Dear Sam, I am a firefighter EMS student. My dream is to become an active shooter response tactical aid along with being a paramedic. Your videos helped reinforce my dreams to help the public. I appreciate you as a person. I appreciate you as someone I look up to. Thank you for continually making videos. I respect that you make videos like this, contrasting your reviews and procedure videos. Thank you for being a real person. Stay safe .Připíjím na vaši velikost
Very fair and honest words about a very confusing and tragic event. Hopefully the truth will finally appear in the next few months and we EMS professionals can learn from this horrible experience.
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I live in Texas and I am a retired cop and paramedic this went so wrong in so many ways
I am not familiar with the author of this post and I am seeing this video for my first time. As a 30+ year police officer / training officer (Retired): I would like to thank this fellow for his video and his approach. He does a great job with his preface about not second guessing the first responders to incidents he was not involved with. He does an amazing job of providing some observations (not Monday morning quarter-backing) as a means to stimulate thought and learning. To the author: I appreciate your approach; your observations; your learning points; and thank you for your service.
I agree, a lot of things went wrong with that situation but I do believe it's impossible to understand how to not go in and terminate the threat. If leadership says otherwise then you replace the leadership once the situation is settled and safe. There's absolutely NO excuse for the actions of the police force in this situation, it's a failure from the very top of command to the lowest, greenest traffic cop. At the minimum if you're not going in get out of the way of the parents that are........
assuming it wasnt done on purpose. No dead kids no emotions to push gun control. The police chief was a huge supporter of gun control. Its pretty clear whats going on especially considering how the cops tazed and arrested parents using the threat of deadly force to stop them from saving their kids.
Thank you very much Sam for making this video and informing us about how it works from both the EMS and LEO side of things when it comes to situations like this. Quite honestly, I have served in two counties now, volunteer and career, and you basically broke down how active shooter/MCI scenarios are supposed to go down to a point that I fully understood it, you were straight to the point, you were organized, and you didn’t take so long to explain it. Every RTF/TEMS class or drill that I’ve been to literally does NOTHING to explain it the way you did and quite frankly, the way our response systems are not properly organized or well thought out, in my opinion (Granted, I’ve only been in EMS for just shy of 4 years and, knock on wood, I e never been in this situation). Thank you very much again for this learning lesson brother and please be safe out there ✊
Everyone needs to watch Mike Glovers breakdown on this. 90% of those officers need to be fired and charged with crimes. Absolutely unacceptable response from them
Honestly the fact that they can hear children dying in the background of the 911 calls should have sent every officer into that building. Any that stayed outside? Removed from duty. Period.
this was very well done, straight to the point, no politics, no speculation, and speaking from experience. There's lessons we can reinforce immediately, but for the specifics of this and similar tragedies, it will be months before we get an accurate account of what happened and even then we'll never know 100%
Well said. So many race to the point "I'd go in shooting" (And what, have ricochets kill kids?) After any major event like this, it's ALWAYS at minimum of weeks before we know the facts and often months or even years we don't know ALL the facts. While the best forensic techs can look to find where potentially every round traveled, it's impossible to know for sure. We STILL don't know every detail of whom was shot, did the shooting or killed friendlies v enemies in Waco. Months after Vegas we learned new facts about the rounds fired and what was probable as rounds that were pass-throughs and know with certainty it was a single shooter. How many know the VA Tech shooter didn't even try to force his way in or shoot through a door that was simply held shut with a person vulnerable to being shot through the door? However there are people who speculate or "know based upon a video or witness" and have not read or attempted to read follow-up and case reports. This case has many unanswered questions, or questions investigators have since learned answers to but not released until a final report is compiled.
Thankyou very much for making this video. I have seen and heard a lot of hate comments towards the Emergency Services who attended the school on this horrific day! People need to know exactly what you said
Thank you for this video. There are a lot of people who don't understand the tactics of such a fluid and dynamic event like this from the view of the responders. I hope this video will help more people understand them so that in the future we can have informed discussions on what went right and what went wrong so we will be more prepared in the future. Stay safe and God bless.
I have watched the news here in the UK and being a fairly long term sub of your channel it's interesting to see how you guys approach 'active shooter' situation in the US. I'm a paramedic here in the UK and we do train for what we refer to as MTFA (marauding terror firearms attack). The MTFA major incident plans here for our ambulance service are extremely effective. We basically leave the police to do their job and we focus on treatment, evacuation and triage. So in essence we completely separate police and EMS in their roles whereas it seems you guys approach the situation differently. For anyone interested there was a fantastic documentary by the BBC, it was Hospital (series 2 episode 1). It showed the major incident plan put in place and used at the major trauma hospital in London during a terror attack. Very worth a watch. Thanks for this discussion Sam and insight, your approach to the topic was very professional and respectful. My thoughts and prayers are with your whole country and to the families affected.
@@PrepMedic But an officer has admitted to that on camera. I understand if it was alleged by media. However, an officer, a higher up, admitted to that.
I've been a long time subscriber, first time comment(er)! This was a good analysis and a clear definition of the of response strategies (which continues to evolve) regarding active shooting incidents. I've been part of the emergency service community for a couple decades now and my organization had adopted the active shooter response protocols a couple years ago which you discussed. These tactics described can be very effective including initial response by first due LE (stop the killing), RTFs, CCPs, and MCI/triage guides (stop the dying). Thanks for taking the time to educate the general audience about these SOPS and also prefacing that we DONT yet know all the facts nor have a full understanding of the possible errors during that horrific day. My hope is that more organizations will adopt the training available and that we also take opportunities to further improve our tactics, techniques and procedures based on this incident so that others may live. Keep up the good work!
I was a cop in the military but new to the EMS services. I think your videos are very helpful. I am awaiting my first interview for ambulance service. I am enjoying your videos trying to keep fresh my newly learned skills. Wish me luck on getting an interview .
Not American. I don't understand school shootings..BUT this is why I am subscribed to you Sam ! Thank you for a level headed well rounded non mud slinging video. I do agree with some of the other commentators that CPR and basic first aid should be compulsory in schools around the world and a requirement for a drivers license.
They're a hard thing to understand. One side wants to blame guns, the other side wants to blame... well practically everything _except_ guns. In my opinion it's a function of young men (it's almost exclusively men who do this) living in a society drowning in economic disparity, despair, uncertainty, and polarized politics while being programmed by media of all types that violence and power are how they take control of their lives. I don't think guns are the cause personally, but access to weapons just makes it that much easier for a lonely, unstable, or radicalized person to take out their rage and suffering on innocents.
Good assessment, our agency (Federal) gas trained smaller departments in active shooting situation. After Columbine, procedures were changed and you are correct first officer on scene goes in. We all know the risks, but this is our chosen profession and we go in, preferably with two officers at a minimum.
Great video. As a retired LEO and EMT, I would want to get in and help treat victims (or take out the shooter if LE is not on scene yet). As a civilian, I won't be allowed entry into the area. This is why I became a CERT member. In my area, once the scene has been secured, I will be able to assist in treatment of the wounded. Other areas may not have the relationship we have and you may be denied entry. Much depends on the relationships you have made with your local L.E. and EMS as to if you will be allowed to assist. This is a great way to use prior training in a way that is positive. Look into and support your local CERT team. It's a great way to keep giving in your area.
I 100% agree with "you don't know what you'll do until you're there" I'm not a LEO, never been one. I was security at a rougher nightclub in my area. One summer, we had gunshots on the street (and a couple times in the bar) every weekend. Every time, I reacted slightly different; everything from no hesitation and going towards the person shooting, to running for cover. You don't know what you'll do.
THANK YOU! A total voice of reason in explaining why "Monday morning backseat driving" is useless. Anyone who's worked, lived through, investigated any related incident knows it takes days or even weeks for ALL the facts to surface. Recognizing things like outward swinging steel doors and specialized tools to breach those. Sure, an officer/deputy may have a shotgun with breaching slugs, but those still do not guarantee a bolt will not jamb the door shut. Do they have a Halligan, and ability to use it without simply being shot by having to stand in front of the door (potentially with a window for shooter(s) to see through and create another casualty through what would be almost a sure target. While you covered MANY of the most relevant topics, there were two not mentioned and as horrible as it is to think and talk about... Did he have the children and/or teachers forming a human shield? Yes, a SWAT team may have one or more qualified distance shooters... but did the room have windows, were the curtains closed, was there potential of a human shield behind that? Then finally, when people say "They should have rushed in shooting." Are they considering that a classroom typically has concrete floors, hard laminate desks and often brick or steel construction/support structures? A single shot into a room like that could travel through multiple ricochets and not unlike Vegas even travel through multiple small bodies in the process. I'm new to the channel, but quickly subscribed. Thank you again for the intelligent presentation and your service.
Now that you all have seen the Uvalde Video... Do you still hold that position to excuse any and all parts of law enforcement that failed those children and parents?
I agree with one of your very first points. That is; no one can truly state what they would do without being in that situation themselves. There are so many factors that evolve quickly that can (and will) dictate the chaotic flow of a high intensity incident. The 'Walmart Camo Commandos' are talking through their hat if they argue they know what they would do.
Bingo! All these people "I'd have charged in shooting!" (and what, killed kids with missed shots or ricochets?). I've seen men and women keep their cool and stay focused on task in the most chaotic of incidents and likewise (said with no disrespect) but combat hardened vets literally piss themselves when having to face a shoot/no shoot in an urban environment. In combat they were part of a unit and knew they had their flanks covered, they had protective gear, multiple shooters WITH them and often an overwhelming force moving forward on Jihadis. I'm old (60), been around the block a time or two, am not afraid of dying (but don't have a death wish or desire to be a martyr), don't have children and have lived a really full life fulfilling 99% of my Bucket List. Yet I don't know exactly what I'd do in any given situation until I can process all the known factors. A very short list: How many gunmen are there? Do they have a human shield? Do they have OTHER weapons (ie: grenades, suicide vest, traps rigged to stop entry)?, how skilled of a shooter/s are they? (We saw in Buffalo recently, this 18yr old kid performed with precision and appeared to have a good deal of training), How near or far is my backup(can multiple points of entry be executed at the same time?). Digressing, you were spot on with your comments. This is not a TV show where a character always makes perfect decisions, perfect shots and always wins. And even if someone feels they would go ALL IN to save children, if they have their own children at home... how can they NOT think twice about leaving that child without a parent?
Here in the Uk we had 1 school shooting and 1 shooting on a shopping high street and firearms were made illegal since outlawing firearms which happened in the 80s we have had 2 mass shootings with illegally imported weapons both had under 5 casualties
As a former Military EST Air Force SWAT instructor, my team members called each other after Columbine. We spoke about it, asking why they did not perform a "Crisis Entry", as we did way back in 1982, lack of training? Lack of seriousness in each of their training? Lack of have foresight from their "leadership" who hold the purse strings? Our Crisis Entry meant to haul butt to the bad guy, the sound of his/her gunfire. Those who train survive, but you have to train first. Then do it again. BTW, Monday morning quarterbacking is welcome - as long as it is directed at the leadership, and operators learn. Check egos at the door.
True…feels like the details stripped away from situations the cultivation of keep moving don’t think about decisions just execute them. Mistakes can be made in moments like that but will be more understanding as long as you continually press and commit to your actions
I'm in the UK and its a tragedy that so many young lives have been lost.as for the response /dessions on the ground there will always be something to learn and improve/change for the better.
textbook response. One of the things my (paramedic) professor told us, was that MCIs are always under heavy scrutiny and that it's always going to be a total shit show. The most we can do in EMS is do what we can recall from our training. I know in the county I live in, they run an MCI drill once every 5 years. It's probably less frequent for smaller communities.
I always enjoy listening to you speak. It is a very sensitive subject. I certainly do not have any answers as to why or what happened. It is just so sad as a civilian and a concealed carrier I would have gone in but I very much respect your requests and you opinion. I hope this stops . I personally wish more teachers carried my opinion but they also would need training I would personally donate to the cost of the training, thank you again
the only people who can make a valid "if I was there argument" is if youve been in a situation similar to the tragedy which is mostly experienced law enforcement, first responders, contractors, and veterans
Since columbine, it's been very clear in every single class and training and debriefing that if you're the first on scene, you grab what you got and go in without waiting. If all you got is what's on your belt, then you better make the best of it. Get to the shooter and stop him however you can or die trying. Thankfully statistics show overwhelmingly the shooter cowards will give up or commit suicide immediately so get there asap.
Very tough and complex subject. Politics aside, I think a good response solution to these events is to have as many people in each community as possible trained and equipped with "stop the bleed" capabilities. The reality is, that is likely a better solution than having armed civilian responders. But I also think some of both might be worth considering.
I have attended the Texas ALERT course for active shooter that is the texas standard and the video shows a lack of preforming as trained. Mike Glover does an excellent break down of the entire time video on field craft
Hey PrepMedic, I'm new to the channel, and I've been working on building some new med kits. If you read this, I could use your advice. I'm looking for 4" and 6" flat fold pressure/Israeli bandages with some kind of pressure bar, but I'm having trouble finding them. I'm a civilian, but I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Thanks for the great videos.
What we can do is ensure the old Red Cross first aid training is given again. Now the Stop The Bleed program is available nationally. For 20 year I was told tha tourniquettes were no longer to be used. I'm glad I didn't need to resign in order to use one, because as the DoD has proven, it is better to risk losing a limb, than to guarantee losing the victim.
As a security guard with minor traning as a combat medic i didn't really see to much on the medical side of the house for this instance but there is always a oppertunity to learn and this should be a start to a new series on how to do these types of things just basic info enough to get you stable and ready for transport. Witch is what a basic cassoulet collection point it. Sicurity needs this traning desperately couse we are the first line of difence
From my emt class days…a quote I still remember…a lot of people get shot and you prob never hear about them…because you prob either die almost immediately from critical area unfortunate target matches…or you get hit in the much larger percentage of non-critical mass areas…not always a pretty outcome but you will likely survive. Turns out, it’s pretty tough to get killed by guns compared to the idea that if you get shot you die mindset.
I am currently studying on Brno Technical University in Czech Republic, I carry an EDC trauma/first aid kit and last week I had a basic life support course in our local Red Cross training center. What would you recommend as a next step in getting better training for injury-related emergencies? I know our healthcare and training systems differ quite a bit from what you are used to in America but at least the most basic elements might be similar.
Learn chest seals, tourniquet use and anything else that can be used to treat extreme trauma. Get certified in your country for first aid if not already and take paramedic classes in person or online as they’re taught most first responding skills.
I don’t much about this school shooting so I won’t comment on that. But I will say this it is becoming more and more common in todays world for mass shootings. Public safety as a whole needs to get ahead of this and be proactive in getting some kind of systematic response set in place. Recently my EMS agency started a tactical medic group that will begin to train regularly for a Rescue Task Force response. I am on that team and it has become blatantly obvious how out of the loop we are. Nothing short of consistent training will allow us to be prepared for it. I spent a few years regularly asking administration about getting something along these lines going and others had been asking long before I came along. If your agency doesn’t have anything like this and you see it as a problem start pushing for it and find others that think like you and if need be train on your own and on your own time. Public safety is just as politic as everything else and if they can see commitment to this when you’re not being paid for it then they will be more likely to find it.
Now if only we could get the big wigs in DC to take our mental health and broken family epidemics seriously, we may have a chance of stopping a lot of mass shootings
Meh cops won't save you. The social, media peeps will just support the cops and never find fault. You will need to fight your way to the kids and save your own
Really appreciate this. Is there any way that we, as non-emergency career citizens could be on standby to help? I’m proficient in firearms but have recently considering going and getting some formal EMT training.
If you have a local CERT group, most offer some semi-advanced emergency medical response training courses. I am taking them as available in my local group, and am finding them helpful (and free).
You won’t call every cop that was on scene a coward, but I will. There were people there from every agency in 10 miles and they didn’t want to enter. There needs to be a duty to intervene law for police.
good information. how do you feel about the fact some of the parents have said they are going to sue Daniel Defense? personally I think it's pointless and a shifty way to push blame, but I'm curious how others think about it.
I believe it's escapism on their part, car manufacturers aren't responsible for drunk drivers, etc. Emotions are high and misplaced anger make people do strange things, of course politicians pushing such actions make them more likely these days. Rest in Peace to all murdered and my condolences and best wishes to the family and friends
Per the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, they have no case. *However,* many state judges, including in state-level appeals courts, have decided that they can just ignore the PLCAA over the last few years. The recent Remington settlement is just going to encourage these vultures. Perhaps Texas will shut down such BS, but I wouldn't rely on it.
They are the type of people who would try to sue Starbucks because the coffee was hot. Yes it's a tragedy. But to sue Daniel Daniel defense is nonsense. Lots of people to blame, but Daniel defense isnt one of them. When was the last time someone tried to sue Ford motor company over a drunk driver? Or the company that built the suv that purposely drove threw a Christmas parade last year, killing something like 56 people. Elderly and women included. Nobody is going after vehicle manufacturers. Just like no one is saying that someone needs to be 21 to drive. Because deep down they know its bs.
Not fully related, I’m a new EMT and just about to start my AEMT class. We haven’t really gone over school shootings but in a school shooting MCI incident would you still triage the same as other incidents? This was a horrible thing that happened and coming in new to the EMS world just hoping to learn something from it.
I’m a paramedic and on a RTF team. Triage is still the same as triage anywhere else. Get to your patient get a quick assessment possible perform a life threat intervention (tourniquet or recovery position) and then move on. No more than 15-30 seconds per patient. Triage is for the most good for the most people not the best for one person. It’ll be hard but you have to keep that in mind. Look out for any NAEMT TECC class and that’ll get you on the right path for learning more about this specific area of EMS.
"Good times create weak men. Weak men creates bad times. Bad times create strong men. Strong men, create good times." - G. Michael Hopf I hope these times make strong people - men and women. Because I need help shouldering and facing the problems of the present, to help make a better future. Stop being so damn selfish please. - From a fellow American
Politicly, I understand both sides and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to solve the problem. I do find that an honest debrief is in order. I hope everyone involved can be as mature as this video has been. Great and insightful video as always. Grts from the Dutchies
@@Rollochrome i don't think it's an unwillingness to be trained, i just don't think many people even consider it. it'd be fine if it were a mandatory one semester (or less) class somewhere along the education pipeline. heck, even offer extra credit instead making it mandatory.
@@dogwalk3 As a long time volunteer EMS trained firefighter I can unfortunately tell you people are lazy and many can't be bothered. A class in the schools should be part of the curriculum for all students. It's not perfect but it's what we can do Maybe a better way of communicating how important it is for all of us to get at a minimum basic first aid and stop the bleeding training can be created quickly.
@@Rollochrome civilians where at Uvaldi trying to intervene but the cops tazed them and used the threat of deadly force to arrest them protecting the active shooter and enabling the active shooter to continue his murdering. Maybe people need to use their 2A to deal with the dirty cops who protect murderers
@@thatkajunguy8029 damn, im sorry to hear that that's what reality is like. i try to be hopeful, like maybe more people are getting interested with the prevalence of these types of videos on youtube (or maybe my algorithm is just becoming an echo chamber) & with things getting worse in the world, people might change their minds. oh well. here's hoping, even though now that i think about it, i think im the only person in my entire social circle that has any sort of interest or training in these things. damn.
I appreciate how you and Aaron from Sage Dynamics stay objective in your videos and don't use the opportunity to push political opinions. Thank you for the video.
It might be useful to issue breaching shells with the shotguns carried in patrol cars if entry is a problem. I say "might be useful" because it could add to the confusion and over choice of giving people too many tools. 9mm, .223, buckshot, rifled slugs, breaching slugs, beanbag rounds, taser, pepper spray, nightstick, and those are just the weapons.
I have a 21" crowbar with a keyring attached in my patrol bag. Not perfect, but better than fiddling with keys. I can grab it and clip it to my key clip as I go. Heres hoping it stays there for my whole career
"Liability"... the department was worried about liability. The leadership needs to be held accountable, their officers need to be held accountable and at the end of the day you can't muster courage to save kids and do your job. Go be a meter maid not a police officer.
Active shooter police inside within minutes, engage, retreat and then say the doors were locked. Nah sounds more like excuses to save their asses. Now the fact of the matter is he was indeed attacking innocent and defenseless children not holding them hostage. Go in and save as many as possible. Life preservation is their duty and they failed even before he reached the school.
question is why did the cops arrest parents and kept them from saving their kids. Looks like their goal was to let the active shooter get as high of a body count as possible.
It is fairly simple. It is an active shooter scenario. You cannot allow civilians into the “hot zone” because it adds confusion to an already complicated problem. Of course any parent would wanna rush in, myself included. But it also would make it things so much harder for responding agencies
@@reclaimer468 if they would only respond tho... In this case they clearly aimed to let the shooter get his kill count up. We already see that the Uvaldi police is running a cover up considering how they block investigation efforts
@Badger Bill Probably credit card, he got zero credit history and a steady income, easy for him to get a card, banks hunt young people like him. BTW, Daniel Defense got a financial program. I personally think this is peak capitalistic fucked up.
Is there anything that civilians can do in these situations from a trauma aid perspective that would be helpful? Say a parent is at the school; how can they help?
The police chef is refusing to work with investigators that is enough for me fire the whole department even if you keep them the entire community will never trust them again setting yourself up for problems later
Dear Sam. Thank you for a good honest video. There is nothing more emotive than the death of children. Over 8 million children go missing every year & media has little to say. Child trafficking is now more lucrative than drugs & guns & gold. That being said & as a nurse ALS & ex military I will ask all to take a bigger picture in regards to all school shootings & remember how deep do we go in the actual perpetrator,s of these crimes.
I think you’ve given more grace than those involved deserve. This appears to be either cowardice combined with gross incompetence or something far more sinister.
Here is a response I typed out earlier. Just food for thought. This isn't a defence for the police department (obviously bad decisions were made), but saying that everyone on scene was a coward is a stretch. I have heard your sentiment repeated and I think that it oversimplifies an incredibly complex and overwhelming scene.... "Who does that blame fall on? What intelligence did IC get when they arrived? What did they tell other responding officers? Let’s think hypothetically for a second and say IC arrives on scene and either rightfully or wrongfully determines that the shooter is barricaded in a classroom and has turned the whole ordeal into a hostage situation where he is threatening to shoot more children who are locked in with him if anyone comes in the school? Hostage rescue is a completely different strategy then active shooter. Now let’s say you are a officer arriving on scene and IC tells you this information. Do you Push past the person acting as IC (who supposedly has the most intel) and run into the school which triggers the hostage taker to start executing children? Do you think for a second if you lived through that encounter you would not be held liable after the fact? There is blame to be had but we simply don’t know where that falls yet." None of this is to say you shouldn't feel angry, frustrated and disappointed with how LE handled the situation, I just want to give a bit more perspective.
@@PrepMedic I appreciate your perspective and would completely agree if this were a “black swan” event. But these types of scenarios have become almost commonplace to the point where there are standard response protocols documented and trained. I know Monday morning quarterbacking is easy and hindsight is always 20/20 but this event right on the heals of several others cannot have caught anyone involved off guard. It seems liability, potential litigation and “officer safety” was (and is) a higher priority than saving lives. When those involved failed to intervene AND prevented others from intervening, they became complicit and should be charged as accessory to these crimes - let a jury see ALL the evidence and decide.
What's embarrassing, these guys are professionally trained,. This puts to rest all this theoretical training. It doesn't matter how well equipped... It's all mental, civi or not are you willing to die for others... They got paid to let people die.
@@450ktm520 too bad they won’t lose sleep or pay over the dead children. America protecting their law enforcement against any sensible actions that should be taken is starting to become a totalitarian regime in its own right… shame
the photo of the Swat Team tells you everything you need to know. Couldn't figure out if it was a Cartel from Mexico... You cant expect American responses with Mexicans... If the problem is the border needs to be moved 100 miles that what it means... We are not responsible for Mexicans...
I would like to see breeching tools kept at all schools. Maybe some flashbangs, gas grenades and a shield too. This way any officer could utilize it upon arrival and not have to wait for a SWAT team. Thanks. I enjoyed your discussion here 👍
Months to make up what ever story it takes to cover as many butts as possible. The cover up began before the blood was dry. There is no excuse for waiting over an hour cowards every one.
@@jasonmiller6990 do you have to be in Germany in the 1930's and 1940's to know Hitler was evil, or do you need an investigation and for someone else to tell you he was?
Here’s the thing, incident command gets established and starts collecting “intel”. They determine that there is no longer an active shooter and it is a hostage situation where the shooter is barricaded in a classroom threatening to kill more children if anyone gets close. You are now a late arriving officer that responded off duty. let’s say for a second you push past IC and run into the school only to find that IC was right and now the shooter starts killing everyone in the classroom. How do you justify that? Were there cowards on scene? Probably. But I highly doubt all of them were and a lot of this comes down to what they were told when they arrived on scene.
It’s really not as simple as people make it out to be. And as for your example, it took months and years for the world to figure out what hitler was doing, not days or weeks.
@@PrepMedic you do realize their own training said first ones are there to take out the threat? Did they do that? No they didn't. And don't be saying that tired old adage of "they were just following orders". We are all entitled to our own opinions, mine is they were all cowards.
Since columbine its been direct to threat and since pulse night club its been direct to threat and then rtf. I don't get it with this ulvade. Something was off for sure. That whole cordone the area and stand by for special teams is a huge thing of the past.
I’ll say it like it needs to be said we are responsible for our own safety! We can’t and should not depend on police or first responders to save our asses! Get trained in firearm proficiency and first aid people.
You can give a million advices on how to prevent school shootings and how to act when it comes down to it. All of that don’t matter, it will keep happening and happening until USA gets stricter gun laws.
This is not an excuse but another concern...everyone wants to sue constantly. They want to sue a gun maker because of what someone did with their product so its fair to say that one thing a cop also has to think about when developing a plan is that if they went in and the shooter kills someone else they will get blamed and sued for causing more people to be shot.
I have always said. If I was ordered not to make entry on an active shooter, that is something worth getting fired for sooooo I'm going in.
Dear Sam,
I am a firefighter EMS student. My dream is to become an active shooter response tactical aid along with being a paramedic. Your videos helped reinforce my dreams to help the public. I appreciate you as a person. I appreciate you as someone I look up to. Thank you for continually making videos. I respect that you make videos like this, contrasting your reviews and procedure videos. Thank you for being a real person. Stay safe .Připíjím na vaši velikost
Bro actually said “dear” in a yt comment
Very fair and honest words about a very confusing and tragic event. Hopefully the truth will finally appear in the next few months and we EMS professionals can learn from this horrible experience.
I live in Texas and I am a retired cop and paramedic this went so wrong in so many ways
I am not familiar with the author of this post and I am seeing this video for my first time. As a 30+ year police officer / training officer (Retired): I would like to thank this fellow for his video and his approach. He does a great job with his preface about not second guessing the first responders to incidents he was not involved with. He does an amazing job of providing some observations (not Monday morning quarter-backing) as a means to stimulate thought and learning. To the author: I appreciate your approach; your observations; your learning points; and thank you for your service.
I agree, a lot of things went wrong with that situation but I do believe it's impossible to understand how to not go in and terminate the threat. If leadership says otherwise then you replace the leadership once the situation is settled and safe. There's absolutely NO excuse for the actions of the police force in this situation, it's a failure from the very top of command to the lowest, greenest traffic cop. At the minimum if you're not going in get out of the way of the parents that are........
assuming it wasnt done on purpose. No dead kids no emotions to push gun control. The police chief was a huge supporter of gun control. Its pretty clear whats going on especially considering how the cops tazed and arrested parents using the threat of deadly force to stop them from saving their kids.
Thank you very much Sam for making this video and informing us about how it works from both the EMS and LEO side of things when it comes to situations like this. Quite honestly, I have served in two counties now, volunteer and career, and you basically broke down how active shooter/MCI scenarios are supposed to go down to a point that I fully understood it, you were straight to the point, you were organized, and you didn’t take so long to explain it.
Every RTF/TEMS class or drill that I’ve been to literally does NOTHING to explain it the way you did and quite frankly, the way our response systems are not properly organized or well thought out, in my opinion (Granted, I’ve only been in EMS for just shy of 4 years and, knock on wood, I e never been in this situation). Thank you very much again for this learning lesson brother and please be safe out there ✊
Everyone needs to watch Mike Glovers breakdown on this. 90% of those officers need to be fired and charged with crimes. Absolutely unacceptable response from them
Honestly the fact that they can hear children dying in the background of the 911 calls should have sent every officer into that building.
Any that stayed outside? Removed from duty. Period.
this was very well done, straight to the point, no politics, no speculation, and speaking from experience. There's lessons we can reinforce immediately, but for the specifics of this and similar tragedies, it will be months before we get an accurate account of what happened and even then we'll never know 100%
Well said. So many race to the point "I'd go in shooting" (And what, have ricochets kill kids?) After any major event like this, it's ALWAYS at minimum of weeks before we know the facts and often months or even years we don't know ALL the facts. While the best forensic techs can look to find where potentially every round traveled, it's impossible to know for sure. We STILL don't know every detail of whom was shot, did the shooting or killed friendlies v enemies in Waco. Months after Vegas we learned new facts about the rounds fired and what was probable as rounds that were pass-throughs and know with certainty it was a single shooter. How many know the VA Tech shooter didn't even try to force his way in or shoot through a door that was simply held shut with a person vulnerable to being shot through the door? However there are people who speculate or "know based upon a video or witness" and have not read or attempted to read follow-up and case reports. This case has many unanswered questions, or questions investigators have since learned answers to but not released until a final report is compiled.
Tears in my eyes sir.. With you 100%. Thank you for your service.
Thankyou very much for making this video. I have seen and heard a lot of hate comments towards the Emergency Services who attended the school on this horrific day! People need to know exactly what you said
Thank you for this video. There are a lot of people who don't understand the tactics of such a fluid and dynamic event like this from the view of the responders. I hope this video will help more people understand them so that in the future we can have informed discussions on what went right and what went wrong so we will be more prepared in the future. Stay safe and God bless.
I have watched the news here in the UK and being a fairly long term sub of your channel it's interesting to see how you guys approach 'active shooter' situation in the US.
I'm a paramedic here in the UK and we do train for what we refer to as MTFA (marauding terror firearms attack). The MTFA major incident plans here for our ambulance service are extremely effective. We basically leave the police to do their job and we focus on treatment, evacuation and triage. So in essence we completely separate police and EMS in their roles whereas it seems you guys approach the situation differently.
For anyone interested there was a fantastic documentary by the BBC, it was Hospital (series 2 episode 1). It showed the major incident plan put in place and used at the major trauma hospital in London during a terror attack. Very worth a watch.
Thanks for this discussion Sam and insight, your approach to the topic was very professional and respectful. My thoughts and prayers are with your whole country and to the families affected.
I'll search for it, but if you happen to have a link to that show- please do post it for others to watch. Thank you.
Wise, Honest and Fair words from an experienced, professionally trained and compassionate responder such as yourself....Thank you.
The biggest issue I have is three officers went in and got their own kids
Here is the thing though, we don’t know that. That’s a news story that was reported but it is as much speculation as everything else.
@@PrepMedic But an officer has admitted to that on camera. I understand if it was alleged by media. However, an officer, a higher up, admitted to that.
I've been a long time subscriber, first time comment(er)! This was a good analysis and a clear definition of the of response strategies (which continues to evolve) regarding active shooting incidents. I've been part of the emergency service community for a couple decades now and my organization had adopted the active shooter response protocols a couple years ago which you discussed. These tactics described can be very effective including initial response by first due LE (stop the killing), RTFs, CCPs, and MCI/triage guides (stop the dying). Thanks for taking the time to educate the general audience about these SOPS and also prefacing that we DONT yet know all the facts nor have a full understanding of the possible errors during that horrific day. My hope is that more organizations will adopt the training available and that we also take opportunities to further improve our tactics, techniques and procedures based on this incident so that others may live. Keep up the good work!
I was a cop in the military but new to the EMS services. I think your videos are very helpful. I am awaiting my first interview for ambulance service. I am enjoying your videos trying to keep fresh my newly learned skills. Wish me luck on getting an interview .
Not American. I don't understand school shootings..BUT this is why I am subscribed to you Sam ! Thank you for a level headed well rounded non mud slinging video. I do agree with some of the other commentators that CPR and basic first aid should be compulsory in schools around the world and a requirement for a drivers license.
They're a hard thing to understand. One side wants to blame guns, the other side wants to blame... well practically everything _except_ guns. In my opinion it's a function of young men (it's almost exclusively men who do this) living in a society drowning in economic disparity, despair, uncertainty, and polarized politics while being programmed by media of all types that violence and power are how they take control of their lives. I don't think guns are the cause personally, but access to weapons just makes it that much easier for a lonely, unstable, or radicalized person to take out their rage and suffering on innocents.
"Not American", this is not just an America problem. Its worldwide. And yet you slung mud.
Good, un-biased video yet again Sam. Appreciate the viewpoint from someone that's been both an officer and in the highest level of EMS.
As a team leader of my municipality’s RTF I really appreciate this video and will share it with my colleagues
Good assessment, our agency (Federal) gas trained smaller departments in active shooting situation.
After Columbine, procedures were changed and you are correct first officer on scene goes in. We all know the risks, but this is our chosen profession and we go in, preferably with two officers at a minimum.
Thanks for giving us Civvies a clearing picture on the process and keeping us informed.
Good to learn about policy and procedures by which to evaluate an incident; I needed that.
Great video. As a retired LEO and EMT, I would want to get in and help treat victims (or take out the shooter if LE is not on scene yet). As a civilian, I won't be allowed entry into the area. This is why I became a CERT member. In my area, once the scene has been secured, I will be able to assist in treatment of the wounded. Other areas may not have the relationship we have and you may be denied entry. Much depends on the relationships you have made with your local L.E. and EMS as to if you will be allowed to assist. This is a great way to use prior training in a way that is positive. Look into and support your local CERT team. It's a great way to keep giving in your area.
I 100% agree with "you don't know what you'll do until you're there"
I'm not a LEO, never been one. I was security at a rougher nightclub in my area. One summer, we had gunshots on the street (and a couple times in the bar) every weekend.
Every time, I reacted slightly different; everything from no hesitation and going towards the person shooting, to running for cover.
You don't know what you'll do.
Appreciate the perspective, definitely a scenario to run through the mind and prepare.
THANK YOU! A total voice of reason in explaining why "Monday morning backseat driving" is useless. Anyone who's worked, lived through, investigated any related incident knows it takes days or even weeks for ALL the facts to surface. Recognizing things like outward swinging steel doors and specialized tools to breach those. Sure, an officer/deputy may have a shotgun with breaching slugs, but those still do not guarantee a bolt will not jamb the door shut. Do they have a Halligan, and ability to use it without simply being shot by having to stand in front of the door (potentially with a window for shooter(s) to see through and create another casualty through what would be almost a sure target. While you covered MANY of the most relevant topics, there were two not mentioned and as horrible as it is to think and talk about... Did he have the children and/or teachers forming a human shield? Yes, a SWAT team may have one or more qualified distance shooters... but did the room have windows, were the curtains closed, was there potential of a human shield behind that? Then finally, when people say "They should have rushed in shooting." Are they considering that a classroom typically has concrete floors, hard laminate desks and often brick or steel construction/support structures? A single shot into a room like that could travel through multiple ricochets and not unlike Vegas even travel through multiple small bodies in the process. I'm new to the channel, but quickly subscribed. Thank you again for the intelligent presentation and your service.
Now that you all have seen the Uvalde Video... Do you still hold that position to excuse any and all parts of law enforcement that failed those children and parents?
Thanks man this was very helpful even as a standard civilian I am definitely going to be brushing up on my TQ and fast reaction med kit
I agree with one of your very first points. That is; no one can truly state what they would do without being in that situation themselves. There are so many factors that evolve quickly that can (and will) dictate the chaotic flow of a high intensity incident. The 'Walmart Camo Commandos' are talking through their hat if they argue they know what they would do.
Bingo! All these people "I'd have charged in shooting!" (and what, killed kids with missed shots or ricochets?). I've seen men and women keep their cool and stay focused on task in the most chaotic of incidents and likewise (said with no disrespect) but combat hardened vets literally piss themselves when having to face a shoot/no shoot in an urban environment. In combat they were part of a unit and knew they had their flanks covered, they had protective gear, multiple shooters WITH them and often an overwhelming force moving forward on Jihadis. I'm old (60), been around the block a time or two, am not afraid of dying (but don't have a death wish or desire to be a martyr), don't have children and have lived a really full life fulfilling 99% of my Bucket List. Yet I don't know exactly what I'd do in any given situation until I can process all the known factors. A very short list: How many gunmen are there? Do they have a human shield? Do they have OTHER weapons (ie: grenades, suicide vest, traps rigged to stop entry)?, how skilled of a shooter/s are they? (We saw in Buffalo recently, this 18yr old kid performed with precision and appeared to have a good deal of training), How near or far is my backup(can multiple points of entry be executed at the same time?). Digressing, you were spot on with your comments. This is not a TV show where a character always makes perfect decisions, perfect shots and always wins. And even if someone feels they would go ALL IN to save children, if they have their own children at home... how can they NOT think twice about leaving that child without a parent?
You have two choices. Act or don’t act. The chaos will unfold no matter which choice you make. The chaos will probably only stop if you act.
Here in the Uk we had 1 school shooting and 1 shooting on a shopping high street and firearms were made illegal since outlawing firearms which happened in the 80s we have had 2 mass shootings with illegally imported weapons both had under 5 casualties
Had any stabbings since then? Vehicular homicides?
@@PrepMedic yes we do have major issues with knife crime but at least you can run from a knife
As a former Military EST Air Force SWAT instructor, my team members called each other after Columbine. We spoke about it, asking why they did not perform a "Crisis Entry", as we did way back in 1982, lack of training? Lack of seriousness in each of their training? Lack of have foresight from their "leadership" who hold the purse strings? Our Crisis Entry meant to haul butt to the bad guy, the sound of his/her gunfire. Those who train survive, but you have to train first. Then do it again. BTW, Monday morning quarterbacking is welcome - as long as it is directed at the leadership, and operators learn. Check egos at the door.
True…feels like the details stripped away from situations the cultivation of keep moving don’t think about decisions just execute them. Mistakes can be made in moments like that but will be more understanding as long as you continually press and commit to your actions
Appreciate your experienced insight on this tragedy!
I'm in the UK and its a tragedy that so many young lives have been lost.as for the response /dessions on the ground there will always be something to learn and improve/change for the better.
I agree with everything you said well done video wise
textbook response. One of the things my (paramedic) professor told us, was that MCIs are always under heavy scrutiny and that it's always going to be a total shit show. The most we can do in EMS is do what we can recall from our training. I know in the county I live in, they run an MCI drill once every 5 years. It's probably less frequent for smaller communities.
Thanks for sharing your insight and experience!
I always enjoy listening to you speak. It is a very sensitive subject. I certainly do not have any answers as to why or what happened. It is just so sad as a civilian and a concealed carrier I would have gone in but I very much respect your requests and you opinion. I hope this stops . I personally wish more teachers carried my opinion but they also would need training I would personally donate to the cost of the training, thank you again
How important is it to not leave your radio at home if you're in charge of the scene?
the only people who can make a valid "if I was there argument" is if youve been in a situation similar to the tragedy which is mostly experienced law enforcement, first responders, contractors, and veterans
Thank you so much for the input on this!!!!1
Since columbine, it's been very clear in every single class and training and debriefing that if you're the first on scene, you grab what you got and go in without waiting. If all you got is what's on your belt, then you better make the best of it. Get to the shooter and stop him however you can or die trying. Thankfully statistics show overwhelmingly the shooter cowards will give up or commit suicide immediately so get there asap.
Very tough and complex subject. Politics aside, I think a good response solution to these events is to have as many people in each community as possible trained and equipped with "stop the bleed" capabilities. The reality is, that is likely a better solution than having armed civilian responders. But I also think some of both might be worth considering.
I have attended the Texas ALERT course for active shooter that is the texas standard and the video shows a lack of preforming as trained. Mike Glover does an excellent break down of the entire time video on field craft
Hey PrepMedic, I'm new to the channel, and I've been working on building some new med kits. If you read this, I could use your advice. I'm looking for 4" and 6" flat fold pressure/Israeli bandages with some kind of pressure bar, but I'm having trouble finding them. I'm a civilian, but I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Thanks for the great videos.
Thank you for this video. 🙏
Great talk Very cogent and neutral.
awesome video man!
Thank you.
What we can do is ensure the old Red Cross first aid training is given again. Now the Stop The Bleed program is available nationally. For 20 year I was told tha tourniquettes were no longer to be used. I'm glad I didn't need to resign in order to use one, because as the DoD has proven, it is better to risk losing a limb, than to guarantee losing the victim.
Thank you sir, make complete sense to me.
As a security guard with minor traning as a combat medic i didn't really see to much on the medical side of the house for this instance but there is always a oppertunity to learn and this should be a start to a new series on how to do these types of things just basic info enough to get you stable and ready for transport. Witch is what a basic cassoulet collection point it. Sicurity needs this traning desperately couse we are the first line of difence
From my emt class days…a quote I still remember…a lot of people get shot and you prob never hear about them…because you prob either die almost immediately from critical area unfortunate target matches…or you get hit in the much larger percentage of non-critical mass areas…not always a pretty outcome but you will likely survive.
Turns out, it’s pretty tough to get killed by guns compared to the idea that if you get shot you die mindset.
Thank you for the insight
I am currently studying on Brno Technical University in Czech Republic, I carry an EDC trauma/first aid kit and last week I had a basic life support course in our local Red Cross training center.
What would you recommend as a next step in getting better training for injury-related emergencies? I know our healthcare and training systems differ quite a bit from what you are used to in America but at least the most basic elements might be similar.
Learn chest seals, tourniquet use and anything else that can be used to treat extreme trauma. Get certified in your country for first aid if not already and take paramedic classes in person or online as they’re taught most first responding skills.
I have a question about Celox granules and Celox gauze that in your video, you've told that you are not recommend the Celox granules. Why is that?
Some great insights.
The decision to wait cost those children their lives!!!
I don’t much about this school shooting so I won’t comment on that. But I will say this it is becoming more and more common in todays world for mass shootings. Public safety as a whole needs to get ahead of this and be proactive in getting some kind of systematic response set in place.
Recently my EMS agency started a tactical medic group that will begin to train regularly for a Rescue Task Force response. I am on that team and it has become blatantly obvious how out of the loop we are. Nothing short of consistent training will allow us to be prepared for it.
I spent a few years regularly asking administration about getting something along these lines going and others had been asking long before I came along. If your agency doesn’t have anything like this and you see it as a problem start pushing for it and find others that think like you and if need be train on your own and on your own time. Public safety is just as politic as everything else and if they can see commitment to this when you’re not being paid for it then they will be more likely to find it.
Now if only we could get the big wigs in DC to take our mental health and broken family epidemics seriously, we may have a chance of stopping a lot of mass shootings
What police response?
Meh cops won't save you. The social, media peeps will just support the cops and never find fault.
You will need to fight your way to the kids and save your own
Really appreciate this. Is there any way that we, as non-emergency career citizens could be on standby to help? I’m proficient in firearms but have recently considering going and getting some formal EMT training.
If you have a local CERT group, most offer some semi-advanced emergency medical response training courses. I am taking them as available in my local group, and am finding them helpful (and free).
there where people at Uvaldi but the cops tazed them and arrested them under threat of deadly force
I want to know how you feel about arming fire/ems for this exact situation
You won’t call every cop that was on scene a coward, but I will. There were people there from every agency in 10 miles and they didn’t want to enter. There needs to be a duty to intervene law for police.
good information. how do you feel about the fact some of the parents have said they are going to sue Daniel Defense? personally I think it's pointless and a shifty way to push blame, but I'm curious how others think about it.
I believe it's escapism on their part, car manufacturers aren't responsible for drunk drivers, etc. Emotions are high and misplaced anger make people do strange things, of course politicians pushing such actions make them more likely these days.
Rest in Peace to all murdered and my condolences and best wishes to the family and friends
Per the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, they have no case. *However,* many state judges, including in state-level appeals courts, have decided that they can just ignore the PLCAA over the last few years. The recent Remington settlement is just going to encourage these vultures. Perhaps Texas will shut down such BS, but I wouldn't rely on it.
They are the type of people who would try to sue Starbucks because the coffee was hot.
Yes it's a tragedy.
But to sue Daniel Daniel defense is nonsense.
Lots of people to blame, but Daniel defense isnt one of them.
When was the last time someone tried to sue Ford motor company over a drunk driver?
Or the company that built the suv that purposely drove threw a Christmas parade last year, killing something like 56 people.
Elderly and women included.
Nobody is going after vehicle manufacturers.
Just like no one is saying that someone needs to be 21 to drive.
Because deep down they know its bs.
Not fully related, I’m a new EMT and just about to start my AEMT class. We haven’t really gone over school shootings but in a school shooting MCI incident would you still triage the same as other incidents? This was a horrible thing that happened and coming in new to the EMS world just hoping to learn something from it.
I’m a paramedic and on a RTF team. Triage is still the same as triage anywhere else. Get to your patient get a quick assessment possible perform a life threat intervention (tourniquet or recovery position) and then move on. No more than 15-30 seconds per patient. Triage is for the most good for the most people not the best for one person. It’ll be hard but you have to keep that in mind.
Look out for any NAEMT TECC class and that’ll get you on the right path for learning more about this specific area of EMS.
"Good times create weak men. Weak men creates bad times. Bad times create strong men. Strong men, create good times." - G. Michael Hopf
I hope these times make strong people - men and women. Because I need help shouldering and facing the problems of the present, to help make a better future. Stop being so damn selfish please.
- From a fellow American
Politicly, I understand both sides and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to solve the problem. I do find that an honest debrief is in order. I hope everyone involved can be as mature as this video has been. Great and insightful video as always.
Grts from the Dutchies
We need more advancements for bleed control technologies.
@@Rollochrome i don't think it's an unwillingness to be trained, i just don't think many people even consider it. it'd be fine if it were a mandatory one semester (or less) class somewhere along the education pipeline. heck, even offer extra credit instead making it mandatory.
@@dogwalk3
As a long time volunteer EMS trained firefighter I can unfortunately tell you people are lazy and many can't be bothered.
A class in the schools should be part of the curriculum for all students. It's not perfect but it's what we can do
Maybe a better way of communicating how important it is for all of us to get at a minimum basic first aid and stop the bleeding training can be created quickly.
@@Rollochrome civilians where at Uvaldi trying to intervene but the cops tazed them and used the threat of deadly force to arrest them protecting the active shooter and enabling the active shooter to continue his murdering.
Maybe people need to use their 2A to deal with the dirty cops who protect murderers
@@thatkajunguy8029 damn, im sorry to hear that that's what reality is like. i try to be hopeful, like maybe more people are getting interested with the prevalence of these types of videos on youtube (or maybe my algorithm is just becoming an echo chamber) & with things getting worse in the world, people might change their minds. oh well. here's hoping, even though now that i think about it, i think im the only person in my entire social circle that has any sort of interest or training in these things. damn.
I appreciate how you and Aaron from Sage Dynamics stay objective in your videos and don't use the opportunity to push political opinions. Thank you for the video.
It might be useful to issue breaching shells with the shotguns carried in patrol cars if entry is a problem. I say "might be useful" because it could add to the confusion and over choice of giving people too many tools. 9mm, .223, buckshot, rifled slugs, breaching slugs, beanbag rounds, taser, pepper spray, nightstick, and those are just the weapons.
I have a 21" crowbar with a keyring attached in my patrol bag. Not perfect, but better than fiddling with keys. I can grab it and clip it to my key clip as I go. Heres hoping it stays there for my whole career
"Liability"... the department was worried about liability. The leadership needs to be held accountable, their officers need to be held accountable and at the end of the day you can't muster courage to save kids and do your job. Go be a meter maid not a police officer.
Liability as in if the IC says it’s a hostage situation and you disregard what they tell you, run into the school and a bunch of kids get shot.
Active shooter police inside within minutes, engage, retreat and then say the doors were locked. Nah sounds more like excuses to save their asses. Now the fact of the matter is he was indeed attacking innocent and defenseless children not holding them hostage. Go in and save as many as possible. Life preservation is their duty and they failed even before he reached the school.
we've went to limited penetration and solo response protocols
Thx u
question is why did the cops arrest parents and kept them from saving their kids. Looks like their goal was to let the active shooter get as high of a body count as possible.
It is fairly simple. It is an active shooter scenario. You cannot allow civilians into the “hot zone” because it adds confusion to an already complicated problem. Of course any parent would wanna rush in, myself included. But it also would make it things so much harder for responding agencies
@@reclaimer468 if they would only respond tho... In this case they clearly aimed to let the shooter get his kill count up.
We already see that the Uvaldi police is running a cover up considering how they block investigation efforts
@Badger Bill Probably credit card, he got zero credit history and a steady income, easy for him to get a card, banks hunt young people like him.
BTW, Daniel Defense got a financial program. I personally think this is peak capitalistic fucked up.
Is there anything that civilians can do in these situations from a trauma aid perspective that would be helpful? Say a parent is at the school; how can they help?
Stop the bleed
The police chef is refusing to work with investigators that is enough for me fire the whole department even if you keep them the entire community will never trust them again setting yourself up for problems later
Dear Sam.
Thank you for a good honest video.
There is nothing more emotive than the death of children. Over 8 million children go missing every year & media has little to say. Child trafficking is now more lucrative than drugs & guns & gold. That being said & as a nurse ALS & ex military I will ask all to take a bigger picture in regards to all school shootings & remember how deep do we go in the actual perpetrator,s of these crimes.
I think you’ve given more grace than those involved deserve. This appears to be either cowardice combined with gross incompetence or something far more sinister.
Here is a response I typed out earlier. Just food for thought. This isn't a defence for the police department (obviously bad decisions were made), but saying that everyone on scene was a coward is a stretch. I have heard your sentiment repeated and I think that it oversimplifies an incredibly complex and overwhelming scene....
"Who does that blame fall on? What intelligence did IC get when they arrived? What did they tell other responding officers? Let’s think hypothetically for a second and say IC arrives on scene and either rightfully or wrongfully determines that the shooter is barricaded in a classroom and has turned the whole ordeal into a hostage situation where he is threatening to shoot more children who are locked in with him if anyone comes in the school? Hostage rescue is a completely different strategy then active shooter. Now let’s say you are a officer arriving on scene and IC tells you this information. Do you Push past the person acting as IC (who supposedly has the most intel) and run into the school which triggers the hostage taker to start executing children? Do you think for a second if you lived through that encounter you would not be held liable after the fact? There is blame to be had but we simply don’t know where that falls yet."
None of this is to say you shouldn't feel angry, frustrated and disappointed with how LE handled the situation, I just want to give a bit more perspective.
@@PrepMedic I appreciate your perspective and would completely agree if this were a “black swan” event. But these types of scenarios have become almost commonplace to the point where there are standard response protocols documented and trained. I know Monday morning quarterbacking is easy and hindsight is always 20/20 but this event right on the heals of several others cannot have caught anyone involved off guard. It seems liability, potential litigation and “officer safety” was (and is) a higher priority than saving lives. When those involved failed to intervene AND prevented others from intervening, they became complicit and should be charged as accessory to these crimes - let a jury see ALL the evidence and decide.
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Nobody should have waited…..
Is anyone really surprised that the cops screwed up again? It's what they are best at.
So you're going to put your app in and show them how to do it right ?
@@kennywise237 they work for the government their to stupid to learn anything.
Hello
Stop the killing, stop the dying
They need to be charged with murder. They didn’t help the poor children and teachers. The cops did wrong! Shame on them.
What's embarrassing, these guys are professionally trained,. This puts to rest all this theoretical training. It doesn't matter how well equipped... It's all mental, civi or not are you willing to die for others...
They got paid to let people die.
@@450ktm520 too bad they won’t lose sleep or pay over the dead children. America protecting their law enforcement against any sensible actions that should be taken is starting to become a totalitarian regime in its own right… shame
@@450ktm520 yes and it’s very sad!
the photo of the Swat Team tells you everything you need to know. Couldn't figure out if it was a Cartel from Mexico... You cant expect American responses with Mexicans... If the problem is the border needs to be moved 100 miles that what it means... We are not responsible for Mexicans...
I would like to see breeching tools kept at all schools. Maybe some flashbangs, gas grenades and a shield too. This way any officer could utilize it upon arrival and not have to wait for a SWAT team. Thanks. I enjoyed your discussion here 👍
Not that I feel like I have any say in this as a Dutchie. But doesn't that give the suspect those tools then as well?
@@Jules-ew4ly Lockbox outside not labeled as such, or inside a 'secret' vehicle in the parking lot.
@@Robnord1 fair point. maybe only being able to open those boxes with an entrance card the cops already have🤔
Months to make up what ever story it takes to cover as many butts as possible. The cover up began before the blood was dry. There is no excuse for waiting over an hour cowards every one.
One word describes all law enforcement at the school, COWARDS!
Were you there? Sam is wise in not assigning blame or condemnation
@@jasonmiller6990 do you have to be in Germany in the 1930's and 1940's to know Hitler was evil, or do you need an investigation and for someone else to tell you he was?
Here’s the thing, incident command gets established and starts collecting “intel”. They determine that there is no longer an active shooter and it is a hostage situation where the shooter is barricaded in a classroom threatening to kill more children if anyone gets close. You are now a late arriving officer that responded off duty. let’s say for a second you push past IC and run into the school only to find that IC was right and now the shooter starts killing everyone in the classroom. How do you justify that? Were there cowards on scene? Probably. But I highly doubt all of them were and a lot of this comes down to what they were told when they arrived on scene.
It’s really not as simple as people make it out to be. And as for your example, it took months and years for the world to figure out what hitler was doing, not days or weeks.
@@PrepMedic you do realize their own training said first ones are there to take out the threat?
Did they do that? No they didn't.
And don't be saying that tired old adage of "they were just following orders".
We are all entitled to our own opinions, mine is they were all cowards.
Since columbine its been direct to threat and since pulse night club its been direct to threat and then rtf. I don't get it with this ulvade. Something was off for sure. That whole cordone the area and stand by for special teams is a huge thing of the past.
You should consider changing from Prepmedic to MedicMentor
I’ll say it like it needs to be said we are responsible for our own safety! We can’t and should not depend on police or first responders to save our asses! Get trained in firearm proficiency and first aid people.
You can give a million advices on how to prevent school shootings and how to act when it comes down to it. All of that don’t matter, it will keep happening and happening until USA gets stricter gun laws.
Nah gun laws won’t help
Let's go brandon!!!!!!
This is not an excuse but another concern...everyone wants to sue constantly. They want to sue a gun maker because of what someone did with their product so its fair to say that one thing a cop also has to think about when developing a plan is that if they went in and the shooter kills someone else they will get blamed and sued for causing more people to be shot.
Get some.
What. Go on say it!
Bro what 💀
Thank you for your insights