Turbo Commander - Start Up Procedures & Takeoff
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2017
- The start procedure for the Turbo Commander 690B, followed by taxi and takeoff.
My apologies for some pretty poor word usage during this video. Words have meaning, especially in aviation and there is no real excuse for this. There is only one rudder on the 690B, not sure why I kept using the plural. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
One of the rarer Commanders! Its extremely hard to find one with the factory optional sound loudner installed.
My company had a 690 for about 5 years. killer performer and it took us all over the country and Western Canada flawlessly. Initial Climb rate on a nice cold day 4000 fpm. 2500 fpm up till 15,000 ft. 265 kts cruise. Love this solid plane
Heck yeah, and you shut an engine down in flight and the plane barely notices it
All these comments are so ridiculously critical. Hey, man thanks for making a cool video. Good job.
The dogs bark and the caravan moves on
@@thedolt3367 Yep but myself I prefer feral kittens as the are adept at Rat Trapping but do not attack unless you try to feed them by hand
There was always something about Aero Commanders and Mitsubishi MU2’s I just loved.
I love the MU 2's
This makes me really appreciate just how quiet the King Air 350i is on the inside, been lucky enough to have been in one of them.
Tell me about it. It’s almost jet like in comparison to these old noisy birds.
That plane is fast
@@aviationdude9546 how fast is a turbo commander? How fast does it cruise at?
What can I say? The Turbo Commander 690B is a challenging aircraft that you have mastered. Good Job. (Thumbs Up!)
flew a 690B or AC6T for a while. Amazing airplane. Would love to go back in time and fly it again.
Just saw this video and read a few of the comments. Gee, it seems like most of these folks are my kind of people. There's something special about the sounds and smells of our recent past that many will never know. And... such a great sound from those Garretts!!
This bad boy knows what he’s doing. Good vid
Wow those glare shields are really effective! I couldn’t see clouds through the front screen... but very obvious through the shield!
700hrs in a 980 in early 80’s based Houston. Fine performer with just a few quirks. Thx for the video...
How fast does the Turbo Commander cruise at?
I love this plane!
The taxiway seems to take you all the way into town ;-)
Actually we joke about that all the time, departing RW30, in order to get to Tucson from Safford you actually have to taxi 15 minutes east so that you can then fly west for 30 minutes. Same thing when we leave Tucson on RW29, by the time we get to the end of the runway we should have just kept taxied all the way back to Safford.
beautiful airplane. not sure why I've only known about this now thanks to YT recommendations. subscribed.
My father had one of these back in the 70s. A pilot’s aeroplane. Was fabulous to fly and be flown.
Wow that thing is LOUD.
Great video, thanx for sharing
Man that thing has some get-up-and-go at least when not fully loaded! I'm a humble Piper Arrow / Cessna 206 pilot and not current on even those, would love to master a thing as complex and powerful as the TC. Maybe one day...
It is just an airplane, don't underestimate your ability
Always liked the Aero Commander's Ram's Horn control yokes.
Used to see these a lot but not too much any more. Always liked the Commanders, both piston powered and the turboprops. I didn't know that they were that noisy on the inside.
Favourite GA airplane, I've flown in it a couple times
My Dad worked for Aero Commander taking the job in 1963 dragging his family from SD CA to Bethany OK (okc) until his death in 1972. He was a Draftsman. One evening in 66 he took me & my Sister to the plant where there the Jet Commander Arthur Godfrey flew around the world setting a record, was parked. I probably was the Only kid who knew what a Wemac was. I remember going to Turkey hunts & Bingo at drive-in theaters hosted by Aero Commander. Good times
I Drove through Safford last week on my way to Dallas. You guys are really out in the middle of Nowhere ! Great video, Sucky steering !
i love how loud this plane is!
Nice Video Tim... I hate taking a plane for its first flight after maintenance - one thing I always do.... I always look and see if the control surfaces match what I am inputting with the yoke... I have seen things get backwards and everything looks fine in the cockpit but crazy crap is happening at the ailerons...
Great video! Love it and thanks! Can you please let us know what setup you have for audio recording? If you don’t mind maybe even providing a link. Thank you!
Love the commander, great video
I should have mentioned what things do you need to check for if buying one?
I have lusted after these aircraft my entire life from afar and this video has absolutely destroyed my desire to EVER own one. OMG- insane level of noise!!
When you put the headphones on, does it go so quiet and smooth as it's heard in the video?
What watch are you wearing here?
My very first flight ever was a maintenance flight in an Aero Commander while I was doing work experience at a maintenance facility whilst in school.
One of the noisiest turbo props I've ever fueled and handled.
Only one worse is a Metroliner.
Or maybe an MU-2
John Walters hi noisiest on ground of flying PIAGIO AVENTO II, quiet inside, though, cheers From NJ. USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
John Walters definitely the mu-2. We have a few here in Texas in Fort Worth and I live about 8 miles from there location. You can hear the hum all night
The MU-2 is right up there with the noise.
The nose wheel steering at taxi speeds is just controlled by toe brakes. Easy and not a problem once
you learn it.
i love Turbo Commander
is this Show low, could hear your call to the Unicom freq
Haha loved that intro song, brought back a loooot of memories
Good video. Good info. Thanks.
So do all TC's have -Engrish-English yokes?
What is the reason of huge diffrend sound level of the plane. I think basic design and engine maker just same. Thank you.
Can i pilot the turbo commander with ppl licence ?
Back in the day there were dozens of these doing cancelled check runs all over the southeast, and midwest. Man those were the days my friends.....To the pilot who returned to buzz the field on my last day.....thanks man. You could have lost your ticket for that stunt. But yeah.....they still talk about it at Brooksville.
Good video good aircraft
Dear sir, excellent video.. What are the prop, throttle and mixture settings for cruize? And what are the setting if you need to climb on cruize..
At cruise we usually set the engines for 300lbs/hr fuel burn per side. This will normally equate to about 500HP per engine at 98% RPM. Performance on these setting is usually 200 knots indicated.
Thank you for the feedback
There's no mixture on a turbine. The fuel is either off or on and the systems deal with metering. Mixture controls are a thing of the 1930s and it is ridiculous that aircraft built after the 60s still have them. Even more ridiculous that aircraft are being built with mixture controls today. The only place I have seen a mixture control outside of aircraft was on 1940s Matchless and BSA motorcycles.
En Argentina andaba un aerocimmander con un faro sobre la punta de la nariz,hablo de finales de los años 70`s.Qué versión seria?
in the 90s we bring 2 tons from cundinamarca and 2 ladys
Aero Commander ?
Great video
Isso eu faço de olhos fechados. Sou piloto a 30 anos.🇧🇷
. So far the 331 engines are my favorite, they are loud for a reason, they seem more powerful and economical than the pt6. They don't seem very loud inflight though.
The noise has nothing to do with power. lol. The compressor is wide open to the atmosphere and it idles way faster than a pt6.
When I worked in ops at the local airport we used to have a Turbo Commander come in for fuel every now & then. Even at ground idle those damn Garretts were screaming.
Isn't most of the noise generated from the propellers and not the engine (turbine/jet engine)??
Why not use your shoulder harnas ?
Approved Aircraft Inspection Program, AAIP went from 100 hours to 150.
Thanks for your video. I'm starting a search for my next airplane and I'm looking MU2 and Commanders. A lot of people says that the MU2 don't give to much trouble, but are very hard to fly and the Commanders are very problematic with maintenance, that they are very expensive. Can you help me?
Thanks from Brazil
The Commander is a solid plane performance wise and very easy to fly. Parts can be a little problematic as the aircraft is out of production. The TPE 331-5 is well supported and a fantastic engine.
Look at Cessna 441
I’d stay away from the MU-2.
I’d stay away from anything old and powered by Garretts. Look at a King Air 90 instead... just go back in years until it’s in your price range and make sure it has PT6s. It’s like the Cessna 172... lots of planes will be better in one or two aspects... but will always be worse in many others.
Mu2 better..build like a brick..supported like every Japanese cars...
Did I miss the check list or he did???
Bob Hoover would have had a blast with this Commander. 🙂
No shoulder harness?
Turbo Commanders are pretty loud, but MU-2 are louder to me...especially outside.
Hard to see why MU2 would be any louder or quietet. Same enginrs and configuration.
Maybe the sound bounces off the airframe differently.
What is the best Commander to buy?
The one you can afford to operate and maintain without being homeless and hungry. Me, I couldn't afford any of them unless using them for commercial purposes. I can only afford my Cessna 310 and still keep my house and girlfriend. The gf likes the plane though. But it seems she likes the pilot more, lucky for me. I'm just grateful that I get to do the things that make me happy in life. Not everyone is so lucky.
Fabulous! 😃
Controls free, how do you know they are correct? You didn't verify the aileron, rudder or elevator movement.
Ted Smith was a great designer. North American (Rockwell) was a great company.
cyprixx , when they first made the AERO COMMANDER, they removed, one prop , put it in a crate, and flew it to Washington, when Eisenhower , was Prez, so to impress him with its performance, and IKE was also a pilot, and so he did purchase a few for government use
Flight controls free and correct? May be free but if you do not look out the window how do you know they are correct? The has been more than one fatal accident where they were not correct
good point, somewhere down the road I stopped looking yet I still say "correct", will start looking again when I say "correct"
6:54. That's what she said.
Nice video, Tim! Please, please, please wear your shoulder harnesses during takeoff and landing. They can be the difference between no injuries and death. If you recall the Bogota accident with the Kalitta 747 that crashed during takeoff? The FO forgot his crotch strap (That little 6" piece of webbing!) and ended up under the instrument panel, while the Captain sustained minor injuries.
Yes I completely agree, shoulder harnesses save lives, it was an oversight on my part. Thank you for that observation.
Can you use differential power taxiing crosswind ?
Yes sir! The rudder is massive and you really feel it in the peddles when the wind is strong.
@@FlyingWildAZ I remember getting a landing in a Shrike way back in the 80s.
Bloody lovely instrument platform but the real skill is taxiing from my perspective.
@@davidpearn5925 Yep you can always spot a new Turbo Commander driver by the herky jerky movements when they taxi, the ground steering system on the Commander is definitely unique and tough to master
Can you do it again ...could not hear anything
yes I have a new one with better audio and video that I will post next week, thanks for watching!
What is it like to fly this aircraft? Whats the range?
The 690B is a beast. Tons of power. You can climb away with one engine feathered and not even notice. We typically carry 1200lbs of fuel which will last you about two hours traveling some 225+ nautical miles per hou. She can carry over 2500lbs of fuel depending on the load out.
Tim Timmons ok thank you for answering
Been flying the 690B on Air Attack for the last three seasons. Great airplane, great video. To the lounge lizard wannabe pilots who are always ready to be critical, superior-get a life! I would fly with this guy anytime. He knows the airplane.
I didn't realize these aircraft were so loud inside. Yikes! Does everyone wear ear protection?
The Turbo Commander will makes your ears bleed, I think it ranks as one of the loudest turbo props out there.
I would have to agree...I work the ramp at my local FBO and these turbo commanders are as loud as the citations If not louder!!!
that's the fuel to noise generator that you are hearing
lolol!
You will not however that when the engine is at high RPM it becomes quieter.
great songs
Seat slides back on it's own wasn't that a cause of a few Cessna crashes pilot would take off and the seat would go sliding all the way back
Yep, there was a seat slide accident right at my home airport in a older 182 a few years back (fortunately without injury but the plane was badly damaged). I had the same issue on my R182, fortunately it has a secondary stop. I had the rails replaced and the seat locking mechanism adjusted, now it snaps right in and no more slippage. I'd have that fixed at earliest opportunity.
No flaps?
If this plane supported like MU 2, then I would chose this plane. It is a beautiful aircraft.
Putera Usman the MU2 does NOT HAVE AILERONS, they have SPOILERS, so until the FAA created a virtual TYPE certificate , all the nasty accidents stopped, and it became the SAFEST twin ., as to noise, in this I did not see the noise everyone was complaining,,but the MU2 on the ground was darn NOISY, in air different ., I knew someone with an MU2 Marquee.
Leighton Samms B52, A10, A4 All have spoilers instead of Ailerons and all are great planes. The mu2 accident is contribute to more in the high wing loading and Fowler flap it uses. Since 2008 there are only four hull lost accident involving mu2..thanks to type certificate introduce by FAA specially for MU2. Tube commander in the other had have a design flaw which if we are not careful can bite you like crack in the wing spar. But in all, both planes are great planes, I just wish that turbo commander have an after sales service like MU2 as it is known if commander get into the shop, it require more time and effort just to find the spare parts it needed.. oh both have the same engines btw, which is better than PT6.
@@flybyairplane3528 Yes, MU2 notorious for accidents. One last year in which a TV personality and her boyfriend disappeared over water.
cyprixx but did HE do the FAAs TYPE certificate training ? Usually anyone that has done so , and you will find that the MU2, became the SAFEST TWIN TURBO PROP in the sky ! Sorry about your friend.
why does pilots have to start the engines at first before turning avionics on and request to atc on every twin turboprop aircraft?
tombmaster972 they don’t want to drain the battery. They don’t normally have the convenience of a gpu or the use of an apu
@@augusteriksson9096 makes sense thank you :)
Also they dont want to subject the electronics to voltage spikes during the engine start process. You always turn your electronics on after starting and off before shutdown.
Lo vole en los 90's, Aerocomander 840 U10, de Holcin co.
I forgot how complex Garretts are... and how loud. I get spoiled in a new King Air 350i.
Where was this filmed?
Safford, Arizona
the best!
GAWD, those Garretts are loud!
These have impressive range… I wonder if you had the chance to stretch those legs?
I did have a chance to fly up to Las Vegas McCarren at 24,000ft.
You know it’s a great aircraft….because it has the same yoke as Concorde!
ah, just fingered out my confusion. commander 685 is piston, 690 is jet. I'm sitting here thinking hey my dads p210n just fired up like a corolla. What's all this start up work...cool anyway. pjd
Too bad we the head set cancelled the engine/prop sounds. Taking the con levers out of GI to full forward makes a beautiful sound. I do it before entering the runway. 840 and 900 time. Ted Smith aircraft are lovely. Next best thing is an Aerostar.
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nice pretty airplane...
this plane with twin motors needs opposite spins same as V-22 design...
what kind of digitalcamera video...
why video shake shake shake
Contra rotation twins is often quite complicated logistics wise, there are few aircraft where it makes sense.
For example, the P-38 required it to make it a stable gun platform, and it was relatively simple to accomplish because the Allison engines it used were designed from the outset to be easily reversable, and operate nearly identically in both CW and CCW. Most civilian engines arent designed with any of that in mind.
Similarly, the V-22 has a contra rotation requirement. In vertical flight, the cotrol surfaces are basically useless, and those massive blades are providing the entirety of the lift and control. The massive torque they generate if they spun the same way would cause the vehicle to yaw uncontrollably into a spin, and crash, much like a helicopter without a tail rotor (all twin helicopters like the Chinook require contra rotation for the same reason).
In fact, the V-22's propulsion system is insanely complex. The vehicle would be uncontrollable both in horizontal and vertical flight if propulsion is not provided to both props. So not only do its engines rotate for VTOL, they are also linked together through the wings, so one engine can drive both rotors.
In fact, it makes sense to not have contra rotation on a shrike. Pilots in training (such as aero commander pilots might be) SHOULD learn what it takes to fly a twin with a critical engine out, as a lot of twins dont have contra rotation for expense, complexity, reliability and logistics reasons.
As for the camera, he's probably using a gopro or some other action cam, not all of them have built in stabilization.
I have this plugged into a 4 speaker high fidelity sound system stereo
Big difference from your phone. 😆🤘
Tim, I tried signing up for your forum on your website- just wanted to let you know there's a decent ex-AZ government 690B (surveillance camera door) for sale on the Arizona public auction site right now... Needs some TLC but I thought you might be interested.
Thanks for the lead I will let the company know!
@@FlyingWildAZ cool! Here's the link:
m.publicsurplus.com/sms/arizona,az/auction/view?auc=2432992
I found used camera equipment for that opening in the floor, if you guys want to add photo reconnaissance to your portfolio 😉
After the engine start, I couldn't hear anything you said. You gave us 4:37 of noise. WHY DIDN'T YOU USE A MIC ON A HEADSET???
I was taucht to keep hand on throttles during take-off and initial climb......
I used to work for a freight company that operated Metroliners. Every time one would taxi nearby, people on the ramp would do the "Garrett Salute" (your left index finger goes in your left ear and your right index finger goes in your right ear)! Seriously, though, great engines. If I'm not mistaken, I think Honeywell took over the operation.
I flew the 690 in the early '80's as a young ,hungry 135 cargo pilot. Loved the airplane. Once you get used to Aero Commander steering you don't like anything else.
Tim You have to position the camera so that the instrument panel is not underexposed. It is the view of the instruments at the right exposure that makes these videos so interesting. I am not as concerned about the view outside as I am with the flight and engine instruments. Videos by Steve Kinevo and P1D have set a pretty high standard for picture quality to the point where I expect it in similar videos like yours. You fly an interesting aircraft, but I really would appreciate better quality video. Your dialogue is good. Thank you! Patrick from Albuquerque
Patrick, I'm am actually doing some training in Adobe Premier Pro this week to see how I can have better panel/outside window exposure with my new Beech Premier jet videos. I have struggled trying to render videos to the high level of fidelity of Kinevo and P1D I assume they just got better camera equipment then me or my render settings in PP are just wrong. I have looked at both Kinevo and P1D's different camera angles and plan to implement more variety in my own future videos. Thanks for the constructive criticism, well received and as stated noted and working on it!
Missed you’re NTS check;)
deadreaver2 good spotting 😉 I don’t miss mine lol
I love aero commanders. Their my dream plane!
Turbo Commander is the pinnacle of the Aero Commander line.
Forgot to eyeball the autopilot circuit breaker before takeoff.
WHAT DID YOU SAY
I want this plane so f bad. Dam sexy machine
I think I heard you say, gonna start number 1, why is number 2 running? Oh, camera reversed.
Maintenance flight and the seat was not fixed
Only one pilot for these type?
Yes