Time turners don't work like that you can't go that far back in time it's a built in rule. The only way McGonagall could be there is if she was already born and that old.. maybe at some point she got put into a snow white coma by spell or beast and was awoke years later unaged and just kept teaching.
Dumbledore has always been manipulative. The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
Yeah I agree. I also thought maybe after 5 years with Grindelwald she was convinced he's terrible, and then saw Dumbledore's entire plan in Yusuf's mind including the team up with Jacob, so she wanted to help them. Does that make sense?
@@deemee009 that doesn't explain why she joined in the first place. What she wanted to be with Jacob, so join up with the guy who hates muggles smart. And she can't be tricked she can read minds.
@@aidanmullard8508 She joined up with him to give wizards the opportunity to bypass the laws which are preventing her from being with Jacob. Also remember that Grindelwald very shady character that he can often change his mind a perception overtime which again is partly why she change sides As after all in the first movie he says that he doesn’t hate Muggles per se he just sees them as a threat he basically destroys the weather is deemed a threat to them with his big main goal being freedom which is what Queenie truly desired. But again after time she came to slowly realize that even if being somewhat aware of his true intentions that this is not worth it getting what she wants and she probably saw through Jacob everyone standing up to him that there are other ways of getting what she truly wants and changing the rules and not having to resort to whst Grindelwald has in mind
With the Queenie Yusuf thing, I think there's a deleted scene where Dumbledore implants a memory of his sister into Yusuf. This is the pain about his sister that gets removed. I think this was all planned so they would trust him and leave Yusuf free to spy.
I mean it was pretty clear Queenie was lying because she was already having doubts after she saw grindelwald kill the Qilin and she also stated to Credence that she doesn't tell grindelwald everything right before Kama got there.
In the planning scene in the train Yusuf says that he already has with him what he needs. Dumbledore possibly took the memory out of him and put it into a phial and replaced it with a different, fake one. He may have the phial with him or the original memory may be safe in Dumbledore 's pensive. I think this was in the original screenplay by J. K. and it ended up being just hinted at in the final script when the movie plot got simplified.
Jacob being at Hogwarts, a place under heavy Muggle repelling wards. And, although not a plot hole, Dumbledore should have defeated Grindelwald during the summit. Sure they postponed it to a future film to be greedy, but how are they going to thematically cap a fight ending in front of the *entire* wizarding world, that would earn him the reputation that people attribute to him.
The fact that I can relate to this world and its characters even more so than Harry Potter any regardless of the fact that these movies are just made with more passion and effort than the Harry Potter movies which says a lot because the David Yates Harry Potter movies In particular are some of the most cash Grabby Soulless Things that I have ever experienced, Only been made for efficiency and for them to make an easy paycheck. Here it actually seems like he let alone the rest of the crew a lot of Whom worked on his Harry Potter movies seem to have A lot more fun and therefore put a lot more effort into making these movies as if they actually want to be there and making them which again his Harry Potter movies just felt like they wanted to get this over and done with in the most efficient and lacklustre way possible Not truly being connected to the world that they are telling/portraying and just making it seem very generic and mediocreLy made. In these movies, you feel a lot of nuance and just a better sense of fun and connection to the world and characters going on. It’s kind of hard to explain and understand the words but if you go back and watch his Harry Potter movies compared to the fantastic beasts you’ll see what I mean. With these movies they are able to make it so that way even if it’s not directly using John Williams music for example all the time which they do do more here it just truly captures the feeling and natural Ness of being in the Wizarding world more. I also find a newt to be quite a relatable character to me; he has become one of my top favourite characters in all of fiction and also just relatable to me through his personality and nuance in the way that he does things and approach the world. If you truly know him and truly know these movies than you truly know me and vice versa if that makes any sense :-) we also get to see a lot of the Wizarding world we never going to see or even hear about in the box let alone answer a lot of backstory like Dumbledore and Grindelwald to play such a key part in the whole Harry Potter series and it just really Feels like the missing piece is coming in to conclude it and fill in the holes. This is all in a nutshell why I truly care about these movies And why they should not prematurely and and have them be filled to the way that they truly were intended and also true we overall deserve foresee a lot of other people who really like to have grown to really like these movies almost or just as much as I do or even better in some ways :-)
The lack of identification can easily to coughed up, to the guard thinking this random dweeb would get eaten. How many people know how to calm manticores down anyway?
Yeah the McGonagall one made me roll my eyes both in the previous and this film. With Bunty's case...I'm not sure why she needed to make the cases from an actual shop. If they used the Room of Requirement, the Room's supposed to provide all your needs, so it should have provided the cases for them. Also why was GG able to be witch like that? Not even Voldermort could bewitch a dead animal to make it pretend to be alive. Nor have t here been any indication that there's magic of that level in the books.
um, what? there is literally a spell called inferius that reanimates corpses and forces them to do the will of the wizard those are what Dumbledore and Harry Potter fight when they're retrieving the Lockett so yes, voldemort actually DID do exactly this
@@thecunninlynguist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean I'd argue the only difference was they were much more corpse like, and that could easily be explained by the fact that they were dead for decades when Dumbledore and Harry encountered them, while the cillen in fantastic beasts was only dead for days
It could be that you can only stop the effects of the Cruciatus while the caster of the curse is distracted. Plus with the Longbottoms they probably had their wands taken away so they couldn’t have protected each other even if it were possible to do so.
Why are you complaining about Nagini? She never should have been included to begin with. Also, Tina is just a love interest. She is not an important character and the USA was isolationist in the 1930s. The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
Dumbledore’ s age is also a plot hole because Dumbledore is supposed to at least 150 years old in the HP films in 1990s but in this movie it’s the 1920s and he’s about late 30s maybe mid 40s in age. That would mean he would only be in his mid 80s in HP
Queenie had seen the murder of the Qilin and was against Grindelwald when Yousef got there. She had also told Credence that she hid things from Grindelwald. Dumbledore was Supreme Mugwump, and he was pretty darn involved in fighting Voldemort. If anything, the plot hole is that he claimed that he refused every position of power for the rest of his life, yet the books state that he held that position.
@@DrFranklynAnderson I thought Tina would show up with one or something to be a big reveal, or Dumbledore would have the real one. Maybe they just wanted extras to help confuse Grindelwald about potentially more cases?
Nagini appears in FB2 because people want to know what her 'origin' story is. The snake was a woman. That's done in FB2 so we dont need to talk about her again in FB3. People ask why again Nagini didn't appear in FB3 now so she will reappear in FB4 to let you know actually she was doing something important and we cant show you in FB3, but because she does something so we have something to see now in FB4. JoKe writing in a nutshell.
To be fair maybe Nagini lost her human form and turned into a snake forever. But yeah too many plotholes in this franchise. The biggest is why Jacob didn't shot Grindelwald
I think the Fantastic Beasts films are in the same continuity as the Movies. So the continuity isn’t that strict. That means Minerva could be there and some of the other things could be explained that way.
How could Minerva be there when on pottermore her bio showed she wasn’t born during the time until way after. If jk address this plot hole to explain how then I can understand but until then she’s not supposed to be there.
@@portiag7915 That is the nice thing. Pottermore is an extension of the books. The movies created their own canon. So in the end it fits. At least when you look on the movies as a separate thing.
Pottermore doesn’t exactly ignore the movies though, and it’s while certain things from the books went unsaid/unfilmed or were changed to be better for the screen, it’s not like they messed with people’s ages or important laws/dates or any of the hard facts like that. The first eight movies are surprisingly faithful to the books and pottermore includes both as canon. Not to mention, if the movies happen in a different universe where mcgonagall was be born at a minimum 26 years earlier than usual (8 years back from actual birth + 18 when graduating hogwarts) not including the two years she canonically spent working at the ministry before starting at hogwarts, that makes her nearly 90 years old by the end of the series and also means she would have taught Voldemort (and would likely be one of very few people who knew him as Tom riddle), but during Harry’s flashback in chamber of secrets dumbledore is the transfiguration teacher because professor dippet is still headmaster, meaning mcgonagall would have had to be teaching something else, but we know it wasn’t potions, divination, or defense against the dark arts because those teachers are all mentioned by name or appearance in the movies meaning that she would’ve had to teach magical creatures, charms, or herbology because none of the other classes except muggle studies are brought up at all in the movies, none of which seem like a thing she would do, and we end up with a totally different mcgonagall by the end of it all. TL;DR, she literally cannot be alive if she’s even remotely the same character as the one in the original movies, and the fantastic series is booty cheeks when it comes to continuity
@@peterludwig4599 very true there are countless plot holes if you rope these movies into the books. Hell, their going to the room of requirement to travel in this movie is a plot hole. In the fourth book, Dumbledore mentions that he doesn’t know all the secrets of Hogwarts. He was wandering the halls having to go to the bathroom and stumbled upon one when he needed it. The next day he went he found that it was gone and couldn’t find it since. Thus, he literally did not know about the room of requirement until the fifth book with the incident of the DA and couldn’t have known about it in this movie. Ignore the books for these movies people
Last one ain't surprising. It's typical in world politics. If Voldy became the ruler of all UK they will just start corresponding with him instead of the Minister of Magic and the Muggle PM. That's what happens in civil wars.
The woman who plays Nagini, (Claudia Kim,) became pregnant before filming of Secrets of Dumbledore began. That is why you don't see Nagini. I guess that Warner Brothers didn't want to add another recast to the list of things to do.
I don't mind the young McGonagall thing in Harry Potter's time she's really old so it would assume that her being young in fantastic beasts is probably a good thing that way it would I guess make sense by the time we see her in Harry Potter.
How old is really old?? If she was born in the 30s then when we see her in the potter films she’s well into her 60s, which definitely feels old enough for Maggie smith. Meanwhile if these movies are accurate she would had had to be born in 1891 (we first seen her at Hogwarts in Newts 1st year in 1910-2 years at the ministry-17 years of childhood= 1891) which would mean when we first see her at Hogwarts in sorcerers stone she is 100 years old. Call me crazy but Maggie Smith doesn’t look like she’s 100 in those movies.
@@J_Dane that has never been a thing.. they always expressly say in the books that Dumbledore is exceptional in the fact he is as old as he is and give much credit to his practice as an alchemist
@@J_Dane if you want to learn more about it there’s an article on pottermore about it expressing that Wizard life expectancy was at its highest at 135 years.
I don't understand how they got married at the end of the movie...they were getting married in the USA...Jacob is still a muggle...there was no mention that the laws in the USA were changed...it was such a big side plot in the past two movies just for it to be overlooked in this one.
JK Rowling uses "pure" and "wise" woman/creature characters that very conveniently warp the plot to meet its ending. Luna is too obvious in Harry Potter. So are Queenie and Qirin. For which, I, as a fan, get disappointed from the point of crafting efforts.
I've never seen anything lazier in a movie, than Grindelwald using Vulnera Sanentur on the dead Qilin. 1- Vulnera Sanentur is the countercurse to Sectumsempra 2- Both curse and countercurse were only invented some 40 years later by Severus Snape 3- Something tells me that a spell that literally translates to "wounds will heal" might not be effective on a freaking dead creature, especially in a universe where it is made very clear that magic cannot resuscitate the dead and this is one of the main parts of the entire message of the saga 4- what Grindelwald does is clearly turn the Qilin into an Inferius, which we don't know how to do/what kind of dark ritual does it involve, but damn, screenwriters, couldn't you make something up? Not even a dammit dedicated verbal spell?? Really??!
Remember, she was never ever confirmed to be born when people think that she is the new details we didn’t know about and because wizards can live longer than regular people EH?
Do my eyes deceive me, or does Grindy have the "Elder Wand" at one point in this video? Every time that I see a clip, and it's at a certain point, it certainly LOOKS like the "Elder Wand".....
You're not wrong. He has the elder wand and given the fact that he's dead and Dumbledore has the elder wand in the harry potter moves, we can safely say he got it after he kill Grindy
@@xexeed1356 That depends on if you are referencing the Books, or the movie. In the movie, Voldy goes to the prison where Grindy is locked up, and Grindy tells him that "it's with HIM", meaning, with Dumbledore, in his grave.
For the lamp one, The Firefly was hitting the side of the lamp while newt was walking. Probably hurting the firefly. It either died or was just hurt a little too much. Thesues's firefly was hanging from something, and not being hit.
This movie was a mess. The plot is the same as the Rick and Morty Heist episode. The deer should have bowed in front of Jacob. That would have redeemed the movie slightly. The dancing scorpion scene lasted 10mins too long and could have I guess just used lumos spell. Dumbledore definitely murdered one of them deers like Grindy did. Explaining why he has future sight. The wizard king president title doesn’t make sense. Dumbledore was even gave the same title and that gave him no political power. This is how you kill a franchise. If they continue to make the other 4 movies, I doubt it will be related to fantastic beasts.
Exactly so that further proves there’s no time travel and that she was actually born earlier than we knew because she of course would be a lot younger here unless of course she went back in time when she was that age
@@saeculius7736 I’m not certain about that. But in the scene on the train they specify that their plan has to seem random because they’re doing counter future sight or something similar.
Jacob actually explained how the cases worked. It was just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. A simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
voldemort didn't use Cruciatos on Harry in the graveyard[1], though, that was just the effect of the scar it always stung when voldemort was close, and that was the first time they touched [1] during the resurrection scene, not until the duel after
@@ScreenRant He did use it on him. While Harry was on the ground after he forced him to bow to him. Which was another error in those movies because Harry had resisted the imperious curse that Voldemort used on him before.
Just saw movie. ScreenRant and Wikipedia both say this movie takes place in 1932. However around the 26 minutes to 26 minutes and 15 seconds mark Lolly states a little over a year ago Jacob applied for a bank loan from. 6 blocks away where he met Newt and Queenie. Making it early late 1927 or early 1928.
Like what? I bet I could fill them in for you asking you if you may be re-washed and give these movies of chance. I actually felt kinda same way when I saw Grindelwald but after Rewatching it so many times I don’t only understood it but I actually really enjoy it a lot almost more than the first one which is one of my top three favourite movies of all time :-)
The Qillan also brings up another plot hole for serious blacks imprisonment. 1. They have truth Syrem. (Snape is making the stuff in a high school, it should be easily mass produced for more important matters.) 2. They can view memories and walk around in them.) 3. Some people can read minds. 4. Qillan can just show if that person is good or not. (It is more important to use this ability in the criminal justice system, than some election.)
Remember this beast is quite rare and it’s quite possible that maybe they went extinct not long after this; I mean dinosaurs was pretty much happening to tigers and even possibly elephants etc. EH?
@@SuperMoviemaster21 but it would be highly protected if its used for political elections, and wizards would do what we do. Create safe areas that are highly protected where qillans can exist in a natural habitat, while the wizards introduce breeding programs to increase the population. Just think of newts briefcase in the middle of an important vault guarded by high level wizards that contains a complete biome that is designed for qillans. And we muggles had stuff like this back during the 20s so why wouldn't these 'superior' wizards have animals breeding programs and endangered animal protection laws.
@@aidanmullard8508 Well maybe it’s still remains to be seen something could’ve happened to it or they may be could’ve just changed the law from then on because of all the issues surrounding it EH?
@@SuperStarTidus18 and yet literally next to everybody agrees that this was much better than crimes of Grindelwald which supposedly had those same problems but worse. Not to mention that regardless of what most people think the first Pirates of the Caribbean curse of the Black Pearl also did this exact same thing but worse. This movie had way less exposition and was way less dialogue heavy than curse the Black Pearl which has three major scenes that really ruin the Pacing of the movie and explain stuff. There’s even people who actually like this approach the series if you can believe it. Also not to mention that they actually explain the exposition well enough that you don’t even have to know the box to understand at least pretty much all of it compared to Pirates worth says things like “the treasure of Cortez himself” who the heck is Cortez? The Movie acts like you have to already know that going in when how could you when there’s no book or anything that is directly based off of the will tell you [and no the ride is not contain that same lore]. So tell me, what’s the difference there?
@@SuperMoviemaster21 I didnt even read your reply. I dont care what your opinion is. I told you mine take it or leave it, but I am not here to debate mate.
I was just wondering if Dumbledore knew Bunty would have the right case and Bunty knew it too, wouldn't Grindelwald see that? Like, I feel Bunty totally knew the plan. Plot hole?
The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
It's almost as if this Supreme Sorcerer saw millions of possible outcomes and knew which one would work! Also, instead of getting identical cases made couldn't they all have carried a burlap sack that looked like it had something moving inside?
I guess they knew by then Newt was working for Dumbledore and he operates with a case so they decided to use cases. Although yeah, I guess enchanting other kinds of luggage would have worked too.
@@deemee009 No, it would not have worked because like you just said, they already know That Newt always carries a suitcase So any other kind of Luggage would obviously give it away That whoever was carrying it It’s not obviously carrying the real thing
The supreme mugwump had been a thing since HP... book 1 even I think. I thought AD was the supreme mugwump at some point so this movie doesnt make much sense
What happened in this movie is possibly set up for Dumbledore becoming that later on hence why It Bowed to him And further has it make no sense why people would be so upset towards it bowing towards him in the first place…… :-)
Remember it was never officially confirmed that she was born when people think that she is that was just What Fans speculated. It’s she is therefore confirmed have been born for this for the new information in the movie coming directly from the author/creator herself, and yet fans will not accept the fact that they made a mistake based on assumptions instead of looking at all information including new information that we truly know now therefore forming the true truth :-)
Well, I know for a fact the series was not a mistake or a plot hole. And I feel sorry that you feel this way towards it. The fact that I can relate to this world and its characters even more so than Harry Potter any regardless of the fact that these movies are just made with more passion and effort than the Harry Potter movies which says a lot because the David Yates Harry Potter movies In particular are some of the most cash Grabby Soulless Things that I have ever experienced, Only been made for efficiency and for them to make an easy paycheck. Here it actually seems like he let alone the rest of the crew a lot of Whom worked on his Harry Potter movies seem to have A lot more fun and therefore put a lot more effort into making these movies as if they actually want to be there and making them which again his Harry Potter movies just felt like they wanted to get this over and done with in the most efficient and lacklustre way possible Not truly being connected to the world that they are telling/portraying and just making it seem very generic and mediocreLy made. In these movies, you feel a lot of nuance and just a better sense of fun and connection to the world and characters going on. It’s kind of hard to explain and understand the words but if you go back and watch his Harry Potter movies compared to the fantastic beasts you’ll see what I mean. With these movies they are able to make it so that way even if it’s not directly using John Williams music for example all the time which they do do more here it just truly captures the feeling and natural Ness of being in the Wizarding world more. I also find a newt to be quite a relatable character to me; he has become one of my top favourite characters in all of fiction and also just relatable to me through his personality and nuance in the way that he does things and approach the world. If you truly know him and truly know these movies than you truly know me and vice versa if that makes any sense :-) we also get to see a lot of the Wizarding world we never going to see or even hear about in the box let alone answer a lot of backstory like Dumbledore and Grindelwald to play such a key part in the whole Harry Potter series and it just really Feels like the missing piece is coming in to conclude it and fill in the holes. This is all in a nutshell why I truly care about these movies And why they should not prematurely and and have them be filled to the way that they truly were intended and also true we overall deserve foresee a lot of other people who really like to have grown to really like these movies almost or just as much as I do or even better in some ways :-)
Well I and quite a few others enjoyed it a lot with quite a few kind of the best of the fantastic beasts and one of the best of the whole Wizarding world franchise; there’s even some consider to be the best and better than all the harry potter movies :-) It was not filler at all I actually truly brought the franchise back on focus with the fantastic beasts and did push Grindelwald and the whole Wizarding world discovery about him forward it’s much in the same vein as how order of the Phoenix push things forward when most of the Wizarding world and believe that he was back; if you call disability might as well call order of the Phoenix filler as well EH?
Yeah just like with Queenie and Jacob I wish they hadn’t interjected their sexual preferences and made it no longer kid friendly. And the wedding pushes it way too far I mean I don’t need to know about their sexual desires, you know what I mean?
And it’s not like literally every other movie or TV show in jacks those kinds of things in their characters because they are human and have Those kinds of feelings right? Oh wait, and what kind of creature may I ask is actually consuming all these movies? Humans! So I guess we should just make these characters completely not relatable and therefore not being able to have a connection or familiarity or believability to an audience huh? Is that what you’re saying here?
Do you think they're going to fix these plot holes in the next movie?
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and i'm first like
Hopefully there won’t be a next movie.
Probably not. I think that we are going to get more fan service whether we want it or not, 😏
Time turners don't work like that you can't go that far back in time it's a built in rule. The only way McGonagall could be there is if she was already born and that old.. maybe at some point she got put into a snow white coma by spell or beast and was awoke years later unaged and just kept teaching.
Dumbledore doesn't know the future, he knows the screenwriter.
That would take a lot of twists on a time turner 😂
Dumbledore has always been manipulative.
The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
I think the last straw for Queenie was Grindelwald killing the qillin, and that's why she started lying. Other than that, I can't explain these.
Yeah I agree. I also thought maybe after 5 years with Grindelwald she was convinced he's terrible, and then saw Dumbledore's entire plan in Yusuf's mind including the team up with Jacob, so she wanted to help them. Does that make sense?
@@deemee009 i think it dows
@@deemee009 that doesn't explain why she joined in the first place.
What she wanted to be with Jacob, so join up with the guy who hates muggles smart. And she can't be tricked she can read minds.
@@aidanmullard8508 True
@@aidanmullard8508 She joined up with him to give wizards the opportunity to bypass the laws which are preventing her from being with Jacob. Also remember that Grindelwald very shady character that he can often change his mind a perception overtime which again is partly why she change sides As after all in the first movie he says that he doesn’t hate Muggles per se he just sees them as a threat he basically destroys the weather is deemed a threat to them with his big main goal being freedom which is what Queenie truly desired. But again after time she came to slowly realize that even if being somewhat aware of his true intentions that this is not worth it getting what she wants and she probably saw through Jacob everyone standing up to him that there are other ways of getting what she truly wants and changing the rules and not having to resort to whst Grindelwald has in mind
With the Queenie Yusuf thing, I think there's a deleted scene where Dumbledore implants a memory of his sister into Yusuf. This is the pain about his sister that gets removed. I think this was all planned so they would trust him and leave Yusuf free to spy.
@@averageanimenjoyer - Because it ruins the twist. Especially, since several of the characters know he is spying on Grindelwald anyway.
I mean it was pretty clear Queenie was lying because she was already having doubts after she saw grindelwald kill the Qilin and she also stated to Credence that she doesn't tell grindelwald everything right before Kama got there.
In the planning scene in the train Yusuf says that he already has with him what he needs. Dumbledore possibly took the memory out of him and put it into a phial and replaced it with a different, fake one. He may have the phial with him or the original memory may be safe in Dumbledore 's pensive. I think this was in the original screenplay by J. K. and it ended up being just hinted at in the final script when the movie plot got simplified.
I was upset about Depp, but damn. I love Madds and he KILLED it. Idk if Johnny would have been able to do much better
Jacob being at Hogwarts, a place under heavy Muggle repelling wards.
And, although not a plot hole, Dumbledore should have defeated Grindelwald during the summit. Sure they postponed it to a future film to be greedy, but how are they going to thematically cap a fight ending in front of the *entire* wizarding world, that would earn him the reputation that people attribute to him.
Well, how did morning myrtles parents come to Hogwarts to pick her up EH?
Not a plot hole, in the slightest.
Dude filch is a squib so no magical ability the only thing blocking muggles is their ability to see hogwarts from the outside
Honestly, the whole Fantastic Beast franchise is a plot hole.
The fact that I can relate to this world and its characters even more so than Harry Potter any regardless of the fact that these movies are just made with more passion and effort than the Harry Potter movies which says a lot because the David Yates Harry Potter movies In particular are some of the most cash Grabby Soulless Things that I have ever experienced, Only been made for efficiency and for them to make an easy paycheck. Here it actually seems like he let alone the rest of the crew a lot of Whom worked on his Harry Potter movies seem to have A lot more fun and therefore put a lot more effort into making these movies as if they actually want to be there and making them which again his Harry Potter movies just felt like they wanted to get this over and done with in the most efficient and lacklustre way possible Not truly being connected to the world that they are telling/portraying and just making it seem very generic and mediocreLy made. In these movies, you feel a lot of nuance and just a better sense of fun and connection to the world and characters going on. It’s kind of hard to explain and understand the words but if you go back and watch his Harry Potter movies compared to the fantastic beasts you’ll see what I mean. With these movies they are able to make it so that way even if it’s not directly using John Williams music for example all the time which they do do more here it just truly captures the feeling and natural Ness of being in the Wizarding world more.
I also find a newt to be quite a relatable character to me; he has become one of my top favourite characters in all of fiction and also just relatable to me through his personality and nuance in the way that he does things and approach the world. If you truly know him and truly know these movies than you truly know me and vice versa if that makes any sense :-) we also get to see a lot of the Wizarding world we never going to see or even hear about in the box let alone answer a lot of backstory like Dumbledore and Grindelwald to play such a key part in the whole Harry Potter series and it just really Feels like the missing piece is coming in to conclude it and fill in the holes.
This is all in a nutshell why I truly care about these movies And why they should not prematurely and and have them be filled to the way that they truly were intended and also true we overall deserve foresee a lot of other people who really like to have grown to really like these movies almost or just as much as I do or even better in some ways :-)
A wizard prison way way worse than Azkaban, where even the guards are horrifically slaughtered, but allows in visitors without identification.
And that is a plot hole/mistake because?
The lack of identification can easily to coughed up, to the guard thinking this random dweeb would get eaten. How many people know how to calm manticores down anyway?
Yeah the McGonagall one made me roll my eyes both in the previous and this film. With Bunty's case...I'm not sure why she needed to make the cases from an actual shop. If they used the Room of Requirement, the Room's supposed to provide all your needs, so it should have provided the cases for them. Also why was GG able to be witch like that? Not even Voldermort could bewitch a dead animal to make it pretend to be alive. Nor have t here been any indication that there's magic of that level in the books.
um, what? there is literally a spell called inferius that reanimates corpses and forces them to do the will of the wizard
those are what Dumbledore and Harry Potter fight when they're retrieving the Lockett
so yes, voldemort actually DID do exactly this
I mean, if you can turn a table into a living pig, then why cant you make a corpse act alive?
@@Basch152 i'd argue the inferi isn't the same as what GG did
@@thecunninlynguist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean I'd argue the only difference was they were much more corpse like, and that could easily be explained by the fact that they were dead for decades when Dumbledore and Harry encountered them, while the cillen in fantastic beasts was only dead for days
Well I guess they're just showcasing new magic to keep it interesting.
It could be that you can only stop the effects of the Cruciatus while the caster of the curse is distracted. Plus with the Longbottoms they probably had their wands taken away so they couldn’t have protected each other even if it were possible to do so.
Finite Incantatum stops most active spells. but what's stopping a person from simply recasting their spell?
Why are you complaining about Nagini? She never should have been included to begin with. Also, Tina is just a love interest. She is not an important character and the USA was isolationist in the 1930s.
The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
Dumbledore’ s age is also a plot hole because Dumbledore is supposed to at least 150 years old in the HP films in 1990s but in this movie it’s the 1920s and he’s about late 30s maybe mid 40s in age. That would mean he would only be in his mid 80s in HP
Queenie had seen the murder of the Qilin and was against Grindelwald when Yousef got there. She had also told Credence that she hid things from Grindelwald.
Dumbledore was Supreme Mugwump, and he was pretty darn involved in fighting Voldemort. If anything, the plot hole is that he claimed that he refused every position of power for the rest of his life, yet the books state that he held that position.
I could’ve sworn Bunty asked for half a dozen brief cases to be made. Where did the other two end up?
She definitely did, but there were only five in the Room of Requirement. I kinda thought that was going to be a big reveal at the end, but nope!
@@DrFranklynAnderson I thought Tina would show up with one or something to be a big reveal, or Dumbledore would have the real one. Maybe they just wanted extras to help confuse Grindelwald about potentially more cases?
I was wondering the same...was only 5 in the room of requirement. Amd she asked for a half dozen, plus she had the original with her....so 7 total.
So Bunty could post it on ebay 🤭
Nagini appears in FB2 because people want to know what her 'origin' story is. The snake was a woman.
That's done in FB2 so we dont need to talk about her again in FB3.
People ask why again Nagini didn't appear in FB3 now so she will reappear in FB4 to let you know actually she was doing something important and we cant show you in FB3, but because she does something so we have something to see now in FB4.
JoKe writing in a nutshell.
To be fair maybe Nagini lost her human form and turned into a snake forever. But yeah too many plotholes in this franchise. The biggest is why Jacob didn't shot Grindelwald
I think the Fantastic Beasts films are in the same continuity as the Movies. So the continuity isn’t that strict. That means Minerva could be there and some of the other things could be explained that way.
literal a wizard did it
How could Minerva be there when on pottermore her bio showed she wasn’t born during the time until way after. If jk address this plot hole to explain how then I can understand but until then she’s not supposed to be there.
@@portiag7915 That is the nice thing. Pottermore is an extension of the books. The movies created their own canon. So in the end it fits. At least when you look on the movies as a separate thing.
Pottermore doesn’t exactly ignore the movies though, and it’s while certain things from the books went unsaid/unfilmed or were changed to be better for the screen, it’s not like they messed with people’s ages or important laws/dates or any of the hard facts like that. The first eight movies are surprisingly faithful to the books and pottermore includes both as canon.
Not to mention, if the movies happen in a different universe where mcgonagall was be born at a minimum 26 years earlier than usual (8 years back from actual birth + 18 when graduating hogwarts) not including the two years she canonically spent working at the ministry before starting at hogwarts, that makes her nearly 90 years old by the end of the series and also means she would have taught Voldemort (and would likely be one of very few people who knew him as Tom riddle), but during Harry’s flashback in chamber of secrets dumbledore is the transfiguration teacher because professor dippet is still headmaster, meaning mcgonagall would have had to be teaching something else, but we know it wasn’t potions, divination, or defense against the dark arts because those teachers are all mentioned by name or appearance in the movies meaning that she would’ve had to teach magical creatures, charms, or herbology because none of the other classes except muggle studies are brought up at all in the movies, none of which seem like a thing she would do, and we end up with a totally different mcgonagall by the end of it all.
TL;DR, she literally cannot be alive if she’s even remotely the same character as the one in the original movies, and the fantastic series is booty cheeks when it comes to continuity
@@peterludwig4599 very true there are countless plot holes if you rope these movies into the books.
Hell, their going to the room of requirement to travel in this movie is a plot hole.
In the fourth book, Dumbledore mentions that he doesn’t know all the secrets of Hogwarts. He was wandering the halls having to go to the bathroom and stumbled upon one when he needed it. The next day he went he found that it was gone and couldn’t find it since.
Thus, he literally did not know about the room of requirement until the fifth book with the incident of the DA and couldn’t have known about it in this movie.
Ignore the books for these movies people
Dumbledore is using a time turner 💥
Last one ain't surprising. It's typical in world politics.
If Voldy became the ruler of all UK they will just start corresponding with him instead of the Minister of Magic and the Muggle PM. That's what happens in civil wars.
The woman who plays Nagini, (Claudia Kim,) became pregnant before filming of Secrets of Dumbledore began. That is why you don't see Nagini. I guess that Warner Brothers didn't want to add another recast to the list of things to do.
Yeah I was wondering where she was lol
I really wish these were books. I totally wonder how JKR would have written the story without all the backstage drama
@@deemee009 I totally agree with you. These stories would make up for The Cursed Child novel fiasco.
Alison Sudol was pregnant too. Nagini was removed, because she never should have been in this series.
I don't mind the young McGonagall thing in Harry Potter's time she's really old so it would assume that her being young in fantastic beasts is probably a good thing that way it would I guess make sense by the time we see her in Harry Potter.
How old is really old?? If she was born in the 30s then when we see her in the potter films she’s well into her 60s, which definitely feels old enough for Maggie smith. Meanwhile if these movies are accurate she would had had to be born in 1891 (we first seen her at Hogwarts in Newts 1st year in 1910-2 years at the ministry-17 years of childhood= 1891) which would mean when we first see her at Hogwarts in sorcerers stone she is 100 years old. Call me crazy but Maggie Smith doesn’t look like she’s 100 in those movies.
@@J_Dane that has never been a thing.. they always expressly say in the books that Dumbledore is exceptional in the fact he is as old as he is and give much credit to his practice as an alchemist
@@J_Dane if you want to learn more about it there’s an article on pottermore about it expressing that Wizard life expectancy was at its highest at 135 years.
I don't understand how they got married at the end of the movie...they were getting married in the USA...Jacob is still a muggle...there was no mention that the laws in the USA were changed...it was such a big side plot in the past two movies just for it to be overlooked in this one.
There was a law that muggles couldn't marry witches?
JK Rowling uses "pure" and "wise" woman/creature characters that very conveniently warp the plot to meet its ending. Luna is too obvious in Harry Potter. So are Queenie and Qirin. For which, I, as a fan, get disappointed from the point of crafting efforts.
I've never seen anything lazier in a movie, than Grindelwald using Vulnera Sanentur on the dead Qilin.
1- Vulnera Sanentur is the countercurse to Sectumsempra
2- Both curse and countercurse were only invented some 40 years later by Severus Snape
3- Something tells me that a spell that literally translates to "wounds will heal" might not be effective on a freaking dead creature, especially in a universe where it is made very clear that magic cannot resuscitate the dead and this is one of the main parts of the entire message of the saga
4- what Grindelwald does is clearly turn the Qilin into an Inferius, which we don't know how to do/what kind of dark ritual does it involve, but damn, screenwriters, couldn't you make something up? Not even a dammit dedicated verbal spell?? Really??!
I think ppl around the world just thought oh those British lads are at it again and forgot about it. Lol.
Note that Albus has access to the book, The Predictions of Tychus Dodonus. He also could get information from Hogwarts’ portraits and house elves.
Minerva is obviously not the same person in the HP movies. JK isn’t a moron.
Remember, she was never ever confirmed to be born when people think that she is the new details we didn’t know about and because wizards can live longer than regular people EH?
Do my eyes deceive me, or does Grindy have the "Elder Wand" at one point in this video? Every time that I see a clip, and it's at a certain point, it certainly LOOKS like the "Elder Wand".....
You're not wrong. He has the elder wand and given the fact that he's dead and Dumbledore has the elder wand in the harry potter moves, we can safely say he got it after he kill Grindy
@@xexeed1356 That depends on if you are referencing the Books, or the movie. In the movie, Voldy goes to the prison where Grindy is locked up, and Grindy tells him that "it's with HIM", meaning, with Dumbledore, in his grave.
Sorry I'm lost. What is this film? Who is Harry potter? What is the franchisee you speak of?
Pure of heart, so you pick up ...
Mjollnir ?
I cant wait for Producer guy to buy canada
For the lamp one, The Firefly was hitting the side of the lamp while newt was walking. Probably hurting the firefly. It either died or was just hurt a little too much. Thesues's firefly was hanging from something, and not being hit.
Also I doubt the number of fireflies in both lamps are the same since Newt was there to visit while he's brother was a prisoner
wow how ami this early? also great video, keep it up
it was hard to find bits of the movie that werent mistakes ....
This movie was a mess. The plot is the same as the Rick and Morty Heist episode. The deer should have bowed in front of Jacob. That would have redeemed the movie slightly. The dancing scorpion scene lasted 10mins too long and could have I guess just used lumos spell. Dumbledore definitely murdered one of them deers like Grindy did. Explaining why he has future sight. The wizard king president title doesn’t make sense. Dumbledore was even gave the same title and that gave him no political power.
This is how you kill a franchise. If they continue to make the other 4 movies, I doubt it will be related to fantastic beasts.
Deer could not bow to a non-wizard. It should have bow to Newt. Heart of an austist miss a piece but it can still be very pure. Jesus was an autist
if Minerva went back in time her appearance wouldn't have changed.
Exactly so that further proves there’s no time travel and that she was actually born earlier than we knew because she of course would be a lot younger here unless of course she went back in time when she was that age
Wasn't it explained that Dumbledore used the second Qilin to see the future as well as Grindlewald?
I thought that you had to kill the Qilin to get those powers.
@@saeculius7736 I’m not certain about that. But in the scene on the train they specify that their plan has to seem random because they’re doing counter future sight or something similar.
I think Grindlewald can see the future without the Qilin, as established in the previous film
Jacob actually explained how the cases worked. It was just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. A simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
voldemort didn't use Cruciatos on Harry in the graveyard[1], though, that was just the effect of the scar
it always stung when voldemort was close, and that was the first time they touched
[1] during the resurrection scene, not until the duel after
No, voldemort forces harry to bow (using magic), pushes him to the ground then crucius him
@@jefgir that was only in the fight later, not during their initial meeting where he taunts Harry, bound by the statue
@@AyakaruJuuhachi Ok...so?
The movie was not very clear on what happened during that scene. The book does state that Voldemort castes the Cruciatus curse on Harry though
@@ScreenRant He did use it on him. While Harry was on the ground after he forced him to bow to him. Which was another error in those movies because Harry had resisted the imperious curse that Voldemort used on him before.
Which seems strange in that Crucio has always been a concentration spell
Just saw movie. ScreenRant and Wikipedia both say this movie takes place in 1932. However around the 26 minutes to 26 minutes and 15 seconds mark Lolly states a little over a year ago Jacob applied for a bank loan from. 6 blocks away where he met Newt and Queenie. Making it early late 1927 or early 1928.
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I can think of way more than ten plot holes and mistakes in the Fantastic Beasts movies
Like what? I bet I could fill them in for you asking you if you may be re-washed and give these movies of chance. I actually felt kinda same way when I saw Grindelwald but after Rewatching it so many times I don’t only understood it but I actually really enjoy it a lot almost more than the first one which is one of my top three favourite movies of all time :-)
Dumbledore stopped Voldermorts killing curse.
He blocked it by levitating statues in the Ministry. That's different.
@@professorx3060 Well Professor, that would still count towards “Stopping“ EH?
but honestly I enjoy secrets of dumbledore more than crimes of grindelwald..
Pretty sure the title of this video is missing a third digit somewhere.
I'm pretty sure Dumbledore can see the future or something like it
The last one is amazing.
Dumbledore is a seer for sure same thing in Harry Potter bro knew the future
Too many plots in one movie. Max would be three.
The Qillan also brings up another plot hole for serious blacks imprisonment.
1. They have truth Syrem. (Snape is making the stuff in a high school, it should be easily mass produced for more important matters.)
2. They can view memories and walk around in them.)
3. Some people can read minds.
4. Qillan can just show if that person is good or not. (It is more important to use this ability in the criminal justice system, than some election.)
Remember this beast is quite rare and it’s quite possible that maybe they went extinct not long after this; I mean dinosaurs was pretty much happening to tigers and even possibly elephants etc. EH?
@@SuperMoviemaster21 but it would be highly protected if its used for political elections, and wizards would do what we do. Create safe areas that are highly protected where qillans can exist in a natural habitat, while the wizards introduce breeding programs to increase the population. Just think of newts briefcase in the middle of an important vault guarded by high level wizards that contains a complete biome that is designed for qillans.
And we muggles had stuff like this back during the 20s so why wouldn't these 'superior' wizards have animals breeding programs and endangered animal protection laws.
@@aidanmullard8508 Well maybe it’s still remains to be seen something could’ve happened to it or they may be could’ve just changed the law from then on because of all the issues surrounding it EH?
Sirius Black was sentenced to Azkaban without a trial. That was the entire point. The Aurors just arrested him and threw away the key.
These films are terrible and I havent even bothered with the newest one and I'm a huge Harry Potter fan
Just sounds like u complaining cus it didn’t go the way you wanted
This movie was an audiobook
EWhat’s that supposed to mean?
@@SuperMoviemaster21 lots of lore/story dump through boring dialogue. It broke the number one rule in cinema, show don’t tell.
@@SuperStarTidus18 and yet literally next to everybody agrees that this was much better than crimes of Grindelwald which supposedly had those same problems but worse. Not to mention that regardless of what most people think the first Pirates of the Caribbean curse of the Black Pearl also did this exact same thing but worse. This movie had way less exposition and was way less dialogue heavy than curse the Black Pearl which has three major scenes that really ruin the Pacing of the movie and explain stuff. There’s even people who actually like this approach the series if you can believe it. Also not to mention that they actually explain the exposition well enough that you don’t even have to know the box to understand at least pretty much all of it compared to Pirates worth says things like “the treasure of Cortez himself” who the heck is Cortez? The Movie acts like you have to already know that going in when how could you when there’s no book or anything that is directly based off of the will tell you [and no the ride is not contain that same lore]. So tell me, what’s the difference there?
@@SuperMoviemaster21 I didnt even read your reply. I dont care what your opinion is. I told you mine take it or leave it, but I am not here to debate mate.
These movies are terrible and the only saving grace was Johnny depp….
There's a huge plot hole if you watch it in China.
I was just wondering if Dumbledore knew Bunty would have the right case and Bunty knew it too, wouldn't Grindelwald see that? Like, I feel Bunty totally knew the plan. Plot hole?
No Why would it be?
The cases were just a 3-card monte and each character was manipulated to pick specific case. It is a simple muggle magic trick. Dumbledore told Jacob which case not to take. Which then caused Newt to take the case that was triggered to melt, because he thought it was real. In turn, Theseus and Lally just took the cases closest to them, which implied they knew theirs were decoys. Basically, everyone thought Newt had the real case.
Mistake #1 : Replacing Johnny Depp
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Hot take. The 2nd movie was amazing
1st mistake they made was firing Johnny Depp . I wont watch anymore of them
It's almost as if this Supreme Sorcerer saw millions of possible outcomes and knew which one would work!
Also, instead of getting identical cases made couldn't they all have carried a burlap sack that looked like it had something moving inside?
I guess they knew by then Newt was working for Dumbledore and he operates with a case so they decided to use cases. Although yeah, I guess enchanting other kinds of luggage would have worked too.
@@deemee009 No, it would not have worked because like you just said, they already know That Newt always carries a suitcase So any other kind of Luggage would obviously give it away That whoever was carrying it It’s not obviously carrying the real thing
The supreme mugwump had been a thing since HP... book 1 even I think. I thought AD was the supreme mugwump at some point so this movie doesnt make much sense
What happened in this movie is possibly set up for Dumbledore becoming that later on hence why It Bowed to him And further has it make no sense why people would be so upset towards it bowing towards him in the first place…… :-)
Can you stop please?
This whole movie was a mistake.
But How so? Especially when a lot of people consider that it set the franchise back on track
maybe the minerva we know is named afer a relative who was also a hogwarts teacher ?
Nope the credits show that is Minerva. Jk said that’s her
Remember it was never officially confirmed that she was born when people think that she is that was just What Fans speculated. It’s she is therefore confirmed have been born for this for the new information in the movie coming directly from the author/creator herself, and yet fans will not accept the fact that they made a mistake based on assumptions instead of looking at all information including new information that we truly know now therefore forming the true truth :-)
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This whole series was a mistake and plot hole. I’m glad it tanked worse than Morbius. No more cash for bigot Rowling is a good thing.
Well, I know for a fact the series was not a mistake or a plot hole. And I feel sorry that you feel this way towards it.
The fact that I can relate to this world and its characters even more so than Harry Potter any regardless of the fact that these movies are just made with more passion and effort than the Harry Potter movies which says a lot because the David Yates Harry Potter movies In particular are some of the most cash Grabby Soulless Things that I have ever experienced, Only been made for efficiency and for them to make an easy paycheck. Here it actually seems like he let alone the rest of the crew a lot of Whom worked on his Harry Potter movies seem to have A lot more fun and therefore put a lot more effort into making these movies as if they actually want to be there and making them which again his Harry Potter movies just felt like they wanted to get this over and done with in the most efficient and lacklustre way possible Not truly being connected to the world that they are telling/portraying and just making it seem very generic and mediocreLy made. In these movies, you feel a lot of nuance and just a better sense of fun and connection to the world and characters going on. It’s kind of hard to explain and understand the words but if you go back and watch his Harry Potter movies compared to the fantastic beasts you’ll see what I mean. With these movies they are able to make it so that way even if it’s not directly using John Williams music for example all the time which they do do more here it just truly captures the feeling and natural Ness of being in the Wizarding world more.
I also find a newt to be quite a relatable character to me; he has become one of my top favourite characters in all of fiction and also just relatable to me through his personality and nuance in the way that he does things and approach the world. If you truly know him and truly know these movies than you truly know me and vice versa if that makes any sense :-) we also get to see a lot of the Wizarding world we never going to see or even hear about in the box let alone answer a lot of backstory like Dumbledore and Grindelwald to play such a key part in the whole Harry Potter series and it just really Feels like the missing piece is coming in to conclude it and fill in the holes.
This is all in a nutshell why I truly care about these movies And why they should not prematurely and and have them be filled to the way that they truly were intended and also true we overall deserve foresee a lot of other people who really like to have grown to really like these movies almost or just as much as I do or even better in some ways :-)
I don't understand how anyone could have enjoyed this film, it was all filler...
Well I and quite a few others enjoyed it a lot with quite a few kind of the best of the fantastic beasts and one of the best of the whole Wizarding world franchise; there’s even some consider to be the best and better than all the harry potter movies :-) It was not filler at all I actually truly brought the franchise back on focus with the fantastic beasts and did push Grindelwald and the whole Wizarding world discovery about him forward it’s much in the same vein as how order of the Phoenix push things forward when most of the Wizarding world and believe that he was back; if you call disability might as well call order of the Phoenix filler as well EH?
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Warner bros is a terrible studio and need to have the Harry Potter franchise taken away from them.
When they just had to interject his sexual preferences they lost a huge bunch of people..tmi and nmb
Yeah just like with Queenie and Jacob I wish they hadn’t interjected their sexual preferences and made it no longer kid friendly. And the wedding pushes it way too far I mean I don’t need to know about their sexual desires, you know what I mean?
And it’s not like literally every other movie or TV show in jacks those kinds of things in their characters because they are human and have Those kinds of feelings right? Oh wait, and what kind of creature may I ask is actually consuming all these movies? Humans! So I guess we should just make these characters completely not relatable and therefore not being able to have a connection or familiarity or believability to an audience huh? Is that what you’re saying here?
People actually watched this trash fire of a movie?? Lmfao 😂
wow, so edgy
@@jefgir Not trying to be edgy.
@@jefgir You mad I called this movie trash??
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