@@SocialAssasin "you're the one who had their ballot casted 81 million times?" Trump lost fair and square, wish you guys would accept it. Especially given that so many of you apparently think it is appropriate to resort to domestic terrorism.
LOVED this. 'I refuse to take you down with me, even if it could save me' is a mark of a truly great mentor/parent/leader. And the levity at the end- the perfect mix of somber and light-hearted.
Love how Bartlet tells Charlie not to lie for him. Knowing he will be a great politician and maybe president. He protects Charlie knowing this could hurt his future if he lies for him, knowing Charlie would do it for him in a heartbeat.
Aside from this being one of a bunch incredible scenes I love from this show, it clearly shows what Dulé Hill meant when he said working alongside Martin Sheen and John Spencer was like going to acting college.
I've always read it slightly different - more like an implicit offer of adoption. Jeb is saying we are all about to go into the wringer, and I will always be there for you as long as you never ever compromise yourself for me. Charlie, as usual in his own way is a little further ahead, asserting himself in the triangulation about Zoe in a very older sibling kind of way. (Sorry to ramble; I was churning these thoughts & happened on your comment.)
Agreed completely. Charlie was always the son that Jed never had. That's why he gave Charlie the carving knife, why deep down he approved of him and Zoe, and why he spoke to him the way he did. And I think, for his part, Jed was the father that Charlie needed
I imagine Charlie married to Zoey Bartlett... they have a couple of kids and are at Zoey's parent's house Christmas morning. And Charlie still calls him Mister President.
All presidents, past or current are still referred to as Mr. President when you're addressing them and I definitely think it's in character for Charlie to still call him that.
@@alisonoconnor6864 I think the point was that if Charlie was married to Zoey, then Jed would be "Dad." Add to that the father/son style relationship they developed, it wouldn't be unheard of for Charlie to call him "Dad." But Charlie has too much respect for him to ever refer to him as anyway other than "Mr. President."
@@alisonoconnor6864 I hope "sir" would work too, because if I met a president I dunno if my brain could handle it. Oh wait, I came across Trump about 23 years ago.
This scene always brings to mind with me a small touch in the scene when after Mrs. Landingham’s funeral Jed has his moment talking to her “ghost” in the Oval Office and has made his decision on whether or not to run for a second term. He stands on the balcony in the face of a raging storm. Charlie comes out to tell him it’s time to go to the press conference. He wears a raincoat with a hood and holdout one for the president who shrugs it away as the song Brothers in Arms begins. As they walk thru the West Wing collecting the Senior Staff behind, you can see Charlie take his coat off and leave it behind with the President’s. He too faces the storm unafraid like a young Knight following his King into battle. It is testament to the acting skills of Dule Hill and Martin Sheen that this minor silent exchange affects me even while typing this.
It's ironic that when this series aired, the political situation was not great but having people of this kind of integrity in the White House was within imagination. I watch them now and literally laugh out loud at the thought that those people might exist. And it didn't take long to come apart.
This episode aired in May 2001 and the entire series aired from 99-06. During this time Bill Clinton lied repeatedly about affairs with female staffers and was impeached for it. George Bush won an election thanks to underhanded tactics. And our government, including President Bush, perpetrated the greatest act of gaslighting and lying in the history of the world to justify invading Iraq. If you thought a man of integrity in the White House was within imagination at that time, that just means you weren't paying attention.
my fave relationship in the whole show I think- 2 men from such different worlds and sucha bond. Love the faith he has in Charlie's smarts that he would be able to help.
The incredible relationship between these two and so many moments like this between them, are one of many reasons why TWW is easily the best scripted television show I'll ever see.
This is such a beautiful scene. This whole show was absolutely superb. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of scenes where I think “this is my favorite scene ever, in any tv show or movie”. And this has to be in the top 30 or so. Integrity. Love. Loyalty. Respect. Oh, and the writing … pure perfection.
@@cwhoff290 I don't think I can stomach any more "conservatives" talking about integrity. I'm absolutely done. Tell me, was it Nixon cheating an election, Reagan selling arms for hostages, Bush 1 pardoning those conspirators, Bush 2 lying about nuclear weapons, or Trumps treason that sold you on the conservative position. Obama was as a matter of ideas more conservative than any of them, and more honest than any republican since Grant. You and your kind would attack any Liberal as lacking integrity and you forgive your own the most vile of crimes.
This and Charlie's scene with Leo...the pure look of devastation on Leo's face and concern on Jed's says everything. It kills them that Charlie would get dragged into this even though it was inevitable.
when he spoke to Leo earlier in the episode, the "family" dynamic was front & center, difficult to miss. this scene is DEFINITELY father-son conversation
The irony of this scene is so thick you can cut it with a knife. The display of humanity and integrity by Bartlet in telling Charlie not to lie is the very reason why Charlie loves him so much and would willingly lie to save him.
The irony is that Bartlett is a politician who literally LIES for a living, as they all do. There are no noble pols, this is hollywood fiction, where pols are supposedly WISER than GOD. And you probably believed their lies, how ironic.
For me, its how Charlie stands up for Zoey, and directly tells the President that he's wrong. Jed Bartlet doesnt like being wrong, and isnt always good at that whole...humility and vulnerability, and, well, self reflection and honesty. Hes a person with a temper. And yet, hes able, in monents like this, to be schooled, corrected, and shown a mirror. And he doesnt hold a grudge about it, even though he is someone who holds grudges. Thats what stucks out to me.
1:09 - The difference between deserving to be President and not is whether or not you're willing to say this to the people who have the evidence that inculpates you of charges you think are unjust. If you would rather face unjust charges than resort to deceit or have your people resort to deceit, then you're Presidential material. If not, you're not.
Jed refers to Josh as his son as well. The way he treats Sam is also very paternal. Jed Bartlett had at least a few adopted sons, although only Charlie would have a chance to make the title official.
Charlie was filling out his own college paperwork when he realized the problem: that part of Zoey and Eliie's enrollment would have involved a complete family medical history...which Abby left blank.
Considering one of their flunkies threatened a child? His granddaughter? I'd be forcing myself to not have their asses dragged out by the Secret Service.
This scene and the one where Bartlett passes down the Paul Revere carving knife bookend their relationship for me. Charlie would run through brick walls for the Jed and Jed knows it, which is why he has to say, out loud, that Charlie should not do just that.
When shots are fired at the WH and POTUS realizes Charlie's outside the sealed Oval Office. The SS folks say "He'll be safe" and Bartlet starts to say "Your men won't be" just as Charlie nearly breaks down the door, having got past the SS team...
i think thats because they started a lot of RMS awareness programs to educate the public about his condition plus he was honest about it must have swayed the public opinion
I think you have to go back a couple of hundred years (at least) to find that kind of integrity in elected office. There certainly hasn't been much in MY lifetime.
@@prospero4183 no kidding, TV president is easier than the real thing, imagine that. Most of the public remarks of the president ARE written for him, and if you hand him a speech he does a good job with it. As an actor he can PRETEND to be good, which is more than the current guy.
They should re-do West Wing with Charlie having graduated from law school, having run for and won Senator and then running for (and winning the Presidency), with flash backs.
“If you lie because you can’t stand what’s happening to me and the people making it happen...” See, I would definitely lie for that reason knowing how Republicans would react. 😁
To all the cynical folks here saying in a variety of ways that honesty hasn’t ever existed in the Whitehouse, let me just remind you all that in a democratic-republic such as ours, we get the government we deserve; we get the government that most accurately reflects us. Contrary to the opinions expressed here, there are in fact, some very good and decent people who serve in public office. Perhaps when they tell you uncomfortable truths that you NEED to hear, you shouldn’t drive them out of office in favor of those people who tell you what you WANT to hear.
I wishMr Sorkin would reconsider his vow not to write for TV again. I think that a series set in the present centered around Charlie as a successful lawyer working in a political job could be a very interesting and entertaining series with a lot to say about today’s political environment.
Bartlett: "If you lie to protect me - if you lie just once ... you're finished with me, you understand?" In the Trump White House remake of WW: DJT: "If you tell the truth, if you say even ONE words against me, you and I are through, do you understand?"
Right...as I am sure you are close with the POTUS and you have worked with him for years to know this....? Or is this just an assumption...that oh look....6 months later and it has been proven, AGAIN, there was no lying or shenanigans....I love to read these old posts made by folks...... PFM.....
and still opposite instructions being given by Trump right now... and even those who have covered him.. there is no loyalty in return.. IT's all about him..
this is a wonderful TV series loaded with great moments, great actors and writing.... how sad it must be to consistently equate real life to an old TV series...I hope you find peace saltydog as the Nation grows...
gyleake: Please save your platitudes of false sympathies for a better ear.. The thing is that we oft forget TV does mirror real life... good, bad and ugly... and we have plenty of ugly right now in our nation.. real and mirrored facing right at us... And the fact that this series mirrored great presidents.. with dents in their armor.. character flaws.. but who truly embodied sympathy and more importantly were able to express empathy with everyday people, is lost on most people today. Ever heard Martin Sheen's take on the WW president? He feels it is a mesh of Kennedy, Carter and Clinton... People who actually tried to do good things for people.. not corporations... And they did not go unscathed for their actions... Remember... our present President is the one caught up with reality-non reality TV... And no, I don't find peace in this nation today for we are being led into oblivion.. The country my father, grandfather and others before him fought for... This is not it...
It is a TV show and has absolutely nothing to do with current POTUS. I was being sarcastic vs "false platitudes"... It is funny to me how many of you folks clamor and bitch about the POTUS about things you perceive, yet not a single person who works with the POTUS ever say anything to substantiate these accusations....racism, selfish, etc etc. I would never invite Mr Trump to a B-B-Q but I want him to succeed as POTUS. Wanting the POTUS to fail is like wanting your pilot to fail.....I want to see America great again....if you don't then take your salty ass elsewhere.
You know, while I acknowledge the great writing, I always felt like Charlie didn't deserve this. "If you lie, you're finished with me". I mean, Charlie had never lied. Why couldn't the President have conveyed the information in a more caring fashion, telling him it was critical that he never lie, no matter what happened.
This is how a father speaks to a son, a uncle to a nephew or best friend to his best friend. Love, admiration and mutual respect is understood and need not be spoken of. This was a great example of straight talk no chaser. It’s what men do when speaking to other men we love about serious matters.
"If you lie for me, youre finished with me, you understood?" "Sir, I'm afraid you've greatly overestimated my feelings for you. With you gone it will be so much easier to date your daughter"
The president is slowly revealing to his staff that he has MS, and has to talk to lawyers to determine how he should reveal it publicly. Charlie pieces together some information and figures it out first.
West Wing never was a plausible portrayal of politicians, as altruism doesn’t exist in the political world. What made it believable at the time was most of the public still had the wool over their eyes and were in the dream where the government worked for them. The reality has always been power for power’s sake and the public is just there to fund it. But society did it to themselves by allowing politics to be a viable career path instead of a necessary evil.
"I'm confident in your loyalty to me, I'm confident in your love for me..." ❤ The feels. Such a wonderful scene.
Rivaled only by the carving knife scene.
"... if you ever, ever lie, you're finished with me". what a powerful scene.
Tell that to the current POTUS :(
Past, present or future one. Do u really see biden as being fit to be in the same room as this man, or any of the candidates
@@prospero4183 I do, yes. But more importantly, I do NOT see Trump as being fit. Nor does the majority of We the People. That's why he lost.
@@neutrino78x you're the one who had their ballot casted 81 million times?
@@SocialAssasin
"you're the one who had their ballot casted 81 million times?"
Trump lost fair and square, wish you guys would accept it. Especially given that so many of you apparently think it is appropriate to resort to domestic terrorism.
LOVED this. 'I refuse to take you down with me, even if it could save me' is a mark of a truly great mentor/parent/leader. And the levity at the end- the perfect mix of somber and light-hearted.
Love how Bartlet tells Charlie not to lie for him. Knowing he will be a great politician and maybe president. He protects Charlie knowing this could hurt his future if he lies for him, knowing Charlie would do it for him in a heartbeat.
Nailed it, Michael.
Aside from this being one of a bunch incredible scenes I love from this show, it clearly shows what Dulé Hill meant when he said working alongside Martin Sheen and John Spencer was like going to acting college.
That is a father talking to a son
I've always read it slightly different - more like an implicit offer of adoption. Jeb is saying we are all about to go into the wringer, and I will always be there for you as long as you never ever compromise yourself for me.
Charlie, as usual in his own way is a little further ahead, asserting himself in the triangulation about Zoe in a very older sibling kind of way.
(Sorry to ramble; I was churning these thoughts & happened on your comment.)
Any father doesn't want their youngest daughter to date ever. But Charlie gets a pass.
What a great scene, about loyalty doesn't outrank honesty.
Agreed completely. Charlie was always the son that Jed never had. That's why he gave Charlie the carving knife, why deep down he approved of him and Zoe, and why he spoke to him the way he did. And I think, for his part, Jed was the father that Charlie needed
THEN HE APPROVES OF INCEST!!!
Well, he did go to law school and ended up working for Zane Specter Litt
Don’t forget his time with Bratton Gould, even if it was probably pretty hellish
Nic reference!!
I imagine Charlie married to Zoey Bartlett... they have a couple of kids and are at Zoey's parent's house Christmas morning. And Charlie still calls him Mister President.
All presidents, past or current are still referred to as Mr. President when you're addressing them and I definitely think it's in character for Charlie to still call him that.
@@alisonoconnor6864 I think the point was that if Charlie was married to Zoey, then Jed would be "Dad." Add to that the father/son style relationship they developed, it wouldn't be unheard of for Charlie to call him "Dad." But Charlie has too much respect for him to ever refer to him as anyway other than "Mr. President."
Followed by Charlie giving his son the knife made by Paul Revere.
@@khobarkastenglish5029 keeping it in the family!
@@alisonoconnor6864 I hope "sir" would work too, because if I met a president I dunno if my brain could handle it. Oh wait, I came across Trump about 23 years ago.
The very idea of a President telling one of his staff NOT to lie...
That definitely wouldn't take place in the current administration.
Can you even imagine bone spurs doing this
It's never happened. From any president
@@joemckim1183 Or any administration. It's not like lying was just invented.
Joe McKim such a profound statement. 😂. Current or ANY previous administration. Stop being so self-righteous. Jesus
Great, great scene. Shows the deep affection those two men feel for each other.
The best writing in the history of television dialogue.
This scene always brings to mind with me a small touch in the scene when after Mrs. Landingham’s funeral Jed has his moment talking to her “ghost” in the Oval Office and has made his decision on whether or not to run for a second term. He stands on the balcony in the face of a raging storm. Charlie comes out to tell him it’s time to go to the press conference. He wears a raincoat with a hood and holdout one for the president who shrugs it away as the song Brothers in Arms begins. As they walk thru the West Wing collecting the Senior Staff behind, you can see Charlie take his coat off and leave it behind with the President’s. He too faces the storm unafraid like a young Knight following his King into battle.
It is testament to the acting skills of Dule Hill and Martin Sheen that this minor silent exchange affects me even while typing this.
That's actually my favourite moment from the entire show.
@@Asurya1978 After reading this comment, I just realised it's time to rewatch West Wing all over again :)
But, I mean, also Dire Straits!
😆👍❤
Jed and Charlie have so many moments would a couple of hugs be too much to ask for
It's ironic that when this series aired, the political situation was not great but having people of this kind of integrity in the White House was within imagination. I watch them now and literally laugh out loud at the thought that those people might exist. And it didn't take long to come apart.
This episode aired in May 2001 and the entire series aired from 99-06. During this time Bill Clinton lied repeatedly about affairs with female staffers and was impeached for it. George Bush won an election thanks to underhanded tactics. And our government, including President Bush, perpetrated the greatest act of gaslighting and lying in the history of the world to justify invading Iraq. If you thought a man of integrity in the White House was within imagination at that time, that just means you weren't paying attention.
my fave relationship in the whole show I think- 2 men from such different worlds and sucha bond. Love the faith he has in Charlie's smarts that he would be able to help.
This is one of my favorite scene, their love for one another is so pure.
It's so strange that this scene where a president ask one of his people not to lie is in my rexommended
The incredible relationship between these two and so many moments like this between them, are one of many reasons why TWW is easily the best scripted television show I'll ever see.
Ever interaction shows level of love that makes u weep. Telling him not to lie makes it harder not to try and protect him
This is such a beautiful scene.
This whole show was absolutely superb.
There are literally hundreds and hundreds of scenes where I think “this is my favorite scene ever, in any tv show or movie”.
And this has to be in the top 30 or so.
Integrity.
Love.
Loyalty.
Respect.
Oh, and the writing … pure perfection.
Father and son is amazing in the love and respect that they have and show for each other.
I'm devout Conservative & I would follow a President like Jed Bartlett into the fire of hell because his integrity calls for that measure of devotion.
Allow me to introduce you to someone named Barrack Hussein Obama.
@@benderrodriguez6343 that's laughable
@@cwhoff290 no, you're full of it.
@@benderrodriguez6343 President Obama lacks integrity.
@@cwhoff290 I don't think I can stomach any more "conservatives" talking about integrity. I'm absolutely done. Tell me, was it Nixon cheating an election, Reagan selling arms for hostages, Bush 1 pardoning those conspirators, Bush 2 lying about nuclear weapons, or Trumps treason that sold you on the conservative position. Obama was as a matter of ideas more conservative than any of them, and more honest than any republican since Grant. You and your kind would attack any Liberal as lacking integrity and you forgive your own the most vile of crimes.
One of my favorite Jed-Charlie scenes. Thanks for posting it!
This and Charlie's scene with Leo...the pure look of devastation on Leo's face and concern on Jed's says everything. It kills them that Charlie would get dragged into this even though it was inevitable.
Just when I think I have it all safely buried and don't care anymore, I see this stuff and have to start digging all over again. God
love it!
when he spoke to Leo earlier in the episode, the "family" dynamic was front & center, difficult to miss. this scene is DEFINITELY father-son conversation
The west wing should be required viewing for all political science majors
So much Love in so few words. Amazing.
My number one favorite television series of all time.
This is top 4 Most Choke-Upable Scenes of West Wing.
I feel their relationship went from President/body man to father/son pretty quick. I enjoyed watching it unfold.
The knife really showed that
In the top five of my favourite moments of this show
The irony of this scene is so thick you can cut it with a knife. The display of humanity and integrity by Bartlet in telling Charlie not to lie is the very reason why Charlie loves him so much and would willingly lie to save him.
The irony is that Bartlett is a politician who literally LIES for a living, as they all do. There are no noble pols, this is hollywood fiction, where pols are supposedly WISER than GOD. And you probably believed their lies, how ironic.
Charlie was the son Jed never had
I miss this show as well..
The love between The President and Charlie is the best thing about the show.
For me, its how Charlie stands up for Zoey, and directly tells the President that he's wrong. Jed Bartlet doesnt like being wrong, and isnt always good at that whole...humility and vulnerability, and, well, self reflection and honesty. Hes a person with a temper. And yet, hes able, in monents like this, to be schooled, corrected, and shown a mirror. And he doesnt hold a grudge about it, even though he is someone who holds grudges. Thats what stucks out to me.
Short as it is, that might be my favorite scene of the series.
1:09 - The difference between deserving to be President and not is whether or not you're willing to say this to the people who have the evidence that inculpates you of charges you think are unjust. If you would rather face unjust charges than resort to deceit or have your people resort to deceit, then you're Presidential material. If not, you're not.
Their entire story arc was incredible. Bartlett didn't have a son...until he had one in Charlie. It was beautiful writing and acting.
Jed refers to Josh as his son as well. The way he treats Sam is also very paternal. Jed Bartlett had at least a few adopted sons, although only Charlie would have a chance to make the title official.
I LOVE the fatherly relationship Pres. Bartlet has with Charlie!
OMG, I love this scene...
We need a president like Bartlett !!!
I'm pretty sure this is from when it came out that the President had MS, and hadn't disclosed it to the American people before or during the election.
yep. the public disclosure comes within 1-2 episodes of this one. I think this is the one where Charlie lets Leo/President know that he knows...
Charlie was filling out his own college paperwork when he realized the problem: that part of Zoey and Eliie's enrollment would have involved a complete family medical history...which Abby left blank.
Send lawyers, guns and money...
I'd love to have seen how things turned out going forward. Such great character development.
I loved this west wing theme,, after watching scenes where President shows the door to those clergis who came to complain on pornography trade.
Considering one of their flunkies threatened a child? His granddaughter? I'd be forcing myself to not have their asses dragged out by the Secret Service.
This scene is what real loyalty looks like.
Puts a tear to your Eye don't it.
great scene between those two
Bartlett knows what's coming and he's trying to protect Charlie from himself.
This scene and the one where Bartlett passes down the Paul Revere carving knife bookend their relationship for me.
Charlie would run through brick walls for the Jed and Jed knows it, which is why he has to say, out loud, that Charlie should not do just that.
When shots are fired at the WH and POTUS realizes Charlie's outside the sealed Oval Office. The SS folks say "He'll be safe" and Bartlet starts to say "Your men won't be" just as Charlie nearly breaks down the door, having got past the SS team...
great advice
That is guidance/mentoring/leadership!
Season 2 was perfection.
All these years later. Still makes me cry. If only we had decent people willing to go into politics now.
We’d vote for Jed Bartlett, Harrison Ford air force one, bill Pullman Independence Day, and 24 David Palmer. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
They did such an insane job building up a horror show for season 3.
And it was relatively painless and didn’t seem to affect the election at all. 😆
i think thats because they started a lot of RMS awareness programs to educate the public about his condition plus he was honest about it must have swayed the public opinion
That and we saw that Bartlett won on the grounds of being an intellectual
I'd give just about anything to have that kind of intelligence and integrity in the White House now
I think you have to go back a couple of hundred years (at least) to find that kind of integrity in elected office. There certainly hasn't been much in MY lifetime.
TV president is easy, ur scripted. U don't have to deal with actual voters or there problems
@@prospero4183 no kidding, TV president is easier than the real thing, imagine that. Most of the public remarks of the president ARE written for him, and if you hand him a speech he does a good job with it. As an actor he can PRETEND to be good, which is more than the current guy.
Anton Bruce nah just go back to Jimmy Carter.
chevin0 I visit WW clips every now & then to remember that honour & dignity is what we need right about now
I always thought they should have had Charlie call or refer to Jed as Dad - just in a brief, passing moment.
Bartlet: My youngest daughter has a big mouth.
Charlie: Yes she does but what does that have to do with your MS?
The last five episodes of season two could be a film of its own.
There are two ways to earn loyalty. Power & fear or power & love; and fear fades.
Fear never earns loyalty. It breeds obedience and resentment.
They should re-do West Wing with Charlie having graduated from law school, having run for and won Senator and then running for (and winning the Presidency), with flash backs.
I wonder over the decades how many people in positions of power have had the opposite conversation with their employees.?
“If you lie because you can’t stand what’s happening to me and the people making it happen...”
See, I would definitely lie for that reason knowing how Republicans would react. 😁
Contrast this with "I need you to find me votes"
A wonderful scene of honesty, decency and loyalty....but in today's world....not realistic.
Charlie definitely marries Zoey, you can tell in the flash forward in Season 7!
Imagine trump having this conversation with Jared.
I tried and failed miserably
It hurt my brain trying
That would never happen in anybody lifetime!
Eventually he graduated from Harvard Law and eventually started working with one bad ass lawyer named Harvey Specter.
ThankYou Alli K!
Charlie's character would have been a great spin off .
I'm psyched Dule Hill didn't
This was between Bartlett and Charlie, not the President and his aide. He's telling Charlie to keep the integrity of the office true.
Timely.
To all the cynical folks here saying in a variety of ways that honesty hasn’t ever existed in the Whitehouse, let me just remind you all that in a democratic-republic such as ours, we get the government we deserve; we get the government that most accurately reflects us.
Contrary to the opinions expressed here, there are in fact, some very good and decent people who serve in public office. Perhaps when they tell you uncomfortable truths that you NEED to hear, you shouldn’t drive them out of office in favor of those people who tell you what you WANT to hear.
The Father of Daughters had one Son. His name was Charlie.
Charlie seems genuinely sad here. Like his own family is being hurt.
I wishMr Sorkin would reconsider his vow not to write for TV again. I think that a series set in the present centered around Charlie as a successful lawyer working in a political job could be a very interesting and entertaining series with a lot to say about today’s political environment.
I don't think he'd want the hassle anymore.
I would love to see this revamped with Sam as President. It was kind of promised in the Chess episode.
To cute...
WOW !!
Gee, why do you think people loved that man so very much?
Why law school, maybe he wants to be a doctor or engineer or tech CEO
president "my daughter has got a big mouth"
dude dating his daughter "No she doesn't sir"
out of context material there :)
Bartlett: "If you lie to protect me - if you lie just once ... you're finished with me, you understand?"
In the Trump White House remake of WW:
DJT: "If you tell the truth, if you say even ONE words against me, you and I are through, do you understand?"
Remake shit that's real life. :(
Loyalty to truth over loyalty to me. WTF
This is so refreshing it makes me cry. God what a mess this country has become.
The exact opposite instructions being given by Trump right now...
Right...as I am sure you are close with the POTUS and you have worked with him for years to know this....? Or is this just an assumption...that oh look....6 months later and it has been proven, AGAIN, there was no lying or shenanigans....I love to read these old posts made by folks...... PFM.....
and still opposite instructions being given by Trump right now... and even those who have covered him.. there is no loyalty in return.. IT's all about him..
this is a wonderful TV series loaded with great moments, great actors and writing.... how sad it must be to consistently equate real life to an old TV series...I hope you find peace saltydog as the Nation grows...
gyleake: Please save your platitudes of false sympathies for a better ear.. The thing is that we oft forget TV does mirror real life... good, bad and ugly... and we have plenty of ugly right now in our nation.. real and mirrored facing right at us... And the fact that this series mirrored great presidents.. with dents in their armor.. character flaws.. but who truly embodied sympathy and more importantly were able to express empathy with everyday people, is lost on most people today. Ever heard Martin Sheen's take on the WW president? He feels it is a mesh of Kennedy, Carter and Clinton... People who actually tried to do good things for people.. not corporations... And they did not go unscathed for their actions... Remember... our present President is the one caught up with reality-non reality TV... And no, I don't find peace in this nation today for we are being led into oblivion.. The country my father, grandfather and others before him fought for... This is not it...
It is a TV show and has absolutely nothing to do with current POTUS. I was being sarcastic vs "false platitudes"... It is funny to me how many of you folks clamor and bitch about the POTUS about things you perceive, yet not a single person who works with the POTUS ever say anything to substantiate these accusations....racism, selfish, etc etc. I would never invite Mr Trump to a B-B-Q but I want him to succeed as POTUS. Wanting the POTUS to fail is like wanting your pilot to fail.....I want to see America great again....if you don't then take your salty ass elsewhere.
Charlie was the son the President always wanted!!!
You know, while I acknowledge the great writing, I always felt like Charlie didn't deserve this. "If you lie, you're finished with me". I mean, Charlie had never lied. Why couldn't the President have conveyed the information in a more caring fashion, telling him it was critical that he never lie, no matter what happened.
He's just having to strongly impress upon him the stakes, that's all. It wasn't threatening, just statement of fact.
This is how a father speaks to a son, a uncle to a nephew or best friend to his best friend. Love, admiration and mutual respect is understood and need not be spoken of. This was a great example of straight talk no chaser. It’s what men do when speaking to other men we love about serious matters.
Frank Underwood would have manipulated Charlie to lie.
Well,
I could depart on Friday
However,...
I do have a doctor's appointment on Tuesday.
I could skip it though.
"If you lie for me, youre finished with me, you understood?"
"Sir, I'm afraid you've greatly overestimated my feelings for you. With you gone it will be so much easier to date your daughter"
Can anyone imagine Trump ever saying this...
I can imagine it. I can also imagine unicorns, healthy chocolate cake and world peace.
@@keithcraig506 well I've had "healthy" chocolate cake... But gods I wish I didn't...
Literally no. I can't even imagine him getting these lines out as an actor in a play, let alone that he could say and mean them in context.
Why law school?
He wants him to be President some day. He tells him don't ever lie to protect him for his future in politics.
If you ever, ever tell the truth - just once, just a little... if you EVER EVER tell the truth, you are finished with me!
what happened in this episode
Did you used to live in Baton Rouge, LA?
The president is slowly revealing to his staff that he has MS, and has to talk to lawyers to determine how he should reveal it publicly. Charlie pieces together some information and figures it out first.
Trump would have said" IF YOU DO NOT LIE FOR ME WE'RE FINISHED"🤣🤣🤣
West Wing never was a plausible portrayal of politicians, as altruism doesn’t exist in the political world.
What made it believable at the time was most of the public still had the wool over their eyes and were in the dream where the government worked for them.
The reality has always been power for power’s sake and the public is just there to fund it.
But society did it to themselves by allowing politics to be a viable career path instead of a necessary evil.
Trump : You better Lie for me, cause I expect nothing but Loyalty.