I asked them about it, here is the answer I got: Regarding the extra cost the Black Edition BRAVURA headphone has a far more expensive and luxurious soft-touch finish, and the Black Amplifier has hand-engraved markings (rather than screen printed as on the Silver Amp) on the front and rear panels and there is a special BLACK EDITION badge on the lid of the Black Amplifier. Also the headphone cable has black LEMO connectors which are a premium price over the standard silver ones.
At this price point I'm not surprised lol In the luxury car world it can cost the customer thousands of dollars just for a carbon fibre hood. But at that price point you're not looking to save money, and so the dealership can charge more.
Two questions: 1) Have you measured the distortion, especially at 100+db? The old Sonoma Model 1 ran out of headroom really fast and distortion past 95db or so became a problem. 2) How much of this sound is due to DSP correction and how much of it is the natural FR of the headphones? The second is important, because you can get top-tier sound by taking a decent enough electrostatic headphone and EQing it to sound neutral. As long as the headphone isn't too ringy or resonant, and as long as the distortion is under control and your amp is powerful enough, you can make it sound really natural and all-around excellent with EQ. I'm using a L700 mk1 in my system - slightly modded - and surprise surprise, when you EQ it to sound like an HD600, it kinda does, except with much higher technicalities. Anyway, nice to see the penny drop for DMS with regards to electrostatic headphones. There are just so many really crappy ones on the market right now and people have the wrong idea over what they're supposed to sound like. They really can sound very natural, lively, exciting, with great bass, while keeping the speed and detail they're known for. Emphasis, however, on CAN. Stax lately has been shoveling out badly tuned crap and it's getting praise because bruh the detail. It doesn't matter how airy or detailed your stuff is, it also has to sound right.
@@dannybos7024 You don't. But you have some music where the dynamic peaks are that high while the rest of it isn't. And you want to be able to reproduce them. Also, if you equalize, you need your headphones to be able to play above normal listening level cause you'll be lowering the overall output to avoid clipping.
The L700 is built like crap though. The price difference is in the build and the fact that the headphone is near perfectly tuned out of the box. EQ is too cumbersome for most people.
@@randomdudeman4782 Ancient reply, but I promise you that no one competent is leaving in 25 dB peaks in their music, that's something you remove during the mastering process. It doesn't exist. I say this as a recording engineer, we remove peaks like that in a heartbeat. Keeping the entire rest of the track at -25 dB just to blow your ears out occasionally is not good mastering. The second part is fair, but you should not be boosting more than 6-8 dB anywhere if you don't want unwanted distortion. 90 dB is the absolute max you'd EVER need any system to go, and it is purely for EQ reasons. If you're not EQing, 85 dB is plenty.
Great review! You mention the mid range and treble tuning "might not be as exciting", could you elaborate? Also, how would you compare them to the Diana V2?
Man just sounded anemic at Socal CanJam with the caveat that I was on the main floor with quite a bit of crowd noise. Just not fortunate enough to listen to it in a quiet enviornment.
What about dynamics? Why did you not talk about the one thing electrostatics fall short on? I'm sure its better than planars around the $1500, but is it as dynamic as the lcd 5 or susvara?
@@sephondranzer dynamic headphones will always have the advantage in dynamics, and focal headphones and fostex headphones are the best it gets. But they have a array of other problems. Estates are more comparable to planars in their advantages, but are less consistent due to poor dynamics. The bravura would need to be a MASSIVE improvement to be comparable to the other TOTL planars.
@@DMS3TV you sure about that? Golden sound was very clear it was not as dynamic as the susvara. Remember i am ONLY talking about dynamics. I just want to know that is exactly what you a referring to and nothing else.
@@DMS3TV And what about "punch" for music like hip hop where you don't just want the presence of the lowest frequencies but also to be hit by the groove so that you start nodding your head and tapping your feet without even knowing it? 😃
I'm CTO of xMEMS. Just wondering would you be interested in reviewing a "complete IEM system" based on xMEMS driver? As you know, we can EQ our response to any target curve you fancy, although I'm not sure whether forcing an IEM to have the same frequency response measurements of an over-the-ear headphones is the right thing to do?
I prefer them over any stax, and expanse isn’t in this league. 1266 is more “exciting” in tuning, Bravura is a lot more neutral and lighter weight. Edit: susvara is great, but my preferences lean much farther to bravura and I feel it has stronger technical capabilities.
Bravura is better than all of those I'd say but it doesn't have the macro dynamics/slam/impact (just like all electrostats) that the 1266 TC has. If you don't care about that and listen to softer music genres, the Bravura is the best. If you need strong bass and slam and listen to metal/EDM/Rap etc. 1266 TC.
@@TheSPazCORE I had the bravura for 30 days and unfortunately I had to return it . It was like you said the best headphone indeed but it has a MAJOR issue. It does clip/distort at over 12 o clock on the volume dial which is an absolute deal breaker. Just like on the Sonoma M1 you can't listen louder . They improved it but it is still a prototype unit. The Aperio doesn't have this issue because of its specific dual driver but it's forever hidden behind a pay wall
Curious, ... How would the Dan Clark Audio Expanse stack up? I have a Burson Soloist GM that I use as a pre amp for a pair of AHB2s, and a nearfield setup with a Questyle CMA Fifteen dac amp so was looking to Expanse as my end game. This throws a wrinkle 🙂... The Expanse could be used on both the Burson and Questyle, or even with my iFi Diablo so a big advantage (and less $). But my goal is really endgame headphone so priority is how it will play. Any feedback would help and ideally if you can do a review of the Expanse and compare to the Bravura system, using the Expanse w the Burson Soloist GT 🙂, that'd be very interesting! Thanks!
having heard both the expanse and bravura at canjam. bravura wins, no contest. expanse are fine, but there's no 'magic' to them. the aperio are even better, but no 4-5x the price better.
I own the 1266 TC and tried the Bravura. If you don't care too much about bass, the Bravura is easily better. You miss the impact/slam and booming sub-bass from the Abyss, but everything else is as good or better on the Bravura.
@@AliArghavan I imagine that's why they made it this way with DSP correction. So they can force customers to use a proprietary box to make them sound at all decent.
I was going to buy this setup but I've decided to use the money on a carbon ceramic brake upgrade on my new Ferrari instead 🤣 $11k in Australia and the Aperio is an eye watering $50k!
@@x32i77 OK - I was talking Australian dollars but if that price in USD is correct then it brings the price down to $40k Australian with duty and shipping. I had a look on Adorama but couldn't find any Warwick Acoustics gear? Maybe I'm geo-blocked on that brand.
@@markg3789 it appears the listing has been taken down, someone needs to check it via HTML inspector to confirm (can't access it here in india and through other vpns too so not only an australia thing) audio 46 works well
Ah yes. A 1K bump and 2K recess with a large hump around 4k. Planar/e-stat classic features. Funny how those specific traits are a constant that very few get away from with planar/e-stats.
Seems that the answer is no. But the previous headphone (Sonoma) used the same dac/amp as far as I understand. So the upside is the next model may as well, and you can have both headphones or all three with the dac/amp system assuming you want to buy into this ecosystem, so to speak.
Heya 🙂 When you are reviewing the ~$25.000 Warwick Aperio, could you please have a look at what digital inputs the DAC supports? It does come with a network port. Does it have Spotify / Tidal connect? Gapless Tidal playback? Does it have full Rune integration? It's just that I'd like to not use USB when possible, and spending that kind of cash, I expect not having a Bluesound node (or some such) required.
Its always fun to guess the price from hearing reviewers compare cans to other headphones. I was thinking $5,000 compared to susvara with more detail and was pleasantly surprised
This is the part of the hobby that I do not enjoy, these are 7k with the amp Jesus my last car was 6k and I have had it 7 years now. Im sure they sound so great and anything thats this price damn well better. Got the Meze 109s and now the new Focal BT headphones on my list and thats 1500.
@@rherbm oh man, thanks for the reply. I took a blind shot and went for the elites. Here’s more info if you’re curious.. TL;DR They sound ok and are comfy. My left ear touches the back grill with the hybrid pads because they’re thinner, that’s why I prefer the Alcantara. As for sound, there was a slightly sibilant area around 12-15khz or so (hi-hats on my chain - meze silver cable paired with earmen angel) but i think my brain adjusted or something else happened and I don’t notice it/ doesn’t bother me as much anymore. The mids are not as forward as the HD600 but they sound very similar. Matter of fact the HD600 sounds 85% the same so it was a bit difficult for me to justify keeping them. The reason why I keep them is because they’re way more comfortable and I wear em for hours on end. Hopefully this gives you another perspective on these cans if you ever plan on up/sidegrading and are passionate about throwing crazy amounts of money on audio gear
It's actually fine. I've worked on Estat headphones (built my own). Voltage isn't dangerous, amperage is. These are actually pretty low amperage and receiving a discharge from the driver might be a little unpleasant, but not dangerous. The only dangerous current potential is if you start messing around inside the amplifier circuitry while it's hot.
What noone of this payed reviewers is telling you. The Bravura has no punch and slam in the bass and it dissorts at louder volumes very fast. Among that, it sounds like he described it.
Im a owner and I never had disturbing experience when listening to trash and heavy metal as opera or classic. maybe for club music that I don’t listening too
Sorry guys, love your content but this is a fluff piece a la Headfi not a review. We get that it’s a system with DSP built in. Where’s the comparison to the SR007 or SR009 with EQ? Can this beat the Stax flagships or the Audeze CRBN if EQ is allowed? That’s the real question not a passing comparison to Meze which is totally irrelevant
Not gonna apologize for loving a headphone. I mentioned the stax. I don’t find the 007 or 009 remotely comparable. CRBN maybe with considerable EQ, but you can’t really change the comfort.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez and likely a better value, from what I gather the susvara and others in this price range still need another 2-4k worth of dacs/amps to even sound right, so it is actually a better deal.
Am I reading this wrong or is it a shit show under 60 Hz? Bass boosted at 70 Hz? It’s barely above target there. Just a sliver. I must not be understanding something about the interpretation here because other than the fact that there’s no obvious low frequency roll off, this thing is seriously anemic in the sub bass region.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. Additionally, the measurements would seem to contradict DMS’ subjective impressions of the bass and sub-bass. Perhaps, as he noted, the seal of the headphones is paramount to this sub bass extension and slam (otherwise this shifts the peak into slightly higher frequencies) and during the test the seal wasn’t 100% optimized? But I’m always inclined to believe my ears and use measurements as a secondary, or even tertiary value.
@@stevenkoos I have the Bravura here, these headphones absolutely seal the front volume between your ear and the driver, therefore the "flat" response down to 20hz, (same principle applies for the glued Audeze pads and their bass extension). I guess the hump centered around 75 is due to DSP, but not sure. Anyways, even when trying to EQ the Subbass below 60Hz up about 5dB, there is a notable drop off in sub bass volume below 35Hz, so no, you wont get the deepest sub-bass. On the other hand, the midbass sounds phenomaly fast and clean, no bloat due to no excess boast above 100Hz. And trust me, the impact is actually great. And i am not speaking about electrostats, but in general.
Lol.. How much do they cost again?? I never heard him mention price? $XX,XXX ??? I think that elusive "perfection" should be what exuberant amounts of cash should be buying ? $5000 Utopia does it all..as it should. I really do enjoy what an electrostatic headphone can do! Liking Stax L-700mk2 very much! That's about $2k for that system? An $800 pair of Bathys is really looking like happiness ever after for me. More for way way less communicates a targeted goal I choose to live with. Diminishing returns is a very real & expensive pursuit. I'd be very interested to see which Focal moves more units? I'm betting their "Clear" originals peak production & demands? They're just too bass shy for my preference.
@@jamiesmith6838 one caveat to my comment, I couldn't listen to my own music and there was another listener in the booth with me. The booth was quiet enough not to hear the show floor but the other guy's music may have been even more distracting. They could have been incredible but I didn't get a chance to listen in a quiet environment.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez So like double that in my country. Not that I could afford them anyway but still that's a huge amount of money to spend on headphones imo. My ZMF Eikon are good enough for me.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez I only paid $1400 for mine but they were used lol. Regular price they were about $2200 but have come down like $500 since then. They're certainly not cheap in Australia but hey they were my dream headphones so I didn't mind.
Wow finally a review on the Bravura, and with DMS no less! it's my lucky day~
As always, great video ❤️
Why are they asking for $800 more for wanting them in black? Seems excessive.
I asked them about it, here is the answer I got:
Regarding the extra cost the Black Edition BRAVURA headphone has a far more expensive and luxurious soft-touch finish, and the Black Amplifier has hand-engraved markings (rather than screen printed as on the Silver Amp) on the front and rear panels and there is a special BLACK EDITION badge on the lid of the Black Amplifier. Also the headphone cable has black LEMO connectors which are a premium price over the standard silver ones.
@@udirub It sounds dumb to have a special edition and only advertise it as the color it has but oh well, what do I know?
@@LucaTheStar nah
@@haberdasherrykr8886 okay you win
At this price point I'm not surprised lol
In the luxury car world it can cost the customer thousands of dollars just for a carbon fibre hood. But at that price point you're not looking to save money, and so the dealership can charge more.
Man, DMS has the best quality reviews... both visually and content-wise. Well done!
😄🙌 thanks! Got some new lenses so I’m trying to make future ones even better
Never seen DMS so happy ----_____----
"its not a headphone, its a system". Very well put.
Bloody great review
Two questions:
1) Have you measured the distortion, especially at 100+db? The old Sonoma Model 1 ran out of headroom really fast and distortion past 95db or so became a problem.
2) How much of this sound is due to DSP correction and how much of it is the natural FR of the headphones?
The second is important, because you can get top-tier sound by taking a decent enough electrostatic headphone and EQing it to sound neutral. As long as the headphone isn't too ringy or resonant, and as long as the distortion is under control and your amp is powerful enough, you can make it sound really natural and all-around excellent with EQ. I'm using a L700 mk1 in my system - slightly modded - and surprise surprise, when you EQ it to sound like an HD600, it kinda does, except with much higher technicalities.
Anyway, nice to see the penny drop for DMS with regards to electrostatic headphones. There are just so many really crappy ones on the market right now and people have the wrong idea over what they're supposed to sound like. They really can sound very natural, lively, exciting, with great bass, while keeping the speed and detail they're known for. Emphasis, however, on CAN. Stax lately has been shoveling out badly tuned crap and it's getting praise because bruh the detail. It doesn't matter how airy or detailed your stuff is, it also has to sound right.
1) Why the actual fuck would you listen at 95+ dB
@@dannybos7024 You don't. But you have some music where the dynamic peaks are that high while the rest of it isn't. And you want to be able to reproduce them.
Also, if you equalize, you need your headphones to be able to play above normal listening level cause you'll be lowering the overall output to avoid clipping.
My brother in Christ why would you EQ to an HD600. Just say neutral
The L700 is built like crap though. The price difference is in the build and the fact that the headphone is near perfectly tuned out of the box. EQ is too cumbersome for most people.
@@randomdudeman4782 Ancient reply, but I promise you that no one competent is leaving in 25 dB peaks in their music, that's something you remove during the mastering process. It doesn't exist. I say this as a recording engineer, we remove peaks like that in a heartbeat. Keeping the entire rest of the track at -25 dB just to blow your ears out occasionally is not good mastering.
The second part is fair, but you should not be boosting more than 6-8 dB anywhere if you don't want unwanted distortion.
90 dB is the absolute max you'd EVER need any system to go, and it is purely for EQ reasons. If you're not EQing, 85 dB is plenty.
Well I can’t wait to hear what you say about the Aperio. ☺️
Great review!
You mention the mid range and treble tuning "might not be as exciting", could you elaborate?
Also, how would you compare them to the Diana V2?
I would like a playlist of these amazing creamy background songs used in these videos
Great Review! Editing mistake on the Sound (Subjective) intro.
Man just sounded anemic at Socal CanJam with the caveat that I was on the main floor with quite a bit of crowd noise. Just not fortunate enough to listen to it in a quiet enviornment.
What about dynamics? Why did you not talk about the one thing electrostatics fall short on? I'm sure its better than planars around the $1500, but is it as dynamic as the lcd 5 or susvara?
This is a good question now that you mention it. I’d be surprised if these things could beat the dynamics on a Focal Clear, to be honest.
@@sephondranzer dynamic headphones will always have the advantage in dynamics, and focal headphones and fostex headphones are the best it gets. But they have a array of other problems. Estates are more comparable to planars in their advantages, but are less consistent due to poor dynamics. The bravura would need to be a MASSIVE improvement to be comparable to the other TOTL planars.
I would put it above both personally, just a stunning headphone all around.
@@DMS3TV you sure about that? Golden sound was very clear it was not as dynamic as the susvara. Remember i am ONLY talking about dynamics. I just want to know that is exactly what you a referring to and nothing else.
@@DMS3TV And what about "punch" for music like hip hop where you don't just want the presence of the lowest frequencies but also to be hit by the groove so that you start nodding your head and tapping your feet without even knowing it? 😃
What is the price of this headphone? Where is it made? Thx
I'm CTO of xMEMS. Just wondering would you be interested in reviewing a "complete IEM system" based on xMEMS driver?
As you know, we can EQ our response to any target curve you fancy, although I'm not sure whether forcing an IEM to have the same frequency response measurements of an over-the-ear headphones is the right thing to do?
Send us an e-mail at info@headphones.com and we'll set you up with the right people to talk to about a video.
This may be the next Big Thing in headfi audio tech. This review needs to happen yesterday.
When can we hope to see these IEMs actually available for people to buy?
But are these better than my KSC75?
Is it still the price of headphones + amp + DAC in other places?
Here in PL it's just ~350$ more than a lone Susvara.
what was the outro song?
I looked them up and that higher model (Aperio) is priced here near-on HE-1 territory. Just out of curiosity, I wonder how they compare.
How would I go about eq'ing these headphones especially if I want bit perfect playback?
Thanks DMS! Great review as always but nothing in the SQ to nuke me want to ditch the Susvara. When do you expect to review the 8K version?
fyi, its not war-Wick. its war-(w)Ick, the 2nd w is silent
Can the ear pads be chaged?
Good show as usual but man, give us the PRICE! Or is it that insane to mention? Guess I'll go look it up now.
6k
stratospheric levels of the green
The question is can they beat xr9000 , Susvara, 009s , expanse, 1266 phi tc
I prefer them over any stax, and expanse isn’t in this league. 1266 is more “exciting” in tuning, Bravura is a lot more neutral and lighter weight.
Edit: susvara is great, but my preferences lean much farther to bravura and I feel it has stronger technical capabilities.
@@DMS3TV How easy would it be to replace the pads on this thing? Do they sell pads for the Bravura
Bravura is better than all of those I'd say but it doesn't have the macro dynamics/slam/impact (just like all electrostats) that the 1266 TC has. If you don't care about that and listen to softer music genres, the Bravura is the best. If you need strong bass and slam and listen to metal/EDM/Rap etc. 1266 TC.
@@TheSPazCORE I had the bravura for 30 days and unfortunately I had to return it .
It was like you said the best headphone indeed but it has a MAJOR issue. It does clip/distort at over 12 o clock on the volume dial which is an absolute deal breaker. Just like on the Sonoma M1 you can't listen louder . They improved it but it is still a prototype unit. The Aperio doesn't have this issue because of its specific dual driver but it's forever hidden behind a pay wall
Mate I've not even heard either and it's obvious to me from hearsay that these will shit all over the Susvara. And last 10x as long too.
7:06 I think you mean it deviates from the Harman target.
I do believe the dragon has been caught.
What lens was used to shoot the objective sound segment? Getting Helios 44-esque vibes from the bokeh haha
Curious, ... How would the Dan Clark Audio Expanse stack up? I have a Burson Soloist GM that I use as a pre amp for a pair of AHB2s, and a nearfield setup with a Questyle CMA Fifteen dac amp so was looking to Expanse as my end game. This throws a wrinkle 🙂... The Expanse could be used on both the Burson and Questyle, or even with my iFi Diablo so a big advantage (and less $). But my goal is really endgame headphone so priority is how it will play. Any feedback would help and ideally if you can do a review of the Expanse and compare to the Bravura system, using the Expanse w the Burson Soloist GT 🙂, that'd be very interesting! Thanks!
Good question 🤔
having heard both the expanse and bravura at canjam. bravura wins, no contest. expanse are fine, but there's no 'magic' to them. the aperio are even better, but no 4-5x the price better.
"I feel like this would spoil me and I wouldn't be able to review things"
GETS HE-1 INSTEAD
“On this episode of Fantastic Headphones and where to get them…”
Can you compare it to Focal headphone?😀
end game and game over!
All I want to know is if it's better than all of the abyss headphones.
Those measure like crap, so if you are after a relatively normal sound these should be way better
@@bluemonstrosity259 Need to hear it from DMS.
@@johenkay1129 since he works at Abyss, don't expect an answer from him
@@johenkay1129 I think we just did.
I own the 1266 TC and tried the Bravura. If you don't care too much about bass, the Bravura is easily better. You miss the impact/slam and booming sub-bass from the Abyss, but everything else is as good or better on the Bravura.
Not a fan of being forced into buying their energizer/dac combo but sounds promising.
The DAC is necessary because it has DSP correction. I assume they won't sound nearly as good without DSP.
They also use a 1350V bias, compared to 580V of a pro bias STAX and almost everyone else uses.
@@AliArghavan It wouldn't be necessary if they just didn't put it
@@NFStopsnuf DSP is the whirl point of Bravura system. Why would you pay thousands if it doesn't sound good?
@@AliArghavan I imagine that's why they made it this way with DSP correction. So they can force customers to use a proprietary box to make them sound at all decent.
I was going to buy this setup but I've decided to use the money on a carbon ceramic brake upgrade on my new Ferrari instead 🤣
$11k in Australia and the Aperio is an eye watering $50k!
Aperio is 23k$ on adorama
@@x32i77 OK - I was talking Australian dollars but if that price in USD is correct then it brings the price down to $40k Australian with duty and shipping. I had a look on Adorama but couldn't find any Warwick Acoustics gear? Maybe I'm geo-blocked on that brand.
@@markg3789 give me a moment....
@@markg3789 it appears the listing has been taken down, someone needs to check it via HTML inspector to confirm (can't access it here in india and through other vpns too so not only an australia thing)
audio 46 works well
@@markg3789 yeah it's sold out unfortunately
Ah yes. A 1K bump and 2K recess with a large hump around 4k. Planar/e-stat classic features. Funny how those specific traits are a constant that very few get away from with planar/e-stats.
How do they handle a +10dB bass shelf?
How do you handle a +10dB bass shelf?
@@phetmoz If you know you know.
I'd call 2kHz mid-range not treble.
dms ThanksMuch !
yes, I mostly care about how it sounds but am also tired of "wanting" to buy an aftermarket cable...
how should a$7000 headphone system sound ???
The opening line was not accurate. I went to CanJam SoCal ;)
The Bravura can be bought stand alone too though. Can it be used somehow without the rest of the system?
Seems that the answer is no. But the previous headphone (Sonoma) used the same dac/amp as far as I understand. So the upside is the next model may as well, and you can have both headphones or all three with the dac/amp system assuming you want to buy into this ecosystem, so to speak.
Heya 🙂
When you are reviewing the ~$25.000 Warwick Aperio, could you please have a look at what digital inputs the DAC supports? It does come with a network port. Does it have Spotify / Tidal connect? Gapless Tidal playback? Does it have full Rune integration?
It's just that I'd like to not use USB when possible, and spending that kind of cash, I expect not having a Bluesound node (or some such) required.
do you wear a toupee?
vs HEDDphone One
Its always fun to guess the price from hearing reviewers compare cans to other headphones. I was thinking $5,000 compared to susvara with more detail and was pleasantly surprised
Add the price of the energizer (which is pretty much required) and you’ll be surprised again but in a different way.
@@mensrea1251 6k doesn't include the energizer without which these would just be ear mufflers? :o
6k does include the energizer
This is the part of the hobby that I do not enjoy, these are 7k with the amp Jesus my last car was 6k and I have had it 7 years now. Im sure they sound so great and anything thats this price damn well better. Got the Meze 109s and now the new Focal BT headphones on my list and thats 1500.
How do you like the Mezes? Have you tried the empys/elites?
@@h.hristov 109 pro is very nice, just auditioned against clear mg, lcd x, and 800s. I found them to be more dynamic than clears.
@@rherbm oh man, thanks for the reply. I took a blind shot and went for the elites. Here’s more info if you’re curious.. TL;DR They sound ok and are comfy.
My left ear touches the back grill with the hybrid pads because they’re thinner, that’s why I prefer the Alcantara. As for sound, there was a slightly sibilant area around 12-15khz or so (hi-hats on my chain - meze silver cable paired with earmen angel) but i think my brain adjusted or something else happened and I don’t notice it/ doesn’t bother me as much anymore. The mids are not as forward as the HD600 but they sound very similar. Matter of fact the HD600 sounds 85% the same so it was a bit difficult for me to justify keeping them. The reason why I keep them is because they’re way more comfortable and I wear em for hours on end. Hopefully this gives you another perspective on these cans if you ever plan on up/sidegrading and are passionate about throwing crazy amounts of money on audio gear
1000V? The first death from these will be an audiophile event worldwide.
A kilovolt is still fairly easy to keep well insulated.
It's actually fine. I've worked on Estat headphones (built my own). Voltage isn't dangerous, amperage is. These are actually pretty low amperage and receiving a discharge from the driver might be a little unpleasant, but not dangerous. The only dangerous current potential is if you start messing around inside the amplifier circuitry while it's hot.
"It's not the volts that kills you, it's the amps.....
@@MOARRRRRRr Oh yeah, some static shocks you get from a wool carpet are like 20000V if I remember correctly.
@@hartyewh1 Tasers emit 50kV, now that could actually kill you.
dumbest thing im seeing is the price. the silver version is 2000, while the black is 400 more?
What noone of this payed reviewers is telling you. The Bravura has no punch and slam in the bass and it dissorts at louder volumes very fast. Among that, it sounds like he described it.
Im a owner and I never had disturbing experience when listening to trash and heavy metal as opera or classic. maybe for club music that I don’t listening too
Sorry guys, love your content but this is a fluff piece a la Headfi not a review. We get that it’s a system with DSP built in. Where’s the comparison to the SR007 or SR009 with EQ? Can this beat the Stax flagships or the Audeze CRBN if EQ is allowed? That’s the real question not a passing comparison to Meze which is totally irrelevant
Not gonna apologize for loving a headphone.
I mentioned the stax. I don’t find the 007 or 009 remotely comparable. CRBN maybe with considerable EQ, but you can’t really change the comfort.
Everything was going great until I heard "proprietary amp".... My wallet just upped and ran 💸💸💸
3k for the amp? oO
I am pretty sure the people at Stax are like "they didn't!"
I want to be a millionaire... I guess I will try my luck today. Lotto here I come. Will keep u posted 😄
How did it go?
@@MrEddie284 not a millionaire yet... 😞
@@pajda102How about now 1yr later?
Not a millionaire yet. 😂
@@pajda102 Dang it .. ok keep us posted. I gotta be sure to get my tip for reminding you lol
Hm. I would NOT expect super deep sub bass from an estat, with any level of seal, sorry to say.
This has dsp. The graph literally shows that it does. Its not up for debate.
It has very good bass quantity and quality, just no real slam/impact
holy..their dacamp price is tooo expensive... headphone price itself is okay but.. man.. it's way to far...
No its not. The headphone system competes with those that just the headphone is 4 to 6k. Just because its expensive doesn't mean its not justified.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez and likely a better value, from what I gather the susvara and others in this price range still need another 2-4k worth of dacs/amps to even sound right, so it is actually a better deal.
Am I reading this wrong or is it a shit show under 60 Hz? Bass boosted at 70 Hz? It’s barely above target there. Just a sliver. I must not be understanding something about the interpretation here because other than the fact that there’s no obvious low frequency roll off, this thing is seriously anemic in the sub bass region.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. Additionally, the measurements would seem to contradict DMS’ subjective impressions of the bass and sub-bass. Perhaps, as he noted, the seal of the headphones is paramount to this sub bass extension and slam (otherwise this shifts the peak into slightly higher frequencies) and during the test the seal wasn’t 100% optimized?
But I’m always inclined to believe my ears and use measurements as a secondary, or even tertiary value.
@@stevenkoos I have the Bravura here, these headphones absolutely seal the front volume between your ear and the driver, therefore the "flat" response down to 20hz, (same principle applies for the glued Audeze pads and their bass extension). I guess the hump centered around 75 is due to DSP, but not sure. Anyways, even when trying to EQ the Subbass below 60Hz up about 5dB, there is a notable drop off in sub bass volume below 35Hz, so no, you wont get the deepest sub-bass. On the other hand, the midbass sounds phenomaly fast and clean, no bloat due to no excess boast above 100Hz. And trust me, the impact is actually great. And i am not speaking about electrostats, but in general.
Heard these at CanJam in the Warwick sound isolating booth. They sounded meh.
Lol.. How much do they cost again?? I never heard him mention price?
$XX,XXX ???
I think that elusive "perfection" should be what exuberant amounts of cash should be buying ?
$5000 Utopia does it all..as it should.
I really do enjoy what an electrostatic headphone can do!
Liking Stax L-700mk2 very much! That's about $2k for that system?
An $800 pair of Bathys is really looking like happiness ever after for me. More for way way less communicates a targeted goal I choose to live with. Diminishing returns is a very real & expensive pursuit.
I'd be very interested to see which Focal moves more units? I'm betting their "Clear" originals peak production & demands? They're just too bass shy for my preference.
@@jamiesmith6838 one caveat to my comment, I couldn't listen to my own music and there was another listener in the booth with me. The booth was quiet enough not to hear the show floor but the other guy's music may have been even more distracting. They could have been incredible but I didn't get a chance to listen in a quiet environment.
6k TV's don't exist but 8k ones do lol
Anyone want to trade for an LCD-R + cash? XD
Yup… this is the Apple of headphones
Don’t like the aesthetics
$2000.I'll see myself out and skip this video
Its $6000 my dude.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Yes, expensive
@@En_Joshi-Godrez So like double that in my country. Not that I could afford them anyway but still that's a huge amount of money to spend on headphones imo. My ZMF Eikon are good enough for me.
@@WyattOShea isn't zmf pricing horrendous outside the us?
@@En_Joshi-Godrez I only paid $1400 for mine but they were used lol. Regular price they were about $2200 but have come down like $500 since then. They're certainly not cheap in Australia but hey they were my dream headphones so I didn't mind.
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You mentioned your 2 channel system. What speakers do you use?