the video know that autoCAD is more popular than solidworks? the benches for everything is much different based on the autoCAD demographic. I kind of feel like the video does a little justice for potential buyers, but not truly a real accurate way to scew the larger picture of the market.
More popular with who? Every engineering firm I have worked with uses Solidworks or NX. I used to enjoy AutoCAD, but not too many use it near where Linus lives (Vancouver, BC).
I'm working at an engineering firm in Alberta, working on a project going on in Washington. We use Inventor, although my university's eng design classes are taught in SW. Our workstations have firepro's, but when a pc went down recently they replaced it with a 1060 due to the current gpu shortages. (Fkn miners) I have a 980 in my desktop at home, and haven't personally noticed any differences compared to our workstations. I think the real story here is, kind of ironically, the old story of OpenGL vs DirectX. Inventor (by Autodesk, also makers of AutoCAD) switched to DirectX in 2010, while SW still uses OpenGL. Disc: I don't know what model of cards the workstations use. Here's something I thought was a decent read, although it might have been confirmation bias. blog.grabcad.com/blog/2016/02/04/apis-gpus-and-drivers-cad-graphical-conspiracy/
Every engineer uses soildworks, I should know cause I work with the engineers of other companies. Auto Cad is for people who make floor layouts. Aka 2D drawlings... Boreing
WE NEED A 2023 VERSION FOR THISSSS!!! btw could you guys throw in some budgety gaming laptops for the students heading to universities. Keep up the amazing work guys 👏
This really really needs to have a 2021 follow up Linus! GET ON IT DAWG! We really need this now with the new cards and dump of the quatro lineup
Yup I was going to say that
Now 2022
Yep neeed it!!! haha
But they use solidworks in benchmarks?
Yes Linus please please please make an update for us!!!!!2022
Can we get a 2020/2021 update on this topic ? There is very little information out there
See above. Works great!!
Can you update this video with 2020 hardware?
yes please. Also, that's a hell of a *budget* config. 8700k is still pricey in 2019 for a budget option
+1 for an update to this video. For many of us in the 3D Cad and Modeling (architectural design, engineering, etc.) this information is hard to come by and a lot of us work from our home machines. Great stuff!
@@justinma9537 Thank you. I hope they can do something like this soon.
I personally wouldn't as setups vary per CAD program so saying it's for CAD is misselling it.
Yeah, ryzen has given this a whole twist.
Please update this video for 2019!
Agree
yea, new threadripper 2020 beat it intel xeon
2020 actually ahahahah
deff a redub needed, outdated info even though it was 2 years ago
For 2020 u mean
Please rename this video to '3D CAD modelling and design'. Because in a regular 3D environment in a vfx or motiongraphics pipeline you're not going to benefit from quadro at all.
They have little to no benefit in maya/houdini/c4d/max.
Also if you are going to do gpu rendering you will need a nvidia card, because most gpu render engines use cuda. So AMD is out of the question there. AMD does perform slightly better on opencl so may be better for gpu based simulation loads (like houdini opencl nodes) But overall I recommend nvidia for that.
CPU workload for workstation I recommend higher clocked i9s over xeons due to most 3d applications not being fully multithreaded, your overal workflow will be faster on a faster clocked system then a high thread/low clock one (talking from experience here)
Your benefit on having a lot of cores will be rendering or heavy simulation (or having simulations run as background tasks while you continue to work) But for a workstation I'd then still recommend getting a lower core one and getting a extra few cheap ebay xeon rendernodes on the side.
I agree
More like please rename this to best hardware for solidworks.
^ Pls upvote this comment so it goes to the top. Very misleading for maya/max/blender users
Agreed on all points. I would add that offloading rendering to one of the many cheap cloud solutions is probably more sensible than spending a ton of money on 8+ core Xeons and ECC memory.
Very well said
You should do a more "artist" friendly version of this video: with 3DS Max / Maya / Blender, Zbrush, Unreal, etc.
Or Computer simulations, CFD etc.
John Doe yup
All of those doesn´t utilise Quadro. Look at Pugetsystems comparisons. In 3d, SolidWorks is actually single software where Quadro beats GTX. And this SPECviewPerf is a rubish comparison - it compares multuple softwares and gives a single number - but you actually work in just one software.
Similar thing applies really to CFD, just more of it. Depending on compute loads you would also start looking towards proper data centre cards like the Tesla series and high speed interconnects like Infiniband or Omnipath for MPI between nodes. Linus is a cool guy, but none of that would be his forte lol.
I like the idea... but I see 3D art stuff everywhere... I think this is the first casual C.A.D video I've ever seen that isn't just projectile vomiting of information.
Please revisit the CAD system again. With the new consumer graphics card, we would love to hear your test results.
Softwares: Siemens NX, AutoDesk PowerMill
also rhino
Autodesk runs with anything, I would like to see the AMD firepro/Pro cards included here.
Autodesk Inventor has a benchmark utility. I don't know how useful that is, but I'd like to see those results also.
Blender
Also Please test BIG assemblies in catia and Revvit or other BIM. Also test FEA and CFD.
It's amazing how hard it is to get real information about this kind of stuff out of companies like Autodesk. The problem is that they don't want to reccomend anything because no matter what you buy, their software will run like shit. Heyoooo... I'd like more content like this. An update with more software products would be cool.
watch this ... its clear that older software is coupled to older gpu (or NO gpu) technology at drivers level (which nobody will/can rewrite as entire app is bound to theirs approach), new apps written from scratch are doing better on new GPUs or technically CAN (no matter if consumer or pro card - they are still almost the same internally these days as they was 30 years ago) ... so some NEW 3d modelling tools can work well even on consumer/game-cards, which are far more powerful today (but, designated by "consumer"-warnings because of high kill/return-rate in crypto-mining farms, probably - sure, 3d modelling software does almost NOTHING vs live dynamic game running in real time vs constant full load by crypto-bastards) ... its then again all on the elite/politics to dedicate some kind of software to some kind of hardware ie some kind of expensive elite class of engineers ... is it still acceptable for 21st century??? NO :-)
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I use an old i5 with 8GB of ram and a gtx550ti for 3d stuff in Blender. Well, it really teaches how to handle resources :D
That's reassuring! I was planning to lightly get into it when I upgrade my PC in a few months (after I get my tax return)
You will be fine with even a lower setup than mine, blender does a really good job with handling large scenes (especially on linux). Rendering speed is an other topic though :D
Good luck with it! :)
I wouldn't mind having to wait a while for it to render tbh. I would be too excited to see something created by me in such a way I never thought possible. I would pretty much just start messing around with it and make simple meshes and models, maybe figure out how to do small weapon/junk retextures in games and go from there if I like it. You said you handle large scenes. What do you mean by that? You can make full environments using just Blender?
Jonathan Miller I'm sure you will love it. Many people have a hard time with the user interface, since it's really different from that ms-office styled system. But after they're over it, it's a great fun to explore and create.
Well, you can do basically anything in it. From simple lowpoly game models to complex photorealistic scenes. The more time i spend with blender, the more i realize that not the software is the limiting factor for good art, nor the hardware (even though it helps), but the human skill.
I hope you will have good experiences with it :)
bro! intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz,9400gt 1gb on cinema 4d rendering 3d text to put inside a video!
I'd love to see you guys redo this video using modern hardware (RTX; Xeon vs, say, threadripper; ECC necessity?). You took a hard CAD slant with this last video. How about the abundant creative community using software like Maya, Vray, Arnold, Zbrush, Substance Painter, etc?
@Linus tech tips, it's time to update your recommendation. Looking forward to it. Cheers.
Used workstation is the way to go now (like a Dell Optiplex, HP Z400, or Lenovo ThinkCentre)
I really would like to see how rtx cards play in this.
@@StYfReX was thinking the same thing
Hello. Please suggest me a good cpu and gpu . Help me out. My budget is 1000 $
@@gulamsarwar2189 rx580, b450 motherboard with the latest update bios and a 3600. the rx 580 is like 180 at max i think, and the rx570 is like a 480 and is at 120 usd aprox and with 2 games i think(lol), the new cpus are like 220, a b450 is cheap and if you can go for an x570.
Can you make such a video for Architecture in specific!
The net doesn’t have a good video on that topic and it covers a bigger spectrum of softwares
I second that. Would really appreciate a comparison between how Quadro cards and Geforce cards perform in some of the most common architectural softwares: Revit, ArchiCAD, Rhino, SketchUp and AutoCAD. Such comparisons are surprisingly absent.
i want that video !!!
I'm learning Archicad and Revit for smaller residential & commercial buildings, and so far I haven't really seen any need for even an expensive gaming card. Even my old laptop builtin gpu is generally ok for modelling, and an old gtx750 is good on my desktop. When rendering, it'll depend which rendering engine you're using, ones I've been using seem to be mostly or totally cpu-based.
@@johanwalll do you get the information?
@@archietech89 What do you mean? What information?
wow, I have to say that the transition at 0:40 was so smooth af that I had to watch it again and then a third time. Nice work
Lol so ture
I think it started as a mask on the monitor and then faded the mask out to reveal the whole video.
Justin Chin I would have said that it was just a completely green monitor and it was used as a greed screen
Yep
lookie eight I don't think so, you can see they add a black bezel on the monitor to help with alignment and that the mounting bracket on the Vega FE disappears. Also the GPU's get a highlight at the same time, but the reflection of the monitor on the marble countertop doesn't change. Actually, rewatching the video I can see at 9:26 that it starts off as a black screen with a white reflection and the fresh books slide doesn't match the monitor bezels either.
What happened to the Radeon Pro WX series?
Most of this is really only valid advice for CAD designers/engineering students. A 3D artist, animator or game designer would be making quite a poor choice with 16GB or RAM and a P4000. Maybe the title could be a little more specific.
Yeah, the title is a bit too generalized. Nvidia is king at Vray RT hands down, and can use SLI. Vray Adv however might see nice performance with Ryzen(haven't checked benchmark but it likes to have many cores)
Yeah I'm Studying that stuff in University in a few months wish they made a video about that too
yes... yes it is for C.A.D students... now... how about while you're at it you ask the other 10000 other videos on the art programs to specify that they are for the art programs...
United States of Embarrassment I really don't think a professional 3D artist, animator, or game designer is going to be checking LinusTechTips to find out what computer to buy. Their employer will be providing a sufficient computer.
He mentions programs like Solidworks and talks about engineering classes so it should be more than obvious what he is referencing.
Imagine having a really large channel where you can just ask big companies to give you stuff for free.
No
@@Sidowse no
Get 11 million subs and you too shall get sponsored !
Maybe Linus just borrowed the parts?
@@tridiots3681 Depends tho. Ive heard some reviewers actually get to keep some sent items but for sponsored reviews they will mostly return the item as reviewers are paid with money
Anyone else disappointed that Radeon Pro series weren't included to truly compare. I have a WX3100, and it's fantastic for lower end CAD design. I even bought it from New Egg US site, shipped to the UK since it saved me over £20 at the time Inc p&p VAT and Imp Tax.
I was. They’re quite cheap tho.
Did you expect them to feature AMD cards in a video sponsored by a company that only sells nVidia cards?
No FirePro/WX series? Seriously?
also dissapointment; I think the WX 7100 outperforms the P4000 and it is cheaper.
Without AMD WX ,why?
Need an update for 2024
@@JAckaSS5337 threadripper and trx40 mobo lol
Why no AMD WX Radeon Pro series cards in this comparison? I think its a bit unfair to compare AMD consumer level cards against Quadros, especially since AMD does offer workstation cards which are designed for those sorts of work loads. Even the frontier edition isn't a fully fledged workstation card. Still a great video just would of liked to have seen an apples to apples comparison between Quatro and the Radeon Pro series cards.
Jacob Yarr vega frontier has access to radeon pro drivers
They did include the Radeon Pro series, while its not branded Radeon Pro the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is currentley AMD's top end card and it uses Radeon Pro drivers and AMD's next generation harware design that will underpin future Radeon Pro cards.
WX 9100 is top end, moreso than Frontier
I want to see these tests with the AMD pro cards. Literally was a waste of time of a video without these cards.
Even the entry level 3100 has way better performance to price than nvidias entry level workstation gpus
Where is the Radeon Pro WX card?
I'm a Mechanical Engineer, and work with 17,000 part models, simulations and rendering. At work I use a high end Quadro and Xeon on an HP ZBook G4... At home I use a i76700k and GTX 970 G1 and my desktop blows it out of the water. In all my 15 years as an engineer using Catia, Solid Works (worst CAD software period), Inventor and Creo 4 (formerly Pro/E) and I have never noticed any significant jump in performance using Xeon and Quadro setups. Just make sure you have a lot of RAM, preferably 32+.
yes, it comes down to how well a vendor is able to utilise hardware and the type of computation. In houdini, does a Quadro p6000 improve simulation speed? Yes, by a tonne.
You seem to be the right person to ask my questions, since I am about to start mechanical engineering in half a year, do you think I should get the G4 which is recommended, and on sale for students, or just get a laptop with a GTX 1050 instead, to have more of an all round laptop? Since it is really hard to find a compass of rendering for that purpose and all.
I'm a Design Engineer as and couldn't agree more. I use top end Quadro and Xeon at work, 5820k and GTX770 at home. No difference in performance in Solidworks for complex models and assemblies. Blender is good the more cores you have.
SP4NK H4RD thanks for the info 🤔😉👍
Solidworks is like a potato, meh for all things, but really good for none.
I wish there's an update in 2024
Why are you asking me, I don't know
Ikr, same
The idea of using solid works to represent all of CAD softwares bothers me.
Catia!!!
I know right!? We all know that Creo ist the state of the art.
Yeah, that's just happens to be the software they learn to use, way people learn and stick to it, than try anything else
Easier to use and looks better than creo, especially when creating the 2d drawings.
Revit pls
So what about AMD pro GPU cards? How did you not included these. Seriously...
AMD pro drivers do not play that well with solidworks, something in the driver path doesn't really work for them.
dstblj 52 many Ray tracer use cuda acceleration, open cl it’s not so diffused. So , a nvidia is really a good option for gpu render
Wait but Linus literally said in this video the 580 was amazing bang for the buck? Maybe it's cause English isn't your first language?
Affair ... well that was the strange part. Saying it was the best and then going back to nvidia in the summary
This type of video should be updated every year. It's amazing how little information there is about Quadros or Firepros on youtube, and it's amazing the amount of people passing erroneous information all over the internet.
Umm you totally ignored the WX cards, like why i wanted to see how they faired
cat Also totally forgot to try running RealHack on the gaming cards to enable professional graphics pipelines for them.....
either he didn't ask from AMD for their cards, or they didn't give him those cards
Tanner Sims first of all your assumption is wrong, this is about an AMD card and not cpu even intel use their graphics. second this video is NOT sponsored by intel. third they have other AMD cards and CPUs . again the either AMD did not provide them or they didn't ask for their pro cards from some unapparent reason.
please do one for VFX/Motiondesign software like Cinema 4d/Octane Render/Maya/After Effects/Houdini
Ae is singlethreaded so faster clocks
C4d as many cores as possible with best gpus you can afford and if possible quadros.
Octane render needs as many cuda cores as you can give him, multiple gforce cards. Maya same as cinema, Houdini higher clocks cpus with many cores for sims and a geforce will do the job to.
@@darviniusb You clearly know shit about this software. AE is multithreaded for rendering (the most challenging/slow task in AE usage), this ain't 1992 anymore. Many C4D functions are single threaded, so you want the fastest clock speed you can find for editor use, and many cores/highest speed you can for rendering. Big multicore processors with a slower clock speed make your productivity go DOWN in C4D, and gpu is basically irrelevant until you start working with scenes with millions of polys as they are not used for rendering at all without going to the new and buggy prorender which 100% of everybody is not using because if you want gpu rendering you'd go to octane.
Using Ae for almost 20 years(unfortunetly), and Fusion and Nuke for 10, all big 3d softwares as well. Ae needs higher clocks and if you have a 24-48 core machine i would love to see a project in ae using all the cores at max. Had projects i could not even open and needed to batch render them from command line and even rendered with Ae in small farms. Some projects where to big for even 64 GB ram so i had to redo some. C4d is doing well in my 50 mil plus production scenes or even bigger. Biggest was arround 1 bilion rendered with Arnold so yes i know wtf i am saying. No one uses the crappy C4d physical anymore, thats a joke. Prorender, are you crazy, thats experimental stuff for now. Vray, Arnold, RS, Octane yes. The projects i am talking about requires you to turn off all the textures in the viewport or reduce to minimum the details in viewport on the highest end workstations you cant afford, not kiddy stundent work. We did try octane last year for some of our big animations but it had a serious bug while rendering animations and would not work in our pipeline. I render in local farms or rebus nowdays a lot, and for huge resolutions and fast delivery red shift. 50 mil plus scenes work great on RS and triple gpu workstations. Did renderfarms alone and managed a few, so i know what i am talking. As many cores as possible are most important for rendering , of course having higher clocks and many cores is the best. but the price for that is not worth most of the time. Also almost all 3D softwares even simulations are nowdays multithreaded or going that way and if a user uses singlethreaded operations then, sory for you but you need to manage the scene better. Trust me that 200+ cores at 2,5 GHz+ are more faster then 16 at 5Ghz .
Aspects of what both of you are saying are right. I think clock speed does offer an advantage over more threads in Cinema 4D when CPU rendering, but having more threads is still advantageous for many applications within the environment. Realistically when you're doing this kind of work you just want to go for the highest Cinebench scoring chip you can get within your budget.
Any idea about Rhino+Vray? I am thinking about getting an AMD processor with a midrange quadro. I mainly do Architecture visualisations. Thank you
So... you compare NVIDIA's professional line to AMD's consumer and dual purpose professional/consumer GPUs without ever taking a look at any Radeon professional cards. WX, Pro Duo, PRO SSG, where are all of these lines? Did you use the compute option available in the latest Adrenaline drivers to maximize performance in these workloads? This is pretty much saying Ford is better than Toyota for work trucks because this F150 could carry more equipment and materials than this Corolla, and didn't give the Corolla the advantage of the optional tow hitch and a trailer.
the radeon pro line is a disaster
plz do a update by 2025, I figure by the time I graduate engineering ill build a proper workstation
Kinda bummed you didn't include the Radeon pro WX9000 series into the comparison but otherwise a great video :)
ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R im sure they wouldnt have gotten free quadros to sample if they included radeon pro
+ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R Welcome to NvidiaTechTips
I don't think it would honestly score much differently than the Vega Frontier edition
ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R i dont care if radeon pro would have won or not... It should have at least been present to fail. No reason to leave them out
I agree with that. Linus should have included cards like the Radeon SSG or the WX9100 just so we can see what team red (blue in the instance of RPRO) has to offer for the professional market. Kinda biased to only include the Radeon RX series cards imho.
RX580.... still costs $1k+ here! Also, WX Radeon Pro cards should have been included, if quadro were.
Couldn't get any Radeon Pro cards to add to the test?
Or simply didn't want to... tinfoil hat melts away... oh wait, thats no tinfoil hat, thats a T-1000............
We do our 3D modeling on quad core xeons and Quadro cards from 2015. Handles it just fine in 2020. Large scale manufacturing. Nothing small
Linus Tech Tips did you set your GPUs for compute performance instead of their default gaming stuff? Geforce especially there is a massive difference.
CreativePathoz That's actually a really good question
I don't recall seeing that option on my 1080, but to be fair I haven't really looked into it too much.
What will you compute? Solidworks doesn't use calculation GPU acceleration
First you go into Geforce control panel then manage 3D settings. under there look for optimize for compute performance then turn it on. This is also how you mine if you are into crypto mining.
Unfortunately, I didn't find this option when I'm using GTX1080Ti, but I did find it when my GTX970m is enabled. They are both CUDA 9.1 drivers(same installer)
Radeon Pro. ex WX 5100. Best deal.
Could I get a laptop with a Rx 460 and amd a10 9630p for cad
My minimum spec I need is a Quadro k4000 or equilevent
And a i5 of i7 processor equilevent
I was pretty disappointed that he didn't have any of the WX series cards on here, im running the 3100, which is the cheapest one in the series and have had no problem in large assemblies using autodesk inventor
techdiode should
WX cards struggle in solidworks but work great with inventor, something with the driver pathway with the amd pro drivers just don't play well with solidworks.
Well, I wish you the best in your cading career.
It's not tunnel bear today lol
sike
Can you please make new video with 2020-21 new hardwares?
Suggestion: make video in aspect of devlopers (.net, android, php etc..) , web server handlers(devops), video editor (adobe after effect, premiere), graphics designers, 3d model makers.
You always make video for gamers. You should make video for productivity. And help them to build best pc to improve thier productivity.
This really help a lot for lots of people out thier. Suggest them best hardware that they can possibly buy (i.e. Mx master 3 mouse for devlopers and video editors).
I really hope that you will help them. 🙂
When I was in undergrad and using SolidWorks and AutoDesk basically everyday, I used a phenom II 840 all stock. Thats it; no GPU at all and here I am with a degree in biomedical engineering
What about the Radeon Pro series from AMD ? For example, you have the option of purchasing a new Radeon Pro WX3100 for ~200 USD. That can drive three 4K displays at 60Hz. It might help to do a comparison with this GPU series as well. Maybe a few benchmarks. And, for example, you could try and stick with sub-300$ GPU options while making the comparison. It would address a broader audience (the hobbyists that do 3D modelling in their spare time and don't have 800+ USD to spend on a Quadro P4000, for example). Also, maybe you could talk to an expert, and make a minimal configuration for working with more complicated assemblies in Solidworks. You could also try and see which 3D modelling software (Solidworks, Catia, Maya, Blender etc.) takes advantage of which GPU series (AMD Radeon Pro or Nvidia Quadro) - render times, complicated assemblies etc. Also, as a final thought, you could try and make a comparison with older professional GPUs that you can buy for cheap from eBay. I've been watching your videos for a while! I'm a big fan! Keep up the good work!
He has a point Linus Media Group. do not disappoint us again :))) It was not a fair comparison. As @MrRORVI said, try sticking to a lower price. Who wants to get serious with 3D modeling and real time simulations has more options the somebody with a lower budget (doing it as a hobby or for personal projects). HOPE YOU SEE THIS.
MrRORVI heres a good comparison video th-cam.com/video/CAVqIOITdmM/w-d-xo.html
Where are the Radeon Pro WX series graphics card?
They didn't pay LTT as Nvidia did to get this video done...
Moises Garcia Marquez Linus' crew asked for the cards, he could have asked amd for the WX cards but maybe he didn't know about them?
Most likely either didn't remember, or completely ruled them out since Vega seemed good enough, of course, i'm not Linus.
And or maybe he never considered them because of Driver Issues or whatsoever, or maybe AMD aren't the types of people to hand out such cards despite Age and price.
Or he had the Quadro cards sitting on a shelf, and no Radeon Pro's.
It would be great to see an updated vid for this! Maybe testing out Revit.
Yes. And add Rhinoceros 3D + Grasshopper, 3DS Max, Maya, & Houdini FX as well.
I am quite sure the Rhino 6 actually utilizes multiple cores now (Rhino 5 & older only depended on single-core performance)
Lol *Hands him Timmies card*
That's the only company credit we need up here in Canada XD
Erigorn - Erik doesn't that thing have like 20% apr
The most useful video in a long time.
Here’s another idea, Premiere Pro testing!
Cuda vs open CL, mainstream gpu’s vs professional gpu’s like quadro and firepro, same thing for cpu’s!
Yeah, really disappointed they basically ignored anything other than Solidworks, and didn't even mention the fact that some software that uses CUDA isn't gonna do well with an AMD GPU.
So are you completely going to ignore Radeon Pro WX and Pro SSG series? You know, AMD's counterpart to Quadro...
Curious Frost Yeah, which is better, has more power and is half the price haha
inVidia It's meant to be payed :)
this video deserves a refresh :D
Finally some useful tests
richie1317 this is not useful there shilling for nvidia if you want the best bang for your buck don’t buy quadros literally buy and good gaming card and the fastest single thread performing cpu. Quadro only advantage is they have a driver that enables realview if you don’t use it then they are bullshit a 700 dollar p2000 is a 1050ti in reality.
Shinji Ikari that's why it's useful right? Now u know what not to buy :)
Hey Linus! I am an aspiring sound designer, can you make a video that goes through computer hardware that covers what can be an ultimate computer for a sound mixer?
Don Bastian you don't need much. Any modern cpu with 4 GB of ram and 1tb HDD will work. What matters must is the D/A converters which you'd have to buy from like Sweetwater or guitar center.
ezar howard I heard once about increasing rendering speed using a GPU. I'm not quite sure how it works but apparently it works incredibly well, do you know about anything about that? It could be quite useful for me
FAST HARD DRIVES........ AS MANY AS YOU CAN GET. I run a i7 with 16gb of ram, a 250 gb nvme drive for os, a 1tb mass storage hard drive for regular programs, a 3tb hard drive for my music files and a 500gb ssd for music programs. Music files will add up quick especially if your like me and you keep every little idea that you make.
Glenn from SpectreSoundStudios and Ryan "Fluff" Bruse might have some tips on PC hardware.
Oh you'll need some specialised computer hardware for that (if you wanna go pro) grab yourself a soundcard. Chuck it in a home desktop. She'll be right.
How about the Radeon Pro WX 9100?
or any other PRO WX card?...
Or any FirePro
Or anything from the Tesla line?
Someone at LTT did not do their homework.
I love how he's talking about all these updates and in my old job we did SW of machine assemblies that can fit in building with +1000 parts with only a standard Dell precision laptob.
Well, the shitty computers at school work so 😂😂
'Shitty' is definitely the word. The ones I used for CAD at school were using GTX260 + i3 530 with 2GB of RAM which was painful...
Adam Stephenson Can't believe you even had a dedicated gpu lol
The ones in the CAD room have some first gen i7s and some Quadro K-omething
My highschool cad classes had old 4c 8t xeons and a quadro 2000 with 8gb of ram
we all got 16GB, xeons and Quadros in our engineering labs
Title should have specified CAD / Solidworks. I came expecting Maya or Blender. Disappointed
I do, however, think that the title was very generalized and the actual video did not give a generalized use case scenario, which would have been a better match for for this title.
I think Steve over GamersNexus did some video on Blender. Check them out.
Thx
Same. Also the lack of Arnold and Vray rendering.
How do you know they didn't ask and weren't told no?
By the time you start playing with assemblies that contain a significant amount of parts and would require beefy hardware to render, you're most likely working in a decent company that has all the gear you need anyway. For non-commercial stuff, just buy any reasonable computer with sane specs and call it a day.
Pfft, I wish they provided all the gear I needed. I'm a mechanical 3D modeller and the computers at the international company I work at are garbage hah
Same; I regularly use AutoCAD Civil 3D to draft surveys and my company still has me on a 2nd gen i5, Radeon HD 7570, and 8GB of ram and it's horrible.
Cody Stringer I'm so so sorry...
At least I have 16gb, which very often gets capped. I often do rooms (big big rooms) full of furniture, and assemblies with thousands (when this video said like 500 I laughed) parts.
We use Autodesk Inventor with i7-6700, 16GB Ram and Nvidia Quadro K420 1GB because some "I know CAD stuff" guy recommended this shitty VGA to our IT guy. Unfortunately Inventor uses DirectX and the card runs at 100% almost all the time. -.-"
We use the exact same hardware at my place, down the the K420 along with Autodesk Inventor. So I really really feel you pain bro.
Doesn't help that Inventor leaks memory like nobody's business either.
I'm not even going to watch this video - I have been doing CG since 1980, programming 3D since 1982, 3D animation since 1995!
The answer is Yes, if you are using AutoCAD, if not then no. Simples.
Longer Answer:
In AutoCAD, if you have a machine with 40,000 nuts of the same type then the model as one nut and 40,000 'instances', the Quadro does the rest. Surfaces can be spline based too so are virtualised, the card draws them its own way. 3D animation software works on polygons and sub-div surfaces (not the same thing) so doesn't require that level of sophistication. Lastly, the geometry engine on the Quadro is vastly superior. Games and animation are 'suspension of disbelief' whereas CAD is seeing something accurately. The floating point operation level is orders of magnitude better.
Blender next please! Modeling, simulation, and render!
Why no AMD 's workstation Radeo Pro cards?
Eventually, you will need cuda for something, and AMD cards don't have cuda.
They are clearly better, so it would be no competition
Harry He amd have stream processors i think they are the same as cuda
WHOA WHOA WHOA.
No Nvidia is NOT better, no CUDA is NOT needed.
Give me a break, the misinformation is extreme here. CUDA is the same as Stream Processors with AMD.
The only difference is that some softwares take advantage of "CUDA cores" (as if they're some mighty cores) because they only optimize their software for Nvidia.
My AMD Fury rips the 1070 and even 1080 a new asshole when it comes to game design and rendering because it has more power, AMD has always had more raw processing power whereas Nvidia only cares about speed, which is only good for FPS.
AMD offers free Radeon Prorender, whereas with Nvidia you have to Shell out $300 to use their renderer that does the same thing.
Nvidia makes you pay for $100 extra Vsync too.
Seriously how could you even say something so stupid when Linus literally just showed you benchmarks of AMD shreading Nvidia in Solid works. And the only reason "Quadro" or even the WX series GPUs have any lead on gaming GPUs is not because they have more power (in fact they have half the power) but because they are optimize ld for the softwsre
Harry He I've gone without CUDA and have no problems, it really isn't that hard to do, just don't use their stupid rendering crap
I also tested that kinda stuff lately and was really surprised by my old quadro 600 which I considered pretty much useless because in gaming it delivered igpu performance. But when testing it with solidworks it actually performed just as good as my gtx 960 and on some occasions even better!
An updated for 2022/23 would be much appreciated
Wait...so you just recommended the Xeon W 18 core for the "upgrade" option for multicore rendering at 2500$ (excluding the cost of the board and wasn't even included in the benchmarks) and completely ignored Threadripper at HALF that price for the same performance AND including benchmarks that show 2 Xeons with 44 cores in total not even being 100% faster than that 16 core TR?? As well as completely ignoring that AMD's WX series GPU's even exist? What gives??
SepherixTheDragon I agree on this. The 8700k is a massively overrated CPU, I don't see why he recommends it in EVERY single fucking video for EVERYTHING when you have TR, X299, X99 (for cheaper) Epyc, and better Xeon second hand CPUs...
He's also ignoring other GPU options. Linus is just not genuine anymore
I have a second hand Xeon e5 2680 v2 (10c/20t), I don’t do modelling but I do a tonne of Virtualization and I can tell you that it is a total beast and it only costed me $220!
A lot of high powered applications don't play with AMD hardware very well. For instance, tensor flow works much better on Nvidia GPUs. Its a sad but true reality, perhaps if AMDs popularity keeps rising developers with optimize for it better.
Between Linus who does this shit for a living and all of y'all doctors in engineering, I'm going with what Linus is saying. You gotta keep in mind that simple performance isn't the only priority. You need platform stability. If you're working on a 50,000$ project and you lose it because your cpu decided to be retarded, the performance doesn't matter. And if you look at most workstations, blade servers and data centers anywhere, intel is a clear choice.
No, go to WX 2990 is 50% more faster than the i9 7980XE in multirendering ;)
AMD 5100 points in cinebench 5700 with a little overclock
Intel 3400 points
The reason AMD has 64 threads and Intel has 36 threads.
Why didn't you test the AMD Radeon PRO WX series cards?
+shard gaming yes, but those that he tested apparently worked just fine using openCL and the AMD pro cards are better than the consumer RX cards at that.
Maybe because biased?
This timing is incredible, I’ve just ordered a custom build Solidsorks/Autocad PC today! Did some research as well and ended up with this setup:
Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7 8700K (will over
Clock up to 5Ghz)
Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240
RAM: 32Gb DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws V Series
Motherboard: AsRock Z370 Fatal1ty Professional Gaming motherboard (Supports 10GbE & Thunderbolt with extra PCI)
SSD: Samsung 960 PRO MZ-V6P512BW (Crazy fast SSD)
GPU: NVIDIA Quadro P4000
PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra 750W Titanium
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 TG
Mouse: Logitech MX Master 2S
All just under €3K
ropiko nice. But I really don't like the MX Master. I find the Performance MX or a Corsair Scimitar Pro much more comfortable and useful. Have your had a chance to put your hands on a Master yet? What did you think? I really wanted to like it; it's such a good looking mouse but I found the side button placement not working for me.
So... you don’t need a monitor? 🤔
Adam Weeks no I haven’t yet, I’ve did some reading online to figure out who uses what mouse for solid works and multiple people said this one, but I will send it back if it’s not OK. Maybe I’ll order your suggestion as well to compare
Gunbardo we already have a monitor in the office, we use the ASUS MX299Q Ultra wide monitors. They’re OK but I wouldn’t recommend their build quality.
I'd like to point out the render time was mere seconds slower on the 1800x which is significantly cheaper than Intel's offering
How about a wx5100 or wx7100?
I use CREO for Engineering and it even runs on my Celeron Laptop with Intel HD Graphics. ^^
True. I'm building a whole car in creo with just an i5 4200u and integrated graphics
Which way, for example?
Yeah Creo runs much smoother than solid works
CATIA Masterrace
I like CREO but SolidWorks is the industry standard for basically everything
This was interesting. But it only applies to SolidWorks. Other CAD software like CATIA, PTC Creo and AutoCAD would also be interesting.
And you need to make another episode(s) on hardware for FEM and CFD like Hyperworks and Abaqus like you mentioned in your video, but also Ansys (the FEM version), Ansys Flunt / CFX, MSC Adams, Star-CCM+
I've used Catia on all kinds of different hardware and havn't had an issue
He sort of does touch on it. Most of those use multiple cores, unlike SW which sticks to one core. That's why it's sort of a blanketed statement when you aim for as high of a single thread clock speed, then toss more cores at it.
We need an updated version of this video
Curious. How did you leave out the best price/performance card? WX 5100.
I agree he should have mentioned it, but some people need those CUDA cores
Matt Patenaude And some people Don't
There's on reason not to mention the WX series
agreed, but I think the WX 7100 might be better bang for buck, as you get VR support and an actual 6-pin power deliver so room for OCs. but for less than 300 bucks, teh wx 5100 is a great deal
Daniel Rodriguez-Delgado VR and OC for workstation pcs lul
v Nyggi well I see your point but if for the same price I also get some VR after hours why not; also AMD cards have dual drivers so in gaming mode you can easily increase power delivery and get the 7100 to perform very close to and RX 480/580
What about FirePro cards?
Solidworks has always worked better on quadro over FirePro as it has features that specifically work on quadros and not on FirePro cards. But personally I prefer quadros but that is just a bias.
AMD didn't pay for this ad.
Can you do it with Solidworks internal benchmarks? And use "certified" driver's please. It makes all the difference.
The notebook you show in 1:21 has a known software compatibility bug that slows the rendering of lines when you select something. By tweaking the windows registry files to correct the graphic card register you can make it 10x faster.
So its pretty clear that workstation cards are far superior for this workload. With that this comparison is of little value without including half of the cards people should be considering (WX / fire pro).
Was excited, but I do not agree to this conclusion, because no engineer is only using solid works without a ton of extra stuff open. Like browser tabs excel sheets pdf's and outlook. So I rather have more cores and keep all my stuff running good instead of less cores and have only solid works running a bit faster. And for the 500 parts, this is when you do not have large assembly mode active, and you should be kicked in the balls if you load a 500 parts assembly and not have large assembly mode active. Therefore a p6000 or p5000 is only useful for massive calculations for simulations or other science stuff.
This is all a bit overkill.
But well if you say too your boss, I rather have the moneys then you are getting shit. So in the end I agree with Linus and GET ALL THE STUFF! If you need to buy it for yourself just get a P1000 if you really only going to use it for modeling.
Haas Don't forget the most used tool. The snipping tool! Can't build cars with out it!
From what i remember quadro/firepro are just good because of the drivers..no special silicon..i remember there were hacked drivers in the past so you can use them on consumer cards..
you need to update this and test it with all these new Ryzen chips that were just announced
Ryan Sherratt this has never been more relevant until now
OK, then. I'll go buy a RX 580.
Now, where are those?
IIARROWS "Great bang for buck" 😔
you dont want a rx 580. thats a bad recommendation. you want amd's pro series. the wx7100 is the rx 580 of the cad world.
Flyinghotpocket Watch the video...
hint 4:35
Micro center
i watched it. now look up some specs. since linus conveniently ignored the radeon pro series. and coming from real life experience (something you lack) i can tell you the 580 is inferior in cad design to a wx7100.
No Radeon Pro WX cards in the lineup? The WX 7100 are only $450 right now, where are the RX cards are insanely price high at the moment, for what they are.
The WX drivers are vetted for like 99% of CAD, rendering and other workstation software.
As a 3d modeler I can tell you, you can get by with the bare bone basics.
Please make this an annual test with the latest pro/consumer/prosumer hardware
firepro and wx are missing because the video is sponsored by Nvidia. i dont like it but i understand it.
SolidWorks is a very popular software in Mech Eng and it seems many people have experienced problems with AMD cards. I use an entry level quadro M1000 in my laptop and it runs SolidWorks and it runs perfectly. I think his recommendation for Quadro cards is justified.
@@BaliMystic Not sure which AMD cards you're talking about, I've been using a FirePro w5000 on Solidworks 2013 at uni. It blows away other Quadro cards. I'll have to admit that there used to be a few bugs every now and then but imo the performance advantage was well worth it. After the newer driver updates, I couldn't have asked for more!
+Abdullah Mudassir you summed it up perfectly. Performance is buggy which is exactly what most are trying to avoid when using SolidWorks, especially a 5 year old version!
@@BaliMystic just my own personal observations. The AMD workstation drivers used to crash occasionally. But even back then it was worth it for me given the surplus performance. Ctrl+S all the way :)
My Firepro V4800 had its digital video driver die out of thin air... do not recommend
No FireGL type cards from AMD? A bit one sided to include the Nvidia workstation cards, but not the ones from AMD :(
Because their performance was below even the GTX gaming cards.
where do you have that information from ?
please send me a link to that video or articel
??? I'm the one who writes the system recommendation for GoEngineer (one of the largest VARs globally) we were sent demo units for all of AMD cards. After testing we removed all AMD recommendations from our site and our partner sites. I can't go into more detail than that. The cards have great specs but the drivers kill the cards, if they could fix the drivers AMD could have decent graphics cards.
AMD FireGL cards are no longer sold- AMD has released several Radeon PRO cards (new naming convention) which provide good performance\price.
@@codysalyer1105 That includes the AMD RYZEN 7 2700X???
I use Ryzen 3 and 1050ti and it works fine in Blender and Unreal Engine 4 no matter what I do as long I don't go crazy with vertices.
I'm getting excited from this comment section lmao. I thought I would never be able to make meshes or anything like that without spending a fortune
FX-6300, 8Gb of RAM, AMD 7790 2Gb and 240 Gb SSD. I can run Unreal Engine 4, Blender and Maya 2016 with no problems. And I also made my own game in UE4.
Yeah PC specs for anything other than rendering is overrated. You can use a laptop with an i5 and 8 gigs of DDR3 and still have a decent work flow with 3d modeling. If you're doing things like environments or VFX than a Ryzen 3 or i5 with a 1050ti or decent AMD integrated graphics will suffice. Only thing you can justify spending over $2000 for is a 3D Rendering PC but it might be cheaper just to use a render farm.
Yeah you don't a really expensive PC for things like 3d modeling, game design, or video editing once you get at least a 1060 and a Ryzen 7 or i7 processor. Other than 3D rendering those will suffice and even then it really depends on what you're rendering because on my old laptop with an i5 and iGPU I rendered 3d animations all the time.
I have a 6300 too, but thought I would have to get some insane CPU to even consider doing stuff like this haha. Is your game on Steam or something though? I want to check it out now
I know that all you guy don't agree with the video. So, here are the most correct answer.
It depend on the software you're working with.
Optimized for Quadro
- Siemen NX
- Solidworks
- Catia
Not Optimized for Quadro
- Autodesk 3ds Max
- Autodesk Maya
- PTC Creo
- Autodesk AutoCAD
- Blender
- AMD Radeon ProRender
- Redshift
- Chaos Group V-Ray
- Octane renderer
- FStorm renderer
- Adobe Premiere Pro
- MAGIX Vegas Pro 16
- DaVinci Resolve
- Adobe After Effect
Need more info:
- Revit: Not Optimized for Quadro (www.cgdirector.com/best-pc-for-cad-autocad-solidworks/)
- Inventor: Not Optimized for Quadro(www.cgdirector.com/best-pc-for-cad-autocad-solidworks/)
Leave a reply if you want me to make a video explain why this happen.
Why weren't included the AMD workstation class GPUs in the comparison? I is quite obvious that the whole video becomes misleading and unfair without them.
shadowmap maybe cuz AMD can't afford to send free stuff to Linus and Linus can't afford to buy them.
Asiandeathgod doesn't really matter much what the reason is they didn't include them, the fact is the comparison is incomplete without them...
All major studios use NVidia GPUs, which is what he's going off of. AMD workstation GPUs, while cheaper, are just that; cheaper, in both speed and price. On top of that, AMD does not give the workstation graphics users access to a dedicated library of assets, like NVidia does (Gameworks, Hairworks, Lightworks). These are also a big part of why studios use them (Square Enix is an example).
That's entirely not true. AMD's GPUs have historically performed better at compute across the board. Whether the software supports their pipelines is another issue entirely but AMD doesn't exactly keep their libraries closed off as much as nVidia does.
It doesn't matter what -everyone- uses, if you're going to do comparisons at least make it fair and use the proper products from the competition to make your analysis have more weight.
It's a bit disconcerting to see that Linus completely left out AMD's workstation cards by pretending they didn't exist at all. He even mentions that the Quadros have a superior driver pathway [for compute] and yet he still compares them to VEGA.
As for Threadripper. I only take issue with his justification for simulation performance. Single core performance is nice and all but it means jack shit if your simulation is prone to errors, hence the importance of EEC memory. That's a huge selling point for Threadripper because it offers comparable performance while maintaining high end features that the i7's lack.
Vega Frontier is a $1000 GPU that caters more toward developers rather than consumers, which is why not many people have them. I can understand that he should've used some of Radeon's cards (which I know he can afford). Also, I've worked with both Radeon and Quadro. Quadro's been the champ for 3D rendering, except on Blender, which is a program that is more optimized for AMD GPUs. Programs like Maya, Octane and Redshift rely more heavily on NVidia hardware, and those are all industry standard programs.
I work with Inventor pro 18 on my home desktop. This machine has an i5 4670k @4GHz and a GTX1070 in it, and I can work perfect on medium sized gearbox modells (around 200 parts, excluding screws). On work I have a way slower PC with an old AMD FX and some cheap nVidia GT in it, this struggles with big assemblies but you can work just fine with smaller assemblies (100 parts or less excluding screws). The only thing that takes time on both machines are FFT Analysises and complex geometry tasks like calculating new cable strants without many given variables.
For me the limiting part is mostly the RAM, with big assemblies you can catch up to over 16GB just for Inventor very quickly depending on the grade of detail.
With that said: I just model and simulate these parts and assemblies. I do not render them. I am an engineer, not an designer or a salesman.
I was looking for this kind of comment. You really don't need a fast GPU with engineering, maybe for graphic design, but really the consumer grade stuff is perfectly fine, especially for FEA.
Not even for graphic design. You need a lot of ram and a huge hard drive. A better processor is nice, but ram is the problem.
this misinformation was fed to linus by his subordinate.
nonetheless, its fairly useful for engineering students. who will end up working for corporations who just throw HP Z series desktops at the problem.
the Real user are mograph, gamedev, and previz creators, who swear by Nvidia and use much more different software.
As a long time user I'm not sure AutoCAD deserves the title of 'aiding' your design....
Hey I'm a third year mechanical engineering student. Should I get a quadro laptop?
😂😂😂 Used autocad since version 10. What a horrible program. Thank god for Rhino
Did you put the AMD cards in compute mode in the Radeon settings when running the benchmarks? (Why is that frontier so far ahead of the Vega 64?)
I'd agree with all of this if you're a hobbyist or student. But if you spend 40+hrs a week sitting behind a CAD machine, then you should really understand your workflow and tailor your system accordingly. ECC and supported drivers are a minimum. 16GB ram is tight too. Ive never worked anywhere where the fastest machine available wasn't the best option, even if you factor in cost. Engineers are expensive, paying a high salary for someone who browses TH-cam on their cellphone while waiting for a simulation to end is wasteful.
yeah my gf does graphic design shes working with this .tif files or something and her 32 gigs of ram isnt enough. so not sure where he is saying 16gb is minimum for cad. imo its 32 for cad. 16 gigs for a gaming pc.
yea just gotta wait untill you convince management to spend that kind of money on you and your department.
I doubt a purchasing manager for an engineering company is going to be getting tips from Linus. This kind of video is aimed at college students and the like.
Flyinghotpocket this really depends and no one should point and someone else's use case and say, "that's the minimum". Also image gfx design is a completely different use case. It's about knowing what the designers/engineers work requires. Do you need rendering and at what detail level? Do you need local or networked rendering? Do you do large or small assemblies? What proportion of your work consists of large (>500part) assemblies? Then you have to evaluate costs. Our previous workstations were 16GB systems with mid grade workstation gfx cards. For our type of work this covered us completely. No one shoe fits all.
Paul Bradshaw this is obviously not geared towards the self employed professional, those sitting behind a workstation for 40+hrs a week, or those with company purchasing decision capability. Like you yourself said, "You should really understand your workflow and tailor your system accordingly." Everything after that is moot since again this video is not intended to setting up an office full of engineers. Even so, not every use case requires the track capable supercar. In the professional engineering environment, you'll be hard pressed to find designers not on workstations of some sort. But they will be in every variety depending on what industry they are serving. I agree on the ECC ram and it would rare to find a professional workstation without it. However, 16GB is fine if, like you said, you understand your workflow. The fastest machine available is not necessarily the best or most cost-effective option.
Now do Fusion 360!
Especially considering it's free for students and enthus
Don't know for Fusion, but Inventor does not care much for GPU's and professional GPU's like quadro's won't be worth it.
autodesk use a 'one graphics system' engine so any semi decent gaming card will do just fine
Bump - 2022 update, please! We really need to revisit workstation vs. consumer/gaming PC performance in general.
I use an Intel i3 4030U in a laptop with integrated graphics in blender.
Celeron G1610 with integrated graphics and 8GB ram in blender....!
4gb ram. I feel you man.
:) Blender isn't for CAD as the subject of this video is all about.
is it an hp pavillion? haha I got the same specs
Blender is not a proffesional certified software. Hence u can use anything. Try running a 4k full poly scene in maya with that...
I use Inventor on my system with a Ryzen 3, 16g ram, and GTX 980 all the time with no issues
Yes, because Inventor, unlike Solidworks, supports DirectX...
I bought a pc because of you and I like it. So thanks and keep up the good work.😀😀😀
Im a CAD Detailer and 3D BIM Modeler. The answer is YES. Quadro all the way!
I work in Revit MEP, AutoCAD Fabrication MEP and use Navisworks to fly through the building models.
I work with same softwares and recently thinking of upgrading my workstation, why shouldn't I switch to AMD?
Fire pro linus
did the writer of the video know that autoCAD is more popular than solidworks? the benches for everything is much different based on the autoCAD demographic. I kind of feel like the video does a little justice for potential buyers, but not truly a real accurate way to scew the larger picture of the market.
More popular with who? Every engineering firm I have worked with uses Solidworks or NX. I used to enjoy AutoCAD, but not too many use it near where Linus lives (Vancouver, BC).
I'm working at an engineering firm in Alberta, working on a project going on in Washington. We use Inventor, although my university's eng design classes are taught in SW. Our workstations have firepro's, but when a pc went down recently they replaced it with a 1060 due to the current gpu shortages. (Fkn miners)
I have a 980 in my desktop at home, and haven't personally noticed any differences compared to our workstations.
I think the real story here is, kind of ironically, the old story of OpenGL vs DirectX. Inventor (by Autodesk, also makers of AutoCAD) switched to DirectX in 2010, while SW still uses OpenGL.
Disc: I don't know what model of cards the workstations use.
Here's something I thought was a decent read, although it might have been confirmation bias.
blog.grabcad.com/blog/2016/02/04/apis-gpus-and-drivers-cad-graphical-conspiracy/
SolidWorks is the by far the most popular of the solid modelling programs.
Every engineer uses soildworks, I should know cause I work with the engineers of other companies. Auto Cad is for people who make floor layouts. Aka 2D drawlings... Boreing
john smith I've only ever used SolidWorks and it is the industry standard for 3d design...
WE NEED A 2023 VERSION FOR THISSSS!!! btw could you guys throw in some budgety gaming laptops for the students heading to universities. Keep up the amazing work guys 👏
Could you do a video about Blender? (I’m modelling on a Macbook Air 2015 and rendering on an online render farm.)