John Dudley says that your release hand should match the 45 degree of your bow hand. I don’t think you want to put your hand flat on your face, hence the pinky in the ear problem, I know you’ve been watching him so thought I’d put it out there
Yes, release hand should mimic same 45 degree angle as bow hand. Straight up and down like you had it positions the string further away from face, which makes to have to adjust your head to the string more. Not ideal.
Hey...you know i've been a follower for a few years...and you bust on yourself for 'tangents', @4:31 but, THAT is exactly what So many need to consider when they are fixin, stringin, or settin up their gear = ) Jus sayn...Stay Strong Allie and Nick.
Just bought my first handheld today, Spot Hogg Whipper Snapper. I couldn’t believe how natural it felt. I was very skeptical and didn’t think it would be as comfortable as my wrist release. I was wrong My shot improved as well, so bonus! The only “drawback” hehe, I can see is it not being as concealed and easy to cary in the elk woods as a wrist release. Easy to lose without tether. I actually used an old wrist strap with nylon strap. Replaced nylon strap with some long d loop and onto my thumb release. I can tuck it in the wrist strap when not using. Works pretty well, but a little bulky. Thanks for the review!
When going from wrist release to handheld, draw length will generally have to change a bit as you're bringing your hand closer to the actually string. Could be another reason why youre having to adjust position as well.
I watched this video just before I saw yours! A couple things definitely change when switching between a wrist and handheld release. I’m making the switch to handheld th-cam.com/video/-tntfHcT9-Y/w-d-xo.html
Allie here is the Bowmar Bowhunting video: How To Turn Any Thumb Button Release Into a Hinge Release! | Bowmar Bowhunting |. Will help you should you decide to try a different release.
Ok I’ll subscribe. Bare with me I’m gonna give you some priceless information for free. All strings lose draw weight over time. Add it back by adding a twist to your cables and using a draw board to keep your cams in sync. I’d also like to see you straighten your bow arm out and keep your shoulder down. That will involve less muscle for stability. You MAY find your draw length will then shorten. The reason your hand is so far back is because of the long neck on that style of thumb release which I am not a fan of. For cheap and quality purpose try a hot shot vapor. Next your peep alignment will change anytime you switch releases and anchor points. Once you practice and get comfortable you can really fine tune draw length with your d loop and twists in string. Did I mention straighten bow arm and lower shoulder. Use your skeletal structure to hold the bow and less muscle you should see less pin float and a crisper release.
I have the same release, I get what your saying, it's a bit weird to get use to it. Finding the right anchor point will take time and changing your peep sight to match. One thing I started to do is when I'm ready to shot, I put my thumb on the trigger and I push it forward to make sure it wont fire before time or by mistake. Something to think about. Stay safe and love the videos!
I think deer hunting is probably the best to prepare for. I’m from a non hunting family but really enjoyed learning to deer hunt. I use archery equipment but using a crossbow or a long gun is probably better for a beginner, just less going on with learning the weapon. Get a friend by getting on some online forums and you’ll find many people will help you.
I use the same exact one. I took the barrel off mine where you normally put your thumb. Works great! I also moved the set screw to make a little more sensitive.
Just found you and happy I did. I am a brand new female archer and I want tips from a female. Not to say I don't learn from you guys, I do. However, when it comes to equipment and being small of stature and handed, I need a females opinion. I bought a release and even through it said for a young archer, it interferes with my trying to get the arrow on. My coach suggested a Tru Ball Fang mini so I would like to see a video by a female use it if possible. Until then I want to see if a handheld would be better for me than the strap. Also, I want one with better safety than the one I have as an arrow got away from me when I didn't touch the trigger. I'm panicked enough learning, don't need to be worrying over any misfires. Since I like to load at a more downward angle before pulling up, it just flew a few inches above the floor before landing and skidding across the range floor. I never want to experience this again if I can help it with a new release with better firing safety.
I am super happy with my three finger release. My groups are finally starting to tighten up. Though the cold yesterday hurt my Three finger release a lot. Cough cough Recurve bow shooting instinctive
I'm shooting a hundred-year-old primitive Lakota Sioux bow. Bow length is 40 inches. Shooting 28 inch arrows for stability draw length is at 22 inches. Draw weight at 70lbs. I'm right-handed with the arrow shooting off the right side of the bow witch helps a lot. 40 yards is max for me at a 20 inch target.
Do not go to a smaller hole peep unless you are shooting bullseye competition, the larger hole peep in made for hunting situation. Peeps are made for quick acquisition and putting your front sight on target.
The main benefit in my opinion , I had the same release is the fact that it allows me to hold the string like a regular tool or a wrench it lets me compress my fore arm this gives me more control and allows me to pull more draw weight. Basically when I was using the traditional release I was not able to pull the bow, with this release I can shoot 60 shots and have no issues with the draw weight . I am not an expert this is my first bow please test this in Cabelas before you buy .
you want your hand more at a 45* angle to your face Also, draw the bow with your thumb on the other side of the button, once at anchor move your thumb to the shooting side
I'm shooting a hundred-year-old primitive Lakota Sioux bow. Bow length is 40 inches. Shooting 28 inch arrows for stability draw length is at 22 inches. Draw weight at 70lbs. I'm right-handed with the arrow shooting off the right side of the bow witch helps a lot. 40 yards is max for me at a 20 inch target
Allie, you will want to try several thumb releases like I have. If you watch the pros use them they pull with a flat hand then turn your knuckles into your face for anchoring. Any release will change the draw length and feel. It took me awhile to get use to it as well takes a long time to master the release which is perfect when hunting season is not in session! You will also begin to see your accuracy go up!!!! Have fun and of course please be safe.......Mike
You need a Bonus Ring silicone ring to make your housing bigger. Check them out. A guy here in Michigan makes them, he helped me at my first 3D shoot. I have the opposite problem actually. Tiny peep, big housing and it may be making my accuracy bad. I also use that truball pro. I picked it off of the rack at Bass Pro and haven't looked back. They had a 90 day return policy so I figure if I didn't like it....
Congrats on mastering the thumb release! If you're looking to dump that Scott dual caliper molded grip release.....I mean, I could....I suppose....give it a loving home where it would be taken on long walks, and given plenty of exercise. And nutritious, organic meals to keep in tip top shape and all.
Great video! I am wanting to change to a thumb release but do not know enough about them. I appreciate seeing a womens point of view on this item, not many out there to watch. I now know what to ask when I plan on purchasing one, I am at that point of wanting to change a few things out on my bow, knowing what I want but not sure if it will give it to me, may need to build another, and not looking forward to the cost. Thanks for your personal opinion and I love how you demonstrate in a way that is true reality!
I used the brass knocking point you cramp onto your string in place of a peep. Just one on top and one on bottom of my peep where the serving was to tie on my peep. I know guys that just tie on a thick serving as well. Then I adjusted my sight just a tiny bit as I look to the left side of my string vs with a peep I looked thru the string if you will.
Love the content. Keep these awesome videos coming. You probably already know this but better to share than not I suppose. I think someone else may have mentioned this but I'll try to add some brief detail. When gripping the bow, we've all be told to have our knuckles at 45º. With a thumb release, you'll want your release hand to "mirror" the angle of your front hand...45º. Dudley has mentioned keeping a "flat hand" as correct form with this style of release because it keeps your DL consistent. Flat hand grip=good / Hand flat against your face = "pinky in the ear" situation (basically putting your bow hand at 45º and your release hand at closer to 90º.) Stoked to see some follow up videos on perhaps other styles of thumb releases.
I totally agree 8:40 you adjusting your head towards an perceived anchor-point. That will be hard when u need consistency in your anchor, which is your head :D.
When you change releases, you may very well have to change your peep height due to finding a comfortable anchor. On the first few shots you talked about moving your head and it not feeling right. Close your eyes. Draw back and anchor. Then open your eyes and see if you need to adjust your peep. I ran into this when I wanted to practice with the carter evolution and ended up buying a Carter sensation (thumb release) because it has the same profile and I can use them interchangeably with the same anchor.
Allie, you are doing good with the thumb release. You will find that your anchor point and peep do change a little. You would have to make a minor adjustment to that, this would make you feel more comfortable to use the thumb release. they do take a little getting used to. John Dudley does have a few videos on how to use the thumb release. If you message or comment on him he does get back to you with good advice. Just a thought and my opinion. I have switched to the thumb release a couple yrs ago and he was able to help me used this a lot better and adjust my set up. I love the release for hunting and I can leave it on my string. a big plus for me. Keep up the good work and practice
@@OutdoorsAllie Your welcome. I just remember when I first tried the thumb release I hated it. I could not get my anchor point or peep to align. It was after seeing John Dudley's video and messaging him that I found out my set up had to be adjusted. Now in love with the thing. Just so you know, My two daughters love your channel. We watch your video's a lot. They like me love archery and to stalk hunt deer with the bow, Thanks again, James
Switching to a thumb release will change pretty much your entire form and will take some getting used to. It's just such a drastic change from a finger release, but keep shooting it as much as you can and I'm sure you'll love it!
I actually went with no peep last year. It took 1 day to get used to and not 1 thing changed with my group. I actually found I have 1 less variable to worry about and find my sight line much faster.
Hello you were taking about going with a smaller peep I don't suggest that cause if your like me and get in the woods early and your in the tree and here comes the buck of a life time you look to line up your sights and since you went smaller now you can't see your pins cant get the deer in the peep. Learn from my experience.
Hello allie I'm back, I gotta a question for ya, I have a sweet little sniper surprise thought process, it's very possible, but does take some work, my door is open,
You should maintain the release you’re already comfortable with. You’re “trained” with it so no rethinking/relearning. The newer bow strings don’t stretch like the strings of 10-15 years ago. Check for fraying etc if you need to change it. There was a time it was a good idea to change it every other year. Not anymore. I’ve taken a couple deer, quail and grouse with a string around 5 years old.
On the last 2 shots u show your bow hand which is good as far as the 45* to 60* angle. Your draw is smooth & with no wasted motion. What is new 2 u is your anchor. Using different style releases does not change your draw length, just your anchor point. YOU R drawing your bow very well past your face & bringing it back in very well @ full draw. Just correct the angle of your release 2 match or mirror your bowhand. I don't need 2 tell u that u r @ 90*. Finding the spot on your jawbone where the knuckle on your index finger is under the jaw & the middle knuckle just slightly above. Not all 4 knuckles resting in no particular place on your face. You are 90% there. Just need the brain & muscle memory 2 become 1🧠💪.
I'd recommend you try the Raptor Peep by Hamskea if you end up switching! It comes in both 1/4" and 3/16" and you can install it at 40 degrees if you have a shorter draw or 35 degrees for a longer draw. I never put much thought into my hunting peeps, but it makes a pretty big difference when it comes to eliminating glare when shooting into the sun because of the baffles on the ID of the peep. It is heavier than a traditional peep, but it wasn't enough of a difference to affect vertical impact on my sight tape. Mileage may vary on your bow since you are shooting less than 72lbs draw weight, however!
Take a 2”x2” white cardboard and attach it to your target, then as you shoot aim one arrow at each corner. It will give you 4 shots and no fear of hitting another arrow. If you can just touch each corner of the cardboard you will get better at aiming, shooting at large dots will get you in the area but the corners will get you accurate.good luck.
check out specialty archery peeps, i run their hooded peep. It keeps out a little bit more sun light but the cool part about this peep system is you can screw in/out different peep sizes. For me indoor archery I run a 1/16th peep, once i start shooting outdoors i jump to the next size up 3/3 and once hunting season prep gets here I screw in a different size.. All without changing out your peep. I carry the peep kit with me to all of my shoots incase the lighting is off from what im used too. Whatever the situation, 10 seconds and i have good peep to scope housig fit.
Try a Tru Ball Abyss Flex, and it's matching hinge Fulkrum Flex, I have both and prob won't be going back to the Carter Wise Choice/1st Choice releases I have. Edit: FYI you can order separate scope sizes from HHA, I run the XL (2" diameter") scope on my 3d bow, coupled with a 1/8" clarifier peep, it's damned near perfect. Also , put your thumb on the back side of the thumb barrel as you draw, prevents misfires. I should really watch the whole vid first lol. Thumb release changes your anchor, your peep will more than likely have to move up as your anchor is now lower
GREAT review, especially from the perspective of an experienced archer that is trying something new!!! I think I'm going to try a Tru-Fire with a rotating head as my first thumb style experiment. I think, (as you had issue with), I would not like my 4th and 5th metacarpals jamming into my face and ear. Once again, a great review. Thanks!
The Tru-Fire with a rotating head is a great intro to thumb release bow hunting. Harvested 2 so far. I'm stepping up to a higher end thumb release during the off season but can't say enough good things about my tru-fire. Go for it.
Even watching you draw your regular release early in the vid, I thought maybe your draw was 1/4" too long. Great form though!! I was a PTA and am a posture nazi...your's is perfect!
Allie try a hook design thumb I shoot the truball caliber thumb it's ok but I but the hook is cleaner shoots with the Dloop and it feels shorter than the jaws of the caliber style.
Now that general hunting has ended here I'm getting around to trying some different releases that have been in sitting in the bow bag for awhile. One of them is the same Try Fire index one in this video, the other is a 3-finger thumb release that doesn't have the 360-degree rotating clamp unfortunately. Nice looking bow stand.
Woah!!! Ok, where to start. You're not using the release correctly. You don't use your thumb to press the trigger. First of all you don't need to have the back of your hand flat against your face. Your pinky side can be away from your face at a 30*-45* angle. I still use the forefinger knuckle to anchor against my jaw bone. Squeeze more with your forefinger so your pinky rotates forward more at the start. Then, your thumb wraps around the trigger until your thumb touches your forefinger. The barrel of the trigger probably needs adjusted/rolled a little to allow you to do that and not have the trigger go off. Once in that position, you can settle in your pin on your target. Then when you get your pin settled, you start squeezing you shoulder blades together (back tension), as you do this, your right elbow will start to drop just a little which causes you pinky to start rotating back, this will gently press the trigger into your thumb thus causing it to release. This is worded overly simplified and a little confusing but the best I can do in a hurry. The thumb release and hinge work similarly in that the release works off rotation not pressing of the trigger. Hope this makes sense, if not, let me know and I'll try to explain better. Love that you're trying new things, Keep it up!! I would also look at getting a thumb release or hinge without the head on it. I prefer just the hook.
If that's a spothogg sight, they make screw on rings that change the size of the sight-housing... Turn your release hand , it's too straight up and down. Move your pinky, one to two inches away from your ear.. Put your index knuckle on your jaw line.. Just my opinion.. Give it one more try. You don't have-to film it, just try it for a couple more shots.
I can't draw back like that now. The long head of my biceps tendon slips out of the sulcus of my proximal humerus. Freaking hurts,...thus I lift the bow over my head and as I bring it down I push-pull the load. It works and also prevents smacking yourself in the mouth if your release fails.
@@OutdoorsAllie yep made it through 4 months of PTA school before I got washed out, and I was a massage therapist for 5 years. I don't just make stupid statements you know.😂
Hi Allie, I tried the same release. I found some other pointers that made these releases more comfortable to me. Try it as a rocker style release where you manipulate the release with your pinky and you use the base of your thumb to activate trigger kind of like a rocker style. Helps with more element of surprise on shooting. Go to Bowmar Bowhunting site as he does a great job demonstrating how to work the release. Keep up the awesome work.
You really should try the carter evolution back tension release... I’ve had it for two week and am now shooting great at 60 yards... can no longer shoot at the same spot within 40 because I broke 5 arrows 3 days ago... I’ve only been shooting a bow for 2 months total.
2 things 1st, I had the same issue. I had a wagon wheel peep and couldnt get super accurate. I downsized and improved my shots 10 fold 2nd, you could also try an IQ site. They have an eye above the site that you can easily center. Check them out
I've just recently been trying a thumb release - as in maybe 20 shots - and I don't know what to do with my thumb. I've half-launched a few arrows. I'm going to keep trying, but it's a huge learning curve from my index release.
1/8 " peep is probably what you need,,Your HHA size is fine,,,the bigger the housing on the scope, the more weight out front.Sounds like you need to go to a good Mathews dealer, some some tips.And,,the bow is designed to be let out just so much,,,,a good thing for you to talk to the Mathews dealer, about.Speed up the learning curve.
Have you ever thought about shooting without a peep. You pick up at least 5 or 6 F.P.S. what you do is keep your pins but put behind it a circle sight and you use that as a peep. I hunt with nothing on my string I gain about 24 plus F.P.S. I shoot a 40 pound bow doing almost 300 f.p.s. thats the jam.
Not sure if you would remember but with the thumb release did you think it helped pull the set poundage better? If so, do you think you could up the poundage because of it.
So what do you do to really embrace a thumb release? Shorten draw length? Adjust peep and kisser button up or down? All your talk about making sure you release while drawing back. Makes me wonder why you don’t just try a tension release... no buttons just releases on draw.
I bought the same release last year. Just tried it out today. I had a few, how do you say,? Premature arrow launching... lol luckily that arrow only went 2 feet and didn't have enough energy really launch it. I guess that's why its called practice.... lol
from a viewer's perspective it's slightly jarring that when you draw the bow to the release there is a cut in the video. Makes me wonder is this footage the same shot as you drew or is this a 2nd take? I found myself distracted by the cuts in the footage. Otherwise cool video, I don't know anything about bows.
@@OutdoorsAllie As a beginning archer (haven't shot for 20 years back in school), that was exactly what I wanted to see. Posture, mindset, timing, etc. Still a good video. Ordered my first wrist release yesterday after watching.
would like to see you follow through a little more with your release hand. needs to relax just a little more. and the release may be a little big for your hand. you might try a 3 finger release and that may feel a little more comfortable against your face. some of the thumb style releases can get pricey. if you have a local shop near you ask if you can try a couple different types. but to me this looks like the release "style" that might be best for you.
Randy Wallis to me that doesn’t feel natural and thinking from a body mechanics it doesn’t make sense to engage chest and get a posterior curve of spine.
It’s_Tommy Tommy it may not feel right or work correctly. I use a strap but thought that by reversing her hand it may work better since she was complaining about the way your fingers lay against her face
Tommy I have been bow hunting since 1975 got my first deer 4 years ago. I went on a 10 day safari in South Africa in 2012 and took 7 animals which included an SCI record Wildebeest my very first archery kill. If I could get your email address I will send you some pictures
Randy: that’s awesome Champion. I believe ya. You should do a TH-cam slide show.id be down to check it out. So have you done recurve among with compound?
I notice you rely on that kisser button too much…. Took along time setting yourself up for a shot… I’m at 65lb draw, and I want to get to anchor a release as fluid as possible without the tiring hang on. Knowing your anchor point is better than trying to base it off a button…. What happens when your out in the field and your button flies off? Seen it happen before. Happened to me in the beginning of my archery life, and I was quickly moved away from that by the archery club I shoot at. For me, my anchor is nose to string and index finger second knuckle, locked in under my ear in the indentation between ear and jaw. I’m here watching this because I’m tired of my wrist sling clapping around in the tree stand and just not being ideal when shooting with gloves
@@OutdoorsAllie same here…. One of those relying tools that every beginner archer uses thinking it’s a necessity…. It’s a good tool for someone whose never shot a bow to know how high and where the bow should be at ancho point. Once the anchor position is established with memory, the kisser should come off so they can hone the rest of their positioning and skill. I ditched the kisser ( had mine fly off) I started anchoring better and shooting better groups. I’ve been shooting a few years without one and I can say I’m very accurate to 50 yard shots. After 50 yards I don’t even bother, just because it’s hard to see an 18x18!archery block target out past 50
There is no such thing as, This device is it, that doesn't exist, the end all to be all, cause just when you think you might actually have it, it's guaranteed to change,
Maybe it’s just me, but your draw length looks a little short. Your bow arm looks bent too much, which will cause fatigue. But my wife calls me a dummy all the time, so just might be that.
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John Dudley says that your release hand should match the 45 degree of your bow hand. I don’t think you want to put your hand flat on your face, hence the pinky in the ear problem, I know you’ve been watching him so thought I’d put it out there
Yes, release hand should mimic same 45 degree angle as bow hand. Straight up and down like you had it positions the string further away from face, which makes to have to adjust your head to the string more. Not ideal.
Nock on nation John Dudley changed my life 🤟🏽
Hey...you know i've been a follower for a few years...and you bust on yourself for 'tangents', @4:31 but, THAT is exactly what So many need to consider when they are fixin, stringin, or settin up their gear = ) Jus sayn...Stay Strong Allie and Nick.
Thanks. You as well!
If you are thinking about getting a thumb button get the truball goat because it can switch between back tension and thumb button
Interesting!
Just bought my first handheld today, Spot Hogg Whipper Snapper. I couldn’t believe how natural it felt. I was very skeptical and didn’t think it would be as comfortable as my wrist release. I was wrong My shot improved as well, so bonus! The only “drawback” hehe, I can see is it not being as concealed and easy to cary in the elk woods as a wrist release. Easy to lose without tether. I actually used an old wrist strap with nylon strap. Replaced nylon strap with some long d loop and onto my thumb release. I can tuck it in the wrist strap when not using. Works pretty well, but a little bulky. Thanks for the review!
Glad to hear that! I'll look it up!
When going from wrist release to handheld, draw length will generally have to change a bit as you're bringing your hand closer to the actually string. Could be another reason why youre having to adjust position as well.
Yes, good point!
I watched this video just before I saw yours! A couple things definitely change when switching between a wrist and handheld release. I’m making the switch to handheld th-cam.com/video/-tntfHcT9-Y/w-d-xo.html
Allie here is the Bowmar Bowhunting video: How To Turn Any Thumb Button Release Into a Hinge Release! | Bowmar Bowhunting |. Will help you should you decide to try a different release.
The bow Mars are stupid they are trying to reinvent the wheel. Just so they can look cool.
Ok I’ll subscribe. Bare with me I’m gonna give you some priceless information for free. All strings lose draw weight over time. Add it back by adding a twist to your cables and using a draw board to keep your cams in sync. I’d also like to see you straighten your bow arm out and keep your shoulder down. That will involve less muscle for stability. You MAY find your draw length will then shorten. The reason your hand is so far back is because of the long neck on that style of thumb release which I am not a fan of. For cheap and quality purpose try a hot shot vapor. Next your peep alignment will change anytime you switch releases and anchor points. Once you practice and get comfortable you can really fine tune draw length with your d loop and twists in string. Did I mention straighten bow arm and lower shoulder. Use your skeletal structure to hold the bow and less muscle you should see less pin float and a crisper release.
Thanks for the feedback wallis!
I have the same release, I get what your saying, it's a bit weird to get use to it. Finding the right anchor point will take time and changing your peep sight to match. One thing I started to do is when I'm ready to shot, I put my thumb on the trigger and I push it forward to make sure it wont fire before time or by mistake. Something to think about. Stay safe and love the videos!
Thanks Ruben. stay safe!
I think deer hunting is probably the best to prepare for. I’m from a non hunting family but really enjoyed learning to deer hunt. I use archery equipment but using a crossbow or a long gun is probably better for a beginner, just less going on with learning the weapon. Get a friend by getting on some online forums and you’ll find many people will help you.
For sure!
I use the same exact one. I took the barrel off mine where you normally put your thumb. Works great! I also moved the set screw to make a little more sensitive.
Interesting. Thanks for the new idea!
I use the Tru-Ball Champ 3-finger model. I just purchased it, and I'm looking forward to field-testing it.
Have fun with it!
I HATED the thumb release... At first.... Now the old release... I can't deal with it LOL
Just found you and happy I did. I am a brand new female archer and I want tips from a female. Not to say I don't learn from you guys, I do. However, when it comes to equipment and being small of stature and handed, I need a females opinion.
I bought a release and even through it said for a young archer, it interferes with my trying to get the arrow on. My coach suggested a Tru Ball Fang mini so I would like to see a video by a female use it if possible. Until then I want to see if a handheld would be better for me than the strap. Also, I want one with better safety than the one I have as an arrow got away from me when I didn't touch the trigger. I'm panicked enough learning, don't need to be worrying over any misfires. Since I like to load at a more downward angle before pulling up, it just flew a few inches above the floor before landing and skidding across the range floor. I never want to experience this again if I can help it with a new release with better firing safety.
Yikes, lesson learned! Thanks for passing along your story. Thanks for watching!!
I am super happy with my three finger release. My groups are finally starting to tighten up. Though the cold yesterday hurt my Three finger release a lot. Cough cough Recurve bow shooting instinctive
LOL
I'm shooting a hundred-year-old primitive Lakota Sioux bow. Bow length is 40 inches. Shooting 28 inch arrows for stability draw length is at 22 inches. Draw weight at 70lbs. I'm right-handed with the arrow shooting off the right side of the bow witch helps a lot. 40 yards is max for me at a 20 inch target.
Do not go to a smaller hole peep unless you are shooting bullseye competition, the larger hole peep in made for hunting situation. Peeps are made for quick acquisition and putting your front sight on target.
The main benefit in my opinion , I had the same release is the fact that it allows me to hold the string like a regular tool or a wrench it lets me compress my fore arm this gives me more control and allows me to pull more draw weight. Basically when I was using the traditional release I was not able to pull the bow, with this release I can shoot 60 shots and have no issues with the draw weight . I am not an expert this is my first bow please test this in Cabelas before you buy .
Agreed.
Allie thank you for these videos! I am very new to Archery but very much in love with it, it’s great to follow these videos, learning a lot!
So glad to hear that. Thanks for watching Amber!
you want your hand more at a 45* angle to your face
Also, draw the bow with your thumb on the other side of the button, once at anchor move your thumb to the shooting side
Thanks for the feedback Steph and Keith!
I'm shooting a hundred-year-old primitive Lakota Sioux bow. Bow length is 40 inches. Shooting 28 inch arrows for stability draw length is at 22 inches. Draw weight at 70lbs. I'm right-handed with the arrow shooting off the right side of the bow witch helps a lot. 40 yards is max for me at a 20 inch target
Wow, thats awesome.
Allie, you will want to try several thumb releases like I have. If you watch the pros use them they pull with a flat hand then turn your knuckles into your face for anchoring. Any release will change the draw length and feel. It took me awhile to get use to it as well takes a long time to master the release which is perfect when hunting season is not in session!
You will also begin to see your accuracy go up!!!! Have fun and of course please be safe.......Mike
For sure. Thanks for watching Mike!
You need a Bonus Ring silicone ring to make your housing bigger. Check them out. A guy here in Michigan makes them, he helped me at my first 3D shoot. I have the opposite problem actually. Tiny peep, big housing and it may be making my accuracy bad. I also use that truball pro. I picked it off of the rack at Bass Pro and haven't looked back. They had a 90 day return policy so I figure if I didn't like it....
Thanks for the tip!
Congrats on mastering the thumb release! If you're looking to dump that Scott dual caliper molded grip release.....I mean, I could....I suppose....give it a loving home where it would be taken on long walks, and given plenty of exercise. And nutritious, organic meals to keep in tip top shape and all.
hahahahahah I was actually thinking about doing a giveaway at some point...
I agree with what adam says, but if you do change to a handheld release your draw length will need to be length a bit so your anchor will be correct.
Ok, good to note.
Great video! I am wanting to change to a thumb release but do not know enough about them. I appreciate seeing a womens point of view on this item, not many out there to watch. I now know what to ask when I plan on purchasing one, I am at that point of wanting to change a few things out on my bow, knowing what I want but not sure if it will give it to me, may need to build another, and not looking forward to the cost. Thanks for your personal opinion and I love how you demonstrate in a way that is true reality!
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it!
I used the brass knocking point you cramp onto your string in place of a peep. Just one on top and one on bottom of my peep where the serving was to tie on my peep. I know guys that just tie on a thick serving as well. Then I adjusted my sight just a tiny bit as I look to the left side of my string vs with a peep I looked thru the string if you will.
Interesting. Seems like it would take some getting used to!
Love the content. Keep these awesome videos coming. You probably already know this but better to share than not I suppose. I think someone else may have mentioned this but I'll try to add some brief detail. When gripping the bow, we've all be told to have our knuckles at 45º. With a thumb release, you'll want your release hand to "mirror" the angle of your front hand...45º. Dudley has mentioned keeping a "flat hand" as correct form with this style of release because it keeps your DL consistent. Flat hand grip=good / Hand flat against your face = "pinky in the ear" situation (basically putting your bow hand at 45º and your release hand at closer to 90º.) Stoked to see some follow up videos on perhaps other styles of thumb releases.
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it!
I totally agree 8:40 you adjusting your head towards an perceived anchor-point. That will be hard when u need consistency in your anchor, which is your head :D.
True.
Enjoyed the video, Allie. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it!
When you change releases, you may very well have to change your peep height due to finding a comfortable anchor. On the first few shots you talked about moving your head and it not feeling right. Close your eyes. Draw back and anchor. Then open your eyes and see if you need to adjust your peep. I ran into this when I wanted to practice with the carter evolution and ended up buying a Carter sensation (thumb release) because it has the same profile and I can use them interchangeably with the same anchor.
Seems to be the case.
Another good informational archery video. Thanks, Allie (and Nick).
Thanks Ross!
Allie, you are doing good with the thumb release. You will find that your anchor point and peep do change a little. You would have to make a minor adjustment to that, this would make you feel more comfortable to use the thumb release. they do take a little getting used to. John Dudley does have a few videos on how to use the thumb release. If you message or comment on him he does get back to you with good advice. Just a thought and my opinion. I have switched to the thumb release a couple yrs ago and he was able to help me used this a lot better and adjust my set up. I love the release for hunting and I can leave it on my string. a big plus for me. Keep up the good work and practice
Good to know. Thanks James!
@@OutdoorsAllie Your welcome. I just remember when I first tried the thumb release I hated it. I could not get my anchor point or peep to align. It was after seeing John Dudley's video and messaging him that I found out my set up had to be adjusted. Now in love with the thing. Just so you know, My two daughters love your channel. We watch your video's a lot. They like me love archery and to stalk hunt deer with the bow, Thanks again, James
Switching to a thumb release will change pretty much your entire form and will take some getting used to. It's just such a drastic change from a finger release, but keep shooting it as much as you can and I'm sure you'll love it!
I think i will to!
I actually went with no peep last year. It took 1 day to get used to and not 1 thing changed with my group. I actually found I have 1 less variable to worry about and find my sight line much faster.
Whoa, intersting.
Hello you were taking about going with a smaller peep I don't suggest that cause if your like me and get in the woods early and your in the tree and here comes the buck of a life time you look to line up your sights and since you went smaller now you can't see your pins cant get the deer in the peep. Learn from my experience.
Hello allie I'm back, I gotta a question for ya, I have a sweet little sniper surprise thought process, it's very possible, but does take some work, my door is open,
You should maintain the release you’re already comfortable with. You’re “trained” with it so no rethinking/relearning. The newer bow strings don’t stretch like the strings of 10-15 years ago. Check for fraying etc if you need to change it. There was a time it was a good idea to change it every other year. Not anymore. I’ve taken a couple deer, quail and grouse with a string around 5 years old.
Good point.
Update truball is discontinuing the Boss X SOOooo, I picked up a Carter insatiable 3,.........so happy!!!
Dang! I wonder why.
You should have your bow draw length and peep set to that release before you make up your mind.
On the last 2 shots u show your bow hand which is good as far as the 45* to 60* angle. Your draw is smooth & with no wasted motion. What is new 2 u is your anchor. Using different style releases does not change your draw length, just your anchor point. YOU R drawing your bow very well past your face & bringing it back in very well @ full draw. Just correct the angle of your release 2 match or mirror your bowhand. I don't need 2 tell u that u r @ 90*. Finding the spot on your jawbone where the knuckle on your index finger is under the jaw & the middle knuckle just slightly above. Not all 4 knuckles resting in no particular place on your face. You are 90% there. Just need the brain & muscle memory 2 become 1🧠💪.
Thanks for the feedback Joe!
I'd recommend you try the Raptor Peep by Hamskea if you end up switching! It comes in both 1/4" and 3/16" and you can install it at 40 degrees if you have a shorter draw or 35 degrees for a longer draw. I never put much thought into my hunting peeps, but it makes a pretty big difference when it comes to eliminating glare when shooting into the sun because of the baffles on the ID of the peep. It is heavier than a traditional peep, but it wasn't enough of a difference to affect vertical impact on my sight tape. Mileage may vary on your bow since you are shooting less than 72lbs draw weight, however!
Thanks for the feedback.
Take a 2”x2” white cardboard and attach it to your target, then as you shoot aim one arrow at each corner. It will give you 4 shots and no fear of hitting another arrow. If you can just touch each corner of the cardboard you will get better at aiming, shooting at large dots will get you in the area but the corners will get you accurate.good luck.
Thanks for the tip jay.
check out specialty archery peeps, i run their hooded peep. It keeps out a little bit more sun light but the cool part about this peep system is you can screw in/out different peep sizes. For me indoor archery I run a 1/16th peep, once i start shooting outdoors i jump to the next size up 3/3 and once hunting season prep gets here I screw in a different size.. All without changing out your peep. I carry the peep kit with me to all of my shoots incase the lighting is off from what im used too. Whatever the situation, 10 seconds and i have good peep to scope housig fit.
I'll check it out!
I'd love to find a scott hand held index release like your's
They're hard to find!
@@OutdoorsAllie even harder up here 😂😂
Try a Tru Ball Abyss Flex, and it's matching hinge Fulkrum Flex, I have both and prob won't be going back to the Carter Wise Choice/1st Choice releases I have. Edit: FYI you can order separate scope sizes from HHA, I run the XL (2" diameter") scope on my 3d bow, coupled with a 1/8" clarifier peep, it's damned near perfect. Also , put your thumb on the back side of the thumb barrel as you draw, prevents misfires. I should really watch the whole vid first lol. Thumb release changes your anchor, your peep will more than likely have to move up as your anchor is now lower
I'll check it out!
GREAT review, especially from the perspective of an experienced archer that is trying something new!!! I think I'm going to try a Tru-Fire with a rotating head as my first thumb style experiment. I think, (as you had issue with), I would not like my 4th and 5th metacarpals jamming into my face and ear. Once again, a great review. Thanks!
The Tru-Fire with a rotating head is a great intro to thumb release bow hunting. Harvested 2 so far. I'm stepping up to a higher end thumb release during the off season but can't say enough good things about my tru-fire. Go for it.
Even watching you draw your regular release early in the vid, I thought maybe your draw was 1/4" too long. Great form though!! I was a PTA and am a posture nazi...your's is perfect!
Allie try a hook design thumb I shoot the truball caliber thumb it's ok but I but the hook is cleaner shoots with the Dloop and it feels shorter than the jaws of the caliber style.
I'll look into it! Thanks raymond!
Now that general hunting has ended here I'm getting around to trying some different releases that have been in sitting in the bow bag for awhile. One of them is the same Try Fire index one in this video, the other is a 3-finger thumb release that doesn't have the 360-degree rotating clamp unfortunately. Nice looking bow stand.
Always fun to try new stuff!
@@OutdoorsAllie Sure is!
Woah!!! Ok, where to start. You're not using the release correctly. You don't use your thumb to press the trigger. First of all you don't need to have the back of your hand flat against your face. Your pinky side can be away from your face at a 30*-45* angle. I still use the forefinger knuckle to anchor against my jaw bone. Squeeze more with your forefinger so your pinky rotates forward more at the start. Then, your thumb wraps around the trigger until your thumb touches your forefinger. The barrel of the trigger probably needs adjusted/rolled a little to allow you to do that and not have the trigger go off. Once in that position, you can settle in your pin on your target. Then when you get your pin settled, you start squeezing you shoulder blades together (back tension), as you do this, your right elbow will start to drop just a little which causes you pinky to start rotating back, this will gently press the trigger into your thumb thus causing it to release. This is worded overly simplified and a little confusing but the best I can do in a hurry. The thumb release and hinge work similarly in that the release works off rotation not pressing of the trigger. Hope this makes sense, if not, let me know and I'll try to explain better. Love that you're trying new things, Keep it up!! I would also look at getting a thumb release or hinge without the head on it. I prefer just the hook.
Thanks for all of the feedback David.
If that's a spothogg sight, they make screw on rings that change the size of the sight-housing...
Turn your release hand , it's too straight up and down.
Move your pinky, one to two inches away from your ear.. Put your index knuckle on your jaw line.. Just my opinion.. Give it one more try. You don't have-to film it, just try it for a couple more shots.
Ok, thanks for the tip Tim. Its an HHA sight.
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I can't draw back like that now. The long head of my biceps tendon slips out of the sulcus of my proximal humerus. Freaking hurts,...thus I lift the bow over my head and as I bring it down I push-pull the load. It works and also prevents smacking yourself in the mouth if your release fails.
Yikes, bicep injuries are nasty. Hope it gets better.
@@OutdoorsAllie yep made it through 4 months of PTA school before I got washed out, and I was a massage therapist for 5 years. I don't just make stupid statements you know.😂
Cool bow hanger 👍 my bow it uggggly but does the job
Thats all that counts!
Hi Allie, I tried the same release. I found some other pointers that made these releases more comfortable to me. Try it as a rocker style release where you manipulate the release with your pinky and you use the base of your thumb to activate trigger kind of like a rocker style. Helps with more element of surprise on shooting. Go to Bowmar Bowhunting site as he does a great job demonstrating how to work the release. Keep up the awesome work.
Thanks for the tip Gerry!
You really should try the carter evolution back tension release... I’ve had it for two week and am now shooting great at 60 yards... can no longer shoot at the same spot within 40 because I broke 5 arrows 3 days ago... I’ve only been shooting a bow for 2 months total.
Next on the list!
2 things
1st, I had the same issue. I had a wagon wheel peep and couldnt get super accurate. I downsized and improved my shots 10 fold
2nd, you could also try an IQ site. They have an eye above the site that you can easily center. Check them out
Patrick Coy : I use the IQ now site. I want to swap to the IQ one pin. That recital is pretty helpful huh?
@@TommyTactix for sure
Ok, thanks Patrick.
Maybe you should try alternating your releases... it can't hurt to try
Sure, why not!
Try the spot hogg keeton. I have one and love it. Its definitely easier on the shoulder.
Ok, I'll look it up!
I've just recently been trying a thumb release - as in maybe 20 shots - and I don't know what to do with my thumb. I've half-launched a few arrows. I'm going to keep trying, but it's a huge learning curve from my index release.
Hahahah been there!
Insane bokeh accomplished on the tumbnail! 😂
Also, technically, it's not "stealing", it's "permanently borrowing". 😉
LOL
your video is very good, the bad is that in Brazil this bow is very expensive, it makes a fishing video with bow
Thanks for watching Cristiano!
You should try a Truball Abyss.
I'll look it up!
1/8 " peep is probably what you need,,Your HHA size is fine,,,the bigger the housing on the scope, the more weight out front.Sounds like you need to go to a good Mathews dealer, some some tips.And,,the bow is designed to be let out just so much,,,,a good thing for you to talk to the Mathews dealer, about.Speed up the learning curve.
Good point.
The max pro will add about 1 inch of draw length
Good to know!
Have you ever thought about shooting without a peep. You pick up at least 5 or 6 F.P.S. what you do is keep your pins but put behind it a circle sight and you use that as a peep. I hunt with nothing on my string I gain about 24 plus F.P.S. I shoot a 40 pound bow doing almost 300 f.p.s. thats the jam.
Interesting. I feel like it might be tough to aim.
Not sure if you would remember but with the thumb release did you think it helped pull the set poundage better? If so, do you think you could up the poundage because of it.
Yes, actually I do think it feels a bit easier with the thumb button.
So what do you do to really embrace a thumb release? Shorten draw length? Adjust peep and kisser button up or down? All your talk about making sure you release while drawing back. Makes me wonder why you don’t just try a tension release... no buttons just releases on draw.
I know, i need to.
I bought the same release last year. Just tried it out today. I had a few, how do you say,? Premature arrow launching... lol luckily that arrow only went 2 feet and didn't have enough energy really launch it. I guess that's why its called practice.... lol
LOL been there!
Tell me more about your bow stand.
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Its pretty sweet!
@@OutdoorsAllie just ordered one with your link. Thanks! I've been looking for one for a while now
I've always shot a thumb release with my thumb not down.
Weird!
Great video Allie try America's best bow strings when u do your strings they r great !!!
I'll check it out! Thanks Steve.
Where do you buy the wonkie scott release??
It's really hard to find.
That’s a nice bow hanger
I dig it.
tell nick to buy you a release
Which release do you think is more comfortable for hunting
I haven't used the thumb button to hunt, so its impossible to say.
from a viewer's perspective it's slightly jarring that when you draw the bow to the release there is a cut in the video. Makes me wonder is this footage the same shot as you drew or is this a 2nd take? I found myself distracted by the cuts in the footage. Otherwise cool video, I don't know anything about bows.
Sorry, just didn't think anyone would want to see me at full draw for 10 seconds each time. Thanks for watching!
@@OutdoorsAllie As a beginning archer (haven't shot for 20 years back in school), that was exactly what I wanted to see. Posture, mindset, timing, etc. Still a good video. Ordered my first wrist release yesterday after watching.
its been a while , what are you thoughts ?
Still using my old Scott molded grip 😂
Good video great form ❤️🙏
Thanks Chuck!
How do I get my peep to stop rolling in the strings. It's a new string
It probably isn't tied in properly. The channel Bowmar Bowhunting has a good video on attaching it to your string very securely
Update on you home bow shop??
Yes, coming soon!
i’m literally holding the same exactly damn release whattttt
Thats awesome!
Outdoors Allie is there any way i can cure my target panic
1:08 She's perttier than a new set of snow tires:)
Ahem, I will see myself out ;)
Great video, Allie:) Thanks so much
LOL sure is!
Hi Allie
I like Bow Stand.
What ?
HME makes it. Heres a link...
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Allie.....Where's the cupholder on that bow ; )
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I have never been comfortable with using a thumb release.
Some people aren't.
peepless trash is the way to go !!
try yourself !!
would like to see you follow through a little more with your release hand. needs to relax just a little more. and the release may be a little big for your hand. you might try a 3 finger release and that may feel a little more comfortable against your face. some of the thumb style releases can get pricey. if you have a local shop near you ask if you can try a couple different types. but to me this looks like the release "style" that might be best for you.
Thanks for the feedback Eric!
So today is the day Nick lost his hand held release!!!!
hahahaha yes
Turn your hand towards your face so your fingertips are against your face and thumb on top.
Randy Wallis to me that doesn’t feel natural and thinking from a body mechanics it doesn’t make sense to engage chest and get a posterior curve of spine.
It’s_Tommy Tommy it may not feel right or work correctly. I use a strap but thought that by reversing her hand it may work better since she was complaining about the way your fingers lay against her face
Randy... let me say this: I am a medical professional an expert. Only 3rd season compound bow hunter so I am here to learn too.
Tommy I have been bow hunting since 1975 got my first deer 4 years ago. I went on a 10 day safari in South Africa in 2012 and took 7 animals which included an SCI record Wildebeest my very first archery kill. If I could get your email address I will send you some pictures
Randy: that’s awesome Champion. I believe ya. You should do a TH-cam slide show.id be down to check it out. So have you done recurve among with compound?
I notice you rely on that kisser button too much…. Took along time setting yourself up for a shot… I’m at 65lb draw, and I want to get to anchor a release as fluid as possible without the tiring hang on. Knowing your anchor point is better than trying to base it off a button…. What happens when your out in the field and your button flies off? Seen it happen before. Happened to me in the beginning of my archery life, and I was quickly moved away from that by the archery club I shoot at. For me, my anchor is nose to string and index finger second knuckle, locked in under my ear in the indentation between ear and jaw. I’m here watching this because I’m tired of my wrist sling clapping around in the tree stand and just not being ideal when shooting with gloves
I don't use one anymore.
@@OutdoorsAllie same here…. One of those relying tools that every beginner archer uses thinking it’s a necessity…. It’s a good tool for someone whose never shot a bow to know how high and where the bow should be at ancho point. Once the anchor position is established with memory, the kisser should come off so they can hone the rest of their positioning and skill. I ditched the kisser ( had mine fly off) I started anchoring better and shooting better groups. I’ve been shooting a few years without one and I can say I’m very accurate to 50 yard shots. After 50 yards I don’t even bother, just because it’s hard to see an 18x18!archery block target out past 50
Give it Back ,lol,hahaha …
Stick to what works the best for you !
Yay thumb release, welcome to the darkside Allie lol
Relax your hand you’ll get the hang of it
LOL
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Get rid of the kisser button and look into bowmar nose button!!!
Ive heard good things!
There is no such thing as,
This device is it, that doesn't exist, the end all to be all, cause just when you think you might actually have it, it's guaranteed to change,
True. Most equipment does change. Most often for the better!
Seems like the type of release isn’t nearly as important as the archer using it...and practice.
Probably somewhat true.
Maybe it’s just me, but your draw length looks a little short. Your bow arm looks bent too much, which will cause fatigue. But my wife calls me a dummy all the time, so just might be that.
LOL thank for the feedback Richard!
Draw lenght to long, but you probably fixed it by now
Yes, I have made a few modifications.
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