So much didn't make sense in the world until I discovered Donald Hoffman a few months ago. Now most of the questions I've been struggling with make so much more sense. Thank you, Donald.
Rupert Sheldrake has done many experiments human-aimals about comunication without words, telepathic comunication, that is what i do, im a interspecies comunicator, and its something you train to remember. Wonderful talk!! Enjoyed so much!
A commonsense question about AI is when AI in a machine breaks down, it has to be repaired by humans as, in the first place, it's the humas that created it. It's not self created.
Deepak's reasoning... everything we experience is in consciousness (ok fine)... therefore everything is actually in consciousness (hmmm not necessarily)
Hoffman argues that the species that saw "reality as it is" died out. Thus he concludes that humans - and perhaps other species - simply see "icons" (not reality as it is) in consciousness. But that first position implies that there was a reality to see, but those species that saw it died out. Yet Hoffman denies even the notion of a reality as it is. This seems to be a contradiction. Either there is a reality beyond icons and "interfaces" or there isn't.
Enjoyable and instructional from both primary speakers....Thank-you. But When striving to enquire about the ineffable a distinction is required between “Infinite And Unlimited” Otherwise it is striving to use a computer input with only 0 Infinite and ignoring 1 Unlimited!? God is the recognition of 1 while utilising 0 as the Roundabout!? At the same time a description of God or the meaning, is not required, and religion and science have their correct places 0 and 1 Or 1 and 0 applying your truth Perception are You More scientist or being more open.
Actually expecting answers from science is futile. Whatever the hypothesis is and however it is cognised as the measurement and thoughts / ideas generated can never be real as the observer changes the experience and phenomenon.The sensual realm including the mind has an inherent delay and a bias.it can never be ' true'
There isn’t any doubt that the word "consciousness" baffles most humans, and that is because most of us were indoctrinated from childhood on, to trust in the man-created theology that life (either wonderful, as in eternal bliss … or horrible, as in eternal suffering) “of the self” goes on in a spiritual dimension for eternity. If we were taught from childhood, that it is cells that create material bodies, and that when the cells in bodies of animals, including human animals, die, new vibrant cells, keep the process of life on earth ongoing … we wouldn’t have that urgent need to believe that the self is all important. However, that would be the end of theology … and religion, as we know, is “big business.”
Each of us live in our own universe but we share same space which is the real universe. And you see your own brain which is your universe. When we are together (more than 1 person) we share this same space,,and this is the mind of god/godsystem. And satelites interupt the flow of light for some people who is choosen not to recieve gods light. Cus they hacked into the curcuit which is our common earth..and we end up with mental illness and feel as targeted individuals.
The problem i always have with these discussions is that spirituality is seen as an extension of science, that science can show spirituality is right. This is a poor worldview. Better is to see how science can illustrate spirituality by making spiritual positions more clear and how spiritualty can guide us in our lives with sciences as an aid for that. Otherwise they will try to use spirituality as a way to create technology to manipulate the human experience.
The only thing I would disagree with Don is that their theory of God is going to be wrong. Matter of fact, I think that for the first time they're going to get it right on first attempt - because they now have what the spiritual studies have already mapped as a guideline.
How do you know you will not experience anything during your deep sleep? Because you don't remember the experience? Drawing a conclusion from it would be childish.
Consciousnes means aware of whole thing and none. None is meaningless without experinece. Thinking is a state of consciousness. The work of thinking is to be experienced, to which no Law applies. Experience and experiencer are two different things. Time gender reality belief perceptions it all exists based on experience. Experiencer is thinking, state of consciousness. No Law applies to thinking. That is why experience format understand that I am experiencing myself.
If you had a mathematical equation that described the taste of chocolate you would not see the taste the of chocolate in that equation. You would see an equation... and if you were sceptical you would be disinclined to believe it actually described the taste of chocolate. So the requirement that physicalist based equations should explain qualia in order to have solved the hard problem is just a way of baiting physicalists.
"Modern science is based on naive realism..." - Deepak Chopra..... That has got to be the most monumental falsehood I've ever heard. Scientists have been arguing against such a position since the 17th century when they became aware of the nature of vision, etc. Indeed this anti-realist positions predates that; though perhaps not in science. Also, Chopra himself often quotes quantum mechanics which took a position against all kinds of realism in the 1920s. Add to that the fact that naive realism is a *philosophical* position which most scientists don't feel the need to consider - they "shut up and calculate" and/or make do with *what things do* rather than worrying themselves about the "reality behind appearances".
11:40. "Five Human Senses"..Deepak is being very naive for the audience. Our sensorimotor system has senses like balance, gravity, proprieception... Language itself has meaning or we have aboutness which are inner senses. Hoffman is stuck on the desktop Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave us.
Sure, like this salesman knows anything about consciousness. He knows how to use selling the idea of eternal consciousness to make money for sure. Now, it looks like Hoffman is coming out of the closet.
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So much didn't make sense in the world until I discovered Donald Hoffman a few months ago. Now most of the questions I've been struggling with make so much more sense. Thank you, Donald.
Rupert Sheldrake has done many experiments human-aimals about comunication without words, telepathic comunication, that is what i do, im a interspecies comunicator, and its something you train to remember.
Wonderful talk!! Enjoyed so much!
Thank you for sharing.
Wow. What an amazing team and discussion. I feel so much better after watching this.
A mathematical model for god, thank you Mr Hoffman, now we are getting somewhere.
2 Gurus of out time. God bless them both.
🙏🙏🙏
Wonderful ! Thank you Universe for people like Don Hoffman! A great mind ...
Absolutely great and enlightening ! Thank you Deepak and Hoffman
অসাধারণ consciousness!!!
Wow. Thanks for uploading this. Great way to wake you up in the morning.
Loved this, thank you so much for posting 🙏
Brilliant. ...Thank you so much for uploading this Deepak. 👍
“silence is the language of god, all else is poor translation.”
Rumi
Beautiful 🧎🏿♂️
GREAT SHOW! I had to shout it out
Much needed.
Amazing 🙏 my son is autistic this confirms alot 🤯 💙
My niece too.
A commonsense question about AI is when AI in a machine breaks down, it has to be repaired by humans as, in the first place,
it's the humas that created it. It's not self created.
Wasn't Pauli Einstein was talking to about an objective moon, it was Abraham Pais, another walking partner/colleague at Princeton.
Freaking amazing talk. Yayyyyyyyyy....yahoooooo
Excellent...... thanks 🙏.
Deepak's reasoning... everything we experience is in consciousness (ok fine)... therefore everything is actually in consciousness (hmmm not necessarily)
@@pdigrazi no need. Everything is in my first comment
What is "seeing reality as it is"? I am intrigued by this discussion but not sure what Hoffman meant by that.
Hoffman argues that the species that saw "reality as it is" died out. Thus he concludes that humans - and perhaps other species - simply see "icons" (not reality as it is) in consciousness. But that first position implies that there was a reality to see, but those species that saw it died out. Yet Hoffman denies even the notion of a reality as it is. This seems to be a contradiction. Either there is a reality beyond icons and "interfaces" or there isn't.
@@paulaustinmurphy Thanks. Only way out of that sort of rabbit hole is empirical, via experiment but (rhetorically) what sort of experiments?
All 'conscious agents', Life-Unit's, is the same eternal living being,
all with their very own eternal consciousness.
Enjoyable and instructional from both primary speakers....Thank-you. But When striving to enquire about the ineffable a distinction is required between “Infinite And Unlimited” Otherwise it is striving to use a computer input with only 0 Infinite and ignoring 1 Unlimited!? God is the recognition of 1 while utilising 0 as the Roundabout!? At the same time a description of God or the meaning, is not required, and religion and science have their correct places 0 and 1 Or 1 and 0 applying your truth Perception are You More scientist or being more open.
go on human being dive into unknown without ourselves....
I don’t know whether this was solving the problem or creating more problems
Actually expecting answers from science is futile. Whatever the hypothesis is and however it is cognised as the measurement and thoughts / ideas generated can never be real as the observer changes the experience and phenomenon.The sensual realm including the mind has an inherent delay and a bias.it can never be ' true'
There isn’t any doubt that the word "consciousness" baffles most humans, and that is because most of us were indoctrinated from childhood on, to trust in the man-created theology that life (either wonderful, as in eternal bliss … or horrible, as in eternal suffering) “of the self” goes on in a spiritual dimension for eternity. If we were taught from childhood, that it is cells that create material bodies, and that when the cells in bodies of animals, including human animals, die, new vibrant cells, keep the process of life on earth ongoing … we wouldn’t have that urgent need to believe that the self is all important. However, that would be the end of theology … and religion, as we know, is “big business.”
How would the physical world disappear?
THE PHYSICAL WORLD IS A INTERNAL PROJECTION OF YOUR BRAIN
SO DOES FOR ALL HUMANS
Each of us live in our own universe but we share same space which is the real universe. And you see your own brain which is your universe. When we are together (more than 1 person) we share this same space,,and this is the mind of god/godsystem. And satelites interupt the flow of light for some people who is choosen not to recieve gods light. Cus they hacked into the curcuit which is our common earth..and we end up with mental illness and feel as targeted individuals.
The problem i always have with these discussions is that spirituality is seen as an extension of science, that science can show spirituality is right. This is a poor worldview. Better is to see how science can illustrate spirituality by making spiritual positions more clear and how spiritualty can guide us in our lives with sciences as an aid for that. Otherwise they will try to use spirituality as a way to create technology to manipulate the human experience.
The only thing I would disagree with Don is that their theory of God is going to be wrong. Matter of fact, I think that for the first time they're going to get it right on first attempt - because they now have what the spiritual studies have already mapped as a guideline.
how come deepak is aging?
I guess ardhanarishvara mahadev is the answer to this problem
How do you know you will not experience anything during your deep sleep?
Because you don't remember the experience?
Drawing a conclusion from it would be childish.
yes I dont remember
Consciousnes means aware of whole thing and none.
None is meaningless without experinece.
Thinking is a state of consciousness.
The work of thinking is to be experienced, to which no Law applies.
Experience and experiencer are two different things.
Time gender reality belief perceptions it all exists based on experience.
Experiencer is thinking, state of consciousness.
No Law applies to thinking.
That is why experience format understand that I am experiencing myself.
If you had a mathematical equation that described the taste of chocolate you would not see the taste the of chocolate in that equation. You would see an equation... and if you were sceptical you would be disinclined to believe it actually described the taste of chocolate. So the requirement that physicalist based equations should explain qualia in order to have solved the hard problem is just a way of baiting physicalists.
thank the Gods that Shermer or Dennet was not here. the discussion would have been unbearable.
"Modern science is based on naive realism..." - Deepak Chopra..... That has got to be the most monumental falsehood I've ever heard. Scientists have been arguing against such a position since the 17th century when they became aware of the nature of vision, etc. Indeed this anti-realist positions predates that; though perhaps not in science. Also, Chopra himself often quotes quantum mechanics which took a position against all kinds of realism in the 1920s. Add to that the fact that naive realism is a *philosophical* position which most scientists don't feel the need to consider - they "shut up and calculate" and/or make do with *what things do* rather than worrying themselves about the "reality behind appearances".
11:40. "Five Human Senses"..Deepak is being very naive for the audience. Our sensorimotor system has senses like balance, gravity, proprieception... Language itself has meaning or we have aboutness which are inner senses.
Hoffman is stuck on the desktop Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave us.
Deepak Chopra, probably not the most incoherent fool, but a close second.
Agreed. What a con man and a babbler of nonsense.
This Chopra is a true con man.
Why?
Sure, like this salesman knows anything about consciousness. He knows how to use selling the idea of eternal consciousness to make money for sure. Now, it looks like Hoffman is coming out of the closet.