One thing i think you should mention to newer raiders is actually the “enfeeblements” part of HUD. Many mechanic’s solutions require you to do something specific based on a de-buff that the boss gives you. Highly recommend that part of HUD is clearly visable/large.
That is a very good tip! I think it depends on the player how much they need to adjust their HUD, but being aware of debuffs and effects in general is a very good idea, regardless of what it takes for the individual to pay attention to them!
P10S is a good example of a recent fight that does this. I play NIN too so it was pretty important for me to adjust my HUD to show buffs/debuffs separately.
Also recommend! When doing masked carnival for blue mage I had to notice debuffs and timing of them, so I enlarged debuffs to track that. It's helped so much for extremes and savage.
I would like to add that party finder lets you do a filtered search. You can even make it so you only see pf's for groups specifically looking for your current job. Makes it so much easier and faster to find groups especially if you're maining a popular job or if there are over 100 pf's up.
That is a great tip! I believe if you filter for groups looking for your current job it even filters out groups that just have the "one player per job" setting on, if the group has your job already Thank you!
I feel like there's one thing to say that's missing from a guide like this... The training dummy. It's so much easier on yourself and everyone in your party if you go do some research on how your job is played, and give it some practice on a training dummy. Openers contribute a huge amount of DPS as all buffs easily align there. Furthermore, especially for you healers out there, someone needs to tell you to not use Cure 1 in a savage raid :p So, before you go into a savage, hit up a training dummy and some job guides to ensure you know exactly what to do with your job. My greatest tip to help this goes to the healers out there, and that's utilising your full toolkit. I cannot even start to count the amount of times i've seen Sages that don't use Haima. White Mages that don't use Asylum. And to my horror, even an Astrologian that didn't use cards. Don't be that person, make sure you come prepared for difficult content by knowing what your job can and should do.
I feel like I somewhat alluded to the idea of preparing yourself and learning your job at around 4:08 when I suggested watching or reading a guide, even for a job you are confident you know! ^^ But I suppose I could have more bluntly said "GO TO A DUMMY AND PRACTICE!" xD But I don't think it is outright missing from this guide! :-) Aside from that, you are absolutely right that taking the time to properly make sure you haven't forgotten anything, and that you know somewhat whats most effective for your job before you start doing hard content is a very good idea! ^^
Seconded. Results may vary, obviously, since beating on the training dummy doesn't 100% translate to a real fight where you're much more likely to fudge your gcds during mechanics, but that's easily fixed with doing it more.
@@garbagebandit5934 The biggest thing i see with people who use the striking dummy is they only practice their opener and maybe 1-2 minutes of their rotation. You likely should be able to confidently do 4-6 minutes without thinking and it just being muscle memory. It really shows in savage and ulti prog when your not having to think at all about what your doing with your job during prog outside of fight specific optimizations once your comfy with mechanics. Even now when im sitting in PF to help groups and whatnot or waiting on people to get online, ill just randomly sit smacking the striking dummy just to make sure i have the muscle memory and get warmed up before actual pulls
@@cyntheticly I'll do that sometimes during raid night while waiting for people to get on. I'll deplete its hp bar, reset it, and then do it again a few times. Occasionally, I'll switch to another job to kick off some rust.
Having now been playing for an entire year and spending a good deal of time leveling jobs to level 90. Savage raiding for me is the benchmark I know I can dive into, but still have to get over my initial anxieties. Experience is the ultimate teacher and you never know until you try.
Absolutely! The scary thing about getting into savage is that you need experience there to be confident there, so you have to dive in. That's why the best I can do to help is advice on the things you can prepare so that you at the very least don't show up unprepared! 😊 Fortunately for those that find it too scary, savage raiding is also optional 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I always feel confident in knowing that I play as a DRK so I doubt I’d be that hard pressed on actually fitting into a composition, or at least as an off tank. Everything is about getting over your fears and steeling yourself to work together as a team, even if you want to curl up and hide from shame if things go south a few times. Though first I still need to meld my gear… But like you said, there is no shame in just not doing it if you really don’t think it’s something you can handle. Not everything needs to be done by everyone after all, just look at ultimate raiding. I want to at least have my first savage raid be recent I can say that for sure, but I’m in no rush either. To me it’s about the prestige more than mounts and gear. Even if it’s just a game.
I think wanting to do savage raiding for the sake of doing savage raids is a far better motivation than doing them for gear or mounts! Those things come as a bonus, but if you aren't there to savage raid, it can feel a lot more tedious, so I think that your motivation is perfect! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Thank you Caetsu, and I know a lot of what I’m saying it’s just pretty words and nice platitudes more than actually just straight up going to the party finder, but I know these kinds of videos exist because guys like you want to see people be brave and take that first step into something that can actually be a lot of fun. I watch videos about guides, and figuring out the Limit Cut and Baiting the lightning cones works in P9S genuinely made my neurons light up it felt like once I heard and saw how it’s supposed to be handled. And that’s the beauty of taking raiding more seriously in my eyes. Though to all those spurned by it due to past experiences, I hope they can find it in them to try again. I’m often reminded how easy going we are in 14, and I try to always do that as a tank. I just want to be helpful like all those that have helped me.
a note, groups are much less likely to accomodate double caster as they are double melee(this is standard) or double ranged phys(much easier to fake melee without cast bars)
This is very true! In fact, I'd imagine that double melee is the most common composition outside of exceptions where 3 ranged(mage or Rphys) is heavily preferred for some reason. However, as long as you have 1 of each type, the one Ranged Physical can be the fake melee in a double caster composition! So I left this kind of discussion out of the video because I felt it was too much up for debate to give a straight answer! :-) But thank you for the note! :D
Just wanted to get the information out there, as it may help some people understand why things are done that way now. In the past 2 casters was sometimes brought due to feint being fairly useless before EW, as it didn't do any magical mitigation and most AoE's in the high end content are magical. So in really hard fights having another 10% addle could make survivability far easier along with at the time most melee weren't miles above casters in damage. EW changed this quite a bit as melees do noticeably more dps than Phys range and casters atm (outside of BLM, and MCH (mch brings similar dps as most melee, but lacks a raid buff) due to almost every boss being 100% uptime with no effort required. Tried to tldr it, but that's the main reason you dont see double caster or phys range anymore. Funny thing is, in most fake melee situations usually a caster takes the melee spot and not the phys range. BLM as an example in most fights LOVES melee spots, as melees in strat designs are put in spots were they don't have to move nearly as much as the ranged people as they have to sit around the edge of the boss. Of course there are exceptions to this, but if you look at strats closely its a trend you'll start to notice.
@@cyntheticly I recall seeing the fake melee BLM back in Shadowbringers as well, but I only managed to experience it myself once so I didn't think it was enough data to claim it was common, but it makes very good sense when you think about it!
Im confused; how do you fill DPS slots without double melee? You could do Melee + MCH + Dancer + Caster but MCH feels a touch redundant when Samurai provides more damage, Ninja provides similar damage and more utility, and in either case you can assume you have a Maiming Job/Monk as your second melee. Or else youre going full prog with melee + mch + Smn + Rdm?
@@Nazuiko You dont need 2 melees, You can have 3 ranged. Most common non Double melee in the past is probably: Melee + BLM + Phys + Caster. This comp allowed BLM to get the melee spot which often in fights has the least movement due to melees sticking on to the edge of the boss, and allows a more mobile caster such as SMN to do the caster mechanics. I've done fake melee BLM in TEA a ton to give an example. In BJCC vs having to run back and forth across the arena in the caster spot. I move like twice for that entire boss in the melee one.
If you're hitting enrage in the 1st or 2nd fight in week 4 or 5, the problem is not tinctures. The DPS checks this tier are incredibly lenient. People playing their jobs properly and not dying and eating damage downs make a considerably larger difference than potting.
@@citriosis If you're seeing enrage this tier (no dps checks and we're in week 6+), it's because you had deaths and/or people aren't playing their jobs properly.
is it too late in the raid tier to try and find a static? i feel like most are recruiting for p11s and p12s at this point - should i just pf my way to p11 to improve my chances of finding a static?
That is a good question! I don't think it's too late, as there are many places where people might be recruiting so maybe there is a place you haven't looked. If you feel confident, you could also try and approach some of the groups recruiting for P11S honestly even if you don't have the prog. Maybe they are willing to take you and help you up to their level! Not all groups will do that, but there are some that might! In the worst case, you could start your own static, but you might not want to be a leader, which I would also understand, but that would certainly be the most effective solution if you can't find groups!
Maybe we just have to think outside of the box with vitality potion.. So l joined an ultima weapon garuda prog group by accident one day. So garuda will use a heavy hitting room wide aoe after she screams, leaves, then comes back. I find it is possible to survive without any mitigation Or shields If You got level 90 food, but your health bar would basically be empty. Maybe more mechanics can be cheesed in these old ultimate with vitality potion? Lol..
It is a possibility! Apparently one of the Alexander Savage fights does too much Unique Damage for Blue Mages to survive synced, and as it is Unique Damage, it ignores Diamondback and other damage reduction! The only option allegedly is Vitality Potion! I am not 100% sure if this is entirely true, as I was simply told about this specific case. But it is still a funny situation! And you are right that, perhaps, Vitality Potions can replace a cooldown in a tough spot! The main concern is that anything a Vitality Potion can do, usually defensive cooldowns can do just as well or better! And since you would be using damage boosting tinctures when you aim for the clear, that means Vitality is off the table! Although, just like Super Ethers can be great for healers on prog, maybe Vitality potions can be useful for the raid as a whole to try and cheese certain mechanics? Who knows!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh l know you can safely miss 2 towers in heaven's fall trio If you use tank lb3. Maybe you can safely miss 3 towers with vitality potion?... Yeah, people are supposed to catch all the towers but that can help cut down prog time, and that's the kind of cheese l am referring to. dps check on old ultimates is a joke now, So maybe that did open up an opportunity for vitality potion to help prog faster.
Well the thing is, UwU / UCoB are all fairly terribly scaled atm. UwU and UCoB outside of Ahk Morn in golden and some other exceptions (which the mit check is still fairly easy on) you can almost do every mechanic in those fights with like 10% mit and shields. its kinda nuts and needs some hella rebalancing.
Because I didn't have any savage footage on hand, but did have recent extreme footage on hand. Given that the video is about preparing for savage I didn't see it as particularly important 😊
Why is TH-cam showing me all these savage raiding videos today? Did savage raiders finally run out of people to abuse and they are trying to attract more or what?
I don't know? 😂 If you watch one then youtube would recommend you more I'd assume, but I also noticed by sheer coincidence that I wasn't the only one Releasing a video like this yesterday. 😊
My paywall thing..? If it is the membership thing you are talking about, you can see in the menu itself that it does not give you access to any extra content, so it doesn't exactly qualify as a paywall I don't think!🤔
You mean the thing that 'everyone else' does? And isn't really worth calling a specific person out on it cause it's not their fault TH-cam is shit like that?
One thing i think you should mention to newer raiders is actually the “enfeeblements” part of HUD. Many mechanic’s solutions require you to do something specific based on a de-buff that the boss gives you. Highly recommend that part of HUD is clearly visable/large.
That is a very good tip! I think it depends on the player how much they need to adjust their HUD, but being aware of debuffs and effects in general is a very good idea, regardless of what it takes for the individual to pay attention to them!
P10S is a good example of a recent fight that does this. I play NIN too so it was pretty important for me to adjust my HUD to show buffs/debuffs separately.
Also recommend! When doing masked carnival for blue mage I had to notice debuffs and timing of them, so I enlarged debuffs to track that.
It's helped so much for extremes and savage.
I would like to add that party finder lets you do a filtered search. You can even make it so you only see pf's for groups specifically looking for your current job.
Makes it so much easier and faster to find groups especially if you're maining a popular job or if there are over 100 pf's up.
That is a great tip! I believe if you filter for groups looking for your current job it even filters out groups that just have the "one player per job" setting on, if the group has your job already
Thank you!
I feel like there's one thing to say that's missing from a guide like this...
The training dummy.
It's so much easier on yourself and everyone in your party if you go do some research on how your job is played, and give it some practice on a training dummy. Openers contribute a huge amount of DPS as all buffs easily align there. Furthermore, especially for you healers out there, someone needs to tell you to not use Cure 1 in a savage raid :p
So, before you go into a savage, hit up a training dummy and some job guides to ensure you know exactly what to do with your job.
My greatest tip to help this goes to the healers out there, and that's utilising your full toolkit. I cannot even start to count the amount of times i've seen Sages that don't use Haima. White Mages that don't use Asylum. And to my horror, even an Astrologian that didn't use cards. Don't be that person, make sure you come prepared for difficult content by knowing what your job can and should do.
I feel like I somewhat alluded to the idea of preparing yourself and learning your job at around 4:08 when I suggested watching or reading a guide, even for a job you are confident you know! ^^ But I suppose I could have more bluntly said "GO TO A DUMMY AND PRACTICE!" xD But I don't think it is outright missing from this guide! :-)
Aside from that, you are absolutely right that taking the time to properly make sure you haven't forgotten anything, and that you know somewhat whats most effective for your job before you start doing hard content is a very good idea! ^^
Seconded. Results may vary, obviously, since beating on the training dummy doesn't 100% translate to a real fight where you're much more likely to fudge your gcds during mechanics, but that's easily fixed with doing it more.
@@garbagebandit5934 The biggest thing i see with people who use the striking dummy is they only practice their opener and maybe 1-2 minutes of their rotation. You likely should be able to confidently do 4-6 minutes without thinking and it just being muscle memory. It really shows in savage and ulti prog when your not having to think at all about what your doing with your job during prog outside of fight specific optimizations once your comfy with mechanics.
Even now when im sitting in PF to help groups and whatnot or waiting on people to get online, ill just randomly sit smacking the striking dummy just to make sure i have the muscle memory and get warmed up before actual pulls
@@cyntheticly I'll do that sometimes during raid night while waiting for people to get on. I'll deplete its hp bar, reset it, and then do it again a few times. Occasionally, I'll switch to another job to kick off some rust.
na, just pres boton and if other boton shine press that one.
Having now been playing for an entire year and spending a good deal of time leveling jobs to level 90. Savage raiding for me is the benchmark I know I can dive into, but still have to get over my initial anxieties. Experience is the ultimate teacher and you never know until you try.
Absolutely! The scary thing about getting into savage is that you need experience there to be confident there, so you have to dive in. That's why the best I can do to help is advice on the things you can prepare so that you at the very least don't show up unprepared! 😊
Fortunately for those that find it too scary, savage raiding is also optional 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I always feel confident in knowing that I play as a DRK so I doubt I’d be that hard pressed on actually fitting into a composition, or at least as an off tank. Everything is about getting over your fears and steeling yourself to work together as a team, even if you want to curl up and hide from shame if things go south a few times. Though first I still need to meld my gear…
But like you said, there is no shame in just not doing it if you really don’t think it’s something you can handle. Not everything needs to be done by everyone after all, just look at ultimate raiding. I want to at least have my first savage raid be recent I can say that for sure, but I’m in no rush either. To me it’s about the prestige more than mounts and gear. Even if it’s just a game.
I think wanting to do savage raiding for the sake of doing savage raids is a far better motivation than doing them for gear or mounts! Those things come as a bonus, but if you aren't there to savage raid, it can feel a lot more tedious, so I think that your motivation is perfect! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Thank you Caetsu, and I know a lot of what I’m saying it’s just pretty words and nice platitudes more than actually just straight up going to the party finder, but I know these kinds of videos exist because guys like you want to see people be brave and take that first step into something that can actually be a lot of fun.
I watch videos about guides, and figuring out the Limit Cut and Baiting the lightning cones works in P9S genuinely made my neurons light up it felt like once I heard and saw how it’s supposed to be handled. And that’s the beauty of taking raiding more seriously in my eyes. Though to all those spurned by it due to past experiences, I hope they can find it in them to try again. I’m often reminded how easy going we are in 14, and I try to always do that as a tank. I just want to be helpful like all those that have helped me.
a note, groups are much less likely to accomodate double caster as they are double melee(this is standard) or double ranged phys(much easier to fake melee without cast bars)
This is very true! In fact, I'd imagine that double melee is the most common composition outside of exceptions where 3 ranged(mage or Rphys) is heavily preferred for some reason.
However, as long as you have 1 of each type, the one Ranged Physical can be the fake melee in a double caster composition!
So I left this kind of discussion out of the video because I felt it was too much up for debate to give a straight answer! :-)
But thank you for the note! :D
Just wanted to get the information out there, as it may help some people understand why things are done that way now.
In the past 2 casters was sometimes brought due to feint being fairly useless before EW, as it didn't do any magical mitigation and most AoE's in the high end content are magical. So in really hard fights having another 10% addle could make survivability far easier along with at the time most melee weren't miles above casters in damage. EW changed this quite a bit as melees do noticeably more dps than Phys range and casters atm (outside of BLM, and MCH (mch brings similar dps as most melee, but lacks a raid buff) due to almost every boss being 100% uptime with no effort required.
Tried to tldr it, but that's the main reason you dont see double caster or phys range anymore.
Funny thing is, in most fake melee situations usually a caster takes the melee spot and not the phys range. BLM as an example in most fights LOVES melee spots, as melees in strat designs are put in spots were they don't have to move nearly as much as the ranged people as they have to sit around the edge of the boss. Of course there are exceptions to this, but if you look at strats closely its a trend you'll start to notice.
@@cyntheticly I recall seeing the fake melee BLM back in Shadowbringers as well, but I only managed to experience it myself once so I didn't think it was enough data to claim it was common, but it makes very good sense when you think about it!
Im confused; how do you fill DPS slots without double melee?
You could do Melee + MCH + Dancer + Caster but MCH feels a touch redundant when Samurai provides more damage, Ninja provides similar damage and more utility, and in either case you can assume you have a Maiming Job/Monk as your second melee.
Or else youre going full prog with melee + mch + Smn + Rdm?
@@Nazuiko You dont need 2 melees, You can have 3 ranged. Most common non Double melee in the past is probably: Melee + BLM + Phys + Caster.
This comp allowed BLM to get the melee spot which often in fights has the least movement due to melees sticking on to the edge of the boss, and allows a more mobile caster such as SMN to do the caster mechanics.
I've done fake melee BLM in TEA a ton to give an example. In BJCC vs having to run back and forth across the arena in the caster spot. I move like twice for that entire boss in the melee one.
All my experience on the NA servers has been with the marker dance... I've never seen people use macros in PF lol
Indeed, I've been told NA is particularly fond of the marker dance, but genuinely I've never seen it in action myself! 😄
Man all those P10S enrages this week could've been avoided if I had used a tincture 😭
Hindsight is always 20/20! I do recommend grabbing some tinctures to bring along now if you don't have any with you yet, Ultear!
@CaetsuChaijiCh Just bought some off the marketboard. Ain't no way I'm gonna enrage at 0.1% again 💀
If you're hitting enrage in the 1st or 2nd fight in week 4 or 5, the problem is not tinctures. The DPS checks this tier are incredibly lenient. People playing their jobs properly and not dying and eating damage downs make a considerably larger difference than potting.
This may be true, but if you fail an attempt by a very small amount due to enrage, you could skip the additional attempts and get the clear sooner 😊
@@citriosis If you're seeing enrage this tier (no dps checks and we're in week 6+), it's because you had deaths and/or people aren't playing their jobs properly.
is it too late in the raid tier to try and find a static? i feel like most are recruiting for p11s and p12s at this point - should i just pf my way to p11 to improve my chances of finding a static?
That is a good question!
I don't think it's too late, as there are many places where people might be recruiting so maybe there is a place you haven't looked.
If you feel confident, you could also try and approach some of the groups recruiting for P11S honestly even if you don't have the prog. Maybe they are willing to take you and help you up to their level! Not all groups will do that, but there are some that might!
In the worst case, you could start your own static, but you might not want to be a leader, which I would also understand, but that would certainly be the most effective solution if you can't find groups!
Maybe we just have to think outside of the box with vitality potion.. So l joined an ultima weapon garuda prog group by accident one day. So garuda will use a heavy hitting room wide aoe after she screams, leaves, then comes back. I find it is possible to survive without any mitigation Or shields If You got level 90 food, but your health bar would basically be empty. Maybe more mechanics can be cheesed in these old ultimate with vitality potion? Lol..
It is a possibility! Apparently one of the Alexander Savage fights does too much Unique Damage for Blue Mages to survive synced, and as it is Unique Damage, it ignores Diamondback and other damage reduction! The only option allegedly is Vitality Potion! I am not 100% sure if this is entirely true, as I was simply told about this specific case. But it is still a funny situation!
And you are right that, perhaps, Vitality Potions can replace a cooldown in a tough spot! The main concern is that anything a Vitality Potion can do, usually defensive cooldowns can do just as well or better! And since you would be using damage boosting tinctures when you aim for the clear, that means Vitality is off the table! Although, just like Super Ethers can be great for healers on prog, maybe Vitality potions can be useful for the raid as a whole to try and cheese certain mechanics? Who knows!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh l know you can safely miss 2 towers in heaven's fall trio If you use tank lb3. Maybe you can safely miss 3 towers with vitality potion?... Yeah, people are supposed to catch all the towers but that can help cut down prog time, and that's the kind of cheese l am referring to. dps check on old ultimates is a joke now, So maybe that did open up an opportunity for vitality potion to help prog faster.
Well the thing is, UwU / UCoB are all fairly terribly scaled atm. UwU and UCoB outside of Ahk Morn in golden and some other exceptions (which the mit check is still fairly easy on) you can almost do every mechanic in those fights with like 10% mit and shields. its kinda nuts and needs some hella rebalancing.
How come there's no savage footage in this?
Because I didn't have any savage footage on hand, but did have recent extreme footage on hand. Given that the video is about preparing for savage I didn't see it as particularly important 😊
Why is TH-cam showing me all these savage raiding videos today? Did savage raiders finally run out of people to abuse and they are trying to attract more or what?
I don't know? 😂 If you watch one then youtube would recommend you more I'd assume, but I also noticed by sheer coincidence that I wasn't the only one Releasing a video like this yesterday. 😊
stop bothering me about joining your paywall thing, you won't be getting any of my money
My paywall thing..? If it is the membership thing you are talking about, you can see in the menu itself that it does not give you access to any extra content, so it doesn't exactly qualify as a paywall I don't think!🤔
You mean the thing that 'everyone else' does? And isn't really worth calling a specific person out on it cause it's not their fault TH-cam is shit like that?
LMFAO my god. Imagine taking a general call to action personally.