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Cliffe Classics #12 - Give Me an Answer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Recorded - Fall 1997
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
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I love these early 2000s ask cliff videos. I think you can clearly see the ability of the students to say exactly what they think and state clearly how they feel, isn’t hindered by their fear of being canceled or mocked for their point of view like it is in todays students at todays university.
Be yourself I mean in school here we use to have debates about homosexuality and trans at birth science panels
1997
Do you not watch his current ones?
1997
@@builderphill1361he’s a lot more experienced and uses different style now and has some more developed answers
Same questions. Generation after generation. People arguing themselves into unbelief and eternity in outer darkness.
Sometimes it feels like Cliffe is talking right at me!
I hate/love it when that happens
It's because we are confronted by the truth of the gospel
Are you a believer?
@@heidils8152 mom?
@@rwjws2689 yes I’m a believer. No, I’m not your mom 😆
I love this man fighting on the front lines
I could seriously listen to Brother Cliffe all day!!! ❤
Cliffes explanation to the young black man on free will and God's role along side his omni presence and eternal nature was excellent.
I was student here that guy was a masters student like 32 he is former military infantry
Whoever hears of the word has heard of God. Thank you cliffe, you’ve helped me in my faith and in sharing the faith. Keep at it good sir
Praise Allah
@@Theo_Skeptomai I have. For it is by experience that I see the evidence. I’ve been studying the bible for a while, though thankfully I got to grow up in a church, and through its knowledge I can be as free as ever! Though I’ve still a lot more to learn. Might I suggest to try reading and understanding the gospels and if there’s ever a trial you’re having, see that as God and once you lean on him for help, based on his timing, then when the blessings come, then that there is more evidence you would receive. Have a good Godly day
@@Theo_Skeptomai it was an assumption. To which on my end I apologize. And my thinking led me off in that course of determination. Other than that, I would suggest evidence in experience
@@Theo_Skeptomai you know the values and have been an evangelical for years yes? Then why not continue? And in regards to what I meant in terms of experience, I meant your own experience. Experience it for yourself, though you’ve greatly expressed that, and to really dig into the experience. Hoping that you’ve a wonderful day wherever you are and God bless you and keep you
@@Theo_Skeptomai Experiences are not subjective if they actually happened. If your friend got slapped by a stranger on the street and they shared this information with you, what happened to them is objectively true--whether or not you personally witnessed it happen. It's just up to you to trust the factual information that they've shared or reject/be skeptical about it.
I from Kenya and live in Germany and would like to say you are doing a good job being patient and giving answers to the questions asked. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you, strengthen you and continue to increase your wisdom ,knowledge and understanding of His word that you may continue having fruitful discussions with all people you have discussions with. May you be increasingly fruitful in all your goings and when Our Lord Jesus Christ comes we (all who believe in Him and continue to live humbly, pursuing holiness and increasingly serving and calling every person to believing in Jesus Christ ) will receive eternal life forever and amen.
Jambo kaka, I am from Kenya too, enjoying this cliffe
These are truly classics.You got to love it...I love the aggressively soft Cliffe
This would be REALLY good if it continued from where it cut off. It was going amazing. If you hold yourself to putting up everything, and commit to getting better then your school visits will get so good they won't let you back onto campus!
God bless you I learn so many biblical truth from the video.
One of my favorite cliff videos to date
Man cliffe only has 132k subscribers... such good info everyone needs to see this no matter what they believe.
Come back and see how many he got now
And even then it's still not good enough so many people don't understand is such a mystery the Bible I have the Holy Spirit in me thank God I'm able to understand these things but it's a beautiful mystery and the best thing in the world is to live for him
Men like Cliff are helping to hold the world togeather.
All Christians carry the message when when we are ever asked. Why we have this hope in us. We are commanded. To share the gospel.
Fantastic message. Good work
He really is a inspiration ❤️
4:43
Dang I was only 1 year old when this episode aired and I’m now 24. God bless you Cliffe and Stuart 🫡
Well done Cliffe..well done
Nice message.
Thanks for teaching pastor...My greet from Timor Leste
Love that first guy’s question!
Amazing Cliffe
Because God knows what you are going to do does not mean he’s making you do it.
Where we smarter back then ??? These questions are great
My Lord and my God forever and ever 🙏🏽 ❤
The amount of people who believe that the bible has been translated over and over in some game of telephone truly blows my mind.
The amount of Christians who never read the Book of Ezra; whereby, it is said that he rewrote the books of Moses from memory (after they were lost), blows my mind.
@@jackalsgate1146 With all due respect, THAT IS A LIE! The book of Ezra says NO SUCH THING, nor anywhere else where Ezra is mentioned, Kings, Chronicles, Nehemiah. From the very first mention of the name Ezra, he is called a SCRIBE!! The job of a scribe was to copy and preserve the Law and they did this meticulously by copying. It absolutely NEVER says he wrote the books nor does it say by memory. You are either confused or just lying and I just re-read the book of Ezra in hopes of finding what could be causing you this problem but nowhere does it even insinuate that. You need to learn to read in context, though in this case you can't even take it out of context cause it never says that.
Second, even if that was the case that says nothing to the veracity of what's written, even if he had written it, which he didnt, it's completely possible he did it right. Even if it was a game of telephone you don't know whether it was passed on right or not and in ancient near east culture where tradition was passing things down we know that the people of the day were very skilled and accurate.
Third, the issue raised by the students in this video and almost always by anyone making this ridiculous "telephone" claim is not about the torah or even books of the old testament and about the new testament and the Life of Christ and can we really trust that what's written is what they saw. They make a ridiculous argument that it has been translated over and over and things get lost in translation yet we know that's not true cause we have the original manuscripts and multiple versions and copies at that. The translations are not done one from the other and are done by the Manuscripts themselves. Its an elementary argument that has been proven baseless time and again.
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Maybe you should actually read the Old Testament.
I just love how Christians say: the truth will set you free; until, they get pissed off because of the truth and then they call you a liar.
According to the Old Testament the Ark of the Covenant was lost three times and inside the Ark was kept the Law of Moses also called the Mosaic Law, which refers to the Torah or the first five books of the Hebrew Bible. The last time; however, it was never recovered.
For it is certainly a fact of history, based on the confessions of the Jews themselves, that: The Scriptures having perished in the captivity of Nabuchadrezzar, Esdras, the Levite, the priest, in the times of Artaxerxes, king of the Persians, having become inspired, in the exercise of prophecy restored again the whole of the ancient Scriptures.
One must have a strong belief in Esdras, and especially in his good faith, to accept the now-existing copies as genuine Mosaic Books; for: assuming that the copies, or rather phonographs which had been made by Hilkiah and Esdras, and the various anonymous editors are without intent.
There has never been original Mosaic scrolls, after they were lost to the sands of time.
What could remain of the original writings of Moses, if such ever existed, when they had been lost for nearly 800 years and then found when every remembrance of them must have disappeared from the minds of the most learned, and Hilkiah has them re-written by Shaphan, the scribe? When lost again, they are re-written again by Ezra; lost once more in 168 B.C. the volume or scrolls were again destroyed; and when finally they reappear, we find them dressed in their Masoretic disguise.
We may know something of Ben Chajim, who published the Masorah of the scrolls in the fifteenth century; however, we can know nothing of Moses, this is certain.
A good definition I've heard is any action that separates us from God, creating distance between ourselves and Him.
Hey billy, how you doing?, hope all is well with you?
@@bonnie43uk Doing very well! Our school will be four days long this week and I will get to visit my family in The Netherlands for a week.
Last Friday afternoon, we had a talent show at school and I got to have some fun with messing up singing "Born Free," followed by radio interference and then "Born to be Wild" came on. I started rocking out and you should have seen the jaws drop of the whole school. All sorts of phones came out and quite a few people were filming.
It was a blast!
@@bonnie43uk How's all with you?
@@billyholly I remember going to see the movie "Born free" in the early 70's as a kid, great film, based on a true story, and the theme song is also very memorable, one of Matt Munro's greatest hits. Good to hear you're doing well, England played Ukraine today in a big soccer match at Wembley, 10,000 Ukrainians there to support their team.
@@billyholly All is well here, thanks.
It all starts with a step of faith. Once we trust in Jesus, even if we’re unsure, we will over time experience his presence and his blessings. At that point we have our own encounter with Jesus and we know for sure he is the Risen King.
More clasic video please
he’s a jew but he doesn’t believe books that are written more than 2000 years ago? how can he believe the OT?
My god my god is good 🙏🏼
Cliff is on a different level the guys brilliant
With Jesus christ you look so young love good for healthy
When people disregard the Bible as historical just because it's the Bible, I get so upset! Nobody sat down and wrote this long book called "The Bible". Rather, it's a collection of historical documents. Different people from the time of Christ wrote the gospels; they don't suddenly become non-historical once they are compiled together in a book!
That guy believing in the historical evidence of Jesus Christ because of the gospels but denying Jesus Christ rising from the dead because it's only in the gospels, has got to be one of the most brain-dead responses I've ever seen someone give to Cliffe! No wonder he got so upset! Praise the Lord.
The bible is not a history book
It’s fictional
Lol you do realise that we have a whole genre called "HISTORICAL FICTION" it will include details of real places real people even incorporating real events all interwoven with a FICTIONAL narrative 😂😂😂
@@trumpbellend6717 there's nothing in the Bible indicating that it's historical fiction
People asked about the East but they are ignorant of the fact the gospel started in the East and right now the East is experiencing revival. The churches in the East are growing at a very rapid rate.
People ask the questions over and over, maybe a different way but same. Probably for 2k yrs I had same arguments. I see now from this side of it. Mostly I never really ask a question I wanted to be right,
Where can I find the rest of the dialog??? I have to hear this line of thinking!!
Amen 🙏
Why cant kids now be like kids then they are having a respectful conversation where they have good arguments and try to find where their arguments weaken or wither
An easy way to explain. God's perspective is imagine if you already watched a movie and now you are watching it again with a friend. Since you already know the end, does that mean you directed the movie? Does that mean you told the actors what to do and say?
Not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter de kingdom of God, but those who do the will of God
Are we losing our ability to appreciate beauty. Regrettably many men are not content with women’s lovely faces. It disgraces a man who doesn’t understand that women dislike lust but like love.
God is sovereign, and man is held responsible
I hated this ending so much, that felt like the absolute worst time to stop the video, especially when the next one posted won’t pick up where this one left off
Cliff is talking clear has possible! It is just everyone wants their own agenda to be right or their own dogma to be right just so that they can do what they freelt want to do.
Everyone can freely do whatever they logically can
Your comment doesn’t make sense
@cliffe, you have to come to Suny Oneonta campus! The students there need to hear what you have to say. Too many people mock the lord and fulfill their wants and needs in sin.
"This world's knowledge is God's foolishness" -Jesus of Nazareth
Pure facts!
Bow respectful were those audience unlike present time ..
As believers, we sin as we live in fleshly vessel and are immersed in a fallen world where satan and demons dwell too. However, we are convicted by the Holy Spirit in us and confess and repent of it. If we claim to be followers of Yeshua yet we have no such conviction or only feel guilty for being exposed or getting caught, then we need to check whether we even know the Lord at all: "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"--2 Corinthians 13:5
yes!!
People denying the Lord Jesus Christ because of lack of physical evidence, haven't given Him the praise and prayer He deserves, in which He will show Himself to you. He has with me. And He has changed my life completely. God bless. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ abound in you all.
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AMEN brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you ALL 🙏❤️👊. I love seeing these videos of Cliffe's younger days doing his Christian Apologetics ministry. The first guy was confusing determinism with God's Foreknowledge which isn't a deterministic reality where we're all controlled by Him but He gives us Free Will to do what we choose to do in the realm of which He's given us in this reality to be able to do. Atheism ain't got nothing new or better to offer than the very religious beliefs it's critical of so it's hypocrisy at it's finest 😂. Hello this is for all you Atheists, unbelievers and skeptics. I'm going to address a few misconceptions and lies about God's Character and His Word. The Bible doesn't support chattel slavery or anything else Immoral. Ok so Atheists and unbelievers say God is either Immoral, incompetent or not responsible so let's see what The Scriptures actually say. God revealed himself and created a nation in a real, historical context. It was a world with a slave-based economy, with city states often at war with each other, with polygamous marriages to ensure the continuation of family lines. The laws of the Old Testament regulate this behaviour. Slaves are to be treated humanely (Exodus 21:11). They are given rights and not seen as mere possessions. Hebrew slaves were able to buy their own freedom. Human trafficking is condemned (Exodus 21:16). In contrast to the law code of Babylon, Old Testament Israel was a light to the nations. The Old Testament law and narratives do not stand alone. Jesus is now the best example of what we read. So the moral teaching of the Bible cannot be summarised by a quote taken out of context from the Old Testament to demonize God and His Word. Slavery was permitted in Old Testament law but it was regulated by God giving the Israelites instructions on how to fairly and humanely treat their slaves (it was like indentured servitude where someone could work for you if they owed debts or needed income not cruel like chattel slavery). God allowed the people of Israel to own slaves since they themselves has already experienced over 400 years of generations of Egyptian slavery and knew how inhumane it was to be beaten, overworked and taxed so God set them apart from other nations and cultures around them by giving them a fair way to treat their slaves since slavery had already existed in the world but it doesn't mean God condoned it just used it for His Will to bring Good And in the light of the whole scriptural teaching, we find the reasons for its ultimate abolition (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1-3; Philemon 15-16 and Galatians 3:28). The Word of God provided the moral standard against slavery in the Roman Empire and against the slave trade in the New World.
But what of genocide or holy war in the book of Joshua? Several things could be pointed out. The use of warfare in the ancient world did not always mean literal total destruction, even when events are described in such terms. Furthermore, the book of Joshua does not describe a genocide. It is not a race who are being wiped out, as in genocide, but a religious practice which was often appalling and degrading. Those who repent (like Rahab from Jericho or Ruth) are not destroyed but become part of Israel. It is not the racial group that is in view but their "detestable practices".
However, after all is said, we must still acknowledge that God brought judgment on the nations of Canaan. It is not our place as believers isn't to sugar-coat the Bible. For some skeptics, this is enough to make God a moral monster. But the fact is that Jesus continued to affirm that God is a Judge who will bring a future judgment on all peoples and all nations. God’s judgment will be just. The list of Old Testament stories rejected by critics often leads to a similar dismissal of the New Testament teaching of Jesus on the existence of hell.
After all, what was the Flood of Genesis or the conquest of Joshua if not a glimpse of future judgment? Hell does not demonstrate cruelty on God’s part, but it does demonstrate His Holiness and our moral accountability. Perhaps this is the real reason many people rail against the God of the Bible? It is not that they think He is a moral monster, but that they are afraid He is a moral Judge, and that has implications for our behaviour now. God is an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being and we as His creatures have Eternal souls and spirits so the punishment for our sins against Him must therefore also be Eternal but so must the reward for righteousness that's why He sent His Son Jesus to live a perfectly righteous and sinless Life (which none of us could ever possibly expect to do) suffer the humiliating and torturous death of crucifixion to shed His Own Blood willingly so that all who willingly accept His gift of salvation by grace through faith in Him will be saved and given Eternal life because that's what God wants is for us to willingly accept His gift of salvation and choose life. Exodus 21:20-21 literally speaks about capital punishment befalling anyone who mistreats their slaves so yes people are taking Scripture out of context to demonize God who literally promises that slaves who are mistreated under someone else's authority is to be avenged. When we hear the word “slavery” we think of innocent human beings, kept prisoner for life, having no rights under law and so reduced to animals. This is clearly immoral because it is unjust: the slave has done nothing to deserve the treatment.
The situation described as “slavery” in the Bible was nothing like this. It is more accurately described as one of indentured servitude. Many “slaves” were indentured servants, working for a term of years
Some other “slaves” were prisoners. There were no prisons. Prisoners had to work to live like everyone else. Some had life sentences. Some served a term and were released.
People didn't beat their good slaves but treated them well and protected their assets thus.
But no matter how rebellious a slave was, you couldn't just beat them to death. And if you knocked out their tooth or damaged their eye then you had to set them free. (Exodus 21:26). God wasn't using what other nations did because He wanted to set His Chosen People of Israel apart from the cruel, inhumane and unjust systems other cultures had so He gave them a fair way to treat their slaves and servants.
There is a lot of ignorance on this topic which is understandable given the age we live in but it's not the nefarious set up we think of when we think of modern slavery. The question Atheists must ask themselves is how come the Jews aren't being accused of slavery and human trafficking if they're guilty of it in The Bible and why would white slave owners rip out pages from The Old and New Testament Scriptures to justify their owning blacks as slaves if The Bible already justified slavery?
In the simplest of terms, sin is disagreeing with God.
Not necessarily. You can disagree with God and still obey. Sin is rebellion against God. I don't agree with God that I shouldn't watch porn seeing as how I am 32 and a virgin. But God's standards are higher than mine. It's not the disagreement that is the sin, but in acting on that disagreement to do my will.
@@Malhaloc
_“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that _*_everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart._*_ If your right _*_eye causes you to sin,_*_ tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right _*_hand causes you to sin,_*_ cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."_
*MATTHEW 5:27-28*
@@mbgrafix Now what do you think Jesus meant when He said that?
@@Malhaloc
There's no puzzle there.
Jesus meant what he said.
@@mbgrafix Should I then literally take a cleaver and chop off my hand? Should I then take a knife and gouge out my eyes?
Yaaaa
And I was really getting into that one
That does answer my question, I used to think if God knew that I was going to go to hell why would he create me? But that's the answer. It wouldn't be free will. If not. Create me . That was my choice, and my choice only not gods. Amen?
24:24 The Dead Sea scrolls were discovered in our time and from my understanding when compared to modern translation are almost identical ~ nothing significant can challenge our modern translation and these scrolls predict the coming of Jesus, both the first and second comings. In the book of Isaiah, we read the culmination of the earth and what will happen in the last days, the days we have been in for a long time and it’s rapidly winding down even now. I believe God preserved His words, specifically these scrolls for our time.
All SIN is S-elf, I-sh, N-ess! Even that first SIN of the garden, as recorded in Genesis!
Yes, Lucifer fell into pride and pride is loving self excessively.
@@Theo_Skeptomai - I just did! S-elf, I-sh, N-ess. Putting one's own desires and wants ahead of God and others. Whether that is a sin of commission- doing something that only serves self and no one else at all. Or a sin of ommissiojn- seeing the opportunity to do the right thing to benefit another and display Christ and His love, yet choosing to dismiss the opportunity. Or even the sin of thought - thinking ill of anyone and passing a final judgment upon them. Wishing them harm or even death. We may and should judge someone's actions but never in a final way. For Saul would have never become Paul if that were the case. Only God and Christ have that option!
@@Theo_Skeptomai - I accept what God and Christ Jesus have revealed to me in our walk together in relationship! Which is what I have already explained! Dictionaries and man's definitions mean nothing to me! For I live in Christ and God alone! Galatians 2:20!
@@Theo_Skeptomai - Not going to play your game Theo Skeptomai! Your name means skeptic of a God! A deity of any kind! So you are agnostic or atheist in your own mind! Trying your best to corner me to put forth your practiced narrative of lies, half-truths and human philosophical nonsense that has no proof of what you seek from it. So let's just cut to the chase! You need God and Christ Jesus His only begotten Son for your salvation and eternal life. Then so do I. Yet I have them in relationship John 17:3, John 15:1-8 each and every day! For by God's grace through His gifted faith, I have Repented of self, Confessed Christ as Lord, and Believed that God has raised Christ from the dead. Ephesians 2:8-9, Luke 13:3&5, Romans 10:9-10. End of conversation!
29:18 I heard some orthodox Jewish leaders forbid the Isaiah 53 chapter from being read
Bless Cliffe, but I think if his sons were going to perish and Cliffe had the power to stop his sons from perishing, Cliffe would stop it from happening no matter what. That was the scenario the first questioner was raising.
Humans lust and desire. Demons tempt and entice. When our unrighteous desires and temptation conceive, that which manifests is sin. Sin, fully manifested, is what we call death.
God created demons though 🤨
*"SIN"* is a transgression against perceived whims of subjective invisible beings and is irrelevant in any discussion of morality.
@@jasonnoble7302 if you want to look at it that way I guess. But in reality god created Angels. Angels devolved into demons. That’s why they tempt us, in hopes we’ll join them in their misery.
To the fella at 28:30 1 1 Corinthians 1 20-31
Jews seek a sign and Greeks seek knowledge but it is a stumbling block to them because the gospel doesn't appeal intellectually or sensually, but is faith based.
I think if Cliffe told him imagine you are the flash and you travel through time to the future and see what will happen and then you travel back. Did flash make it all happen because he saw what will happen? Clearly not I don't understand being stuck on knowing what will happen meaning you made it happen.
@askcliffe. Do you believe in a rapture?
can i see the rest of this the ending was so good. to me that last guy was a hypocrite to be honest
22:07 “His Spirit testifies with our Spirit that we are the children of God.” It is by faith. In the end, it is by faith we believe on Jesus. He said blessed are those who without seeing believe. There’s an inner peace and through our prayers, God confirms He is with us because He hears us. When I pray according to His will and then see the answers to those prayers, it elevates my faith. When I read His word and His word testifies to all that is going on around me, it is also a confirmation God is with me. Jesus said no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. It’s supernatural and that’s why it can never satisfy an intellectual. Scripture clearly tells us the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. He destroys the wisdom of the wise.
Why do people equate God knowing with God causing?
God asked Cain about Abel and Cain said, “Am I my brother’s keeper”? God allowed Cain to murder righteous Abel and held Cain responsible. So we are in fact responsible for what we do to each other. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He’s only provided one way to be saved and spared from His wrath. Someone asked about a baby dying in a storm. There’s a verse that talks about God removing someone from the evil that is to come , so we don’t know exactly what that could have meant in that child’s life. God is sovereign and He has mercy on whom He will have mercy, so from our human perspective it may appear unfair and seem as though the baby died prematurely but from an eternal perspective, it could be for reasons we won’t know until only in our eternal state it is revealed.
Is it wrong to hate those who want to hurt others? Like those who want to thin the herd (their words) because they feel the world is overpopulated?
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."--Galatians 5:19-24
Altar calls, childhood baptisms, "accepting Jesus into our hearts", the sinner's prayer notwithstanding, if a person practices the abovementioned works of the flesh and does not manifest the foregoing fruit of the Spirit, it is not a question of their losing their salvation, because...they were probably never saved to begin with. You cannot lose what you never had in the first place
"I'm not interested in your 'charity'.". Tell me the truth.
What people regard as 'sinful' differs massively, even with something as prevalent as lying, it very much depends on the situation, you can lie to protect someone. Here in the UK, the word "sin" is rarely used as we're becoming a much more secular nation.
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That's sad. You can also not lie to protect someone. Lying would mean they now share in the lie and have to cover it up for you, so the consequences will be worse when it's found out so it's just increased the burden for them unnecessary.
@@dogelife7901 there is a classic example dogslife, which you may have heard, i can also give you other examples, if, during WWII, you lived in Nazi Germany, and the Gestapo knocked on your door, and you happened to be hiding Jews, and they asked you directly "Q: do you know the whereabouts of any Jews"? .. should you tell the truth, or lie? What would you do in that situation? Which would be the moral answer?
The UK is also becoming a less unified, lawful, and successful nation the more it’s institutions show corruption. It may correlate the less rational their philosophy on morality and the human condition becomes.
Hello Bonnie, that is correct man is trying from the beginning of time to redefine God's word, that is obvious from genesis to the end of the book. As for the lying you over look the other option, say nothing at all. But Clif spoke plainly and accurately, it is not a deed one does but the heart in which it is done, think about the two midwife that delivers the Hebrew babies in the time of Moses, they lied or at least stretched the truth because they knew it was wrong to kill babies. Also Schindler saved many jews maybe not by the right way, he knew it was wrong to murder jews, Abraham lied to save his own skin and God called him out. Big difference.
God.
Has what is called foreknowledge. Foreknowledge is exactly this to God One day is like a thousand Years and a thousand years is like one day.
Based on this guys theories, nobody can believe anything about anything ever
Sin is the transgression of God's law, 1 John 3:4 , this is the definition of sin...
Sin has many definitions like it is a selfish act that is harmful, it is an exalted love of self, etc.
*CORRECTION ( **_for the sake of accuracy_** )*
At the *25:37* mark in the video, it is mistakenly stated that *Saul* changed his name to *Paul.* This is a common, though rather minor mistake.
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Did he not?
@@Malhaloc
Saul *did not* change his name to Paul.
@@mbgrafix who did
@@TainoMoya
Who did what? Changed Saul's name to Paul? Nobody did. He used both names as was common, especially so with a man like Paul who had dual citizenship. He was a Jewish Pharisee named Saul, however he was also a Roman citizen with the Roman name, Paul. If you read through the book of Acts, you will see this plainly as he uses both names throughout.
While these questions are interesting they are not the reason why these people are not saved. Imagine going to the club and interviewing people, "Why are you not saved?" and one guy responds, "Well because I don't understand the trinity that's why" or "I don't understand how God is Omniscient., or, Is there life on other planets?" another says, "There is a mistake in the bible that's why I am not saved" and oh by the way, "What about other religions?"Lol Dude really, knowing human beings nobody really cares about what is happening to people on the other side of the world let alone on judgement day. DO you really think that guy cares about people in the East he has ever met? Everyone none of those are valid reasons to live in sin. People choose to live in sin because we ignore the truth, not because God is wrong.
Why is it the truth? Why should I believe it is the truth? What evidence do you have to make such a claim?
Let me help you with the question if we can lose our salvation. No. Jesus said “no one can snatch them from my hand. “
Once you put your faith in Christ (Romans 10:9) NOTHING can make you lose your salvation
Romans 8:38-39 “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” KJV
Yes you can lose fellowship with Christ if you sin or reject Christ after being saved , but you can never lose your salvation
Unless you turn from that faith and don’t listen to what Christ teaches anymore, your faith can dissolve if not nurtured and you will be like the unfruitful tree.
Cool
I did that as a child
Now I’m an atheist
But it’s good to know that I’ll be saved
Thanks 😊
@@boltrooktwo
Nah…
Once is enough for the loving bible God
The trinity is a Bible doctrine that there is one God, eternally existing and manifesting Himself to us in 3 persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Have you considered the trinity is demonstrated in many parts of our lives?
There is one God. And this God is the creator of the universe. This God is the God of Genesis 1:1,and Deut 6:4 one Lord. There is only one God
Deuteronomy 6:4 “ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
But careful examination of the scriptures will show that God exists in 3 persons.
The Godhead manifesting in 3 persons. Colossians 2:9, and Romans 1:20
How can God be 3 persons, and one God at the same time? Wouldn’t this make 3 Gods? Thats a pagan idea. Polytheism.
There is only one God. God manifested in 3 persons.
One person is one person. I’m only one person, I’m not 2. Yet, by any scriptural standard I am THREE. We are all Body, Soul and Spirit (1 Thess 5:23)
Every person is a body, soul, and spirit, yet they’re one unit, and yet they’re 3.
You see the trinity in nature, which God makes it obvious for you
Romans 1:20 “For the invisible things (the Godhead) of him from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”
An example is the SUN itself. The sun itself puts out different rays. It puts out alpha and gamma rays, and these rays are classified as light, heat, and actinic rays.
Nobody denies that the sun is one unit. It is one star, not 3 separate stars.
The sun puts out light rays, which can be seen but not felt (the Son);
heat rays that can be felt, but not seen (Holy Spirit);
and, actinic rays that can be neither seen or felt (The Father)
Another example, water, classified as H2O, which are 3 units. One unit of oxygen, and Two units of hydrogen. Are these 3 separate units? No, it’s water. It’s One.
Yet, water can appear in ice form, in liquid form, or in steam form.
What’s Ice as liquid? It’s Water.
What’s Liquid as ice? Water.
Liquid as steam? Water.
As the old preacher said: 3 in 1, 1 and 3, and the one in the middle died for me.
Water is water appearing in 3 forms. And sunlight is the sun appearing in 3 forms.
Those are the scientific facts. Same as the trinity.
Yet, the uninitiated who spend a lot of time quoting the Scriptures that know nothing about,
and preaching the Bible without studying it,
and perverting the Word of God because they’re not interested in what the doctrine has to say.
They can never get this simple fact, that the Trinity is an ordinary phenomena of nature.
Every person is a body, soul and spirit.
I am one person, but am revealed as the son (physical body), the spirit (spirit of man or Holy Spirit if you’re saved), and there’s a soul in me that you cannot see, or cannot feel, which is a type of the Father.
Human reason has no bearing in the studying of God, if a person is trying to figure out something that God has already showed them.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.”
There is no word trinity in the Bible, neither is the word Triune God, or sacraments, or the word Rapture, or the word Millennium.
It’s not the technicalities of where the word is found. We are dealing with the fact that the trinity is demonstrated in NATURE.
Romans 1:20 teaches the invisible things (the Godhead) is clearly seen (water or light) so we’re without excuse.
Lastly, You see the trinity at work Matthew 3:13-17.
Have you considered the potato ?
The potato skin represents our ability to adapt in dark conditions
The soft white interior of the potato represents out true nature
Potato’s need a farmer to make then grow. Giving them water and nutrients
It’s obvious that God is a potato farmer and the potato is his perfect creation
We are just under the God farmers control to live or die as he chooses
Just like the potatoes we see
God has permitted us to cultiva potatoes so we can understand him
Glory to God! Who parent in this video? lol
I have yet to see a tattoo worthy enough to hang on a wall. But how much better are you than a wall. Therefore do not disfigure yourself with much disfiguration.
Cliff, I have to ask, when is it appropriate to not speak about God? Jesus said, "Do not cast your pearls amongst swine." I see people in your videos who completely reject and spend their time attacking you. Who's whole purpose while they're there is to disrupt you and do everything in their power to grieve you. When is it appropriate to just not waste your time? By the way, I just want to say I respect your patience. Because I know that I don't have that kind of strength and patience.
i would say thats a case by case basis
Cliff. I do generally like your videos but could things I noticed which can push folks away from your message. At times there is unnecessary anger in your tone and leading statements with "obviously..." which can put pple off and make them feel condescension. Just a thought
The first guy was confusing determinism with God's Foreknowledge which isn't a deterministic reality where we're all controlled by Him but He gives us Free Will to do what we choose to do in the realm of which He's given us in this reality to be able to do. Atheism ain't got nothing new or better to offer than the very religious beliefs it's critical of so it's hypocrisy at it's finest 😂. Hello this is for all you Atheists, unbelievers and skeptics. I'm going to address a few misconceptions and lies about God's Character and His Word. The Bible doesn't support chattel slavery or anything else Immoral. Ok so Atheists and unbelievers say God is either Immoral, incompetent or not responsible so let's see what The Scriptures actually say. God revealed himself and created a nation in a real, historical context. It was a world with a slave-based economy, with city states often at war with each other, with polygamous marriages to ensure the continuation of family lines. The laws of the Old Testament regulate this behaviour. Slaves are to be treated humanely (Exodus 21:11). They are given rights and not seen as mere possessions. Hebrew slaves were able to buy their own freedom. Human trafficking is condemned (Exodus 21:16). In contrast to the law code of Babylon, Old Testament Israel was a light to the nations. The Old Testament law and narratives do not stand alone. Jesus is now the best example of what we read. So the moral teaching of the Bible cannot be summarised by a quote taken out of context from the Old Testament to demonize God and His Word. Slavery was permitted in Old Testament law but it was regulated by God giving the Israelites instructions on how to fairly and humanely treat their slaves (it was like indentured servitude where someone could work for you if they owed debts or needed income not cruel like chattel slavery). God allowed the people of Israel to own slaves since they themselves has already experienced over 400 years of generations of Egyptian slavery and knew how inhumane it was to be beaten, overworked and taxed so God set them apart from other nations and cultures around them by giving them a fair way to treat their slaves since slavery had already existed in the world but it doesn't mean God condoned it just used it for His Will to bring Good And in the light of the whole scriptural teaching, we find the reasons for its ultimate abolition (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1-3; Philemon 15-16 and Galatians 3:28). The Word of God provided the moral standard against slavery in the Roman Empire and against the slave trade in the New World.
But what of genocide or holy war in the book of Joshua? Several things could be pointed out. The use of warfare in the ancient world did not always mean literal total destruction, even when events are described in such terms. Furthermore, the book of Joshua does not describe a genocide. It is not a race who are being wiped out, as in genocide, but a religious practice which was often appalling and degrading. Those who repent (like Rahab from Jericho or Ruth) are not destroyed but become part of Israel. It is not the racial group that is in view but their "detestable practices".
However, after all is said, we must still acknowledge that God brought judgment on the nations of Canaan. It is not our place as believers isn't to sugar-coat the Bible. For some skeptics, this is enough to make God a moral monster. But the fact is that Jesus continued to affirm that God is a Judge who will bring a future judgment on all peoples and all nations. God’s judgment will be just. The list of Old Testament stories rejected by critics often leads to a similar dismissal of the New Testament teaching of Jesus on the existence of hell.
After all, what was the Flood of Genesis or the conquest of Joshua if not a glimpse of future judgment? Hell does not demonstrate cruelty on God’s part, but it does demonstrate His Holiness and our moral accountability. Perhaps this is the real reason many people rail against the God of the Bible? It is not that they think He is a moral monster, but that they are afraid He is a moral Judge, and that has implications for our behaviour now. God is an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being and we as His creatures have Eternal souls and spirits so the punishment for our sins against Him must therefore also be Eternal but so must the reward for righteousness that's why He sent His Son Jesus to live a perfectly righteous and sinless Life (which none of us could ever possibly expect to do) suffer the humiliating and torturous death of crucifixion to shed His Own Blood willingly so that all who willingly accept His gift of salvation by grace through faith in Him will be saved and given Eternal life because that's what God wants is for us to willingly accept His gift of salvation and choose life. Exodus 21:20-21 literally speaks about capital punishment befalling anyone who mistreats their slaves so yes people are taking Scripture out of context to demonize God who literally promises that slaves who are mistreated under someone else's authority is to be avenged. When we hear the word “slavery” we think of innocent human beings, kept prisoner for life, having no rights under law and so reduced to animals. This is clearly immoral because it is unjust: the slave has done nothing to deserve the treatment.
The situation described as “slavery” in the Bible was nothing like this. It is more accurately described as one of indentured servitude. Many “slaves” were indentured servants, working for a term of years
Some other “slaves” were prisoners. There were no prisons. Prisoners had to work to live like everyone else. Some had life sentences. Some served a term and were released.
People didn't beat their good slaves but treated them well and protected their assets thus.
But no matter how rebellious a slave was, you couldn't just beat them to death. And if you knocked out their tooth or damaged their eye then you had to set them free. (Exodus 21:26). God wasn't using what other nations did because He wanted to set His Chosen People of Israel apart from the cruel, inhumane and unjust systems other cultures had so He gave them a fair way to treat their slaves and servants.
There is a lot of ignorance on this topic which is understandable given the age we live in but it's not the nefarious set up we think of when we think of modern slavery. The question Atheists must ask themselves is how come the Jews aren't being accused of slavery and human trafficking if they're guilty of it in The Bible and why would white slave owners rip out pages from The Old and New Testament Scriptures to justify their owning blacks as slaves if The Bible already justified slavery?
I pray the triune God of the supernaturally prophetic (Romans 1:26-31/2 Timothy 4:3/Matthew 24:6/1 Corinthians 1:18 fulfilled in reality today), historically verified (archaeologically & anthropologically by Christians & non-Christians w/enemy/early/multiple attestation, internal consistency, embarrassing reports, etc.) & transcendentally/objectively moral (Exodus 20/Matthew 22:37-40) Holy Bible reveals Himself to you in Spirit & objective truth (John 16:13). May God bless you with faith in Him, not fallible man (Ephesians 2:8 & Merriam-Webster, "belief , trust in & loyalty to God")!
the gentlemen is asking for evidence of Jesus being the messiah, but with teh same lips he calls Jesus the christ. He already believes He is the christ, what evidence is he asking for? lol
To sin means to miss the mark of perfection, and perfection is love.
EDIT: For clarification, I do not believe that religions have a correct depiciton of God as there are many errors, illogical and unloving teachings in them. I believe God to be a perfectly loving, logical and just being.
If anyone is interested, the truth about God can be found at the Divine Truth youtube channel.
that's your own personal interpretation Kristijan. I think most people view the word as something against God. I happen to think the God of the Bible has many flaws.
@@bonnie43uk it's not, but you may believe it is. Love is one of God's most important attributes so when we go against love, we are sinning.
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 so, is it ok with you if 2 women are deeply in love with one another,? that sounds wonderful to me.
@@bonnie43uk it's not a matter of my opinion but what God deems loving. It depends, what do you mean by love?
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 Love: a deep sense of affection for another person.. have you never been in love Kristijan? ... it's an incredible feeling that consumes you. ❤❤
God knew what Judas was going to do before he did it, he did not force him to do it. He did not take away his free will he used it in his plan? Which was?
He was to betray Jesus, and Jesus was to die on a cross for our sins.
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
The guy did not change his life
he did not repent of his sin
BUT was still saved
YOu're backloading works into salvation
Therefore you have cancelled grace and are lost
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
The thing the Jewish person said didn't make any sence he's still believing in what people wrote thousands of years ago as the word of God
I can tell one thing, people have been watching those Hollywood movies about time travel and fallen believing them.
In reality, those movies have nothing to do with the truth. Just let's reason together:
Cliffe say that God knows the future not because He predestined it but because He can look into the future and see what will take place. Then the question is, where is Satan right now? Is he here in this world killing stealing and destroying or is he burning in the lake of fire? You see if this logic is correct and the future is already real and we can travel there, it means that we can travel in the future realm and see how God is already burning Satan in flames of fire. Yet how is that possible if Satan is still here, ruling this world? Where is Satan exactly? Here or in the flames of fire?
Think about us, humans, think one second into the future, that is already another timeline and there is already another me and you, and God is dealing with us there, but who are those individuals if we are here? How can there be another me a second into the future if I am here?
Don't you see the foolishness of this belief? Imagine every second of your life all the way back to your birth, it is millions of "you's". Who are they and what are they doing there? Just standing frozen in time, each one per second back into the past? Think about Jesus, is He still nailed on the cross in some other timeline? How is that possible if He is in the heavens on the right side of God?
For how long that "other" Jesus in another timeline will be nailed on the cross? For eternity? I wish you would see how wrong this belief is, there are no more you's and me's,, Jesus is not on the cross. So, the past does not exist and the future does not exist, we have only the present.
i cant quite grasp what it is you are getting at Nico. Could satan be a figment of the human imagination?, i think that's highly likely, you can also apply that to this concept of God, and even Jesus being the son of God.
@@bonnie43uk
At 4:25 and further, Cliffe tries to explain that God knows the future not because He predestined it to go the way God wants it to go but because God is outside of time and therefore He sees the past and the future at once.
So, according to Cliffe, the future already exists, meaning that you Tom for example, already exist tomorrow and God sees what you are doing there.
I tried to explain how foolish this idea is, that there is another you who is already living tomorrow and so on.
@@nikokapanen82 ah, ok, yeah, i see what you mean. If you're saying that nobody knows the future, including God, then yes, i agree. You obviously know my position on the Christian God's existence. On an unrelated matter, do you believe that objective moral values exist?
@@bonnie43uk
Yes, I know your position on God's existence. I was there myself years ago, so I can understand it.
I most definitely believe that behavioral attributes like Love, Chastity, Charity, Decency, Temperance, Diligence, Humility, Honesty, Gratitude, Selflessness, Loyalty, Self-control, etc. are objectively good that lead to a positive outcome, which is an emotionally satisfying outcome.
Then such behavioral attributes as pride, greed, hypocrisy, deception, envy, laziness, judging, mocking, bullying stealing, etc. are objectively bad and they lead to harm and damage and eventually lead to pain and suffering.
@@nikokapanen82 Yes indeed, we can broadly agree on those 2 sets of positive and negative human attributes existing. So when you say something is "objectively immoral" are there a list of things which we can all agree on being immoral?.. this is probably where we would disagree. I view morality via a 'harm v benefit' lens, in that if something is beneficial to my self, and particularly to those around me, then I would call it good, and obviously something that is harmful or detrimental to myself and to others, then I would deem that as bad. But in order to determine good and bad, i need to use my own thought process, and that is personal to me ( subjective)
God has a book of every person that has received His Son Jesus in many libraries in Heaven.That book of your name on it has your life in it for eternity. God has already written out life as we know it...good question in this video about can a person lose their salvation. NO!..Its impossible because when a person has confess Jesus is Lord according to Romans 10:9 Jesus then writes the persons name in His blood in the" Lamb's book of life" People's names are NOT removed from His book because it is eternal through Christ!...
I lack the belief that moral subjectivists actually exist. I've seen no credible evidence that any professed subjectivist is willing to grant the subjectivism that they claim for themselves.... to others.
This question can be resolved easily. You believe God is the standard of morality. All you have to do is demonstrate the existence of this God and show why anyone ought to abide by his alleged standard. Otherwise, just admit that morality is based on opinion.
@@Generatorman59 what"question" did you imagine you resolved by asking a question that proves you didn't resolve it? Or even understand it.
What do you mean by "granting subjectivism" to others? I accept that no moral position is any more "correct" than any other. That doesn't mean I don't have any desires. The only justification anyone needs to enforce their morality on others is that they have some goal. That's it. I have the goal of protecting my family. That's justification for preventing people from hurting them. Justification is just a good reason. Avoiding emotional subjective pain is a good reason to enforce your morality on others
@Our Savior nah, I thinks he's a raw, emotional idiot. He doesn't understand because he doesn't want to.
@@spooky6902 you again? Don't ask what I mean by things if it's obvious, which it is.
I think sin is going against God's design he created humans for. For example, if the moon refused to shine, it would be a sin for it goesagainst its created design. However, it wasn't given free will, so it can not choose to go against its design. Another example (not of sin because it isn't a design of god) is if a plate is broken and used as a knife. It goes against its design it doesn't make a good knife or plate. However, God stepped in and fixed us so we could serve our designated purpose he created us for so we no longer have to struggle being ineffective.
When noticing, there wasn't a good definition of sin that could be a standard against moral actions I continued to pray and this is what God revealed to me.
@Theo_Skeptomai I understood the entire concept instantly at a period of time I wasn't thinking about it. This has never happened to me in any previous knowledge seeking event. It was a large concept instantly.
@Theo_Skeptomai The side of a building. I said, revealed not observed. Things can be revealed in many ways.
@@Theo_Skeptomai It was instant imagination isn't instant.
@Theo_Skeptomai Imagination is indeed a great tool to work out new knowledge. However, it can not discover new knowledge instantly. Just like screws are a nice tool to hold together planes. However, you can't fly with only a screw. So no it wasn't using Imagination.
@@Theo_Skeptomai are you saying you need to make observations of something for it to be real?
A man in a helicopter is hovering above a mountain. Below is a narrow, wooded, winding road along the edge of the mountain. On one side of the road is the steep, rock face of the mountain side, on the other is a cliff. Looking down on the mountain road from on high in the helicopter, the man sees two cars on the road, less than a mile apart, traveling at a very high rate of speed toward one another. From their very limited perspective on the roadway, the two cars do not see that they are mere moments from colliding. However, from his high perspective, the man in the helicopter can simultaneously see both cars.
So too are we in this life limited in our perspective, whereas conversely, God is not limited. He sees all things simultaneously, and as such, knows all things.
So, your God sees all things and knows all things. Great. If I came across a man raping a 9-year-old girl, without hesitation I would do everything in my power to stop him.
God, on the other hand, just closes the door and says, "Go ahead and finish... I'll punish you later."
God has the means to stop this, and yet he doesn't. Obviously, God values the rapist's free will to rape more than the victim's free will of not wanting to be raped.
By the way, if this rapist TRULY and SINCERELY repents afterwards, and God is convinced that he has indeed accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior, he will not be punished. How about that!
If we listen to what God has given us in prophecy we can recognize that perspective and trust God more.
I have a *pet peeve with TH-cam.* Case in point...
Under this comment of mine, it indicates that there are *2 Replies.* However, when I click on it, I can see only one.
*_Where is the other reply?_*
*_WHY can't I read it?!_*
I run into this _routinely_ on TH-cam!
Is anyone else experiencing this as well?
Can anyone *_truthfully_* explain why this happens?
_i.e. - I don't mean conjecture, but rather does anyone have the _*_official_*_ explanation from _*_Google/TH-cam_*_ as to why this occurs?_
@@mbgrafix That happens to me all the time. Sometimes I have a comment under the bell, but its not actually in the comment section itself. Currently, I see that you have 3 comments available and I see all three of them. When I press "reply" in just a minute, it should say 4 comments.
Just in case it is my comment that you are not able to see, I am copying and pasting it here and hopefully you will see it:
So, your God sees all things and knows all things. Great. If I came across a man raping a 9-year-old girl, without hesitation I would do everything in my power to stop him.
God, on the other hand, just closes the door and says, "Go ahead and finish... I'll punish you later."
God has the means to stop this, and yet he doesn't. Obviously, God values the rapist's free will to rape more than the victim's free will of not wanting to be raped.
By the way, if this rapist TRULY and SINCERELY repents afterwards, and God is convinced that he has indeed accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior, he will not be punished. How about that!
@@Generatorman59 Hypothetically if there was a God who prevented anyone from harming someone else by physical absolute force then you would believe the God revealed by Christ? To get experience using choice and seeing consequences the bad has to be just as possible as the good. You seem to like some imaginary dark prison of totalitarian morality that you’ve put yourself in, people need to choose not to harm each other by their own will or they are automatons and your God level force would make meaningful consequence impossible. I don’t think you have prevented many cases of harm, not nearly as many as occur so you are basing your reasoning on fantasy. People moving away from God centered values shows to only increase people’s behavior in oppression, lying, and harming each other. Selfishly living in a fantasy where nobody’s will can harm or help isn’t kindness it’s an even greater cruelty.