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- Today I'm featuring the Dawson Precision Tool-less Guid Rod for the Springfield Armory TRP Operator Tactical Full & 3/4 Rail gun.
After doing some research into a different guide rod system, than the one that comes from the factory (pin, wire, hacked hex wrench, paper clip, required for disassembly) I emailed Dawson Precision about their product. It took them about 4 days to get it to me and all I can say is that it works as described.
This is a great product that makes the assembly/disassembly process of a weapon with the full length guide rod easy.
The setup that comes on a TRP Operator (railed) gun is a bull barrel with a full guide rod and a reverse plug (complete oposite of a GI 2 piece system). In order to transition to that system you will have to have a regular barrel fitted with a barrel bushing. That would be much more expensive than the $80 you pay for the Dawson system.
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LOL, the simplicity of the Glock (I own 4). I know $75 bucks sounds like a lot but if you own a TRP Operator then it's worth every penny. Thx for watching!
Great video, thanks.
I just got my TRP Operator. I see you have 2. I do really like mine, and I assume that you like yours as much as I do, maybe more. But, Im not sure that my hatred for finding a paper clip is on par with yours. I am interested in this product, but I dont want to sacrifice reliability by offering a new component that may fail. So.... Now that it has been a few years, how is it working out for you? Any problems with this thing?
This thing works flawlessly and has from the time I put it in. No worries!
Just picked up a TRP Operator. The guy at the gun store sold me on this because he has one. It's nice to know someone is willing to help prevent headaches! Second Amendment Sports in McHenry, IL. Great store with awesome staff! Thanks for a great video, and thanks to Bryan at Second Amendment Sports!
Since it doesn't come with a recoil spring, you must use your old spring from your old guide rod and install it into the Dawson precision guide rod.
I have a full rail TRP with the Dawson guide rod, about 1,500 ish rounds since 1 year ago and worked great, all of a sudden the spring is jammed inside the guide tube (?) and jams up...the guide rod dangling out the front with no tension on it. Cant figure out what is wrong or different ..nothing looks wrong..if I shake it a couple times it snaps free...
I've had the Dawson Precision Guide Rod installed in my TRP for years, it's fantastic.
Thanks for making the video. It was exactly what I needed.
Excellent! Sadly...on my very first take down, I gave my TRP the damned scratch, but lesson learned. This gun will stay with me for another 25 years or so, so I am not too upset about my stupid mistake. I will be ordering the Dawson rod today!!! Mine is 3/4 rail, so the rod will make life much easier. Thanks! Subscribed!
another idia is fix the barrel lik to s boy scratching your gun when you try to re-assembling
How do you like your TRP? I'm thinking of buying one. It is a pricey 1911.
It's pretty much everything I want out of a 1911. Pricey but worth it (to me). There are others out there with same features for less cost like the Remington R1 Enhanced.
I filed my 3/16 - 1/4 Inch Guide Rod Down where I was COMFORTABLE...SHOOTS GREAT NO KINKS OR ANY ISSUE EVER 1100 and Counting...AND NO MORE PINS OR PAPER CLIPS>>>And Looks Cool...I got 2 Black Holes Staring at Yeah...LOL
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Wow thanks for this video ! I purchased my full rail 1911 operator thinking it would be a pain to clean needing a paper clip all the time ! I’m definitely going to purchase this for sure now ‘ GAME CHANGER !
Great video. Thanx
yes. they are very nice. theres no need to have to have special tools to dissasemble. the only issue i have is how close i made the tolerances on mine between the compensator/barrel/guide rod plug. its a bit tight and can be a bit finicky
Just buy a couple bags of paper clips fo two bucks. If you lose one you’ll have plenty more.
The paper clips are free but the shipping is $80 :)
I bought a GI guide rod for my TRP Full rail. I got a bull barrel plug.
Your setup works great too. jr
Could you please make a video showing removal of the Springfield guiderrod and spring and installing the spring onto the Dawson guiderod. Thanks.
Hey juanriv can u please respond to this..I own the same trp..but I heard people talking about how I should replace my full length guid rod with a standard because springfield learned the full length was a mistake and makes the gun inaccurate??? is this correct..I am upset because i feel my trp is less accurate the my 1911 $450 gi model..when i paid 1300 for my trp
thanks juanito!! I might consider this tool for my full rail trp.
I bought one as well and in my opinion if your going to spend the money to buy a top shelf pistol like the TRP Operator this is a MUST. You wouldn’t buy a Ferrari with a 4 cylinder don’t pass on this Dawson.
Put one on my prodigy it was over 100$ makes assembly and disassembly quick and easy. Well worth the money. It's a bushing not a plug. Take your slide off your gun remove spring and rod remove barrel you do not have to capture outside of system first
We're talking about a Springfield with a bull barrel here, not a S&W with a barrel bushing setup. 2 Completely different guns, jr
Juan -
thanks for this video - i bought the guide rod and installed it on my TRP today (which i only got 2 weeks ago) - perfect video and i thanked the guys at DP as well.
BTW for the other TRP owners out there who reload...try 4.0GR of Bullseye with 185 grain SWC, JSWC or JHP with COAL of 1.215"...nothing but x's out of this gun!!! :) :) :)
I agree with Juanriv01, pices have gotten a little crazy lately, I got one off gunbroker a bit before the rush and paid around 1400 for it, one of the nice things about buying online is not all sellers require you to pay sales tax. just find a gunshop that doesn't charge 80+ bucks to act as your FFL before hand.
So...why not save the 80 bucks and disassemble the gun like you did with full rail everytime? Then u dont need wire,paper clip , or tool of anykind and dont need to buy a 80 piece that looks to me like it could break fairly easily leaving you with a non functional pistol....not to mention if u didnt have that button depressed all the way and hit the slide release slamming the slide into the tip of your fingers....then u would have a couple broken finger tips, a non functioning weapon, an 80 dollar paper weight, and a fucked up look on your face. Dont tell me its that difficult to disassemble with the spring tension...ive done it countless times even done it with gi guide rod just gotta make sure spring doesnt bend up on you. Jk bro thats a fine useful contraption....money well spent.
I have the Full rail and love the idea of the toolless guide rod...But,I have a 20pound spring on my 10mm RIA.....Too strong to push that spring with thumb to activate the lever...😪😪
Excellent presentation. I wish they had this for the Range Officer Compact, I would have bought one. Still a good video though. Thanks.
Thank God, No more paper clip!!!!!!
On the website. It states that there is no recoil spring included. What did you do?
Holding up perfectly. Have about 350 rounds combined between two different TRP's. Spring tension on the lever feels just as strong as when purchased. Let me know how yours is doing for you. Thx, jr
Nice job. Very informative.
Is like same size . Ruger spring recoil p89 DC 5"
Great video Juan, thanks!
Great Job! I did not know there was a rod out there till today, so thank you! do they sell them for Kimber 1911 PRO CARRY 11 WITH LIGHT RAIL?
I second this question! Is there any updates??
Sure, the gi guide rod works ok. It's been doing ok for over a hundred years
I just used a Wilson Combat 1pc full length guide rod. I hate that 2pc garbage
Staples will sell you a pack of paper clips You can keep in your range bag in case you lose one problem solved
nvm just saw the end of your vid. thank you very much
will this fit a Kimber 1911 Custom II
Nice one on the full rail
Nice explanation.👍🏽✌🏾
Why spend $80 when u can just run a GI length guide rod. No benefit to the full length.
Arian Kukaj because you’re dealing with a bull barrel, not a traditional barrel with a bushing.
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Very cool, excellent explanation.
Great gun, I got one of these guide rods in the mail today, I hope to have a short vid of it posted soon.
Great video. Hope you don't mind me asking but what does the grip handle say on the second TRP?
Thanks! I purchased those grips from Dawson Precision. It’s just some funky logo, Japanese style writing. They are aggressive and looked cool. Gives it that touch
I got one of these because of his video, hope it works as good as it looks
Man this is a long video. I tried to watch it all, but couldn’t.
LOL, that's ok, thanks for visiting!! jr
Nice! I need one of these for my full-rail TRP.
Dingle Fritz not cheap but a must
for 80.00 it should come with a tool you can use to disassemble your guide rod, id rather go with a full length guide rod and not have to worry about carrying around a paper clip
The $80 tool is the solution to the problem. I think what you’re saying is that for a $1,600 gun, it should come with the tool
This is great information for someone wanting this pistol but may not know about the guide rod needing a tool in order to disassemble the pistol, even for a simple field strip... Also very informative for someone that may know about needing the tool, but doesn’t know about an alternative from a trusted place like Dawson, and might be hesitant buying the pistol as needing a special tool just for field stripping may be a deal breaker for some people... thank you for making this vid 👍
With all the pending gun legislation, prices have gotten out of hand. It also depends what market your in how much you'll end up paying. Gunbroker has the craziest prices on TRP's. Just in January my LGS had one of these for $1599 ($250 more than I paid but well below what their going for on Gunbroker), jr
@42cujo because of the bull barrel there is no bushing. You would have to fit a regular barrel and bushing, then you could use the GI guide-rod. In the place of the bushing, there's a reverse plug on the inside attached to the guide-rod. It really works flawless with or without the Dawson but the disassembly and reassembly is much easier with it. Hope this helps, jr
Because the operator with the bull barrel uses a reverse plug in the place of the barrel bushing. The claim is that the bull barrel is more accurate but I've owned both models and find no difference, jr
@Clapacino 2. takedown requires either a paper clip with the full length or a hex wrench with the two piece guide rod. I have the the stainless no-rail TRP with the GI setup, regular barrel and bushing setup, and I shoot better with the half rail (the trigger feels heavier on the stainless). The only change I'm making to both my full & half-rail is changing out the rear adjustable sight with the 10-8 combat sight. I did install the Dawson Tool-less just to ditch the stupid paper clip, juanriv01
Wow! Nice
@Clapacino I have gotten flyers with the 3/4, but I attribute that to the rear sight. It's like the factory sights on Glocks. I didn't realize how bad they made me shoot. Some people love the wide open sight picture but the moment I went with Trijicons and closed the gaps, my shots started to hit POA. Plus the edges on the TRP adjustable's snag on loose clothing. Harrison custom has a rear sight that works great for the TRP Operator. In my opinion, the sights have to go (that's just me)
The Operator is a railed gun. I have a stainless also that uses the two piece guide rod, just like yours. Unfortunately this tool-less guide rod only works with a bull-barrel / bushing-less gun. My next move will be to go with the GI configuration and eliminate the need for the hex wrench. My only reason for the GI setup is to ditch the wrench, not because I think one is more accurate than the other. To me, simple is better. Thx for watching!
Just dropped in a FLGR with a compensator on my G.I. 1911....LOL this is alot trickier than I initially expected. Easy to get on, still have yet to get it off.
@Clapacino 1. Springfield has been making the loaded model with the 2 piece & the TRP with the full length guide rod for a long time. I have all 3 TRP's and I can tell you that they all shoot better than I can or am capable of. The bull-barrel/full length setup is used by all major manufacturers. In this setup the bull-barrel lockup is what provides the accuracy and the Springfield TRP has very tight tolerances. The only reason people complain about the guide rod setup is because of the....
As far as I know you won't have to change anything. The kit tells you to transfer your recoil spring from your current setup to the Dawson. Mine works flawlessly and I don't see you having any problems It's worth the $80 bucks with shipping. jr
@Clapacino Well, you know the TRP, for the money, is an awesome seller for Springfield. They just can't keep them in stock. My LGS placed and order 2 years ago and they just started trickling in October of last year. A banged up used one sells for $950 and Springfield will still stand behind it even to the second owner. I had one issue and in 6 days they had me squared away. Keep it clean, change out your recoil spring at 500 rounds, and you'll be just fine!
@Clapacino I dont like the sights that come with it, they are too "ridged" and protrusive. They are springfield factory target night sights if im correct?...other then that I absolutely LOVE MY Springfield TRP. I'm glad for your affirmation that the FLGR isn't the issue and as I poder further I think my flyer shots are mainly due to the skinny ridged factory sights..what do you think Juan...anyone else you know getting weird flyers with the TRP 2007/08 1/2 rail model?
For 1911 45acp What kind of Recoil Spring? Thank you
Does anyone know if you can simply swap the Dawson stainless recoil plug for the blued SA version? I prefer the look of the blued recoil plug...
@Clapacino My experience has been the same as you. But when you start getting those tight groups you become a bit overconfident and your mechanics suffer. You notice that when you catch yourself and readjust, everything comes together again. I'm talking range targets and not steel plates.
@juanriv01 One rumor I heard in regards to the FLGR was that is causes "ridgidity" within the upper and lower reciever and therefore can snap shots other than designed...[this was all just forum talk though]
1st. saw one 4 or 5 yrs ago. hell maybe longer on the west coast. didn't buy it.....didn't see another for about 5 yrs. maybe longer. even called springfield about it. saw it again, when I was shopping for a heavier recoil spring. didn't hesitate, plopped down my credit card. they said it was the last one. they don't hang around long out here. in debt for $1800.00 ain't complaining
I've had 500+ rounds without a hitch and when it's all put together the guide rod doesn't come in contact with any metal as the reverse plug centers everything. I'm glad you like it and hope it works for you as it did for me, jr
@juanriv01 Strange flyer shots in my shot group is what is concerning me the most, every 8 shots or so I'll get a non-adherent group shot. At first I though there may be play in the barrel but i quickly realized the TRP was too tight for that to be true.. so my next hunch was the FLGR, now my new hunch is the factory sights being TOO precise if you know what I mean.
I didn't realize the Nighthawk made a reverse plug in a GI setup that would work with the TRP. Can you tell me how much gunsmithing is required to make this work? (I read on the bottom of the product page that gunsmithing was required). Thanks, jr
I have 2, STI 2011's. they sent a plastic tool that makes it a little easier to take down the bull barrel on my VIP. now that I have the TRP FULL RAIL, WITH THE BULL BARREL, I think I just might have to spend the extra money. I had no idea that the tool less guide rod worked that easy. dawson used to be a gunsmith for STI, that guy must be a genius. surely he's got the patent on that ! thnx juanriv01
I would just get a stainless steel GI recoil rod and plug then call it a day.
The TRP has a bull barrel setup and would require a reverse plug. The tool-less guide rod allows you to keep the weapon’s intended design and simplifies takedown dramatically.
"$1350.00 dollar weapon..." Where did you get that figure? Just wondering, since I just bought one (four more days to go...) and I paid 2K (ouch! but so worth it). My understanding is its a semi-custom gun. $1485 was the lowest I found (of course not available) and $1850 for a waiting list. Thinking of beveling the guide rod bushing or at least checking for interference first. Great videos, you helped me a lot! Thank You!
juanriv01, I believe Nighthawk Custom has a better answer for those with bull barrelled TRPs. I was going to go the Dawson route, but I have read about them breaking. Nighthawk has a reverse plug that allows you to use a regular GI rod. It is true simplicity; 1 part.
My TRP doesn't have a bull barrel. It's the stainless tactical model. And it has a two piece FLGR. Why didn't they just use a one piece?
Completely different setup. We're talking bull-barrel not guide-rod with plunger, jr
When you purchase this do not use your old spring. It is impossible to get the spring past the lever. Purchase both guide rod and spring as one entire unit. I made the mistake of trying to use my old guide rod. I also tried to use the spring purchased alone with the tool-less and still impossible to get working. This is a "REAL PAIN".
Great video, juanriv01. I have 2 Kimbers, a 4" compact CDP and a 5" Custom, both function flawlessly. I would like to be able to take them down without a tool. Will I have to change the firing pin spring in either/both for this setup? I have 18lb and 22lb spring in them with the appropriate spring for the firing pin from Wolf. Thank you, I'm very curious about this.
So how easy is it to replace the recoil spring for maintenance?
I’ve never had issues with taking down my full rail. I actually went with the 10-8 reverse plug so it disassembles like a GI. But am interested in this tool less guide rod just don’t know how easy it is to replace the recoil spring and setting up the guide rod to be put back in.
This is genius. My TRP was on order and before it even came in, I saw this video and ordered the Dawson Precision Guide Rod. I received it, disassembled my firearm once with a paperclip just to install the Tool-less Guide rod, and I love it! Do you have issues when reinserting the captive guide rod back in when re-assembling by the guide rod rubbing the inside of the slide? I am afraid it will start rubbing away at the coating :/ Love the way the system works though! Still won't change it!
@juanriv01 Thanks Juan you're the best, I consider myself advanced in the knowledge of firearms but the whole reasoning behind the FLGR vs SGR issue has mystified me. As I myself could't think of anything other than faster disassembly for preferrence of an SGR. Having the FLGR myself in my 1/2 rail Operator I noticed flyer shots in my groups and wasnt sure if the bull barrel or FLGR was the issue, and also considered the sights on the trp as many I know replaced theirs with novack
Thank you so much bought this for my Prodigy. Without your video I would have been lost.
Can I put one of these Guide rods into my Ruger SR 1911 & do away with the recoil plug etc. & If so how will this effect the gun's function etc.?
@SuperOchiba I hope it works for you as well as it has for me, jr
There are no instructions that comes with this unit. Does not show how to load spring on the guide rail. I have a FULL RAIL which is extremely difficult to get the spring on the rod.
Thank You!!! Bought the Dawson product after watching your review. Much easier.
wow thats awsome but why cant you put the regular gi guide rod and plug not the full length ?
Does this work for the rail-less version of the TRP? If not; Is there a similar product that does?
Cool. Unfortunately, still not available in our place.
Looooooong winded get to the frecken point...
You didn't have to watch it. Next time just do your own review
Great video. Going to get one of those for my full- rail TRP. Subscribed to your channel also.
For the full rail, if you're willing to use an allen key or tiny screw driver you can still do it just like the half rail. use the allen key to actuate the lever in the guide rod and boom. same thing. though it's not 100% toolless at that point but I'd rather do that than mash the guide rod out the front with my thumb and still more convenient than the paper clip.
I bought a Dawson Precision Tool-less Guid Rod and it was of the best money I ever spent.
And marking the snot of the reverse bushing in the process.
Fantastic video. Dawson should pay you royalty for this demo
Wow does help I see thanks for your helpful advise no scratching allowed :)
That was awesome. I'll be buying one now.. you also gained a new subscriber.
I have the springfield 1911 loaded, i just replaced the 2 piece for the full length wilson combat guide rod for only 30 bucks.
Great Video keep the info coming. Thanks!
I have the full rail TRP. Is all I need the tool less guide rod? Their website says something about springs.
Jerry Cherry Pie I had no problems with the included spring and tool less guide rod setup. Don’t know of any known issues