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- Arborist Rigging | Safebloc: Basic Setup
The Safebloc, by the 'X-man' J. David Driver, fundamentally changed the nature of negative rigging for me. The added friction helps to convert tension forces into heat, dissipating peak forces exerted on the tree. This is a game changer in sketchy or dangerous trees, and makes all the difference in big wood.
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This guy is awesome for the newer climbers so much gear that never seen in a tree demonstrated on this channel
Howdy from Sacramento. I'm just a regular guy, not a tree pro, but this was interesting to watch. There is art in everything done well, and this is one of those things. Thanks for sharing.
Right you are, there is a technique to everything... thanks for watching! - Patrick
Im from Sacramento as well🤘🏽
Excellent , i’ve been sharing with fellow arborist and anybody who is a tree advocate , tree enthusiast about and your educated climber podcast 👍🏼 and of course TH-cam videos. Siberian knot is a big hit.
Just listened to blair glenn podcast, these are awesome interviews man, ive heard schultz, hunicke, glenn , i really like them. U mentioned the safebloc video in the blair interview, i believe what set it apart may have been the daisy chain knot in place of the running bow. Ive showed that knot to several people and it blows peoples mind. Thx so much for your take on sharing what you know with the rest of the industry who tunes in!!!!
I would like to say i am a older climber and I like your videos keep them coming
Nice drop there Patrick. Liked the controlled descent :-)
The only bucket truck tree video I ever cared to watch, Love to learn from you my friend, awesome stuff, Stay safe, God bless and Happy New Year to you and yours.
Thank you brother! Really appreciate the support. Have a great New Year... - Patrick
Awesome video. Keep them coming.
Experience & exellent tree work young MAN.
Beautiful video
Outstanding Pat, 👍
Thanks brother! .... - Patrick
Very nice Patrick ! Great to see the Daisy chain hitch in action !
Thanks brother! - Patrick
Excellent
Ultra slings are nice. That daisy chain is awesome
Thanks brother! - Patrick
Nice work!!
Thanks brother!.... - Patrick
Damn that works very well !
#smooth......... - Patrick
Nice ultra sling! I did the same with 3/4” Tenex tec, 11’7” of usable pocket length. I use mine with either 1/2” (very little friction, even with all 3 holes) or 5/8” (lots of friction) for my big wood situations or where I don’t have a basal bollard in conjunction and need decent friction on small to medium sized pieces.
Yeah man, the Ultra sling/ Safebloc combo is hard to beat! - Patrick
Brian Kennedy I think the Safebloc is the only option (or rings but the don’t add enough friction) you really have for handheld non-downward directed tension/friction during negative rigging as a normal block won’t feed correctly. With 5/8” line you can easily catch 400-600 lbs by hand. With 1/2” line at that weight you better have a extra friction. 1/2” line with all 3 holes I’m not usually doing over 150-250 lbs by hand. You can probably do a little bit more when static loading but dynamically, at that weight and line size, it’ll just fly through your hands. It is a rather large item and, when rigged up negative rigging style, usually introduces a decent sized drop into the equation.
You got there in the end
Just got one! Was looking for videos and couldn’t find anything really showing set up on tree so this was right on time!
Awesome, glad to help!.... - Patrick
Sweet
Show that knot you use all the time in slow motion and how you tie off your porta wrap?
We was cutting a larger Oak tree and just wrapped the tale around like normal and it ended up coming loose while we was cutting a limb. It was dangerous but no one got hurt or tore anything up.
Love all your videos and the information and knowledge your always willing to share.
Thank you.
FOUND IT !
I enjoy your videos. However, your goal in this one seemed to be to create the absolute most dynamic load as possible. And, for extra points, possibly blasting the crap out of the rigging line against the stem?
Dave, you win first prize !...
I've never seen the scabbard kept on the outside of the bucket.. but I kinda dig it. I'll have to give that a try
just a heads up, depending on your scabbard, it might get knocked off by brush and lines causing a safety issue for anyone below you, and or damaging a saw if its in it. My bosses first scabbard would get knocked off on occasion, he replaced it with one similar to this (link below) with the clips that keep it from getting knocked off, hasn't had a problem since.
www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=29&item=1047
@@nate2838 cool, thanks for the heads up
I would like a scabbard on outside it takes up so much room in bucket exspeacially with a big saw. Plus it be one less thing for your lanyard or anti fall system lol to get caught on seems like no matter how long iv ben using a bucket I end up all wrapped up still. I do alot more climbing than bucket work so I think just cause it is connected always to your back an that im not constantly putting in on taking if off like a lanyard climbing it slips my mind. I feel I can't be the only one who does that cause I know guys who complain about using it an seen them fly not connected. There are private owners or subcontractors so they got alot more freedom to do what they want. I click in always one last thing who feel more safe in the tree than in a bucket ? I prefer the tree as long as it's not rotten or structurally damaged.
Hi there, was just wondering how often you use the daisy chain hitch? Looks very time efficient for groundies, do you use it on all your rigging? And does it ever become to tight under a lot of strain? Thanks in advance
I use it for all of my rigging, I love it. It can tighten up with really heavy stuff, especially if you don't use a half hitch before it, but I still prefer it to a running bow. Thanks for watching! - Patrick
Do you still use a bollard or portawrap with the safebloc or just the safebloc on its on as it takes up friction higher up? Or do you use it like a xring/ block cheers
Toby phair same question
I wandered that too - also did you have your sling made up or buy already made up w/sb?
That's a great question Toby. It all depends on the situation. The Safebloc does add a significant amout of friction, especially with 5/8" rope. You can use it in situations where you don't have access to the base of the tree to set up a porty (like working in the neighbour's tree, etc.), but I use it primarily to dissipate peak forces in the rigging up top when dealing with large tops/chunks of wood. Negative rigging is dangerous enough. The Safebloc, combined with rings to spread the load, just gives me peace of mind when I need it. I hope this makes sense brother! Thanks for watching....... - Patrick
@@tree2climb839 The sling/Safebloc combo in this video was made for me, custom, by my friend Peter DeVries. He makes all kind of custom rigging and climbing slings/rings/ropes/ and lanyards. You can find him on Instagram, instagram.com/designs_by_devries
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Pete is a badass...got to meet him on a rec climb in Florida a week ago.
Good shit. I still prefer a timber hitch for big pieces.
Man. I never seen daisy chain like that incorporated with a runnin bowline, can u do a small video on that. It is sickly awesome...
I show how to tie it in this video: th-cam.com/video/7P5MSSrBOTU/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching brother! - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM just checked it out. Thx man that is gonna give my runnin bowline a rest for a while
Good groundie! That was like a Halo drop!!! Nice music overlay too.
Can I ask you where you got the safe block on the ultra sling with the holes the 16 foot one i seen u have to tie it on every time. The one u got is nice
Do you have an "educated guess" as to how much friction the safe block adds. Comparable to number of wraps on a porta wrap? As an example a whole wrap with 1/2" and a half wrap with 5/8".
Also a tip, if I don't need wraps on the porty I'l clip the rope through a biner so I can still walk toward the trunk like I was using the porty.
In Norway, if we have a lift, we just chop up small pieces - as small or big we need to. They fall maybe 1 meter from the trunk. He spends more than 3 minutes for one meter. I would chop up a meter into three pieces in max 30 seconds. After the initial hitting the ground, it can spin out with far less force. Two guys are needed or just building a small cover around the trunk. Logs dont jump up into the air.
but you have no control over leaving divets in the ground from the pieces impacting. this method would reduce the divets created.
@@tylerstreeservices9154 True
Is that 1/2" polydyne you're using? Also sorry for double-asking this but is this the cemetery where that anchor point snapped? If so I'd be real eager to hear if you'd had the Bloc in-use there, my thinking is that since the Bloc reduces stress on the anchor-point by slowing the running-side of the anchor, that it may *add* force to the other side (unsure about this but keeps crossing my mind!), if so then I have to wonder how it'd have gone if you'd had (2) Safeblocs, one as terminal and one on that redirect that'd broken the tree, maybe it'd have held?
Furthermore, if that's 1/2" polydyne, I'd be real eager to hear your thoughts both on how it performs with the Bloc and what you think of using 3/4" polydyne through the Bloc instead, honestly it makes me WAY more comfortable getting 5/8" poly after seeing that you use 1/2" (am like 99% sure that's what I'm seeing here!), I want to go 3/4" just for the redundancy (and to allow double-safebloc-rigging tricks!!!) but my fear is that it may be too-thick to run through multlipe safeblocs, hell I'm looking at my triple-ring x-sling (the one where one leg of the 5' sling is a double-head wiht (2) of the Large X rings) and worrying about running 3/4" (19mm) through that because the max rope for (1) of the Large rings is just 20mm so if you're using two of them in the 3-ringed sling, where it 'wedges' that middle ring upward when under-load, I'm picturing the 19mm rope being forced through (2) 20mm-max holes that aren't perfectly aligned, sounds like a recipe for bad-friction.....am awaiting a reply from TreeStuff about this, as neither they nor Sherrill list specs for this triple-ring sling I mean no SWL/WLL and no max-rope-diameter for the sling, seems silly when it cost nearly $200 for what amounts to $20 of samson hollow braid and 3 alum rings, would expect more data for this price lol!
Your summary here is great, it's a treat to see someone proselytizing for these, I think it's a shame D.Driver didn't continue innovating them (I've messaged him on the Buzz as I've got an idea to improve the Bloc/THT, don't want to give it to anyone but him!), at least people like you make videos like this, wish/hope you'll do more as this Bloc is a revolution not only does it allow WAY more anchorage-point options in weaker trees but it allows so much more weight to be controlled by a given person/people, nevermind tricks like double-safebloc-rigging (or, though I've yet to see it, my idea is to get another bloc or two simply to splice into straight-slings so that I can add them as redirects in teh same exact way people are now using the X rings -- why not? So long as you're accounting for the loads you'll be doing, it makes as much sense as possible to reduce the "final load" that the groundy(ies) have to deal with, if you can make a 500lbs chunk tug the line less then that's a plus in every aspect, no? :D I'm also very convinced that the more dynamic lines, like Polydyne, are going to function best in tthese devices especially things like double-Safebloc-rigging configurations!
Am sure you're familiar with 'pfanner man' /lawrence schultz's videos? He's definitely got the best Safebloc-rigging vids I've seen, he's a beast in a canopy anyways but his intuition rigging, especially with Blocs, is just a treat to watch, I'd bet dollars to donuts that he could solo-rig a piece with more control than a 2-person 'regular' setup could, just due to how sharply/smartly he's setting his rigging-systems&hardware!
Sorry so long, Safeblocs are still getting me excited the novelty is still new to me I only got mine like a month ago and think it's the most out-of-the-box idea of any product I've bought, reallllly hope Driver didn't "give up" on innovating after the whole mess of Notch/Sherrill/TreeStuff taking/licensing his X line and then quickly introducing non-X-rings to compete with his, I know he publicly says it's all good but I'd expect him to say that regardless, am doubting he thought it was all good when they *could've* stamped X rigging onto their new rings but chose not to (not saying they owed him $$$ for the new&superior rings, but he proselytized & made them popular, it's only fair to try and support him for doing so, there are examples of decades'-old rigging-ring slings, they aren't a new idea they just lacked mass-adoption, that was 100% Dave and then he got crap because he wasn't CNC'ing them at home (ie was sourcing from Antal) and then it seems his 'best option' was to license them over to the 'sherrill consortium' :/
Love me some 550👍
Love my 550. Second only to my modded 200t
The 550 is some serious saw!..... - Patrick
Don't forget about the 346xp..... But I do dig the 550....I use 16" bar and it usually handles the whole tree from start to finish. I just can't stand top handle saws.
@@allmantree the 346 was okay.. but now that I got my grubby paws on a 550, I can't stand the 346! I also love top handles (well.. some of them)
562 has way more power and is on the same exact chassis. My favorite saw hands down
Flash looking gear these days,,,, we used to use a standard logging pulley and a few wraps around the trunk or if we had no good gear we just use a heavy 3 strand rope and rig over the nearest crotch or through a shackle,,, ahhhhhh painful memories
Painful indeed my friend. Most people still use pulleys or blocks. Aerial friction just makes so much sense, the difference is very noticeable... - Patrick
bro what is that knot you use instead of bow after the hitch? like a braid? is easier for the groundsmen to untie?
th-cam.com/video/7P5MSSrBOTU/w-d-xo.html is his video on tying it
Hello I’m interested to know what type of knot you used about the half hitch?
Have a up coming great new year Friends 👍
Happy New Year my friend!..... - Patrick
I have a safebloc, but yet to use it. Does the friction it creates eliminate any wraps on the portawrap? Thanks!
It can, if the weight is reasonable. But I use it more to dissipate the peak forces on a big chunk, almost always use it with a porty at the base... Thanks for watching! - Patrick
Hello, very good job (I am very fascinated by your hard work), could you tell me what is the name of the knot at 2mn11sec. Thank a lot, Francis from France
Francis Bourcelot it’s a half hitch the a running chain or daisy chain I think
Now show it over a glass greenhouse !
arboristBlairGlenn I prefer an arborist block or two and a polished 3 ball receiver hitch over a portawrap when possible. I’m with you on the control thing...
Yessir!
What's up with daisy chaining the end of your running bowline with half hitch?
Yeah I dunno how they replace or improve a portable wrap and I've heard of problems with them. Never seen such braiding but good job.
Thanks man, they don't replace a porty, they just add friction up top, making big tops and big rigging safer.... thanks for watching!.... - Patrick
OK cool. There is an added level of base friction after the ground let's it run totally free and be potentially more adventurous. Would help in training ground crew too.
Cheers
Can the safebloc be used for trees with large diameter tree trunks
How many wraps on the portawrap? Thanks.
Whoa,what? Daisy chain for a finish?
th-cam.com/video/7P5MSSrBOTU/w-d-xo.html is his video on tying it
I guess the old school nature in me is asking the question, why not let the pieces free fall to the ground? This technique worthy to be employed when there are objects below that can't be damaged.
Looked like there was a nice manicured lawn beneath, looked like a graveyard.
What’s the name of the first and last knot that he tied? I need to learn that one
No lanyard on the chain saw ? It’s all good till you catch a limb or it slips out of you hand . ‘Headache’!
What kond of knot was that? We use a running bowlin. Never seen that one before
And you will never see it again....
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Love yer name tag haha
Here'smytake
Lol, thanks....never ever in my life would I believe I could say I hate anyone let alone someone I have never met.
I hope trudoh is back teaching drama soon.
How do you determine how many holes to use? Is there a good video of this somewhere?
Probably by experimenting, the more holes it goes through just the more friction is put on it so the heavier the chunk/top/limb then the more holes you would use!
Where to get that blocking rope? I mfrom Holland we dont use it but i like to order it
You could try Honey Bros. in the UK. It's just a standard double braid rigging line... - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM thanks Patrick
A Husky that starts on the first pull? Where can I get one of those haha. Jk. Nice video
hahahahaha
Must have already been warm lol
What's the rigging on the bottom side.?
Ultra-sling ftw. I love that daisy chain rigging know too. Great setup all together. You do a lot of cemetary work. Is it the same cemetery or different locations? How do you land thos jobs? Did you solicite them or did they find you or are you a member of the church? Thanks for the video. I cant wait to have my own safebloc.
Thanks brother. The cemetery is a contract that we were lucky enough to land. Only had to stay in business 6 years to get that one offered to us... ;) ......... #overnightsuccess........ #not! - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM thats awesome, brother. Thats inspiration for the little guys like myself to stick it out and earn your business the slow and steady way. Thanks for the reply.
Why not tie the running bowline?
Whats that dasy chain knot called?
I call it the Daisy Chain hitch, I made a video about it here:
th-cam.com/video/7P5MSSrBOTU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching! - Patrick
Do u no about how much weight that safeblock can hold buddy
Had to much slack with bigger pieces like rhat slower peel down without cutting all the way thru save in all the equipment
Idea like a lynard on my saws there way to expensive to accidentally drop
Too dangerous to have a lanyard on your saw in the bucket. If the saw got pulled down by a piece and it's attached to the bucket, that's a bad day 'tater.......... - Patrick
EducatedClimber Breakaway lanyard!
Keep that saw in the bucket in the scabbard. Too dangerous for your groundie. If you brush something and it pops out or the scabbard attachment breaks you have a dead groundie regardless of him wearing a hard hat or not. Shame. Rest of the stuff you do not revolutionary at all...and an arb could go through a full life and never need any of that Driver stuff at all and miss nothing.
Fucking beautiful man. I’ve only used natural crotches for rigging. I want to get a basic rigging kit. Do you have any recommendations? I looked at some on treestuff website but they seem pricey.
Why not using just a simple X ring
Never keep the chainsaw outside of the bucket if you are not using it
I never liked using those types of slings. Fixed eyes means it's often too loose.
do you really listen to this music?
Love videos hate music
Gotcha! - Patrick
Lorsque vous faites des démonstrations vidéos, pensez à vous équiper.. pensez aux débutants !
What is that funkie ass knot lol
Dropping that untethered chainsaw on your ground crew wouldn't be pleasant.
Agreed, chainsaws are expensive to repair when dropped and subsequently damaged from height.
I really wanted to watch & learn something, but the background noise is way too annoying. This would have been great if you skipped the music and talked.
You just defeated the purpose of using that device by letting it run that far down the stem...
Just another money waisting gimmick... Long live reg coats... Sling is fine & dandy..
Agreed, long live Reg! - Patrick