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Correct. Getting stuck is actually incredibly rare and almost always when cavers enter very tight DOWNWARD SLOPING passages. Normally it's not too hard to thrutch* backwards out of a tight passage but when gravity is acting against you it's far more difficult. With typical black humour such passages are known as 'Coffins' in the caving community. * Thrutch: A technical caving term used to describe a mix of crawling, wriggling, thrashing about and loud swearing.😁
there was also that other guy covered on this channel where the tunnel took a sudden sharp downward turn and the guy slid all the way down and died of hypothermia I think@@lisaperry5999
Yep, it's why the most common piece of advice for people needing help in the ocean is to remain calm, and rescuers are told to use devices like life preservers instead of personally getting close to help. That's just on the surface when swimming too. People panicking has caused more than one person to drown while trying to help. Underwater at the depth they were? That dude was dead from the moment he lost his shit. The other two were lucky they were able to recover, but barring them knocking him unconscious or pulling him up with a rope, there was nothing they could've done.
There is a reason Ive always been told that If I must save someone from drowining I must only go as deep as I can stand with my arms out of the water and grab them by the hair keeping myself out of reach. Would make saving someone very hard, but priority nuber 1 is not to increase the casualties further.
That last story was so sad to hear about. I can't imagine the amount of guilt Heal must've felt after not being able to rescue his missing students. And even though no one blamed him, it was still too much to handle.
I totally agree with this logic. It would be stupid to risk new lives for a body removal. The other side of the coin however is that caves are closed if there is a body. Certainly, the same logic applies, no use risking lives to open a cave to hobbyists, but if there is a chance to retrieve a body, then it it apparently often done. Plura cave is one such case in Norway. A group of Finns dived there, two died, and the survivors + other volunteer experts returned to get the bodies back for the families and for their own peace of mind. A lot of the sensibility of such an operation is whether it is properly planned to be safe. (Movie / documentary: Diving into the Unknown)
@@blackroberts6290Not how rot works. If concerns about affecting the cave environment were to be considered at all= nobody should have gone in there alive.
Last one is tragic. A friend died trying to save a friend and a teacher trying to help them both. The teacher trying his hardest to find them only to be broken by the guilt and ending it all.
I don't know how old these kids were, but that girls friend was so brave to immediately help and hold her friends head above the water. I'm not sure I'd be able to do it
@@Active0Bserver Yea, no matter how depressed I get suacidality is always 0. And Im not really apathetic but rather idle do to the belief that I dont have enough power to change anything.
I've lost someone very close to me and even though I feel broken, I want to die, I want to be with her. Life just keeps going on, it feels wrong that it does but it does.
Accident that fool went in there willingly and got himself stuck. What fool does that particularly when you have a wife,you g child and another baby on the way. People like him put other people's lives at risk trying g to rescue them.
My butt gets stuck trying to get something from under my bed. I'll never enter a cave but if I did, 100% they'd find me stuck in a tiny funnel because of my big butt
I got stuck once at my job, I was welding 2 20 inches steel pipes together and was doing the welding inside it. It was a scary moment, despite knowing someone could pull me out, after 30 minutes, it get very uncomfortable. No way I would do this without a good reason.
That’s my feeling! I teach swimming for a living so I’m not totally risk averse, but these caving disaster stories are too plentiful for me to consider that type of risk. RIP to these brave adventurers…may they not suffer a la the infamous Nutty Putty incident. That’s the terrifying winner, IMO…🙏🙏🙏
@@MorbidGalaxy Really? Apply it to hijacking of planes. Rare things are rare for a reason. You're missing the entire point of the comment. The fact this dude is making an entire playlist of videos of people being stuck in caves, means it's not as rare as some people say. Caving is already a niche thing and there are this many incidents of this?
If I'm for whatever reason found dead in a cave, do not risk your life trying to recover me. I get a cool resting place and no one else has to be there with me
It's not like the rescuers have guns to their head " do this rescue or ill shoot you" lol. They have freewill. If that's what they want to do so be it. Just like if that's what the damn caver wanted to do, whatever.
I used to crawl my way into some tiny spots when doing hide and seek and also climbing ridiculous heights when I was a kid. I never thought about any of it. Now it terrifies me what I used to do and these stories don't help, but I'm still addicted to them
Funny, i was the same way except i got trapped under a hutch for i don't know how long, until my dad found me and lifted it up so i could crawl out. I have been very claustrophobic ever since
I climbed into my friends two story laundry shute and got wedged in it. Up high, where i got help out. Im claustrophobic as hell. I have no idea why I thought that was a good idea.
The last story was particularly tragic, unfortunately caves can flood hours after rain has ceased. A cave local to me, (Boho, Co. Fermanagh, Northern Ireland) can flood and totally sump out up 24 hours after rainfall. This is due to the time it takes water to percolate through the the over-lying soil and the limestone through which the cave has formed, local knowledge is important to keep yourself safe.
It can be like that in the desert in Australia, sometimes it will rain 100 km away and hours later a flash flood will come through , there might be no sign of rain at all where you are...
Agreed. It's always important to consider lag times between when it rains and when it enters the cave after working it's way through the local hydrological system. Just because it's no longer raining when you enter the cave doesn't mean rain from the night before isn't still entering the cave. Another thing to be aware of is if the ground is saturated from heavy rain over a number of days. In normal conditions the soil acts like a sponge soaking up the rain. However if it's saturated it just runs off the surface and into the streams which can lead to a flash flood in the cave. This can also happen in summer if the ground is baked hard and there's a sudden thunder storm as happened at Mossdale Caverns in 1967. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossdale_Caverns
@@speleokeir I watched a documentary a few years ago about Mossdale, a tragic story despite the tremendous efforts made to divert the beck. I remember another instance where wind drove water from a reservoir which flooded a cave, can't remember if it was also in the Dales.
In my honest opinion, anybody who goes crawling deep underground in caves - apart from scientists doing research - has a death wish, particularly those who furthermore do explorations of underwater caverns ! But to do so alone without any prior experience whatsoever, as in Michel's case in the first story, is nothing but downright suicidal.
Why on earth would anyone want to climb into a tight cave tunnel in the middle of nowhere ALONE!??! That sounds absolutely terrifying and I couldn't imagine dying like that.. it makes me extremely anxious just thinking about it and hearing these stories makes me so uncomfortable. Awful, awful way to die. What goes on in these people's minds that makes them think it'll be okay??
From binge watching ScarryI here, things I've learnt - I will never go in a cave again - I will never go scuba diving more than a few metres down - I will never EVER EVVVEEEEEER go scuba diving in an underwater cave jesus christ :)
Add to that: - Never be in proximity of a plane - Never be in proximity of a train - Never be in proximity to a chemical plant - Never be in proximity to a damn - Never be in proximity to anything nuclear. *Proximity means within range of anything going bad. ca 50+ km/30+ miles Thanks to Plainly Difficult for adding those sets of disasters disasters.
Even with a pro. One little mistake. Somebody stirs up some silt and blinds everyone. It's like being on Everest, you're doing good just to keep YOURSELF alive if something goes sideways, good luck helping anyone else.
Experience can save you in a dangerous situation. Unfortunately it can also give you the courage to do something stupid. I think we all know where Heals fits.
Instinct can be a greater friend than experience..the instinct of the inexperienced man who returned without exploring saved him..and unfortunately Heals' 'experience' led him to not follow one's basic instincts..
16:37 today Hal is approaching 9 years old and is a legend in cave diving? That’s quite young to having been through 2 diving accidents I think before he was born.
Exactly, I'm not sure why in the hell people do this. Especially to do that stuffed himself so tight if he was stuck. Number one I would be scared of some animal in the cave that simply going to eat me before I get lost in the cave.
going into a normal cave is very fun especially when u are with or have consulted experienced people before. all these incidents are from extreme caves, there are plenty of normal caves all around the world that arent just ppl crawling or lying flat on their belly to go forward, u can have fun exploring a cave if: a) u arent dense and u have common sense b)think rationally c) dont let your ego get the better part of you
Yeah if you can't handle not panicking at even regular every day situations that don't have your life or others on the line, you do not have ANY business doing things like cave diving. I swear people keep that baby mentality of "if I thrash and scream and cry and complain someone will placate me and give me what I want or take me out of the situation I don't want to be in!" It's actually pathetic, that guy would have lived if he didn't act like such a dumb ass getting so scared of everything he starts thrashing about. Especially when you have someone with you trying to calm you down so they can untangle you, but no he had to thrash and kick and "I want out of this right NOW! WHA UH UH WHA" kicking and thrashing about making it nearly impossible to render aid without being harmed yourself now. Too many idiots not understanding that nature doesn't exist for us to be in awe of. It's not FOR us, and so many of those people think that it is. Those people lose perspective and then don't have any respect for the environment "were humans, the world's basically our oyster!" Like I said. If you're the type that is easily startled and in that startled state you tend to flail or panic jump or anything to that effect other than asses what it is then react, you can not be in these situations, especially if you expect to survive. You'll likely die and kill everyone along with you. People really don't understand how important not freaking out is... Yet they do it over EVERY LITTLE THING. "ZOMG SOMETHING TOUCHED ME EEEEEEEE!!" and now they are flailing around being a detriment to everyone around them.
@@BigPanda096 It's instinctual. Being neurotic is not something you can control very much, plus being neurotic has some benefits in danger prevention. However this is a type of situation a neurotic person should avoid like the plague.
@@BigPanda096 Ever heard of Nitrogen Narcosis? Breathing Nitrogen concentrations bellow 100 ft can cause this condition in which you experience loss of decision making, increased aggression, or even blackout. Don't judge the guy based off a situation you know nothing about
Why was this dude even a diver to begin with and a rescue diver at that? Not saying I wouldn't have panicked, but i've been in some crappy situations in my life and always kept my cool cause instinctively i've known in the heat of the moment thag if I panic i'm dead. One would imagine that trained professionals would've be capable of keeping their cool in the elements of which they excell
I dont know how i went caving years ago. Today, I wont step foot into anything that isnt a massive cavern and nice walking trail 😂. I dont see the reward/allure of “discovering” dirty old rocks that basically all look the same, with the risk of losing your life. But I love listening to these stories
I watch a ton of these or videos of people going spelunking and going into crazy tight squeezes where they basically can only slowly move by fingers and toes. Shit gives me anxiety but I like watching it for some reason.
I was once an avid outdoor person and had a few close calls because of ignorance, confusion, and stupidity. It truly doesn't take much to end up in serious trouble, especially when out solo. In my case, nobody knew where I was, but I got lucky. If I had not managed to get out of trouble, it would have been several days before anyone would have reported me missing, and far too late.
I'm somewhat glad that when I was a kid my mother took us all orienteering every second weekend and I learned all sorts of stuff about navigating the bush. Funnily enough these days it mostly comes up in video games when I encounter people who can't figure out how to use the in game map properly and I have to remind myself that most people didn't learn as a kid! But just like swimming it's a good skill to know, just in case. With caves I just won't go in by myself/without someone experienced and won't even trust them if I'm at all unsure about the weather. I've done less cave adventuring than hiking but enough to know that you don't want to mix water with it.
Nature is no joke man, it humbled my teenage ass when I went out into the bush with just me and my mate to smoke, a few hours later we were lost, out of water & food, sun was setting and only by pure luck ran into a mountain biker who showed us the exit which we would’ve never found. We would’ve died in that national park if not for that mountain biker since it was winter and we wern’t prepared at all for night fall in the middle of the bush. To top it off we told no one where we were going that day.
My friend has a similar story. He got trapped in a flooding cave. Was able to find an upper passage and waited out the flood waters, but it took 24 hours. Nobody knew where he was. He told us weeks after it happened.
Unless I'm really missing something here, this seems like an inherently selfish thing to do unless you are one of the few individuals without any family or friends who love or care about you.
A friend of mine was a professional diver (mostly did recovery for drowning victims) and he told me that cave diving is probably more dangerous than diving in shark infested waters. Completely subjective opinion but quite a statement either way.
Heals had been trapped with students in the same cave because of flooding caused by rain once before. He knew what he kind of danger he was putting those kids in first hand, and did it all over again. He was arrogant and reckless and he got people killed for nothing.
It was a huge lapse in judgment that did cost the lives of others. It is still a shame that he took his own life over it, but I do not believe he was blameless.
I will never trust "experienced" or "professional" people ever again because of this channel. Heals was supposedly "experienced" and made the same mistake twice. Not to mention what kind of moron goes into a flooded cave? On reflection he said going into the ankle deep water was his second mistake. Then he brings the kids deeper and deeper in as the water got deeper and deeper. He did nothing to protect those kids and the other adults should've immediately told him those kids are not going in that cave. All he did was make every bad decision one could make so it's hard to have sympathy for him when he was entrusted to protect other people's children.
@@dontcare7086My thoughts exactly. It‘s terrifying how many comments here say they „feel bad for him“ or „think he‘s a hero“. He‘s 100% to blame. Those kids didn‘t know any better, but he should have with all his prized experience.
I went on a tour in Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. They have what are called "wild" cave tours. I was on a normal, lighted, paved tour in large caverns. We had an opportunity to wriggle into an area that was representative of the "wild cave" tours. I tried it and never felt more panicked in my life except for when I snorkled in the open water. I felt hot, like I couldn't breathe, imagined being squeezed in and buried alive. I could not wait to get out of the little chamber we were in and realized I never wanted to experience that again. These videos are almost too much to take because sometimes I imagine I'm back in that cave.
Mammoth Cave is where Floyd Collins got stuck in the 20's for a RIDICULOUS amount of time & died isn't it? One of THE worst caving disasters I've ever heard!
Mammoth cave is beautiful, but there’s no reason to ever crawl or let alone “wriggle” through a cave. There’s plenty more of mammoth cave to see that doesn’t require anything but to walk through it.
When I was 12-14 years old. I loved exploring places and most times caves. Sometimes I didn’t go too far in because I didn’t trust the so called friends I had incase of an emergency. And sometimes it was just a gut feeling not to go too far in. Looking at these videos. Made me realize how irresponsible I was to even attempt going in the first place. And I’m glad so many times I stopped my self from proceeding to go in deeper. My deepest prayers to all those families that lost someone. I still love exploring places. But only public places like caverns, etc. and still with caution.
I recall caving as a Boy Scout and the reckless abandon of safety that sometimes occurred. I can absolutely empathize with being in some of these cold, dark, muddy death traps. Keep up the great content on the road to 1,000,000 subs.
Stoked you covered Mystery Creek caves, I’m from Tasmania and have known about the tragedy since I visited the cave with my friends 12 years ago, tried to look up the story several times to no avail! I remember walking down that train track, the cave was absolutely incredible but scary as F once you k ow about the potential flash floods that could wipe you out at any moment!
I know that this will be an unpopular opinion, but if it was raining heavily, they should have skipped the caves and done something else. Heals had a hand in their deaths. He also should have listened to the other guy about the knee-high water instead of his ego. Those three deaths were very preventable.
Completely right. And I say that as someone who's been caving for 36 years. It's simple common sense. There are plenty of weekends when my friends and I have gone caving and we've changed our plans due to the weather, either going to a cave we know doesn't flood or else doing something else completely. 1) Make sure you go caving with someone experienced who knows what they're doing. e.g. Join your local caving club. Ideally someone in the group will have gone down the cave before. 2) If possible you should always check the guide book to see if a cave is prone to flooding. 3) Check the weather forecast, not just that day but also the previous few days. This is because there is usually a lag time between rain hitting the ground and entering the cave so water can still be entering the cave long after it's stopped raining. If the ground is completely saturated from several days of rain the soil will no longer soak up the water which can result in flash floods in the cave. This can also happen if the ground is baked hard in the summer and there's a sudden thunder storm. 4) if there's an entrance stream check the water levels. How do they compare to the high watermark? Is the stream bank full. Basically if you're in any doubt DON'T GO DOWN, go to a dry cave instead or do something else.
And he also saw some of the kids struggling and ushered them on to continue. Might be a bit harsh, but that shit is fucking idiotic and cost the lives of three people. Of course, it's survivor's guilt, but it is also "just" guilt for making a mistake that led to three deaths.
I just took about a year away from this type of content because it gets quite heavy after a while. I hope you have a good mental escape in your life, you've been going at it continuously.
I will never understand why people have to try and squeeze through these tiny spaces, especially when you consider what was the best reward for such antics...a view of a muddy hole.
@@PavelKrupets If you think it's about overcoming your fears, you don't belong caving. You should always have a fear of squeezing into an extremely tight space, especially if you're not even sure what's on the other side. If you lose that fear, you'll end up upsidedown in the next version of a Nutty Putty dead end crack.
@@machineofadream overcoming fear is squeezing through restriction, not overcoming is not squeezing. also i didn't ask for your advice on wether i should or shouldn't cave dive.
Dry spelunking is bad enough, like John Jones of Nutty Putty cave in Utah. Then throw in water caving, which raise the danger level 1000x. You gotta deal with carrying oxygen tanks, correct mixture of oxygen & nitrogen, being blind by silt, running out of air, getting lost. Even if you find an air pocket, it's a limited respite. If someone was there before you months ago, the air is still bad. I see no thrill in exploring a cave unless it's the Hang Son Doong cave in Vietnam.
Oh the Nutty Putty cave was tragic, he was talking at one time but after awhile being stuck upside down. He died and they filled in the hole. Think he was a young doctor 🧑⚕️
The one advantage of cave diving versus spelunking is that you don't have to worry about falling. Other than that yeah cave diving is definitely less forgiving.
I keep thinking, "At some point he has to run out of cave diving material for making videos?". But, no. There seems to be a functionally endless number of people getting stuck in caves.
Love the stories bro, the depth and detail in which you take to tell the story is awesome. You’re one of my favorite story tellers. Keep up the good stuff brother !!
If i imagine someone being alone, in an unknown cave, squeezing them self forward in a so tight hole, that they have to exhale all air just to ATTEMP going forward... is that a death whish, semi-suicide or ekstreme stupidity
I have been watching you a long time, have never commented. There are a lot of channels that do what you do, but somehow, in my opinion, you just do it soooooo much better. I don't even know what it is. You're a great storyteller and I love the editing style. Keep up the excellent work.🙂
My two cents would be that the presentation of each story is with a respectful distance. Nothing flashy, no shouts, no dramatisation. Its a very sober (?), calm presentation, allowing the stories to speak for themselves. We are all voyeurs in a way here, but at least in these videos the victims keep their dignity (I think and surely hope so...) and we are kept behind the proverbial barrier: seeing, feeling, but not overly so... if that makes any sense... This is the only such content I follow. Except Casual Criminalist, I usually dont even like these kinds of stories ^^°
The only caves I would want to go in have handrails and a gift shop! I recommend Howe's Caverns in New York. It also has a short boat ride on the tour.
Water doesnt take much depth to have power. I remember i was driving to work one day. Hit a traffic snag where the road was flooded. It didnt appear deep, and other cars were there. So i went through. Only it was deep. I knew if i stopped, my car would stall. I drove a small coupe and remember looking out the driverside window and saw the waterline was just below the window! Still i pushed through. It wasnt going to get deeper, and i'd already passed the deepest portion and on the 2nd half. I just concentrated on driving. And then a huge semi truck passed on my right. The wake from the much larger vehicle lifted my car and i could feel it loose the connection to the road and float toward the median. Kept my cool. My car eventually settled back and i continued to work. I was lucky. Never underestimate the power of water!
Water is incredibly powerful. A big enough wave can topple your ship or flood your town. And with enough time it will eat even through the hardest rock.
@@HappyBeezerStudios And remember: it's incompressible. It'll give upon you every bit of force it has in it or applied to it (Newton's 3rd law) without a millimetre of give.
Every year in Kenya, during the rainy season, we loose tens/dozens of people to flooded roads and drivers who attempt to drive through the flooded road. Last year or the year before we had one of the biggest tragedies when the driver a bus full of 60+ passengers, on their way to a funeral, attempted to drive through a flooded road and got swept into the river. A lot of people passed away from that one mistake.. Since then, I make it a point to find alternate routes or park the car on the side of the road and wait out the floods rather than attempt to drive through it after seeing so many get swept away with people unable to help.
That last one is gonna stay with me. That man had such a tender, pure heart. Really reminds me of my dad. They even looked alike. I'm gonna go have a good cry now.
The last story was so, so tragic. A little warning heeded by the man leaving the cave would have saved 4 lives. Let us heed the warnings of others. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@einstien2409 I completely agree with you, but I meant that it usually happens once the caver is *already* in the middle of a squeeze and the only way out is forward, they must keep going or remain stuck
@@saintazepam That makes sense but if your going into a cave and the only way out is back. It's not a smart decision to go forward without your gear. If you can't go in with your gear I doubt you will have enough room to turn around and retrieve your gears.
I like how the title is such an innocent phrase that on its face doesnt carry too much horror, but after you understand what getting stuck entails it really carries some weight
@@thePyiott I’ve got no clue how nitrogen narcosis works, but as someone who’s both been tripping balls and watched other people trip balls, it all depends on where your head is at. He really shouldn’t be diving like that if he panics so easily, just like people i’ve seen shouldn’t be tripping for the same reason-
Interesting stories as always, but I noticed a couple of errors in the video: - 10:32 you refer to Fred regaining consciousness but it should be Hal as at this point Fred is presumed dead (this really confused me at first) - 09:38 the audio cuts off abruptly and then repeats itself
I like caving disasters especially combining diving with caving because it makes me feel better about all the dumb things I've done in life. I tell myself "At least I'm not that stupid "
One of my biggest fears is getting stuck in clothes I'm trying on in a shop's changing room lol. Even being trapped by fabric is enough to make me panic. I do not understand how anyone could go in a cave
I was spinning in a rope swing as a kid and we’d wind it up around us and then release so it would spin us around quickly until it completely straightened out. One day after school it didn’t go right and I ended up almost hanging myself! I was on my top toes with a rope tangled around my neck. One of my sisters grabbed a knife and sawed through the rope so I could get free. It was terrifying honestly. So…. Anything that requires tight spaces or being confined is not for me.
@@jacquelinekenknight9280 Ya, I remember doing that with swings too. We would double over and almost pass out as we wound it so frikn tight our eyes would bulge! Lol! But now, approaching 67 I almost pass out just standing up!🤣👴🏻
I love your videos. Hooks me on the crazy stories every time. One pet peeve though. The text you place on the screen for us to read disappears in the wrong direction. The thing you haven't read yet disappears first, making it incredibly frustrating, especially for those who don't read quickly.
What gets me is how these idiots make others risk their lives to get them out. I have seen some videos where hundreds of rescuers including civilians, police, fire & rescue, even the Navy on one. At the very least these cavers who get stuck should have to pay the costs for their own rescues. Seems fair to me.
I really really love caves, and want to get more into caving.. but these videos depicting what could go wrong are so important to think about. I will never underestimate a little bit of rain, never go anywhere underground without 1) somebody to go with me and 2) an emergency plan of action, and I'll never go without somebody on the surface knowing where I am and when I expect to be back. Happy Valentines Day everyone!
Yup, the very important thing that counts for both caving and urban exploration: tell someone where you're going and when you plan to be back. That way if something happens, they notice that you haven't come back and where to look. Getting stuck in some cave or ruin is bad enough. Getting stuck there with nobody coming to look for you is worse.
Not just below ground hikes too. Ask Aaron Ralston movie 127 hrs about him in Utah slot canyons. He sawed off his wrist and hand trapped under a Boulder
before going underground it's standard caving procedure is to ALWAYS ensure someone on the surface knows: - The name of the cave you're going down, it's grid reference and in a large cave system, the route intended. - The number of people in the group, their experience levels and how they're equipped. - The expected time out AND a call out time for Cave Rescue. I usually make this 3-4 hours later if they haven't heard anything, as it's common for delays to happen or trips to take longer than expected. - Registration number of the vehicle(s). This can be useful for Cave rescue/the police when checking vehicles parked close to the cave.
It's mind-blowing that not only did Michel explore a cave with little experience, he did it alone thought it was a good idea to squeeze through such a small.
I nearly asphyxiated in a cave once. I checked the oxygen when I was half way in CO2. Confined spaces are dangerous and have been the cause of many workplace fatalities too, not just in caves.
I attended a Safety meeting at work. It's a reasonably large facility, and was only familiar with a small selection. Anyway I asked if the facility had confined spaces. The head of Safety nearly turned white and said, "No, thank God."
Last story was one of the most tragic stories i’ve ever heard. Embodiment of survivor’s guilt too. As an australian resident who’s been to most of the country, our weather is crazy and the wilderness can be extremely uninhabitable. I hope the teacher is at rest and so are those kids
Thank you for your videos. I’m going through a rough time dealing with my husband’s cancer complications and your videos are somehow so comforting to me despite the tragedies they cover. Your videos really mean a lot to a lot of people ❤
@@RightsForZombies I understand. I'm going through my own health challenges and stories like these are reminders that I'm okay right now haha. Best wishes to you and your husband
@RightsForZombies I would advise you to cut as much meat and dairy products as possible... my father survived and beat prostate cancer and his doctors even told him that he would relapse, but trough his plant based diet and more sporty lifestyle his indicators became way better :) Dont loose hope
@@lucky-lu6tc I appreciate the advice, my husband is the one with cancer rather than me. It’s stage 4 but his treatment has finally started to see improvement, it’s the side-effects from his meds that are making him sick right now. His oncology dietician actually wants him eating as much protein as possible so he’s been doing that, but I’m very glad to hear your dad survived and is doing really well and appreciate the encouragement.
Interesting fun fact: If you worked at minimum wage in 1975, it would take you 55.8 hours of work to afford the $145 safety vest. If you work for a minimum wage in 2024 it would take you 90.4 hours of work to afford the same inflation adjusted vest at $1500. This is just pure numbers and does not include the increases in taxes and other things that eat into your wages. This is also done with Canadian averages.
If you're only making minimum wage, and buying $1,500 vests...your priorities are definitely messed up. But hey, all that crippling inflation from government spending was totally worth it, right???
@@Youre-Welcome minimum wage is the only hard numbers that I can get from that time and I used it to illustrate the sheer price increases. Everything else would’ve been an estimation. I would imagine that considering real wages have stagnated since 70s that number is even worse. My dad worked at the mill in high school in the 70’s and when we did wage conversion, he was making the 2024 equivalent of $42 an hour
yes based on my calculations of average salary per day in Australia in 1980 and 2024, the average weekly income in 1980 was roughly the average daily income now. pretty sure it was male income but it may have been male and female averages, averaging over all states. factor was roughly 7.5x increase today in todays dollars. the 10x sounds about right.
For better or worse, your disaster stories have completely dissuaded me from cave diving and spelunking. I know me well enough to know I’d push it into unsafe territory.
The more i watch your videos the more i am convinced that i am mad... how on earth such disturbing content can make me feel so calm and relaxed 😐 btw awesome job and videos wish you success on your channel
Well damn……you were absolutely correct my dude, the last story most certainly was so much worse! 🤦♀️🥺How many times have you heard about stories where a “teacher/expedition leader” put many lives at risk because of arrogance or they wouldn’t admit they were unqualified or wouldn’t except “defeat” or some other nonsense reasons and then when shit hits the fan, they are all so ready to blame everyone and everything else but not themselves…… But here you have a guy who did pretty much NONE of those things and tho of course with hindsight he made a slight error in judgment and all but when disaster occurred he wasted absolutely zero time and almost immediately risked his life to endlessly search for hours and hours…basically disregarding his own safety in what I’m sure he knew in the back of his mind was completely hopeless endeavor regardless! Then, afterwards what does he do…we’ll he more or less thought and probably told others that the only one/thing that was at fault was himself, period! As I’m sure his troubled mind would have told him exactly that, regardless of the veracity of such a claim being probably quite far from the truth of what others probably tried to tell him….since at the end of the day he was exonerated fully in the matter. But even if he was alive when that was announced, I seriously doubt that it would have helped much to relieve him of guilt in his own mind anyways, Ugh…so yea…if the way that you portrayed/explained the whole thing…i.e the “expedition”, the accident, his actions(rescue efforts) and his self blame etc…are truly correct that holy shit my dude! Cause I mean like ffs the whole damn thing is just freaking awful and extremely sad imo. ……oh and btw, before some douche bag starts spotty nonsense (as there’s always at least 1 of.them floating around in the comment section just waiting to display said douchery for all to see🤦♀️😅) I’m not saying that he was 100% “blameless” or that he played no part in all this, as regardless of everything, at the end of the day those kids were in a way “his responsibility” I know that, I will also (somewhat) concede that yes…and so, his decisions did technically get them into their predicament in the first place. But anyone with a brain can see that those things don’t always add up to that person being “to blame”. Which of course is likely why he was officially exonerated for it. Still…sooo freaking sad y’all!🥺😭
Even closer to that 1 mil! I have commented this before, but I have watched you grow this channel from a few thousand subs all the way to now and I am honored to have witnessed all of the journey. I just want to say, congratulations! You are doing amazing. You just keep on improving and growing!
On the last story, I love that you said that the man FELL from whatever floor of a building instead of saying that he jumped, which is more likely. Way to keep it classy Sean. IMO, when you first started your biggest competition was Mr Ballen. Now I look at you two as even. Soon you'll pass him up in subscribers and technique.
Me too. Don't go into caves; don't go diving; don't go into caves while diving... 🙃🤣 and mountain climbing? Eh, I'm better off leaving the mountains to themselves. 😊
The main thing is to go with someone experienced who knows what they're doing and use some common sense. The vast majority of accidents are preventable and down to inexperience.
@speleokeir lots of accidents happen precisely because someone “experienced” thinks s/he knows what s/he’s doing and hence gets dismissive of risks. Also, if you make a mistake because you’re inexperienced, even other “experienced” ppl may not be able to save you and/or will risk their lives to save you. if you think “experience” is key to staying alive, you haven’t watched enough of these vids. Ultimately, when a creature goes against its healthy God/nature-given sense of self preservation and starts doing all these unnecessarily risky things, something is wrong with that creature. No animal will do anything of the sort, only Darwin-award seeking humans. There’s absolutely no justifiable need for any kind of cave-“exploring” and/or rock climbing and/or anything in between.
A big reason why I have no desire to go diving especially in a cave. Also the first responders are risking their lives to go on these rescues and some have died.
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Its not "Michel" its simply MICHAEL in english or "MICHAŁ" in polish language
Uh. Being alone or with somone: I'd still get stuck. Knowing my luck they'd be stuck behind me, and my fat ass would take out some else too! 😢
Nepali please!
Mantap kawan. Aku pengen menjadi fasih berbahasa dalam jangka waktu hanya tiga mingguan.
“Never go cave diving alone”
One step ahead of you; I never plan to go cave diving PERIOD.
EXACTLY
dam what a high iq play
If this channel has taught me anything, it's this.
As an expert in cave diving safety, i have always been safe by never ever going into a cave, or diving.
Not a fucking chance !!!!
When you've watched enough of these videos to know "cave slopes downward" is always closely followed by "blood pooling in his head."
Always think of nutty putter and Johns horrific ordeal
Correct. Getting stuck is actually incredibly rare and almost always when cavers enter very tight DOWNWARD SLOPING passages. Normally it's not too hard to thrutch* backwards out of a tight passage but when gravity is acting against you it's far more difficult.
With typical black humour such passages are known as 'Coffins' in the caving community.
* Thrutch: A technical caving term used to describe a mix of crawling, wriggling, thrashing about and loud swearing.😁
there was also that other guy covered on this channel where the tunnel took a sudden sharp downward turn and the guy slid all the way down and died of hypothermia I think@@lisaperry5999
I truly enjoy the videos !!! But the background music is painful after 20 minutes
@@911call911 Mute it and read the sub captions when it becomes unbearable for you lol
Story #2
Bud is the deffinition of "how panic is not only dangerous to yourself, but to others as well"
Yep, it's why the most common piece of advice for people needing help in the ocean is to remain calm, and rescuers are told to use devices like life preservers instead of personally getting close to help. That's just on the surface when swimming too. People panicking has caused more than one person to drown while trying to help.
Underwater at the depth they were? That dude was dead from the moment he lost his shit. The other two were lucky they were able to recover, but barring them knocking him unconscious or pulling him up with a rope, there was nothing they could've done.
There is a reason Ive always been told that If I must save someone from drowining I must only go as deep as I can stand with my arms out of the water and grab them by the hair keeping myself out of reach. Would make saving someone very hard, but priority nuber 1 is not to increase the casualties further.
He literally killed himself
Rules for going in caves:
1st - The cave must be wider and higher than you
2nd - NO WATER
3rd - Don't go in caves alone
4th - Don't go in caves
Caves are fun!
5 - 10: see #4
@@nimblehuman5-100
Don't even think about caves
"It's raining. But that's ok. It's probably not that bad in the underground cave next to to the stream." It's really shocking how often this happens.
they are natures drainage tunnels....
These people probably have 0 survival insticts. Pure adrenaline adhd
@amalluminatimi im risk averse, planning and being prepared is my jam.. love watching these videos...I dont understand the chaos lol
They even love the way it is more challenging too. Disregarding that it's not safe.
There's so much cave it would take like, a bunch of water. Hope that doesn't apply to this video I'm about to watch
That last story was so sad to hear about. I can't imagine the amount of guilt Heal must've felt after not being able to rescue his missing students. And even though no one blamed him, it was still too much to handle.
I wouldn't be surprised if the fall was a suicide, And he just lied about where he's going because he didn't want to worry his family
@@maxwellschmid588 Obviously it was a suicide…
right ??! that one definitely had me crying & that’s a first for me on these channels 😭🫶🏼
Sucks to suck. Dont do dumb things like crawl in small spaces or walk on tall shit with no saftey rope.FUG EM
Survivor’s guilt is intense.
Look. My dead body nor my mother’s peace of mind are worth people risking their lives. If I die doing something this stupid, leave my dumbass there.
I totally agree with this logic. It would be stupid to risk new lives for a body removal. The other side of the coin however is that caves are closed if there is a body. Certainly, the same logic applies, no use risking lives to open a cave to hobbyists, but if there is a chance to retrieve a body, then it it apparently often done.
Plura cave is one such case in Norway. A group of Finns dived there, two died, and the survivors + other volunteer experts returned to get the bodies back for the families and for their own peace of mind. A lot of the sensibility of such an operation is whether it is properly planned to be safe. (Movie / documentary: Diving into the Unknown)
@@Cherubi-chananother point, rotting bodies might poison wildlife or groundwater on their immediate location
@@blackroberts6290Not how rot works. If concerns about affecting the cave environment were to be considered at all= nobody should have gone in there alive.
Yes. Dont be an asshole and die somewhere hard to retrieve your body. If I die in cave let the wolves in to feast on my body to free the cave
Hey, your bones are blocking the cave!
Hal is an absolute legend. I can never be as brave and as calm as that man. The final story was sooo sad at the end.
It’s crazy tho how they still couldn’t find there bodies it’s almost like they Been taken from existence
@@rohansstearling8295at 25:12 he says they actually had found their bodies, all 3 deceased.
@@PsyloJThose 3 bodies are from a different story.
What so legendary about going on a trip where your friend dies and so does a rescuer, and you couldn't save either of them over stupid risks?
Wasn't the smartest
Last one is tragic. A friend died trying to save a friend and a teacher trying to help them both. The teacher trying his hardest to find them only to be broken by the guilt and ending it all.
I don't know how old these kids were, but that girls friend was so brave to immediately help and hold her friends head above the water. I'm not sure I'd be able to do it
Sad it is, but I still find it pathetic. No matter what happens Id just keep living lol.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Good for you, I guess? Congrats on your prideful apathy
@@Active0Bserver Yea, no matter how depressed I get suacidality is always 0. And Im not really apathetic but rather idle do to the belief that I dont have enough power to change anything.
I've lost someone very close to me and even though I feel broken, I want to die, I want to be with her. Life just keeps going on, it feels wrong that it does but it does.
The Nutty Putty Cave incident still freaks me out the most. For me, it's the #1 most awful cave accident
It's basically having to experience the worst elements of sleep-paralysis IRL.
Accident that fool went in there willingly and got himself stuck. What fool does that particularly when you have a wife,you g child and another baby on the way. People like him put other people's lives at risk trying g to rescue them.
Listen the fact that they couldn't even move his body and had to cement him in there... That's so sad I don't even know
Me to!
You'd be surprised there are even more horrible stories.
My butt gets stuck trying to get something from under my bed. I'll never enter a cave but if I did, 100% they'd find me stuck in a tiny funnel because of my big butt
I got stuck once at my job, I was welding 2 20 inches steel pipes together and was doing the welding inside it. It was a scary moment, despite knowing someone could pull me out, after 30 minutes, it get very uncomfortable. No way I would do this without a good reason.
Literally what I said! 😂 and knowing my luck some poor soul would be stuck behind my fat ass and couldn't get out either!
Lol same
@@MarvinHartmann452I am glad it turned out ok. You described it as a scary moment, would you also describe it as scary interesting? :)
Oil up lil mama I’m coming over
The fact that you still haven't run out of run out of caving disaster stories after like 30 videos tells me everything I need to now about caving.
cave diving didn't start like 30 videos ago you fool
Yup, AVOID it! 😱
That’s my feeling! I teach swimming for a living so I’m not totally risk averse, but these caving disaster stories are too plentiful for me to consider that type of risk. RIP to these brave adventurers…may they not suffer a la the infamous Nutty Putty incident. That’s the terrifying winner, IMO…🙏🙏🙏
I think that's a dumb comparison that you can apply to anything
@@MorbidGalaxy Really? Apply it to hijacking of planes. Rare things are rare for a reason. You're missing the entire point of the comment. The fact this dude is making an entire playlist of videos of people being stuck in caves, means it's not as rare as some people say. Caving is already a niche thing and there are this many incidents of this?
If I'm for whatever reason found dead in a cave, do not risk your life trying to recover me. I get a cool resting place and no one else has to be there with me
This, but also I was murdered, 'cause ain't no way I went there myself!!
Cave divers should sign waivers and no-rescue instructions in case they cannot be found. Why risk your friends or associates lives ?
"In case I die,you mf better not come meet me in the f*cking afterlife looking for me"
It's not like the rescuers have guns to their head " do this rescue or ill shoot you" lol. They have freewill. If that's what they want to do so be it. Just like if that's what the damn caver wanted to do, whatever.
But maybe you are blocking the way for cavers who want to try the same thing! Don‘t be that egoistic! 😂
If anyone finds me stuck in a cave, it was foul play
I hate how addicted I am to these videos. I'm so unsettled but I can't stop.
I used to crawl my way into some tiny spots when doing hide and seek and also climbing ridiculous heights when I was a kid. I never thought about any of it. Now it terrifies me what I used to do and these stories don't help, but I'm still addicted to them
Funny, i was the same way except i got trapped under a hutch for i don't know how long, until my dad found me and lifted it up so i could crawl out. I have been very claustrophobic ever since
Must be a lost instinct we kids have until we grow more.
@@falconeshield no, it is the brain finally fully developing
Woah what a bad ass
I climbed into my friends two story laundry shute and got wedged in it. Up high, where i got help out. Im claustrophobic as hell. I have no idea why I thought that was a good idea.
The last story was particularly tragic, unfortunately caves can flood hours after rain has ceased. A cave local to me, (Boho, Co. Fermanagh, Northern Ireland) can flood and totally sump out up 24 hours after rainfall. This is due to the time it takes water to percolate through the the over-lying soil and the limestone through which the cave has formed, local knowledge is important to keep yourself safe.
It can be like that in the desert in Australia, sometimes it will rain 100 km away and hours later a flash flood will come through , there might be no sign of rain at all where you are...
@@Simon-ir1xj My oldest daughter lives in Sydney, I've witnessed a few Aussie downpours when visiting her, so I don't doubt it.
Agreed. It's always important to consider lag times between when it rains and when it enters the cave after working it's way through the local hydrological system.
Just because it's no longer raining when you enter the cave doesn't mean rain from the night before isn't still entering the cave.
Another thing to be aware of is if the ground is saturated from heavy rain over a number of days. In normal conditions the soil acts like a sponge soaking up the rain. However if it's saturated it just runs off the surface and into the streams which can lead to a flash flood in the cave. This can also happen in summer if the ground is baked hard and there's a sudden thunder storm as happened at Mossdale Caverns in 1967.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossdale_Caverns
@@speleokeir I watched a documentary a few years ago about Mossdale, a tragic story despite the tremendous efforts made to divert the beck. I remember another instance where wind drove water from a reservoir which flooded a cave, can't remember if it was also in the Dales.
Usually takes the one near me 12-16 hours to fill up. I've seen it so flooded that the entrance was under a whirlpool. Scary stuff.
That last story reminds us that all victims aren't limited to those who didn't make it out.
Heals made one mistake.
I feel sorry for the kids but for him as well. May he rest in peace
In my honest opinion, anybody who goes crawling deep underground in caves - apart from scientists doing research - has a death wish, particularly those who furthermore do explorations of underwater caverns ! But to do so alone without any prior experience whatsoever, as in Michel's case in the first story, is nothing but downright suicidal.
Why on earth would anyone want to climb into a tight cave tunnel in the middle of nowhere ALONE!??! That sounds absolutely terrifying and I couldn't imagine dying like that.. it makes me extremely anxious just thinking about it and hearing these stories makes me so uncomfortable. Awful, awful way to die. What goes on in these people's minds that makes them think it'll be okay??
It seems they have no sense of danger.
@@deborahwhitney9427yeah and totally never think logically either..
From binge watching ScarryI here, things I've learnt
- I will never go in a cave again
- I will never go scuba diving more than a few metres down
- I will never EVER EVVVEEEEEER go scuba diving in an underwater cave jesus christ :)
Add to that:
- Never be in proximity of a plane
- Never be in proximity of a train
- Never be in proximity to a chemical plant
- Never be in proximity to a damn
- Never be in proximity to anything nuclear.
*Proximity means within range of anything going bad. ca 50+ km/30+ miles
Thanks to Plainly Difficult for adding those sets of disasters disasters.
YOOOOOOO I CANT WAIT TO NEVER CAVE DIVE!
LETS NOT CAVE DIVE AT THE SAME TIME!
@@kidgruesome407 As the president of the 'NEVER GONNA GO CLIMB A MOUNTAIN' club, we should collaborate.
Even with a pro. One little mistake. Somebody stirs up some silt and blinds everyone. It's like being on Everest, you're doing good just to keep YOURSELF alive if something goes sideways, good luck helping anyone else.
@@HappyBeezerStudios IKR. Love John at Plainly Difficult myself.
"hey kids, let's all get out of this rain - by caving!" seems like an all too common refrain in many of these stories
"This man wasn't an experienced caver, but Heals was"
Oh boy, here it comes.
Experience can save you in a dangerous situation. Unfortunately it can also give you the courage to do something stupid. I think we all know where Heals fits.
Instinct can be a greater friend than experience..the instinct of the inexperienced man who returned without exploring saved him..and unfortunately Heals' 'experience' led him to not follow one's basic instincts..
@@beyondme9369Precisely!
Keep in mind, "experience" also meant he had done this very thing before and thought his "experience" save his from guilt again...
Never go spelunking alone.
Never go cave diving alone .
Never dive with Hal.
Hal just tried to help lol
@@Fireman0418 He's bad luck though. Even if he ended up doing a thousand dives, his kill to death ratio is higher than most.
@@Fireman0418 plot twist Hal found a way to kill people and not be a suspect 😂
I was thinking the same thing it's so suspect...
@@mysurfing3550 lmao ikr why is it that he manages to get people killed :P
16:37 today Hal is approaching 9 years old and is a legend in cave diving? That’s quite young to having been through 2 diving accidents I think before he was born.
That last one got me not gonna lie . RIP those poor kids , student teacher and Heals
Same, I don’t know if I could listen to these anymore, usually I’m fine but man. That was heartbreaking 😢
What does "heals" mean? some British term no doubt
@@justiceBustamante It's the dudes name
Other teacher* the student teacher was left with the other kids and was fine
@@justiceBustamante Dude i dont know how to spell his Surname/Nickname , Heels? Heelz? Heals? And im not british , im Irish .
"Never go in a cave alone"?
No no no no no.
"Never go in a cave."
That's better.
Exactly, I'm not sure why in the hell people do this. Especially to do that stuffed himself so tight if he was stuck. Number one I would be scared of some animal in the cave that simply going to eat me before I get lost in the cave.
I will only ever go in a cave in Minecraft.
We need ppl to go caving to keep this channel going
going into a normal cave is very fun especially when u are with or have consulted experienced people before.
all these incidents are from extreme caves, there are plenty of normal caves all around the world that arent just ppl crawling or lying flat on their belly to go forward, u can have fun exploring a cave if:
a) u arent dense and u have common sense
b)think rationally
c) dont let your ego get the better part of you
There is a reason why we have nightmares of scarves and see them as scary. Because they are dangerous.
What is it with men trying to crawl into the tightest tunnels possible, and this guy never even caved before, absolute insanity
If you're phrasing it that way, I think you know the answer. =P
The tightest tunnels have the most life left in them 😜
Uhh, I assure you most of us think men, or anyone, who wants to climb through lengthy tight squeezes are as nuts as you think they are, lol.
There is something Freudian about it.
The answer to that question goes back to our ancestors! It is in our DNA to locate the tiniest of "tunnels!" 😂
The background music of this channel is half the terrifying element of it ❤
16:34 “today Hal is approaching 9 years old”
That panicking diver almost killed basically everyone.
I'm sure I would be the panicking diver so in the interest of keeping everyone else safe I will pass.
Yeah if you can't handle not panicking at even regular every day situations that don't have your life or others on the line, you do not have ANY business doing things like cave diving. I swear people keep that baby mentality of "if I thrash and scream and cry and complain someone will placate me and give me what I want or take me out of the situation I don't want to be in!"
It's actually pathetic, that guy would have lived if he didn't act like such a dumb ass getting so scared of everything he starts thrashing about. Especially when you have someone with you trying to calm you down so they can untangle you, but no he had to thrash and kick and "I want out of this right NOW! WHA UH UH WHA" kicking and thrashing about making it nearly impossible to render aid without being harmed yourself now. Too many idiots not understanding that nature doesn't exist for us to be in awe of. It's not FOR us, and so many of those people think that it is. Those people lose perspective and then don't have any respect for the environment "were humans, the world's basically our oyster!"
Like I said. If you're the type that is easily startled and in that startled state you tend to flail or panic jump or anything to that effect other than asses what it is then react, you can not be in these situations, especially if you expect to survive. You'll likely die and kill everyone along with you. People really don't understand how important not freaking out is... Yet they do it over EVERY LITTLE THING. "ZOMG SOMETHING TOUCHED ME EEEEEEEE!!" and now they are flailing around being a detriment to everyone around them.
@@BigPanda096 It's instinctual. Being neurotic is not something you can control very much, plus being neurotic has some benefits in danger prevention. However this is a type of situation a neurotic person should avoid like the plague.
@@BigPanda096 Ever heard of Nitrogen Narcosis? Breathing Nitrogen concentrations bellow 100 ft can cause this condition in which you experience loss of decision making, increased aggression, or even blackout. Don't judge the guy based off a situation you know nothing about
Why was this dude even a diver to begin with and a rescue diver at that?
Not saying I wouldn't have panicked, but i've been in some crappy situations in my life and always kept my cool cause instinctively i've known in the heat of the moment thag if I panic i'm dead.
One would imagine that trained professionals would've be capable of keeping their cool in the elements of which they excell
I'm terrified of caves but I still can't stop warching these.
I dont know how i went caving years ago. Today, I wont step foot into anything that isnt a massive cavern and nice walking trail 😂. I dont see the reward/allure of “discovering” dirty old rocks that basically all look the same, with the risk of losing your life. But I love listening to these stories
I watch a ton of these or videos of people going spelunking and going into crazy tight squeezes where they basically can only slowly move by fingers and toes. Shit gives me anxiety but I like watching it for some reason.
@lukeuseforce and that is why nobody will remember your name. Nah I'm joking I feel the same way. Fts
@@tylermyers737 it is some kind of self abuse 😄 I am very claustropgobic so even if I watch tucked up in bed, I still sweat a bit.
Safe to watch these instead of doing the real thing. I have been to a few caves but enoigh
I was once an avid outdoor person and had a few close calls because of ignorance, confusion, and stupidity. It truly doesn't take much to end up in serious trouble, especially when out solo. In my case, nobody knew where I was, but I got lucky. If I had not managed to get out of trouble, it would have been several days before anyone would have reported me missing, and far too late.
Mind telling the story so others could learn from it?
I'm somewhat glad that when I was a kid my mother took us all orienteering every second weekend and I learned all sorts of stuff about navigating the bush. Funnily enough these days it mostly comes up in video games when I encounter people who can't figure out how to use the in game map properly and I have to remind myself that most people didn't learn as a kid! But just like swimming it's a good skill to know, just in case. With caves I just won't go in by myself/without someone experienced and won't even trust them if I'm at all unsure about the weather. I've done less cave adventuring than hiking but enough to know that you don't want to mix water with it.
Nature is no joke man, it humbled my teenage ass when I went out into the bush with just me and my mate to smoke, a few hours later we were lost, out of water & food, sun was setting and only by pure luck ran into a mountain biker who showed us the exit which we would’ve never found.
We would’ve died in that national park if not for that mountain biker since it was winter and we wern’t prepared at all for night fall in the middle of the bush. To top it off we told no one where we were going that day.
My friend has a similar story. He got trapped in a flooding cave. Was able to find an upper passage and waited out the flood waters, but it took 24 hours. Nobody knew where he was. He told us weeks after it happened.
Unless I'm really missing something here, this seems like an inherently selfish thing to do unless you are one of the few individuals without any family or friends who love or care about you.
A friend of mine was a professional diver (mostly did recovery for drowning victims) and he told me that cave diving is probably more dangerous than diving in shark infested waters. Completely subjective opinion but quite a statement either way.
Heals had been trapped with students in the same cave because of flooding caused by rain once before. He knew what he kind of danger he was putting those kids in first hand, and did it all over again. He was arrogant and reckless and he got people killed for nothing.
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It was a huge lapse in judgment that did cost the lives of others. It is still a shame that he took his own life over it, but I do not believe he was blameless.
I will never trust "experienced" or "professional" people ever again because of this channel. Heals was supposedly "experienced" and made the same mistake twice. Not to mention what kind of moron goes into a flooded cave? On reflection he said going into the ankle deep water was his second mistake. Then he brings the kids deeper and deeper in as the water got deeper and deeper. He did nothing to protect those kids and the other adults should've immediately told him those kids are not going in that cave. All he did was make every bad decision one could make so it's hard to have sympathy for him when he was entrusted to protect other people's children.
@@dontcare7086 To be fair, the stories where the people have no experience usually have far more mistakes.
@@dontcare7086My thoughts exactly. It‘s terrifying how many comments here say they „feel bad for him“ or „think he‘s a hero“. He‘s 100% to blame. Those kids didn‘t know any better, but he should have with all his prized experience.
These cave stories are truly never ending. People love going to places they shouldn’t
Just another version of slumming.
I went on a tour in Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. They have what are called "wild" cave tours. I was on a normal, lighted, paved tour in large caverns. We had an opportunity to wriggle into an area that was representative of the "wild cave" tours. I tried it and never felt more panicked in my life except for when I snorkled in the open water. I felt hot, like I couldn't breathe, imagined being squeezed in and buried alive. I could not wait to get out of the little chamber we were in and realized I never wanted to experience that again. These videos are almost too much to take because sometimes I imagine I'm back in that cave.
Mammoth Cave is where Floyd Collins got stuck in the 20's for a RIDICULOUS amount of time & died isn't it? One of THE worst caving disasters I've ever heard!
I went there too, that tight squeeze was nightmarish enough for me
Mammoth cave is beautiful, but there’s no reason to ever crawl or let alone “wriggle” through a cave. There’s plenty more of mammoth cave to see that doesn’t require anything but to walk through it.
@@Irish_Georgia_Girl no
Nike: "just do it"
Us ppl who watch scary interesting: "how about no"
When I was 12-14 years old. I loved exploring places and most times caves. Sometimes I didn’t go too far in because I didn’t trust the so called friends I had incase of an emergency. And sometimes it was just a gut feeling not to go too far in. Looking at these videos. Made me realize how irresponsible I was to even attempt going in the first place. And I’m glad so many times I stopped my self from proceeding to go in deeper. My deepest prayers to all those families that lost someone. I still love exploring places. But only public places like caverns, etc. and still with caution.
Cave diving is literally the most terrifying thing in the world to me.
Iceberg diving is way, way worse.
I recall caving as a Boy Scout and the reckless abandon of safety that sometimes occurred. I can absolutely empathize with being in some of these cold, dark, muddy death traps. Keep up the great content on the road to 1,000,000 subs.
Stoked you covered Mystery Creek caves, I’m from Tasmania and have known about the tragedy since I visited the cave with my friends 12 years ago, tried to look up the story several times to no avail! I remember walking down that train track, the cave was absolutely incredible but scary as F once you k ow about the potential flash floods that could wipe you out at any moment!
I know that this will be an unpopular opinion, but if it was raining heavily, they should have skipped the caves and done something else. Heals had a hand in their deaths. He also should have listened to the other guy about the knee-high water instead of his ego. Those three deaths were very preventable.
Completely right. And I say that as someone who's been caving for 36 years. It's simple common sense.
There are plenty of weekends when my friends and I have gone caving and we've changed our plans due to the weather, either going to a cave we know doesn't flood or else doing something else completely.
1) Make sure you go caving with someone experienced who knows what they're doing. e.g. Join your local caving club. Ideally someone in the group will have gone down the cave before.
2) If possible you should always check the guide book to see if a cave is prone to flooding.
3) Check the weather forecast, not just that day but also the previous few days. This is because there is usually a lag time between rain hitting the ground and entering the cave so water can still be entering the cave long after it's stopped raining.
If the ground is completely saturated from several days of rain the soil will no longer soak up the water which can result in flash floods in the cave. This can also happen if the ground is baked hard in the summer and there's a sudden thunder storm.
4) if there's an entrance stream check the water levels. How do they compare to the high watermark? Is the stream bank full.
Basically if you're in any doubt DON'T GO DOWN, go to a dry cave instead or do something else.
@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 that honestly make things worse.
And he also saw some of the kids struggling and ushered them on to continue. Might be a bit harsh, but that shit is fucking idiotic and cost the lives of three people. Of course, it's survivor's guilt, but it is also "just" guilt for making a mistake that led to three deaths.
Yeah, I think he knew that. Hence him launching himself off a building.
I know right, it's like they didn't listen to the part where he completely blamed himself n died because of it!@@jessiejamesbest
I just took about a year away from this type of content because it gets quite heavy after a while. I hope you have a good mental escape in your life, you've been going at it continuously.
I will never understand why people have to try and squeeze through these tiny spaces, especially when you consider what was the best reward for such antics...a view of a muddy hole.
Reward is discovery and overcoming your fears
@@PavelKrupets I guess so, certainly a lot of courage needed.
@@PavelKrupets Overcoming your fear of living?... sure 😐
@@PavelKrupets If you think it's about overcoming your fears, you don't belong caving. You should always have a fear of squeezing into an extremely tight space, especially if you're not even sure what's on the other side. If you lose that fear, you'll end up upsidedown in the next version of a Nutty Putty dead end crack.
@@machineofadream overcoming fear is squeezing through restriction, not overcoming is not squeezing. also i didn't ask for your advice on wether i should or shouldn't cave dive.
Dry spelunking is bad enough, like John Jones of Nutty Putty cave in Utah. Then throw in water caving, which raise the danger level 1000x. You gotta deal with carrying oxygen tanks, correct mixture of oxygen & nitrogen, being blind by silt, running out of air, getting lost. Even if you find an air pocket, it's a limited respite. If someone was there before you months ago, the air is still bad. I see no thrill in exploring a cave unless it's the Hang Son Doong cave in Vietnam.
Exactly! Cave diving is insane.
Honestly I'd take cave diving over dry spelunking. It's a much faster death.
Oh the Nutty Putty cave was tragic, he was talking at one time but after awhile being stuck upside down. He died and they filled in the hole. Think he was a young doctor 🧑⚕️
The one advantage of cave diving versus spelunking is that you don't have to worry about falling. Other than that yeah cave diving is definitely less forgiving.
Also decompression
I keep thinking, "At some point he has to run out of cave diving material for making videos?". But, no. There seems to be a functionally endless number of people getting stuck in caves.
if like 15 is endless then yeah I guess
@@dementionalpotato 15? Hundreds of cave diving fatalities have been reported
Love the stories bro, the depth and detail in which you take to tell the story is awesome. You’re one of my favorite story tellers. Keep up the good stuff brother !!
"Reading and doing are two different things." Accurate! And these guys willing to risk death and actually die to find a dead body just amazes me.
If i imagine someone being alone, in an unknown cave, squeezing them self forward in a so tight hole, that they have to exhale all air just to ATTEMP going forward... is that a death whish, semi-suicide or ekstreme stupidity
I have been watching you a long time, have never commented.
There are a lot of channels that do what you do, but somehow, in my opinion, you just do it soooooo much better. I don't even know what it is. You're a great storyteller and I love the editing style. Keep up the excellent work.🙂
My two cents would be that the presentation of each story is with a respectful distance. Nothing flashy, no shouts, no dramatisation. Its a very sober (?), calm presentation, allowing the stories to speak for themselves. We are all voyeurs in a way here, but at least in these videos the victims keep their dignity (I think and surely hope so...) and we are kept behind the proverbial barrier: seeing, feeling, but not overly so... if that makes any sense...
This is the only such content I follow. Except Casual Criminalist, I usually dont even like these kinds of stories ^^°
"Never go cav-" DONE!
content on the many missing/deceased persons in the boundary waters of minnesota/canada would be great!
Is there a specific spot or reason people go missing there? Do you have any interesting stories?
The only caves I would want to go in have handrails and a gift shop! I recommend Howe's Caverns in New York. It also has a short boat ride on the tour.
"Never go caving alone"
Dude, I've seen all your videos. I'm never caving, diving, or doing any activity that might land me on this channel...
Water doesnt take much depth to have power.
I remember i was driving to work one day. Hit a traffic snag where the road was flooded. It didnt appear deep, and other cars were there. So i went through. Only it was deep. I knew if i stopped, my car would stall. I drove a small coupe and remember looking out the driverside window and saw the waterline was just below the window! Still i pushed through. It wasnt going to get deeper, and i'd already passed the deepest portion and on the 2nd half. I just concentrated on driving. And then a huge semi truck passed on my right. The wake from the much larger vehicle lifted my car and i could feel it loose the connection to the road and float toward the median. Kept my cool. My car eventually settled back and i continued to work. I was lucky.
Never underestimate the power of water!
Water is incredibly powerful. A big enough wave can topple your ship or flood your town. And with enough time it will eat even through the hardest rock.
Water is the ultimate soft power. Respect it!
@@HappyBeezerStudios And remember: it's incompressible. It'll give upon you every bit of force it has in it or applied to it (Newton's 3rd law) without a millimetre of give.
Every year in Kenya, during the rainy season, we loose tens/dozens of people to flooded roads and drivers who attempt to drive through the flooded road. Last year or the year before we had one of the biggest tragedies when the driver a bus full of 60+ passengers, on their way to a funeral, attempted to drive through a flooded road and got swept into the river. A lot of people passed away from that one mistake.. Since then, I make it a point to find alternate routes or park the car on the side of the road and wait out the floods rather than attempt to drive through it after seeing so many get swept away with people unable to help.
Hal is either a gifted and competent cave diver with bad luck… or a verrry crafty serial killer D:
Lol with all the ways to kill someone and make look like a accident like something like that. Insane
if you listen to the story after the caving he jumped off from a building:) i kinda doubt the 2nd option
@@notkurumidifferent person, they're talking about Hal the diver from the 1st story
@notkurumi you forgot the video has 2 other stories lmfao
That last one is gonna stay with me. That man had such a tender, pure heart. Really reminds me of my dad. They even looked alike. I'm gonna go have a good cry now.
I'm sorry 😢
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😂😂😂😂 pathetic
@@DiamondCake2 I'm sorry your dad didn't love you, but it appears he made the right choice.
The last story was so, so tragic. A little warning heeded by the man leaving the cave would have saved 4 lives. Let us heed the warnings of others. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
the sinkhole dive plot twist - how HAL the diver was cutting out the competition by luring people in to "search" for things back in the 70s
6:00
Why were his equipments outside? Dude took them off just to fit in? Thats calling for death.
I was also thinking that, why did he leave his equipment?
Sometimes cavers will ditch equipment and even clothes to fit through a tight squeeze
@@saintazepam That should tell you that you should not go through.
@@einstien2409 I completely agree with you, but I meant that it usually happens once the caver is *already* in the middle of a squeeze and the only way out is forward, they must keep going or remain stuck
@@saintazepam That makes sense but if your going into a cave and the only way out is back. It's not a smart decision to go forward without your gear. If you can't go in with your gear I doubt you will have enough room to turn around and retrieve your gears.
I like how the title is such an innocent phrase that on its face doesnt carry too much horror, but after you understand what getting stuck entails it really carries some weight
Dang Bud was a whole disaster cyclone in that second story. RIP but lord.
It's likely in large part due to nitrogen narcosis, but wow it was really frustrating to hear that being narrated out
He was a threat to his friends
@FlyLeah I know right. I don't wanna fully blame him because I know it's instinct to panic like that but jeez he almost got 2 other people killed!
@@mattman2964 he was basicly tripping balls at that point
@@thePyiott I’ve got no clue how nitrogen narcosis works, but as someone who’s both been tripping balls and watched other people trip balls, it all depends on where your head is at. He really shouldn’t be diving like that if he panics so easily, just like people i’ve seen shouldn’t be tripping for the same reason-
16:33 Wow, approaching 9 years old and he's already accomplished so much, I can definitely see why he's seen as a living legend!
He was -45 years old when this happened 😂
I heard that too and thought my brain amde that up wtf :D
That's what I thought, too. Imagine the accomplishments he'll make before he's even an adult.
Interesting stories as always, but I noticed a couple of errors in the video:
- 10:32 you refer to Fred regaining consciousness but it should be Hal as at this point Fred is presumed dead (this really confused me at first)
- 09:38 the audio cuts off abruptly and then repeats itself
also 16:33 bro is 9 years old
I like caving disasters especially combining diving with caving because it makes me feel better about all the dumb things I've done in life.
I tell myself
"At least I'm not that stupid "
folks, i once got stuck with a turtleneck shirt. Was terrifying. I AM NEVER GOING IN A CAVE.
@@ariadne1696 Yes!
One of my biggest fears is getting stuck in clothes I'm trying on in a shop's changing room lol. Even being trapped by fabric is enough to make me panic. I do not understand how anyone could go in a cave
I was spinning in a rope swing as a kid and we’d wind it up around us and then release so it would spin us around quickly until it completely straightened out. One day after school it didn’t go right and I ended up almost hanging myself! I was on my top toes with a rope tangled around my neck. One of my sisters grabbed a knife and sawed through the rope so I could get free. It was terrifying honestly.
So…. Anything that requires tight spaces or being confined is not for me.
@@jacquelinekenknight9280
Ya, I remember doing that with swings too. We would double over and almost pass out as we wound it so frikn tight our eyes would bulge! Lol!
But now, approaching 67 I almost pass out just standing up!🤣👴🏻
I'm sorry but I laughed so hard I cried with this comment
I love your videos. Hooks me on the crazy stories every time.
One pet peeve though. The text you place on the screen for us to read disappears in the wrong direction. The thing you haven't read yet disappears first, making it incredibly frustrating, especially for those who don't read quickly.
Seconded.
And the background noise/notes is too loud
What gets me is how these idiots make others risk their lives to get them out. I have seen some videos where hundreds of rescuers including civilians, police, fire & rescue, even the Navy on one. At the very least these cavers who get stuck should have to pay the costs for their own rescues. Seems fair to me.
It always baffles me. The sheer stupidity involved in crawling into holes under ground, when you have the option to simply don't
16 RIP Fred. And those poor girls. God bless them
9:35-9:43 there is a repeated/cut off line here btw xD
Love the video as always!
Also 10:30 Fred opens his eyes but still doesn’t know where Fred is… lol
@@lidooflol good catch
I really really love caves, and want to get more into caving.. but these videos depicting what could go wrong are so important to think about. I will never underestimate a little bit of rain, never go anywhere underground without 1) somebody to go with me and 2) an emergency plan of action, and I'll never go without somebody on the surface knowing where I am and when I expect to be back.
Happy Valentines Day everyone!
9:30 that double-take with the droning music...that's pretty eerie when you're completely engrossed in the story.
Why am I watching this, I have a panic attack and can’t breathe when I get tangled in my sweater…. Nope nope and NOPE
I can't stop watching scary interesting
i have become physically dependent
Yall glazers
I have an addiction
every single sunday! and this wednesday was a bonus lol
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@@aaronblake2899what are withdrawals like? Do you become unrealistically brave and disinterested? 😂
Everytime I see a cave or think of one, the background music from your videos starts to play
It requires a very special kind of stupid to even end up stuck a dozen of meters inside of a tight cave with no one else aware of it.
Yup, the very important thing that counts for both caving and urban exploration: tell someone where you're going and when you plan to be back.
That way if something happens, they notice that you haven't come back and where to look.
Getting stuck in some cave or ruin is bad enough. Getting stuck there with nobody coming to look for you is worse.
I don't think stupid. Maybe lethally optimistic.
Not just below ground hikes too. Ask Aaron Ralston movie 127 hrs about him in Utah slot canyons. He sawed off his wrist and hand trapped under a Boulder
before going underground it's standard caving procedure is to ALWAYS ensure someone on the surface knows:
- The name of the cave you're going down, it's grid reference and in a large cave system, the route intended.
- The number of people in the group, their experience levels and how they're equipped.
- The expected time out AND a call out time for Cave Rescue. I usually make this 3-4 hours later if they haven't heard anything, as it's common for delays to happen or trips to take longer than expected.
- Registration number of the vehicle(s). This can be useful for Cave rescue/the police when checking vehicles parked close to the cave.
@@HappyBeezerStudios And never go alone!
Man, that last one . . . as soon as he said "it had been raining" you knew what was coming.
It's mind-blowing that not only did Michel explore a cave with little experience, he did it alone thought it was a good idea to squeeze through such a small.
I nearly asphyxiated in a cave once. I checked the oxygen when I was half way in CO2. Confined spaces are dangerous and have been the cause of many workplace fatalities too, not just in caves.
I attended a Safety meeting at work. It's a reasonably large facility, and was only familiar with a small selection. Anyway I asked if the facility had confined spaces. The head of Safety nearly turned white and said, "No, thank God."
CO2 becomes lethal at 3% concentration. I doubt you would have survived 50%
I started watching your videos on a whim while researching caving incidents, now I’ve binged most of em- love your content man, keep up the good work!
I really enjoy these videos. Sitting in my comfy chair. With a warm cup of tea. And my soft blanket. At home.
Cave diving looks like it could be an amazing experience but I'm cool with just never knowing and just hearing about it 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
"It was raining a little but that didn't bother them."
Yep, you know exactly where this is going....
Last story was one of the most tragic stories i’ve ever heard. Embodiment of survivor’s guilt too. As an australian resident who’s been to most of the country, our weather is crazy and the wilderness can be extremely uninhabitable. I hope the teacher is at rest and so are those kids
sorry but thats not survivor's guilt. just plain guilt. he was kinda dumb as a supposed expert oudoorsman
thats his fault
Thank you for your videos. I’m going through a rough time dealing with my husband’s cancer complications and your videos are somehow so comforting to me despite the tragedies they cover. Your videos really mean a lot to a lot of people ❤
@@kroser24 Thank you, very kind of you to take the time to say that.
@@RightsForZombies I understand. I'm going through my own health challenges and stories like these are reminders that I'm okay right now haha. Best wishes to you and your husband
@RightsForZombies I would advise you to cut as much meat and dairy products as possible... my father survived and beat prostate cancer and his doctors even told him that he would relapse, but trough his plant based diet and more sporty lifestyle his indicators became way better :)
Dont loose hope
@@lucky-lu6tc I appreciate the advice, my husband is the one with cancer rather than me. It’s stage 4 but his treatment has finally started to see improvement, it’s the side-effects from his meds that are making him sick right now.
His oncology dietician actually wants him eating as much protein as possible so he’s been doing that, but I’m very glad to hear your dad survived and is doing really well and appreciate the encouragement.
Interesting fun fact:
If you worked at minimum wage in 1975, it would take you 55.8 hours of work to afford the $145 safety vest. If you work for a minimum wage in 2024 it would take you 90.4 hours of work to afford the same inflation adjusted vest at $1500. This is just pure numbers and does not include the increases in taxes and other things that eat into your wages. This is also done with Canadian averages.
more like ‘intensely depressing fact’ rather than fun.
If you're only making minimum wage, and buying $1,500 vests...your priorities are definitely messed up. But hey, all that crippling inflation from government spending was totally worth it, right???
@@Youre-Welcome minimum wage is the only hard numbers that I can get from that time and I used it to illustrate the sheer price increases. Everything else would’ve been an estimation. I would imagine that considering real wages have stagnated since 70s that number is even worse. My dad worked at the mill in high school in the 70’s and when we did wage conversion, he was making the 2024 equivalent of $42 an hour
@@Youre-Welcomeit’s from government printing money
yes based on my calculations of average salary per day in Australia in 1980 and 2024, the average weekly income in 1980 was roughly the average daily income now. pretty sure it was male income but it may have been male and female averages, averaging over all states. factor was roughly 7.5x increase today in todays dollars. the 10x sounds about right.
do you really like caving if you haven't lost at least 5 of your closest friends in a caving accident
For better or worse, your disaster stories have completely dissuaded me from cave diving and spelunking. I know me well enough to know I’d push it into unsafe territory.
The actual cause of death in the first story was: idiocy.
its called being a pole
@@cactuslietuva he did perish vertically.
Also, only 14m away from entrance. 0 experience really showed xd
You are one of few that make the sponsor ads good to listen to no matter what it is. And nice ones.
The more i watch your videos the more i am convinced that i am mad... how on earth such disturbing content can make me feel so calm and relaxed 😐 btw awesome job and videos wish you success on your channel
Well damn……you were absolutely correct my dude, the last story most certainly was so much worse! 🤦♀️🥺How many times have you heard about stories where a “teacher/expedition leader” put many lives at risk because of arrogance or they wouldn’t admit they were unqualified or wouldn’t except “defeat” or some other nonsense reasons and then when shit hits the fan, they are all so ready to blame everyone and everything else but not themselves……
But here you have a guy who did pretty much NONE of those things and tho of course with hindsight he made a slight error in judgment and all but when disaster occurred he wasted absolutely zero time and almost immediately risked his life to endlessly search for hours and hours…basically disregarding his own safety in what I’m sure he knew in the back of his mind was completely hopeless endeavor regardless!
Then, afterwards what does he do…we’ll he more or less thought and probably told others that the only one/thing that was at fault was himself, period! As I’m sure his troubled mind would have told him exactly that, regardless of the veracity of such a claim being probably quite far from the truth of what others probably tried to tell him….since at the end of the day he was exonerated fully in the matter.
But even if he was alive when that was announced, I seriously doubt that it would have helped much to relieve him of guilt in his own mind anyways,
Ugh…so yea…if the way that you portrayed/explained the whole thing…i.e the “expedition”, the accident, his actions(rescue efforts) and his self blame etc…are truly correct that holy shit my dude! Cause I mean like ffs the whole damn thing is just freaking awful and extremely sad imo.
……oh and btw, before some douche bag starts spotty nonsense (as there’s always at least 1 of.them floating around in the comment section just waiting to display said douchery for all to see🤦♀️😅) I’m not saying that he was 100% “blameless” or that he played no part in all this, as regardless of everything, at the end of the day those kids were in a way “his responsibility” I know that, I will also (somewhat) concede that yes…and so, his decisions did technically get them into their predicament in the first place. But anyone with a brain can see that those things don’t always add up to that person being “to blame”. Which of course is likely why he was officially exonerated for it. Still…sooo freaking sad y’all!🥺😭
It’s just truly awful! 🤦♀️🥺Poor guy just wanted relief from his (*imo* false proclamation/self belief of his) guilt
Even closer to that 1 mil! I have commented this before, but I have watched you grow this channel from a few thousand subs all the way to now and I am honored to have witnessed all of the journey. I just want to say, congratulations! You are doing amazing. You just keep on improving and growing!
Its Michal (Michał), best translated to Michael. 😂 Another amazing video, Thanks for your work!
Thanks for the correction!
Remove the fucking background music @@ScaryInteresting
@@legacygtb5934 no
@@legacygtb5934dont watch if u dont like it
On the last story, I love that you said that the man FELL from whatever floor of a building instead of saying that he jumped, which is more likely. Way to keep it classy Sean. IMO, when you first started your biggest competition was Mr Ballen. Now I look at you two as even. Soon you'll pass him up in subscribers and technique.
This channel has basically taught me how not to get trapped/lost and die if I'm ever diving, caving, or mountain climbing 😂
Me too. Don't go into caves; don't go diving; don't go into caves while diving... 🙃🤣 and mountain climbing? Eh, I'm better off leaving the mountains to themselves. 😊
The main thing is to go with someone experienced who knows what they're doing and use some common sense. The vast majority of accidents are preventable and down to inexperience.
@speleokeir lots of accidents happen precisely because someone “experienced” thinks s/he knows what s/he’s doing and hence gets dismissive of risks.
Also, if you make a mistake because you’re inexperienced, even other “experienced” ppl may not be able to save you and/or will risk their lives to save you. if you think “experience” is key to staying alive, you haven’t watched enough of these vids.
Ultimately, when a creature goes against its healthy God/nature-given sense of self preservation and starts doing all these unnecessarily risky things, something is wrong with that creature. No animal will do anything of the sort, only Darwin-award seeking humans.
There’s absolutely no justifiable need for any kind of cave-“exploring” and/or rock climbing and/or anything in between.
A big reason why I have no desire to go diving especially in a cave. Also the first responders are risking their lives to go on these rescues and some have died.